BARCELONASAINT Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I heard something, but don't know exactly what to make of it. (Maybe old news). KWP and Stu did not have relegation clauses in their contracts, so are still on their prem wages, and therefore are considered too expensive to keep. I don't know if this relates to this transfer window or in the event of not making promotion, but the club would like to offload both. I would hope this is old news and that it might have been on the cards during pre-season, we certainly needed to sell to balance the books. However the fees we got for some of our players hopefully meant KWP and Stu remain affordable....for now. Lets face it both are probably amongst our best performing players this season and to lose either at this stage of the season would be disastrous to our hopes of promotion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 43 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Very highly rated at Argyle. They're basically a 3 man team - Azaz, Whittaker, Mumba. Ryan Hardie is also decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Ryan Hardie is also decent He's a poor man's Shane Long (and that's a compliment) What he lacks in technical ability he makes up for in effort. Never stops running but don't think he'd be much use for many other teams in the league. Better for teams who are "up against it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: He's a poor man's Shane Long (and that's a compliment) What he lacks in technical ability he makes up for in effort. Never stops running but don't think he'd be much use for many other teams in the league. Better for teams who are "up against it" Terrible then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 22 minutes ago, BILLY said: Terrible then Let's be honest, Long was a better signing than we thought he would be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 My Argyle supporting mates seem to think Azaz is off to Boro and it's a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dman Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: My Argyle supporting mates seem to think Azaz is off to Boro and it's a done deal. He's defo not coming here. If there is 1 position we do not need, its more central midfielders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: £5m is a relative steal if he can get 6-10 goals in the second half of this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, Dman said: £5m is a relative steal if he can get 6-10 goals in the second half of this season. Can make it work FFP-wise if we sell Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: He’s playing League One equivalent football. Not for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Toussaint said: I heard something, but don't know exactly what to make of it. (Maybe old news). KWP and Stu did not have relegation clauses in their contracts, so are still on their prem wages, and therefore are considered too expensive to keep. I don't know if this relates to this transfer window or in the event of not making promotion, but the club would like to offload both. Interesting. You would think a relegation clause would be an industry standard by now. It's not as though all clubs haven't seen the likes of Rodwell's wages putting a strain on a relegated side's finances. Stu is out of contract in the summer. No one is paying a fee for him or be willing to match his current contract, so he won't be departing in January. If we wanted to offload KWP, I'd of thought we would have done in the summer. Despite relatively little paper talk in the summer, I suspect many clubs would have enquired and been put off by our `high' valuation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 20 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: So this is effectively Aberdeen slapping a price tag on him and if 5M is the opening price then could probably get him for less. Hard to tell - he looked OK in the clips I saw and probably offers more of an aerial threat than we already have. Guess it all depends on what happens with Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Can make it work FFP-wise if we sell Che. Who is buying him? Wolves? Sheff United? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 29 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: He’s playing League One equivalent football. Not for me. So were Van Dyk, Wanyama, Forster and S Armstrong when we brought them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 22 minutes ago, Chez said: Interesting. You would think a relegation clause would be an industry standard by now. It's not as though all clubs haven't seen the likes of Rodwell's wages putting a strain on a relegated side's finances. Stu is out of contract in the summer. No one is paying a fee for him or be willing to match his current contract, so he won't be departing in January. If we wanted to offload KWP, I'd of thought we would have done in the summer. Despite relatively little paper talk in the summer, I suspect many clubs would have enquired and been put off by our `high' valuation. Not sure I believe that. Stu was up for going but we persuaded him to stay in the summer apparently. If his wages were unaffordable then he'd have been out the door. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 38 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Can make it work FFP-wise if we sell Che. Where has this talk of FFP come from? How much did we rake in during the summer transfer window (pretty sure we're still the net spend champions), plus parachute payments etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 25 minutes ago, Chez said: Who is buying him? Wolves? Sheff United? I think Everton were sniffing at one point too. God knows why. Be great if we sold him and invested in someone less shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 01/01/2024 at 17:00, Saint_clark said: Josh Sargent please. Not sure why I'm getting such weird reactions to this. He's genuinely a very good striker. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 45 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Where has this talk of FFP come from? How much did we rake in during the summer transfer window (pretty sure we're still the net spend champions), plus parachute payments etc. A Quick Look at the January 2023 and Summer spend of 2022 would answer that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 51 minutes ago, DT said: I think Everton were sniffing at one point too. God knows why. Be great if we sold him and invested in someone less shit. His middle name is the only reason I can think of as to why on Earth they'd be interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Andrey Santos is available for loan, could be useful when Downes is not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: Andrey Santos is available for loan, could be useful when Downes is not available. He’s very highly rated. Not going to fly with Chelsea to loan him as a backup though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davefizzy14 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Holgate is staying 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, revolution saint said: So this is effectively Aberdeen slapping a price tag on him and if 5M is the opening price then could probably get him for less. Hard to tell - he looked OK in the clips I saw and probably offers more of an aerial threat than we already have. Guess it all depends on what happens with Che. "Eclipse the £5m fee paid for Calvin Ramsay" could mean anything over that amount, and a £5m fee seems cheap if he's going to be any good for us. I'd expect him to cost £8m or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 FFP is the biggest load of bollocks the football suits have given us. I totally understand why we are constrained, due to our massive outlays in 2022 and Jan 2023 - but we've pretty much recouped all of that through sales, so it should provide us some flexibility. It's only 'fair' for the big clubs as they can continue to spend as their commercials will generate their shortfalls, whereas the smaller clubs - which this was supposed to help - end up more constrained than they were previously. Go figure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Ryan Hardie is also decent He scored a worldie aginst us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Chez said: Interesting. You would think a relegation clause would be an industry standard by now. It's not as though all clubs haven't seen the likes of Rodwell's wages putting a strain on a relegated side's finances. I wonder though, if you are trying to bring a player i under competition from other clubs, do you then risk the purchase by putting the clause in? I doubt we expected to be relegated when they signed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 hours ago, Turkish said: OMG Ive been trying to work this riddle out for 4 hours!. Are we signing Jake Daniels from Blackpool, he is much needed forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: Not sure why I'm getting such weird reactions to this. He's genuinely a very good striker. He looks like a player who is good running in behind a high line, but I m not sure how good he would be against 2 deep banks of 4 . Same way that lukaku and Warner never worked at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Toussaint said: I heard something, but don't know exactly what to make of it. (Maybe old news). KWP and Stu did not have relegation clauses in their contracts, so are still on their prem wages, and therefore are considered too expensive to keep. I don't know if this relates to this transfer window or in the event of not making promotion, but the club would like to offload both. As BarcelonaSaint has mentioned. Can well imagine this is old news back when everything was up in the air. Can’t see money is a problem now particularly with our position in the league. I guess if either one of them is pushing for a move and we have replacements ready maybe but really unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/5259-thierry-small-recalled-by-southampton Recall for Thierry. Left back cover or starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, manji said: As BarcelonaSaint has mentioned. Can well imagine this is old news back when everything was up in the air. Can’t see money is a problem now particularly with our position in the league. I guess if either one of them is pushing for a move and we have replacements ready maybe but really unlikely. I only heard it recently, so presumed it was recent news. When I mentioned old news I meant I didn't know if it had been posted previously. The only thing that came to my mind was they are tying up too much of the wage bill and maybe restricting the incoming of players., FFP and the like, which I don't profess to understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Anyone with any info on Kami Doyle? Lack of news on him suggests he's off to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said: https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/5259-thierry-small-recalled-by-southampton Recall for Thierry. Left back cover or starter? Thats an interesting one. Either Thierry Small is returning as fullback cover or another loan has been arranged for him. Edited January 3 by davefizzy14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said: https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/5259-thierry-small-recalled-by-southampton Recall for Thierry. Left back cover or starter? Neither would be the smart guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 19 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said: https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/5259-thierry-small-recalled-by-southampton Recall for Thierry. Left back cover or starter? My guess is he's been recalled to then loan out somewhere else as he's only played 6 games this season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: So were Van Dyk, Wanyama, Forster and S Armstrong when we brought them. Not really. They all played Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, Wade Garrett said: Not really. They all played Champions League. A handful of games before Celtic get bombed out of the Champions League. You could say that the standard of teams they possibly faced would have been average at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 The fact that Small's return hasn't been announced by Saints makes me think another loan move is in sight. I wouldn't be surprised if he played the cup game at the weekend then went out on loan again. Holgate staying can only be good news. I think he'll almost certainly play Saturday too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, DT said: I think Everton were sniffing at one point too. God knows why. Be great if we sold him and invested in someone less shit. Also funny as fuck if the new club are relegated and we are promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: The fact that Small's return hasn't been announced by Saints makes me think another loan move is in sight. I wouldn't be surprised if he played the cup game at the weekend then went out on loan again. Holgate staying can only be good news. I think he'll almost certainly play Saturday too. Good shout...got to, surely... Edited January 3 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: Good shout...got to, surely... Weird thing is, St Mirran fans seem gutted he's going and according to the FB comments on their feed, he seems to have really knuckled down this season and was coming into a good spell of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 58 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said: https://www.stmirren.com/all-news/5259-thierry-small-recalled-by-southampton Recall for Thierry. Left back cover or starter? gozteppe ? valciennes ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 17 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: The fact that Small's return hasn't been announced by Saints makes me think another loan move is in sight. I wouldn't be surprised if he played the cup game at the weekend then went out on loan again. A player can only play for two clubs in a season right? No chance he's going to be a regular so expect to see him farmed out on loan again. One of the Sports Republic clubs would be my guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, igsey said: A player can only play for two clubs in a season right? No chance he's going to be a regular so expect to see him farmed out on loan again. One of the Sports Republic clubs would be my guess. I thought that was just league games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: So were Van Dyk, Wanyama, Forster and S Armstrong when we brought them. For balance, also Neil McCann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: For balance, also Neil McCann I was just speaking to a friend about this earlier...Every transfer from Scotland to England either ends up a world beater or a complete flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: I was just speaking to a friend about this earlier...Every transfer from Scotland to England either ends up a world beater or a complete flop. Got all bases covered there 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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