Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[The very right reverend]

3 hours ago, 2Morrow said:

Top three in the Championship had the most money, that's why they did well.

The only easily identifiable metric to estimate success is paying the most wages - the rest is circumstance. 

This, it's not rocket science, you pay the most you invariably win, it is as simple as that unless you're lucky or have skill, we have neither and that is proven so take the safe bet, spend the money.

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Forester said:

I remember the white handkerchief protest at newly appointed “Mauricio Who?” when we sacked Adkins…

If I remember correctly, that was more to do with the way the outgoing manager was treated rather than a critique of the incoming manager (?)

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

The word "almost" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, given both those teams have got double our points total (thereabouts)....

It’s not doing any heaving lifting at all, we’ve all been comfortably relegated with multiple fixtures still to play. Nobody is going into a final day relegation nail biter on 35 point. Leicester are officially the best of the three and they went through three Saints managers and two Popes without a goal at home.

For context, we went down on 25 points two years ago and many people were going through the nauseating, "it’s hopeless we’ll be lucky not to drop straight through to League 1, " drama queen routine. Now all three teams are that bad but only Saints will be talked about as struggling next year.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, 2Morrow said:

Top three in the Championship had the most money, that's why they did well.

The only easily identifiable metric to estimate success is paying the most wages - the rest is circumstance. 

How does that explain Luton then? Or Birmingham's relegation the season before? 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s not doing any heaving lifting at all, we’ve all been comfortably relegated with multiple fixtures still to play. Nobody is going into a final day relegation nail biter on 35 point. Leicester are officially the best of the three and they went through three Saints managers and two Popes without a goal at home.

For context, we went down on 25 points two years ago and many people were going through the nauseating, "it’s hopeless we’ll be lucky not to drop straight through to League 1, " drama queen routine. Now all three teams are that bad but only Saints will be talked about as struggling next year.

100% agree. Given our financial advantage playoffs should be an absolute minimum and probably top 4.

[Miltonaggro]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd say Pardew was a decebt manager for league one prior to seeing what he'd do with us. 

Agree. Punching well above at that point. Gave the club a boost.

[Willo of Whiteley]

We should be gunning to actually win the league, not just be in with a shout.

[2Morrow]

22 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

How does that explain Luton then? Or Birmingham's relegation the season before? 

They didn't have the most money this year? Maybe fluking a playoff campaign can be done, but there double relegation owes as much to the first miraculous promotion. Reversion to the mean.

 

Birmingham spent £15m on a ST in league one and lo and behold they smashed the league. Wrexham have commercial revenue that is on par with top 4 championship. Zoom out enough and eventually money talks. There will always be outliers, we had a good few years giving the big spenders a bloody nose ourselves, but unless you can get a cash injection (City, Newcastle, Villa) the average ceiling over 10 years will be top 10 prem. 

Look at us, Leicester (champions league and a title win), Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield Utd. PSR compliance is an issue, as all the teams in the prem gave had a guaranteed 3 years at 105m losses whilst we have the championship year that guts the squad and caps our spend.

 

It's not impossible, but will take a bit of luck, good investment and a set of tactics to maximise what we have. RUSSBALL could work for a mid table team, but our lack of quality showed up. Reduce the game to smaller margins, outwork the opposition and run further than them. Whether that's high press, low block or whatever.

[Saint Gifford]

Genuine question, was there ever any outcome to the White, Jordan thing on Talksport when it was suggested that we are up for sale. 

I can’t see many proper managers queuing up to take the job with a potential new owner yet again. 
 

 

 

[Ed Rooney]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

You just don’t get it. That’s fine, but there’s no need to be a dick about it.

😂😂😂 no need for the language, nothing to get, you basically said no because his uncle managed Pompey, yet you probably bashed one out over Pompey born James Ward Prowse 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ed Rooney

[CSA96]

 

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

 

Clearly not overly keen on us then. 

No doubt he is/was first choice but if he's going to mess around waiting for something better then it's good that we've seemingly moved on. 

[CSA96]

Sounds a bit like Rohl is stalling to see if the Bundesliga musical chairs - Leverkusen, Leipzig, Wolfsburg jobs are open + whoever else might have a vacancy if they lose their coach to one of those three teams - gives him a chance to work back home, close to his family and in a top division

If it's true that Johannes Spors wants to have plans in place by this time next week, which Alfie House says is the case, then perhaps we are getting restless and are now progressing with an alternative(s), hence the other names starting to pop up

Edited 6 hours ago by CSA96

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Sounds a bit like Rohl is stalling to see if the Bundesliga musical chairs - Leverkusen, Leipzig, Wolfsburg jobs are open + whoever else might have a vacancy if they lose their coach to one of those three teams - gives him a chance to work back home, close to his family and in a top division

If it's true that Johannes Spors wants to have plans in place by this time next week, which Alfie House says is the case, then perhaps we are getting restless and are now progressing with an alternative(s), hence the other names starting to pop up

Exactly what’s happened. Loose lips sinks ships but don’t think it’s giving too much info away to confirm the “current” status. I will caveat this by saying these situations are incredibly fluid and we are dealing with humans not computers so change of mind/stance can happen 

[Pilchards]

Only a guess as I’ve not spoken to my source for a week now.

Reckon the latest names being linked to the Saint’s job is to force Rohl’s hand to make up his mind.

He has certainly been offered the job a couple of weeks ago and it’s been agreed he can bring 2 coaching staff with him.

 

[Lard]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Exactly what’s happened. Loose lips sinks ships but don’t think it’s giving too much info away to confirm the “current” status. I will caveat this by saying these situations are incredibly fluid and we are dealing with humans not computers so change of mind/stance can happen 

So basically you know nothing as per the norm. 
And your circle of twats (COT) are just guessing too. 

who knew. 🤦🏻

[Pilchards]

We are also interested in a player from Wednesday whether Rohl comes or not.

[Smirking_Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd say getting derby and especially Coventry into the playoffs was not easy. He has a better championship record than Martin for me prior to us getting him in. 

Derby literally got into the playoffs the year before abd narrowly missed out the year before that

Coventry… ok, but again they’re a good side at this level, did well turning them around though 

But he’s not achieved anything, Id put him roughly on the same level as martin was really, purely because martin was highly regarded as a coach

[Willo of Whiteley]

Sounds like Rohl is stalling.

That should be a red flag in itself. You want someone that is keen and hungry. Not someone who is umming and arring, and is then going to be potentially downbeat if someone better comes in a month later.

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Anyone listen to Sean Dyche’s interview recently.

Talks sense, not a favourable style of play but it would be good to see even an ounce of physicality from our players.

[Smirking_Saint]

3 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Anyone listen to Sean Dyche’s interview recently.

Talks sense, not a favourable style of play but it would be good to see even an ounce of physicality from our players.

We don’t have the squad for a Dyche appointment even if we wanted him, which thankfully we don’t 

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, Lard said:

So basically you know nothing as per the norm. 
And your circle of twats (COT) are just guessing too. 

who knew. 🤦🏻

Check the threads hun it’s all there 

the CoT never been wrong 

Edited 4 hours ago by Turkish

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

😂😂😂 no need for the language, nothing to get, you basically said no because his uncle managed Pompey, yet you probably bashed one out over Pompey born James Ward Prowse 

Thanks for the unwanted insight into your perverse mind. 😂😂😂

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Derby literally got into the playoffs the year before abd narrowly missed out the year before that

Coventry… ok, but again they’re a good side at this level, did well turning them around though 

But he’s not achieved anything, Id put him roughly on the same level as martin was really, purely because martin was highly regarded as a coach

That's fine. Martin got us promoted so if Lampard did the same you could say he was a success. 

[manji]

2 hours ago, CSA96 said:

Sounds a bit like Rohl is stalling to see if the Bundesliga musical chairs - Leverkusen, Leipzig, Wolfsburg jobs are open + whoever else might have a vacancy if they lose their coach to one of those three teams - gives him a chance to work back home, close to his family and in a top division

If it's true that Johannes Spors wants to have plans in place by this time next week, which Alfie House says is the case, then perhaps we are getting restless and are now progressing with an alternative(s), hence the other names starting to pop up

Spors has been here three months. Plans are in place already.