Tyler Dibling

[Saint Fan CaM]

Meh - bye…thanks for the £££…hope that mean’s Fernandes stays.

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint Fan CaM

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

Picture Diblings first day at his new school.

"Hello Tyler, these are your classmates"

"Jack will be your buddy"

At breaktime Jack takes Dibling behind the bike shed.

"Right you little prick, pull those fucking socks up! Have a swig of the Vodka and a fag, and always have my boots, jockstrap and my arse hand cleaned. Got it?"

" Now fuck off!"

[maysie]

11 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Now there’s a superhero I hadn’t heard of before. What does he do?

He scours the internet looking for people to correct and/or start dull grammar based arguments with.

if proved incorrect will disappear without a trace.

I don’t think they’re going to do the movie.

[Saint86]

Will be interesting to see how he gets on with grealish for a year. Similar aspects to his game and certainly a players he's partly modelled himself on.

Hope he does alright at Everton - at the end of the day it's both good for saints financially, and for the attractiveness and reputation of the academy, if he does well. But equally we've done pretty good out of that sale - especially if we keep MF and can buy a couple of key players to strengthen.

[Dusic]

Looks a good fee on paper but in reality he won't be worth less again until he is in his mid 30s and most of the cash will just go on bridging the gap in TV revenue.

Hugely talented player - in a year that could look like a great deal for Everton.

From our side we had no choice because we got relegated and need to raise cash to plug 100m shortfall which is why Fernandes will also go once offers are upped.

Edited 4 hours ago by Dusic

[AlexLaw76]

9 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Looks a good fee on paper but in reality he won't be worth less again until he is in his mid 30s and most of the cash will just go on bridging the gap in TV revenue.

Hugely talented player - in a year that could look like a great deal for Everton.

From our side we had no choice because we got relegated and need to raise cash to plug 100m shortfall which is why Fernandes will also go once offers are upped.

Like when we sold JwP, we will probably soften our stance on Fernandes right at the end of the window, and he will go.

we need to sign a bit of championship star quality, to be honest

[SWLondon Saint]

15 minutes ago, Dusic said:

From our side we had no choice because we got relegated and need to raise cash to plug 100m shortfall which is why Fernandes will also go once offers are upped.

Pretty sure there is no 100m shortfall this time, unlike previously everyone will now be on much reduced wages, and with the sale of Dibling we'll be up to around 80m in sales already.

Fernandes may well go anyway, but it won't be because we're desperate for cash. Sporting Lisbon usually put massive sell-on clauses in anyway so it would help a lot less.

[Dusic]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Like when we sold JwP, we will probably soften our stance on Fernandes right at the end of the window, and he will go.

we need to sign a bit of championship star quality, to be honest

Agree - the Spertsyan situation is fruatrating because he obviously wants to join and Still clearly wants him as top target having also been in for him at Lens. Seems (and always has) highly unlikely, but he does look like someone who would be a gamechanger in our team.

[pimpin4rizeal]

It’s a horrible reflection of todays football When a youth player we raised from a child acts in the way he has .. you could argue he was lucky to get the amount of starts he did last season when he hardly featured at all in the championship.

all we really got from him was half a season as he pretty much downed tools after martin left . In that short space of half a season he’s decided he’s too good for us, refused to sign a new contract weakening our bargaining position and it seems sulked his way into the Everton move .. really classy from someone who was sung about as one of our own 

Edited 3 hours ago by pimpin4rizeal

[Harry_SFC]

15 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s a horrible reflection of todays football When a youth player we raised from a child acts in the way he has .. you could argue he was lucky to get the amount of starts he did last season when he hardly featured at all in the championship.

all we really got from him was half a season as he pretty much downed tools after martin left . In that short space of half a season he’s decided he’s too good for us, refused to sign a new contract weakening our bargaining position and it seems sulked his way into the Everton move .. really classy from someone who was sung about as one of our own 

I must admit it doesn't really feel like him leaving has really weakened us in the sense that he hasn't shown up since December. Even before that, he was a bit inconsistent (to be expected at that age).

However if Fernandes goes, it leaves a huge hole. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[Little Lat Pahars]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

Looks a good fee on paper but in reality he won't be worth less again until he is in his mid 30s and most of the cash will just go on bridging the gap in TV revenue.

Hugely talented player - in a year that could look like a great deal for Everton.

From our side we had no choice because we got relegated and need to raise cash to plug 100m shortfall which is why Fernandes will also go once offers are upped.

Fully agree and our hands were tied with the contract situation aswell. It's one of the ones where we got a very good few fee in the circumstances but it could look like a bargain to Everton in a few years time.

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

I must admit it doesn't really feel like him leaving has really weakened us in the sense that he hasn't shown up since December. 

Yup I would say he flatters to deceive too he was good running with the ball and dribbling early in the season but very little end product really and his goals where tap ins too .. think he had no better G/A stats then sulemana did and sulemana  played half the amount of Tyler ..

what irritates me with him is he just seems to have to have instantly got all billy big bollocks on us and thought he was too good for us .. I’m sure we tried to offer him s new deal in the premiership but his head god turned that he was better for us in just half a season or less 

 

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Yup I would say he flatters to deceive too he was good running with the ball and dribbling early in the season but very little end product really and his goals where tap ins too .. think he had no better G/A stats then sulemana did and sulemana  played half the amount of Tyler ..

what irritates me with him is he just seems to have to have instantly got all billy big bollocks on us and thought he was too good for us .. I’m sure we tried to offer him s new deal in the premiership but his head god turned that he was better for us in just half a season or less 

 

He struggled as a teenage debutant playing in the second worst team in the history of the PL but undoubtedly has talent. Now he's leaving to play in a better team, no doubt for a pretty substantial pay rise. I've seen absolutely nothing about him to suggest that he is acting 'billy big bollocks'.

There's nothing to get all precious about here, he's leaving because he has potential far above Championship level, as we always knew he would. He's no different to Walcott, Bale, AOC, Lavia, Livramento and Kenwyne, although the latter was an absolute helmet, granted. 

[CB Fry]

I get the feeling that our sell-on clause will never be troubled. I don't think Everton will ever make a profit on him.

[Midfield_General]

7 minutes ago, Little Lat Pahars said:

Fully agree and our hands were tied with the contract situation aswell. It's one of the ones where we got a very good few fee in the circumstances but it could look like a bargain to Everton in a few years time.

Yeah the contract is the main reason. As soon as it was clear he wasn't going to sign it was obvious the club wanted him gone this window, as he would start to depreciate after that and it would have made no sense at all for a club like ours to allow that. 

I think Spors knew / decided this as soon as he came into the club. One of his key beliefs is that you create the market for your players, i.e. set the narrative early as to what they are worth, and then the market will follow. Sure enough, soon after he joined we started getting the statements out of the club that Dibling was a £100m player. He knew straightaway that he would be off, so he started the game early, getting a conversation out there about his sky-high perceived value so that when the window came around that perception had already been in place for a while. Then perception becomes reality.

No-one ever thought we'd get £100m, or that he was worth anywhere near that, but with that headline figure floating about it meant that it was easier to make potential buyers believe that offers of £40m+ actually represented some sort of bargain. 

[macca155]

It's a good deal all round really. Decent cash for Saints, bags of potential for Everton, but they've work to do there.

Good move for Tyler, he won't be kicked into oblivion, and Moyes is as well placed as anyone to develop him.

Good luck to him.

[AlexLaw76]

 An anyone enlighten us where he has acted like a spoilt brat, billy big bollocks, or anything like that?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Will believe he’s gone to Everton when I see it on the OS. I thought Still said he was available for selection this weekend - perhaps he’ll use the opportunity to come in in the 88th minutes to wave goodbye? Perhaps he’ll get injured by a burly Stoke slugger and the transfer put into doubt?

If it comes into being then I’m pleased that it’s Everton who have had their pants pulled down. I mean - £45m + on a nipper that’s got some tricks, but has hardly played like a £45m player for us. He will go with my blessing and sigh of relief that it’s over. I’m sure many of us will be watching his ‘development’ closely.

[pimpin4rizeal]

37 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He struggled as a teenage debutant playing in the second worst team in the history of the PL but undoubtedly has talent. Now he's leaving to play in a better team, no doubt for a pretty substantial pay rise. I've seen absolutely nothing about him to suggest that he is acting 'billy big bollocks'.

There's nothing to get all precious about here, he's leaving because he has potential far above Championship level, as we always knew he would. He's no different to Walcott, Bale, AOC, Lavia, Livramento and Kenwyne, although the latter was an absolute helmet, granted. 

.. after a few premiership games he had started to act billy big Bollocks.. no intention of signing a new contract after getting a bit of hype last year . Moped about downing tools second half of the season and even will still left him out for head not being in the right place ..

hardly humble loyal behaviour is it ?

[Toadhall Saint]

35 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 An anyone enlighten us where he has acted like a spoilt brat, billy big bollocks, or anything like that?

Yeah I’d like to see that - always seemed very shy to me - so none of those traits.

[Lighthouse]

32 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

.. after a few premiership games he had started to act billy big Bollocks.. no intention of signing a new contract after getting a bit of hype last year . Moped about downing tools second half of the season and even will still left him out for head not being in the right place ..

hardly humble loyal behaviour is it ?

Perhaps, when you were 19 years old, you were so mentally head strong that you could perform at your absolute best week after week without exception. Perhaps you were imune to the weight of expectation, the scrutiny of the nation's press and the frustration of 30,000 people watching your every move. Perhaps working in an enviroment where almost everyone else was incompetent would never have affected your performances at all.

All those things might be true, however not all 19 year olds necessarily have the same levels of mental resolve that you clearly did. Furthermore, he is under no more obligation to sign a contract with any club than I am to renew mine with Virgin sodding Media.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 An anyone enlighten us where he has acted like a spoilt brat, billy big bollocks, or anything like that?

Anyone? Anyone at all?

People are just saying he is a bit of this just to mentally process him leaving

[terraloon]

1 hour ago, Little Lat Pahars said:

Fully agree and our hands were tied with the contract situation aswell. It's one of the ones where we got a very good few fee in the circumstances but it could look like a bargain to Everton in a few years time.

When he returned from his brief adventure at Chelsea someone close to the academy hinted that part of the agreement was a% of any future transfer profit. Anyone else any idea if this is correct 

[SNSUN]

12 hours ago, maysie said:

😂😂 had no idea who Danny Mountain was so had to looks it up

Ah, probably a bit late to tag NSFW for anyone who hadn't heard of him. Or his ex.

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Anyone? Anyone at all?

People are just saying he is a bit of this just to mentally process him leaving

All I've seen is a load of bollocks about "he's been badly advised" when would you believe it, the advice they wanted him to take was to stay at Saints. The club they support.

Edited 54 minutes ago by CB Fry

[Little Lat Pahars]

4 minutes ago, terraloon said:

When he returned from his brief adventure at Chelsea someone close to the academy hinted that part of the agreement was a% of any future transfer profit. Anyone else any idea if this is correct 

I don't believe they can have one. I cant remember where I read/heard this but he was too young for it to be a transfer as he would have been too young to have a professional contract and a tribunal wouldn't award Chelsea anything because they only trained him for a few months.

 

[skintsaint]

Glad this circus coming to an end. Thanks for the wad of cash Everton.

Probably fail the medical now....

[Challenger]

Huge gamble for Everton to buy him, huge gamble for us to have kept him.

[egg]

27 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

All I've seen is a load of bollocks about "he's been badly advised" when would you believe it, the advice they wanted him to take was to stay at Saints. The club they support.

Yep. Bad advice would be to move to a PL who wouldn't play him. Good advice is to move to a PL club who will. Even worse advice would be to stay in the championship. 

[terraloon]

12 minutes ago, Little Lat Pahars said:

I don't believe they can have one. I cant remember where I read/heard this but he was too young for it to be a transfer as he would have been too young to have a professional contract and a tribunal wouldn't award Chelsea anything because they only trained him for a few months.

 

There was a far reaching ruling at CAS in 2019 dealing with the status of 16-18 year olds.

In effect if he was paid a wage ( defined more than just day to day expenses) then he would be classified as a professional.

Yes that ruling was all to do with training compensation but the key point was that players in clouded in scholarship agreements are professionals.

When he went to Chelsea the clubs agreed a fee of circa £1.5 m. If as I suspect he received more than just expenses under the Chelsea agreement then he would be considered as a professional.

Lets not mix up the agreements he had with the agreement , whatever that was between Chelsea and Southampton indeed the vast bulk of agreements where scholars move voluntarily aren’t considered by tribunal they are settled between the two clubs.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Young players need a bit of stability & have decent senior pros around them. He played for 3 different managers in the second worse team to grace the premier league & people wonder why his form dropped off a cliff. If he was my lad I’d want him playing for Davie Moyes for a bigger club in a brand new stadium. Fucking hell, if his agents advice was to stay put, I’d have sacked him. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I get the feeling that our sell-on clause will never be troubled. I don't think Everton will ever make a profit on him.

They'll make sure that they don't. 

[egg]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Young players need a bit of stability & have decent senior pros around them. He played for 3 different managers in the second worse team to grace the premier league & people wonder why his form dropped off a cliff. If he was my lad I’d want him playing for Davie Moyes for a bigger club in a brand new stadium. Fucking hell, if his agents advice was to stay put, I’d have sacked him. 

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[Convict Colony]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

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Cake shell

[egg]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

Cake shell

If a hazelnut is a cake, then yep. 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

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Cobwhelk

[sockeye]

All the best to Tyler. Everton is a good environment for him to develop in, astute manager and exciting times for the club ahead. He has a lot of potential, let’s hope he reaches it. Don’t forget you owe us a Lallana/Walcott style last dance in 15 years

[Toadhall Saint]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

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 Nut sack

[Colinjb]

5 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Don’t forget you owe us a Lallana style last dance in 15 years

No, he really doesn't.