Midfield_General Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 47 minutes ago, gio1saints said: No No offence @Midfield_General but you previously thought my suggestion to play him was not the way to go. Now you agree he should be involved because he’s our best right side player. Which is it? No offence taken. Play him because it will give us a better chance of beating Ipswich on Saturday, because he’s our best player in that position, and even if he has an average game he’s probably more effective than Adam Armstrong or whoever. Not because if he plays he’ll definitely show the world he’s a super duper £45m player and it will make Everton or whoever come running to sign him. Being the best right wing option for a championship team doesn’t necessarily make you a £45m player. It just makes you the best we have available. Edited August 14 by Midfield_General 3
Midfield_General Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Chez said: fair enough, but the alternative view is that we possibly have a superstar at the club, who showed exactly that in the first half of the season and you don't sell them for buttons, even if they didn't show it the entire season, and even if the lad won't commit to a new contract at this point in time. As for the negotiations, who knows if it is true that we have gone back to Everton. Might be total bullshit. For all we know Everton have come back with several new bids this week. When a big move is in the offing, so much bollocks is written. Think back to the Lavia move and there were journalists suggesting deals had been agreed at various points at all kinds of prices. Yep. All true. Stating the obvious, but what it comes down to is what people value him at based on what he’s shown and what they think his potential is, and everyone is going to have different opinions on that. Personally I don’t think an offer of £35m + £8m + some sort of sell-on is buttons for him given he’s not signing a new contract, and if we need to sell him to buy as appears to be the case then personally I would probably have taken that rather than gamble on getting a few million more but also possibly seeing his value drop if we don’t sell him this window. But I don’t run the club and as a fan I’m not close enough to it, and others may disagree and think he’s worth more, or the gamble was the right one, and of course that’s fine too. The club obviously thought they could get more, either by pushing Everton up further or because they thought there was other genuine interest that would mean more of a bidding war. They may still be right. The truth is we won’t know until the end of the window. Interesting to see how it plays out. Edited August 14 by Midfield_General 4
John B Posted August 14 Posted August 14 5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Yep. All true. Stating the obvious, but what it comes down to is what people value him at based on what he’s shown and what they think his potential is, and everyone is going to have different opinions on that. Personally I don’t think an offer of £35m + £8m + some sort of sell-on is buttons for him given he’s not signing a new contract, and if we need to sell him to buy as appears to be the case then personally I would probably have taken that rather than gamble on getting a few million more but also possibly seeing his value drop if we don’t sell him this window. But I don’t run the club and as a fan I’m not close enough to it, and others may disagree and think he’s worth more, or the gamble was the right one, and of course that’s fine too. The club obviously thought they could get more, either by pushing Everton up further or because they thought there was other genuine interest that would mean more of a bidding war. They may still be right. The truth is we won’t know until the end of the window. Interesting to see how it plays out. Personally I too don’t think an offer of £35m + £8m + some sort of sell-on is buttons for him given that he has only 2 PL gpals and 2 U21 Caps
Turkish Posted August 14 Posted August 14 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I know it won't happen but if we managed to get them on at the same time: Thb Downes Charles Dibling Fernandes Is a frankly ridiculous bunch of players in the championship and arguably superior to last year. 99 rated bro
egg Posted August 14 Posted August 14 3 hours ago, gio1saints said: Completely fair and valid alternate proposal. 🙏. Personally, I think Ipswich would be more frightened if he played than if he was kept away. Personally I think our team for Ipswich - and everything about the situation from a Saints pov - is better for him being at worst on bench than left at home. I - and most fans I suspect t would love to see a team that has Tyler, JR and Mateus all playing at same time against a top opponent- which Ipswich away certainly is. I don't want us to play someone who doesn't want to be here, and the version of Dibling who showed up for the latter part of last season isn't scaring anyone. 2
OldNick Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, gio1saints said: Completely fair and valid alternate proposal. 🙏. Personally, I think Ipswich would be more frightened if he played than if he was kept away. Personally I think our team for Ipswich - and everything about the situation from a Saints pov - is better for him being at worst on bench than left at home. I - and most fans I suspect t would love to see a team that has Tyler, JR and Mateus all playing at same time against a top opponent- which Ipswich away certainly is. Personally I wouldnt play him as TD may not do himself justice or get injured. No doubt the Ipswich players may target him so that he cant be sold to strengthen us this season. Edited August 14 by OldNick
Willo of Whiteley Posted August 14 Posted August 14 I didn’t see him in the latest training video, guessing he’s still training elsewhere
Matthew Le God Posted August 14 Posted August 14 6 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: I didn’t see him in the latest training video, guessing he’s still training elsewhere Looks like he may have been hiding in the background. Back in training! 😇 2
Charlie Wayman Posted August 14 Posted August 14 9 hours ago, egg said: I don't want us to play someone who doesn't want to be here, and the version of Dibling who showed up for the latter part of last season isn't scaring anyone. Agree and let's not forget Jay Robinson is waiting in the wings and arguably is a better prospect 1
saintant Posted August 14 Posted August 14 45 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Looks like he may have been hiding in the background. Back in training! 😇 I guess we might see him on the bench on Sunday but more likely he'll be left out of the squad this week.
Coastal Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. 8 1
hypochondriac Posted August 14 Posted August 14 (edited) Just now, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. Holding him to ransom fuck off you can't be serious. Edited August 14 by hypochondriac 11
Saint Scott Posted August 14 Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. Are you a toffee in disguise? 3
Tommy Mulgrew Posted August 14 Posted August 14 5 minutes ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. 2 minutes ago, Coastal said: The one player we cannot afford to lose this summer in my opinion. Go back to your old dugout. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. yeah, calm down pal
steve green Posted August 14 Posted August 14 10 minutes ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. Possibly the only time dream move and Everton have been included in the same sentence, unless from also featured. 1 3
tdmickey3 Posted August 15 Posted August 15 9 hours ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market.
gio1saints Posted August 15 Posted August 15 (edited) We sing a song for Mateus. Deservedly our most applauded player. MAYBE, at Ipswich, Saints fans can show Tyler he IS wanted as a Saints player. By the fans if not seemingly as by the Club. He may be mentally gone already - BUT if there was still a chance or any doubt about his departure ( which there probably is not so this is a Hail Mary idea), loud support for the lad, from the terraces, might influence both him and SR. Saint sold excellent exciting to watch young players like Alan Shearer, Gareth Bale, Oxlade Chamberlin, Luke Shaw, Theo Walcott and Sadio Mane in the past before we really appreciated the nascent quality they had. I’d be happy to watch teenager Tyler play just this season and let him join a bigger club next year just selfishly to watch that extra special generational quality he has- in a Saints shirt. NB . I’m not interested in the money. I’m interested in watching potential world class talent we have play at our club before I only get to see him playing on the TV in the CL for a big club in a few years time. Edited August 15 by gio1saints 2
trousers Posted August 15 Posted August 15 10 hours ago, Coastal said: Being selfish I would like to keep him for another season as I think he has the potential to develop into a top top player. On the other hand, I do think we are pricing him out of a dream move to Everton and are holding him somewhat to ransom. After the 2nd half of last season, I dont think he is the type to get his head down and work hard if he isnt 100% commited. For that reason I would snatch Evertons £35m offer and reinvest the cash in 2-3 solid signings to help us get back up. Free the boy and then back the manager in the market. Good morning Tyler. Welcome to the forum 👍
Saint NL Posted August 15 Posted August 15 10 hours ago, steve green said: Possibly the only time dream move and Everton have been included in the same sentence, unless from also featured. Grealish looked asleep during the signing. Did they drug him and the guy is holding him up 'Weekend at Bernies' style? Tyler, whatever you do, don't accept any Haribo from David Moyes 👀
Coastal Posted August 15 Posted August 15 8 hours ago, trousers said: Still is making a rod for his own back here. Dibbers wants to leave and we need a couple more signings. Take the money and bring in players that will be fighting for the cause over the full season not just half of it. 1
Matthew Le God Posted August 15 Posted August 15 16 minutes ago, Coastal said: Still is making a rod for his own back here. Dibbers wants to leave and we need a couple more signings. Take the money and bring in players that will be fighting for the cause over the full season not just half of it. Do you think he'd refuse to play after the window closes? It is a struggle to find players who do that.
coalman Posted August 16 Posted August 16 20 hours ago, Saint NL said: Grealish looked asleep during the signing. Did they drug him and the guy is holding him up 'Weekend at Bernies' style? Tyler, whatever you do, don't accept any Haribo from David Moyes 👀 Blink twice if they're holding you against your will, Jack. Jack? Jack?
Crab Lungs Posted August 16 Posted August 16 Spertysan and Rudoni or Dibling? I know what I’d choose, if it were a choice.
Harry_SFC Posted August 16 Posted August 16 46 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said: Spertysan and Rudoni or Dibling? I know what I’d choose, if it were a choice. You'd have £20-25m left over too. 1
Chez Posted August 16 Posted August 16 52 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said: Spertysan and Rudoni or Dibling? I know what I’d choose, if it were a choice. What would you choose?
Weston Super Saint Posted August 16 Posted August 16 9 hours ago, Coastal said: Still is making a rod for his own back here. Dibbers wants to leave Source?
gio1saints Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Crab Lungs said: Spertysan and Rudoni or Dibling? I know what I’d choose, if it were a choice. 👋 @Crab Lungs Sperstyan and Rudoni seem good footballers in positions we are weak in. Dibling on the other hand, is the closest thing to MLT I’ve ever seen for Saints. Objectively, what he probably needs - and sadly it’s been ever thus for Saints - is to be surrounded by better players, in a better team, and in a better league. He will get kicked the shit out of this season for sure playing Championship. Do that in the EPL and VAR will get players sent off. Do it in the championship he will just get injured. Every logical thought says he’s going and he is right to go. It’s not if he’s going it’s simply how much. It will dismay sentimentalists like me but that’s the state of this shitty game nowadays. There’s no more heroes nor can there be - only transients that wear the shirt for a season or two then depart. 3
Coastal Posted August 17 Posted August 17 On 16/08/2025 at 07:40, Weston Super Saint said: Source? Thrown the towel in 2nd half of last season & looked like he couldn't be arsed today. The board are gambling with our promotion hopes keeping him around the place. Do the ethical thing and let the boy leave to bigger things whilst we bring in players who actually want to be here and fight for the club and fans. 7
maysie Posted August 17 Posted August 17 Just now, Coastal said: Thrown the towel in 2nd half of last season & looked like he couldn't be arsed today. The board are gambling with our promotion hopes keeping him around the place. Do the ethical thing and let the boy leave to bigger things whilst we bring in players who actually want to be here and fight for the club and fans. Couldn’t be arsed… didn’t see that tbh
S-Clarke Posted August 17 Posted August 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, maysie said: Couldn’t be arsed… didn’t see that tbh I saw a young kid bogged down in one of the worst PL teams in history. Anyone would drop off. I think people look at him and say he can't be arsed because has a a bit of a Richarlison look about him - i.e. he never smiles, and just glides around. But that's his game. Obviously when a team is struggling that is heightened and it looks like he can't be arsed, but it's just the style of player he is. I feel some re-writing of history going on by saying we'd be better without him. We wouldn't. Edited August 17 by S-Clarke 4
hypochondriac Posted August 17 Posted August 17 12 minutes ago, Coastal said: Thrown the towel in 2nd half of last season & looked like he couldn't be arsed today. The board are gambling with our promotion hopes keeping him around the place. Do the ethical thing and let the boy leave to bigger things whilst we bring in players who actually want to be here and fight for the club and fans. Ethical you melt. You're a toffee. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Coastal said: Thrown the towel in 2nd half of last season & looked like he couldn't be arsed today. The board are gambling with our promotion hopes keeping him around the place. Do the ethical thing and let the boy leave to bigger things whilst we bring in players who actually want to be here and fight for the club and fans. So no actual 'source' then, just your conjecture. If he's that shit, why do you toffees want to spend anything on him? Why not wait until the end of next season and pick him up for free? 1 1
capitalsaint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Coastal said: Thrown the towel in 2nd half of last season & looked like he couldn't be arsed today. The board are gambling with our promotion hopes keeping him around the place. Do the ethical thing and let the boy leave to bigger things whilst we bring in players who actually want to be here and fight for the club and fans. You aren’t very good at this. 1
egg Posted August 17 Posted August 17 3 minutes ago, capitalsaint said: You aren’t very good at this. I dunno, he's right. The kid did throw the towel in, and doesn't seem to want to be here. What has he posted that's wrong? 1
Weston Super Saint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 4 minutes ago, egg said: I dunno, he's right. The kid did throw the towel in, and doesn't seem to want to be here. What has he posted that's wrong? If he didn't want to be here he would have handed in a transfer request. Financially that can only affect him positively by getting a bigger wage elsewhere as I doubt he has any contract terms that will cost him money on his current one.
capitalsaint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 9 minutes ago, egg said: I dunno, he's right. The kid did throw the towel in, and doesn't seem to want to be here. What has he posted that's wrong? How many Saints fans do you know who think the club is asking for too much money for our players? Actually, how many fans of any club would normally take that position? Maybe I’m wrong and that Everton really is a dream move for Dibling…
macca155 Posted August 17 Posted August 17 He came on for 10 minutes, and was immediately surrounded by three defenders, he was hardly going to have much of an opportunity today, but still nice to see him on the pitch. Defenders are very uncomfortable around him, as he is unpredictable. Certainly a mercurial talent. It's all potential and it remains to be seen whether he becomes the player we all want him to be. As Gio says, the horrible uncomfortable truth is that he needs better players around him, and crucially protection from the ref. Lots of ifs in Tyler's world at the moment. I suspect we'll see a different player once things settle down. 2
Ken Tone Posted August 17 Posted August 17 6 minutes ago, capitalsaint said: How many Saints fans do you know who think the club is asking for too much money for our players? Actually, how many fans of any club would normally take that position? Maybe I’m wrong and that Everton really is a dream move for Dibling… The difference between a dream and a nightmare can be quite small 😉
Chez Posted August 17 Posted August 17 Looked sharp when he came on. Still wouldn't have put him on the pitch if he hadn't trained well. Is be very happy to see him start the next game. I am pretty sure Everton will come back with another offer before the window closes. 3
egg Posted August 17 Posted August 17 (edited) 30 minutes ago, capitalsaint said: How many Saints fans do you know who think the club is asking for too much money for our players? Actually, how many fans of any club would normally take that position? Maybe I’m wrong and that Everton really is a dream move for Dibling… I don't give a monkeys what some delusional fans hope he's worth. I prefer to look at his real world valuation. He's 19. He showed promise in the first half of last season. He went to sleep in the second. He seemingly doesn't want to be here. His contract is running down. The £50-60m that some fans think he's work is big club money. What big club do you say need him and would play him? I can't think of one. That leaves clubs outside the big clubs. Everton are one of them. He has a long career and can hopefully fulfill his promise. He has much more chance of doing that at a club who'll play him. No? Everton would be a cracking move for him. A decent manager. No real chance of relegation. Playing opportunities. More wages. 2 or 3 good seasons there, then he's a £50-60m player for a big club. Edited August 17 by egg 4
bangkoksaint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 Jacob Ramsey a 24 year old proven PL player with around 150 appearances has just gone for £40M. I get it that TD has lots of promise but my god have we seen much of it in his fledgling career. He may be a £100M player one day but in our situation and at around £35-£40M or whatever it was I’d take it. Everything is a gamble and who knows who’ll be right come May next year 3
Chez Posted August 17 Posted August 17 (edited) 15 minutes ago, egg said: I don't give a monkeys what some delusional fans hope he's worth. I prefer to look at his real world valuation. He's 19. He showed promise in the first half of last season. He went to sleep in the second. He seemingly doesn't want to be here. His contract is running down. The £50-60m that some fans think he's work is big club money. What big club do you say need him and would play him? I can't think of one. That leaves clubs outside the big clubs. Everton are one of them. He has a long career and can hopefully fulfill his promise. He has muck more chance of doing that at a club who'll play him. No? Everton would be a cracking move for him. A decent manager. No real chance of relegation. Playing opportunities. More wages. 2 or 3 good seasons there, then he's a £50-60m player for a big club. What's his real world value? Who gives a fuck if Everton is a good destination. All that matters is how much money a buying club offers. Edited August 17 by Chez 3
Chez Posted August 17 Posted August 17 11 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said: Jacob Ramsey a 24 year old proven PL player with around 150 appearances has just gone for £40M. I get it that TD has lots of promise but my god have we seen much of it in his fledgling career. He may be a £100M player one day but in our situation and at around £35-£40M or whatever it was I’d take it. Everything is a gamble and who knows who’ll be right come May next year Do you think Ramsey will be a £100m player one day? 1
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted August 17 Posted August 17 57 minutes ago, Chez said: Looked sharp when he came on. Still wouldn't have put him on the pitch if he hadn't trained well. Is be very happy to see him start the next game. I am pretty sure Everton will come back with another offer before the window closes. He got quite a muted response when he came on today. He's definitely divided opinion. He was pretty much closed down by a couple of defenders as soon as the ball went to him today. I'd like him to start against Stoke because if they do that, it'll create space for others. 1
Coastal Posted August 17 Posted August 17 56 minutes ago, egg said: I don't give a monkeys what some delusional fans hope he's worth. I prefer to look at his real world valuation. He's 19. He showed promise in the first half of last season. He went to sleep in the second. He seemingly doesn't want to be here. His contract is running down. The £50-60m that some fans think he's work is big club money. What big club do you say need him and would play him? I can't think of one. That leaves clubs outside the big clubs. Everton are one of them. He has a long career and can hopefully fulfill his promise. He has much more chance of doing that at a club who'll play him. No? Everton would be a cracking move for him. A decent manager. No real chance of relegation. Playing opportunities. More wages. 2 or 3 good seasons there, then he's a £50-60m player for a big club. Excellent and thought provoking post pal. Dibbers is simply not worth the fee our board are holding him ransom for and we run the risk of losing him on the cheap next summer which is barking mad. We should have snatched Everton's hands at £35m with add ons and put a sell on clause in for good measure. That kind of cash could help us bring in 3 good signings to push us on this season. The squad needs bolstering yet some fans want us to hold onto a lad who didnt want to know 2nd half of last season when the going got tough. 1 2
saintant Posted Sunday at 19:46 Posted Sunday at 19:46 3 hours ago, Chez said: Looked sharp when he came on. Still wouldn't have put him on the pitch if he hadn't trained well. Is be very happy to see him start the next game. I am pretty sure Everton will come back with another offer before the window closes. Not sure they will - I think that ship has sailed.
Chez Posted Sunday at 19:54 Posted Sunday at 19:54 2 hours ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: He got quite a muted response when he came on today. He's definitely divided opinion. He was pretty much closed down by a couple of defenders as soon as the ball went to him today. I'd like him to start against Stoke because if they do that, it'll create space for others. Not surprising. Some are disappointed he hasn't signed a new contract, some think he is pushing for the move and even though many understand this is just football business, it's hard to think lik that when you have travelled to support the side. I absolutely love watching him in a Saints shirt. He's a rare talent.
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