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Appy

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I do like how much Still seems to adapt to his opposition. Had more than enough of “this is how we play”. Whether it’s Martin or Juric. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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6 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

IF true, that’s pretty crap from us. We knows there’s a buyout clause there, not a good look.

Southampton FC. Always looking to save a few quid. Not a great message to send to Rohl if he is really the first choice. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If Cooper was guaranteed to get you promoted then there’d be about five or six clubs every season fighting to offer him £20m for a season’s work. He’s had success in the past but he’s still far from a nailed-on promotion machine, so yes there is still risk attached.

I'd say he's the least risky available candidate. Bit of a moot point though as I doubt he'd want to come. 

Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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4 minutes ago, Appy said:

I do like how much Still seems to adapt to his opposition. Had more than enough of “this is how we play”. Whether it’s Martin or Juric. 

Agree with this. Had enough of all this "we play one way and one way only" bullshit. 

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Southampton FC. Always looking to save a few quid. Not a great message to send to Rohl if he is really the first choice. 

Yup. SR counting each penny they put in their purse, without noticing the large hole in the bottom of it, and the trail of wasted money behind them. 🙂

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Just watched the discussion on a new manager on Total Saints Podcast.  Alfie House put across a very good argument in favour of Will Still.

Does he do plumbing as well?

West end Saints

West end Saints

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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd say he's the least risky available candidate. Bit of a moot point though as I doubt he'd want to come. 

Disagree, he has had bad periods, scraped some play offs, had some good periods - just can't see how he guarantees success.

I wouldn't mind him, but would personally be more confident going into the season with Rohl or Still

Badger

Badger

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19 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Pretty sure it was £5m to a premier league club and £2m to elsewhere..

Similar to what I read (£4m to EPL).

And we paid how much for Sulemana??? 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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7 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Saving money and going for the cheaper alternative because we couldn't afford our main targets went very well last summer.

Will Still is under contract until 2027. RC Lens aren't obligated to let him leave for free.

SaintsLoyal

SaintsLoyal

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The Rohl compensation is speculated to be around £5M for a PL club or £2M 

 

We surely wont do the Martin waiting game again and get taken to court ?

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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25 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

Disagree, he has had bad periods, scraped some play offs, had some good periods - just can't see how he guarantees success.

I wouldn't mind him, but would personally be more confident going into the season with Rohl or Still

I didn't say he guarantees success. I don't really understand anyone that would rather have will still over Cooper. 

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SW11_Saint

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8 hours ago, aintforever said:

All three that got promoted last year got spanked and sent down without a fight - unless we get really lucky with some signings or academy players we will never be promoted ready for the Prem. Leeds will probably find that out next season.

Of the three going up they have the best chance of staying up I’d say, but it’ll take big investment and a lot of fight. 17th s/b the sole aim of all promoted teams these days. Sad really. 

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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30 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Just watched the discussion on a new manager on Total Saints Podcast.  Alfie House put across a very good argument in favour of Will Still.

Great listen as always.

Totally agree with them.

I’m more in favour of Will Still than Danny Rohl, I have been over the last week or so.

Danny Rohl strikes me as someone who would jump at the opportunity of somewhere better.

Will Still strikes me as long term thinking, grow with the club, work with the players and coach. I could see him linking up with Spors quite well. As for those saying he’s never played the game, he’s clearly tactically aware more than others.

He strikes me as the kind of manager you could take or leave, but if he ended up at say Leicester or Sunderland you’d be going “Hmmm, smart appointment”.

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AlexLaw76

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I didn't say he guarantees success. I don't really understand anyone that would rather have will still over Cooper. 

They do because they are easily pleased/led by the club 

Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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15 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

 

Danny Rohl strikes me as someone who would jump at the opportunity of somewhere better.

Will Still strikes me as long term thinking, grow with the club, work with the players and coach. I could see him linking up with Spors quite well. As for those saying he’s never played the game, he’s clearly tactically aware more than others.

He strikes me as the kind of manager you could take or leave, but if he ended up at say Leicester or Sunderland you’d be going “Hmmm, smart appointment”.

See when he left us the first time to go to Bayern.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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25 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Great listen as always.

Totally agree with them.

I’m more in favour of Will Still than Danny Rohl, I have been over the last week or so.

Danny Rohl strikes me as someone who would jump at the opportunity of somewhere better.

Will Still strikes me as long term thinking, grow with the club, work with the players and coach. I could see him linking up with Spors quite well. As for those saying he’s never played the game, he’s clearly tactically aware more than others.

He strikes me as the kind of manager you could take or leave, but if he ended up at say Leicester or Sunderland you’d be going “Hmmm, smart appointment”.

What is that based on regarding Rohl? If Blackmore is correct then it's us not paying compensation that is the issue rather than Rohl. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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11 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

See when he left us the first time to go to Bayern.

Literally no one is going to turn down Bayern to stay with Southampton. Had Still been in the same position he would have done the same thing. 

sockeye

sockeye

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I’m not sure if I want Rohl if we’re bottom of the totem pole. Regardless the club haggling compensation is understandable yet somewhat infuriating considering we’re likely to immediately spunk what we saved on some kid for the future to loan to Goztepe

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

What is that based on regarding Rohl? If Blackmore is correct then it's us not paying compensation that is the issue rather than Rohl. 

Has Adam Blackmore overlooked Still remains under contract at RC Lens? They aren't obligated to let him go for free. So a financial package agreement may also be needed for him. So that wouldn't make Still a particularly cheap option.

Dirkdiggler

Dirkdiggler

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2 hours ago, Morse said:

The only reason Will Still is known by anyone is he was/is an unusually young manager, who never played football but learnt the skills of football managing on a computer game. That's an interesting story that makes good copy for the media. 

Had he been 10 years old and had a career of 500 games in a pro league before going into coaching nobody would be aware of his unremarkable managerial stats. 

I'm surprised our technical director is prepared to take this huge gamble. 

You do realise the football manager line is a bit of clickbait with Still. It’s not how he got into football management at all.

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Long Shot

Long Shot

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3 hours ago, wild-saint said:

fuck me you are full of shyte. Someone with knowledge of history surely knows Sheffield United were terrible on 16 points and Burnley not much better on 24. They weren't disasters of a relegation season, no?  

Thanks for telling me what I am full of.  
Sheffield’s total was 25% better than ours and Burnley’s 50%. That would suggest that while not good, both were quite a bit better than we have ended up with this season. You can stay in the denial zone if you want,  but I hope whoever takes us over has a better grasp of our predicament than you. That is we were very close to becoming the worst team in the PL history and have also just gone through our most dire season in the 140 years of our existence. To solve a problem you have to understand how serious it is. Anything else is just sticking your head in the sand. 

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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But arguing over £3m for Danny Rohl isn’t that big a deal.

I’m not saying he’s bad, but he’s certainly not as good as some make out.

Plenty of managers out there, as long as they’re the right one for us to push for the title I’m not bothered.

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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7 hours ago, Dr. Kucho said:

It’s a shame that besides us Leicester and Ipswich have been so poor. If one of them had a decent season we could have seen Spurs or United get relegated. 

Why is that a shame? I'm glad Saints will be competing with the likes of Ipswich and Leicester next season for automatic promotion rather than Spurs and/or Man. Utd.

Appy

Appy

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9 minutes ago, DT said:

Arguing over £3m for the most important appointment at the club. Pathetic. 

You’re acting like we’re haggling over money for Pep or Mourinho, not someone who finished mid table in the Championship last season. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

Why is that a shame? I'm glad Saints will be competing with the likes of Ipswich and Leicester next season for automatic promotion rather than Spurs and/or Man. Utd.

Whilst that does follow logically, the idea of Man Utd in particular being relegated is just sooooooooo f**king funny that I have to go with Dr. K. on this one.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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2 minutes ago, Appy said:

You’re acting like we’re haggling over money for Pep or Mourinho, not someone who finished mid table in the Championship last season. 

I wouldn't pay too much attention. He posted the same thing about Mislav Orsic.

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Jaime

Jaime

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I understood that two candidates had been identified and recommended to the board. Im not sure the amount of compensation we are, or are not, prepared to pay is a factor before either has been interviewed.

Simply going off the noises circulating, Still comes across as a better fit on many levels... even in terms of his character 

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aintforever

aintforever

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26 minutes ago, Long Shot said:

Thanks for telling me what I am full of.  
Sheffield’s total was 25% better than ours and Burnley’s 50%. That would suggest that while not good, both were quite a bit better than we have ended up with this season. You can stay in the denial zone if you want,  but I hope whoever takes us over has a better grasp of our predicament than you. That is we were very close to becoming the worst team in the PL history and have also just gone through our most dire season in the 140 years of our existence. To solve a problem you have to understand how serious it is. Anything else is just sticking your head in the sand. 

I think that’s a simplistic way of looking at it, we still have much of the squad that got promoted before and have assets to sell. With the right amount of investment and a decent manager we should be in a good position to challenge.

We have a big squad of championship quality players (apart from 2 or 3), unfortunately in the Prem that means you get dicked every week, in the Championship where players like Armstrong can bag 20+ goal a season it should be a different story.

woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

How is Cooper a risk?  Been there and done it, also coached the young England sides to success.  
Promoted from nowhere with Forest, kept them up.  Was tainted by his Forest connection from day one at Leicester.

Despite how you try to soften it up, hes a risk because he was shite in his last job. As other posters have said, every appointment has its risks, its just you see less with Cooper as you've made your mind up that he should be our manager

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

Despite how you try to soften it up, hes a risk because he was shite in his last job. As other posters have said, every appointment has its risks, its just you see less with Cooper as you've made your mind up that he should be our manager

Thanks for putting me straight on that.  Much appreciated.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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3 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Despite how you try to soften it up, hes a risk because he was shite in his last job. As other posters have said, every appointment has its risks, its just you see less with Cooper as you've made your mind up that he should be our manager

He wasn't that shit. Pretty sure he got as many points in his 12 games as Russell Martin and Ivan Juric managed in two thirds of a season.

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Badger

Badger

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4 hours ago, Maggie May said:

Will Still - what a coup. How can anyone dismiss his credentials as an up and coming manager? His record in France for such a young, inexperienced coach is second to none. Future Nagelsmann IMO.

If I needed further convincing. This, coming from someone who has regularly banged the drum for Legohead, is enough to say Still isn’t the right appointment for us. 

woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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Does Rohl genuinely believe he can get a PL job? Or a Bundesliga job? A struggling Bundesliga side might take a risk on him, but he could also end up with nothing. Hes not the hot property he thinks he is

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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45 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Why is that a shame? I'm glad Saints will be competing with the likes of Ipswich and Leicester next season for automatic promotion rather than Spurs and/or Man. Utd.

Just one of those nice thoughts to keep separate for a moment, before you have to remember we'd be with them.

But you are correct that the worse the teams we compete against next, or any season, is better for our chances.

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bpsaint

bpsaint

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3 hours ago, Dusic said:

The concept of hiring a "risk free manager" is absolute nonsense.

The last time Saints did this it was probably George Burley.

The only recent(ish) PL ones I can consider that might meet this category are Moyes at Everton (although they always say don't go back), Potter at West Ham (going well...), maybe Mourinho and Conte at Spurs (didn't work) and possibly Hodgson back to Palace?

Run through the current PL top 10 and only Pep could have been considered a pretty safe bet when he was appointed, there are some big, big risks in there.

I assume the name people refer to his someone like Cooper. He has probably peaked in what he did with Forest and regardless - if we want a high intensity style then it was never going to be him.

 

It’s fair to say the manager recruitment game has changed in the last decade. We’re now seeing more and more players go straight into management, and unknown foreign imports come in based on the way their teams play, and their philosophy rather than results. 
 

Is there any manager we could realistically appoint now that wouldn’t have a downside, or a risk attached to them? Ronald Koeman must have been the last manager we bought it that made me think fuck me that’s a decent signing. Unfortunately for a club our size anyone we bring in is going to be a gamble, hopefully if Still is the new man he ends up leaving in a couple of years because he’s done a good job and been poached and not because he’s been sacked.

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CSA96

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26 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

Even Koeman had a fairly patchy CV before he came to us, didn't he? Wasn't there a disastrous spell in Spain with a club like Valencia?

Yeah, had failed at Benfica and Valencia. The discussion at the time was great name, bit of a coup for us but an undercurrent of concern that he hadn't been a profound success outside of the Eredivisie clubs he had managed. Pochettino had only managed one club and been sacked with them bottom of La Liga, etc etc.

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