Will Still

[Farmer Saint]

58 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

 If the CBs really are that bad that they can't play in a back 4 then we need to sell them and get a CB who can, in my opinion.

Absolutely we do, been saying it since Puel.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

Come off it.

Stephens and THB have been promoted from this league before. 

Wood is experienced and has done alright (yesterday excepted).

Edwards was one of QPR's players of the season.

Quarshie is a bit raw but is a beast.

If we can't make a decent pairing that's on the coaches.

Were Stephens and THB a strength of that promotion side? I didn't think they were bad, but it was obvious to me that THB lacked pace and it was only the failure of opponents to take advance of our mistakes that didn't expose his limitations. Not sure THB is great in the air. Stephens is competent at this level, but does he ever dominate a big forward. I've never lambasted him, but when a cross comes in he never seems to be in the right position to win headers.

Wood was pretty poor for Swansea in the championship in his two final seasons there and I didn't see a PL player when he got the odd chance, despite a few liking what they saw. Not sure what the consensus is on him right now - I've not watched the last few games live, so am not able to give an opinion.

I don't care what Edwards did at QPR. He has looked very lightweight for a CB to me. He has been bullied by big centre backs. First and foremost a CB must wins headers. He doesn't do that. 

Quarshie has the attributes we need. His ability with the ball leaves a lot to be desired. I can't see him stepping up to the PL, but maybe his limitations are manageable in the championship. He has a mistake in him, but which of a CBs doesn't?

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Baz Fl said:

Please give me some leeway,  if six chefs all fail to make a good dish with the same ingredients perhaps they aren’t all bad chefs, it might just be the shite ingredients they were given. Yes Will is not my personal favorite but every manager has failed miserably here in recent years. A lot of the goals we concede are coco the clown defending and our attacking focal point has been awful for years. SR and Spors are the ones that need to get their act together and sacking another manager is not making this lot into a 5-star meal

Maybe we should look beyond the chefs and the ingredients and give the oven some scrutiny.

[Forester]

4 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

We are second in Opta’s expected points table.

 

I guess the club will look at data like this and assume we are fine, just need to keep going and things will improve. 
 

I think this does work in Still’s favour. For me it points the finger at the recruitment. If we had competent players at both business ends of the pitch, we’d be up there  

This is damning indictment of our striker department

 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Id argue it’s the formation. 
 

as usual the midfield leaves acres of space that exposes the CBs. 

Because we refuse to play with a fucking anchor. Does my head in. 3man midfield with 1 as a proper CDM - I would play Downes/Jander there (either of them will hoover up lose balls, harry, and can will recycle possession very nicely), leave Charles as box to box as he has a great engine and all around playstyle, and sit Azaz in a floating CM position as playmaker. Then you feed the likes of fellows and Scienza on the wings, and have AA given a roaming striker role and free to make runs as he sees fit - it gets all our best players on the pitch, puts our attacking players in the right positions generally, and means that someone is actually in charge of defending the CBs from these constant free balls into an otherwise yawning chasm of space between our current midfield and our donkey CBs.

And last but not least - actually seek to play counter attack whenever its on. Let the other teams out to come on to us, wait for them to make the mistakes at times. The arrogance of our recent championship managers where they seem to think we should always be high up the pitch dominating the ball is just mental to me. We are not a Guardiola side - be prepared to mix it up.

Edited yesterday at 13:54 by Saint86

[Saint86]

13 minutes ago, Forester said:

This is damning indictment of our striker department

AA had one "clear cut chance" last night, and he put it away very nicely. He's actually looked sharp most of the season. He is our best attacker. Archer wasted an almost identical chance. And yet we have people on here calling for Archer to be started over AA - That talk needs to stop from now on, Archer hasn't looked fit to lace AA's boots up for the entirety of his time with saints, that isn't going to magically change now. Those 2 chances are probably a large part of our xG being up to 2 last night.

Outside of that, part of the issue is that our XG stats are coming down to players that aren't the strikers - Charles missed a free header last night, jander missed effectively an open goal vs Swansea etc. There were others. And tbf, AA did take one of the worst penalties i've yet seen from a saints player - but we all know he's shite at pens.

 

[Saintsfanuk]

I think we should give him plenty of time tbh, it's been shit for a long time I think the squad make up is just broken. Having a proper couple of strikers we'd be doing very well I think.

But we don't do he needs to find something that works, I don't think sticking to this formation is helping. It's clear we have got a mistake in us so we may as well play with more attacking players? Although we have created a ridiculous amount of chances without scoring.

Even then if you go 4321 you still have to suffer AA as the lone striker which he's shit at or archer.

Anyone both shit

Jelert Wood Quarshie Wellington

Downes

Charles azaz

Fellows AA  leo

Might work better, or you can go with experience with Mads, Stephens and THB, Manning at the back, still mistakes waiting to happen either way.

Cant see how any other manager isn't going to have just the same problems.

Ivan Juric is doing ok so far at Atalanta... Although having lots of shots and not scoring enough from the looks of it!

If we had signed a proper goalkeeper, a DM and even just 1 proper striker I don't think we'd be in the current mess. If Stewart didn't predictably get injured we would probably have beaten Swansea.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Saintsfanuk said:

I think we should give him plenty of time tbh, it's been shit for a long time I think the squad make up is just broken. Having a proper couple of strikers we'd be doing very well I think.

But we don't do he needs to find something that works, I don't think sticking to this formation is helping. It's clear we have got a mistake in us so we may as well play with more attacking players? Although we have created a ridiculous amount of chances without scoring.

Even then if you go 4321 you still have to suffer AA as the lone striker which he's shit at or archer.

Anyone both shit

Jelert Wood Quarshie Wellington

Downes

Charles azaz

Fellows AA  leo

Might work better, or you can go with experience with Mads, Stephens and THB, Manning at the back, still mistakes waiting to happen either way.

Cant see how any other manager isn't going to have just the same problems.

Ivan Juric is doing ok so far at Atalanta... Although having lots of shots and not scoring enough from the looks of it!

If we had signed a proper goalkeeper, a DM and even just 1 proper striker I don't think we'd be in the current mess. If Stewart didn't predictably get injured we would probably have beaten Swansea.

Still said he was happy with the strikers..

[Saintsfanuk]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Still said he was happy with the strikers..

I did wonder if he was just told he couldn't have another as they bought downs, and he didn't want to rock the boat publically? Or he was incredibly naive to think he had a balanced strike force or Stewart would ever be fit! 

It sounded all throughout the window that Spors was deciding what was needed. Clown show from all of them in the striker situation either way as has been for years! 

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, Sunnyside Saint said:

Seems we are looking at a succession of managers who have failed to make an effective team from the squad at their disposal. Is it really possible that they've all been duds?

Somehow I don't feel that there's a particular lack of talent with the current crop but perhaps I'm misreading it? I even had a hint of an improvement over the previous few games. Not sure now.

Is it that we're just missing a couple of cogs that could pull it together? The chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

It's demoralising that we have been subjected to this sub-standard "product" for a while now, notwithstanding the achievement of gaining promotion under RM, there were good moments, but for me watching his team was mostly like having teeth pulled.

I had optimism at the start of this season for a new dawn, yet to materialise. I really hope it can be turned around without the need for another upheaval.

The two consistent things we've been missing is a top goalkeeper and effective centre forwards. The signing of Bazunu is one of the most damaging we've ever made. 

[Suhari]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

For some reason, this really cracks me up:

 

 

Iz it 'cause 'e iz a ginga?

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Because we refuse to play with a fucking anchor. Does my head in. 3man midfield with 1 as a proper CDM - I would play Downes/Jander there (either of them will hoover up lose balls, harry, and can will recycle possession very nicely), leave Charles as box to box as he has a great engine and all around playstyle, and sit Azaz in a floating CM position as playmaker. Then you feed the likes of fellows and Scienza on the wings, and have AA given a roaming striker role and free to make runs as he sees fit - it gets all our best players on the pitch, puts our attacking players in the right positions generally, and means that someone is actually in charge of defending the CBs from these constant free balls into an otherwise yawning chasm of space between our current midfield and our donkey CBs.

And last but not least - actually seek to play counter attack whenever its on. Let the other teams out to come on to us, wait for them to make the mistakes at times. The arrogance of our recent championship managers where they seem to think we should always be high up the pitch dominating the ball is just mental to me. We are not a Guardiola side - be prepared to mix it up.

Seems to me we play with too many 'anchors'

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Baz Fl said:

Please give me some leeway,  if six chefs all fail to make a good dish with the same ingredients perhaps they aren’t all bad chefs, it might just be the shite ingredients they were given. Yes Will is not my personal favorite but every manager has failed miserably here in recent years. A lot of the goals we concede are coco the clown defending and our attacking focal point has been awful for years. SR and Spors are the ones that need to get their act together and sacking another manager is not making this lot into a 5-star meal

But this is football not foodball.

Or perhaps all six of them were simply bad chefs.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Seems to me we play with too many 'anchors'

You forgot the 'w'

[BarberSaint]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Were Stephens and THB a strength of that promotion side? I didn't think they were bad, but it was obvious to me that THB lacked pace and it was only the failure of opponents to take advance of our mistakes that didn't expose his limitations. Not sure THB is great in the air. Stephens is competent at this level, but does he ever dominate a big forward. I've never lambasted him, but when a cross comes in he never seems to be in the right position to win headers.

Wood was pretty poor for Swansea in the championship in his two final seasons there and I didn't see a PL player when he got the odd chance, despite a few liking what they saw. Not sure what the consensus is on him right now - I've not watched the last few games live, so am not able to give an opinion.

I don't care what Edwards did at QPR. He has looked very lightweight for a CB to me. He has been bullied by big centre backs. First and foremost a CB must wins headers. He doesn't do that. 

Quarshie has the attributes we need. His ability with the ball leaves a lot to be desired. I can't see him stepping up to the PL, but maybe his limitations are manageable in the championship. He has a mistake in him, but which of a CBs doesn't?

 

Agree with the assessment. Would have liked Edwards to come good but it's clear his physical limitations probably mean he won't be any good in the league above and we'll have to replace all of them.

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Because we refuse to play with a fucking anchor. Does my head in. 3man midfield with 1 as a proper CDM - I would play Downes/Jander there (either of them will hoover up lose balls, harry, and can will recycle possession very nicely), leave Charles as box to box as he has a great engine and all around playstyle, and sit Azaz in a floating CM position as playmaker. Then you feed the likes of fellows and Scienza on the wings, and have AA given a roaming striker role and free to make runs as he sees fit - it gets all our best players on the pitch, puts our attacking players in the right positions generally, and means that someone is actually in charge of defending the CBs from these constant free balls into an otherwise yawning chasm of space between our current midfield and our donkey CBs.

And last but not least - actually seek to play counter attack whenever its on. Let the other teams out to come on to us, wait for them to make the mistakes at times. The arrogance of our recent championship managers where they seem to think we should always be high up the pitch dominating the ball is just mental to me. We are not a Guardiola side - be prepared to mix it up.

Agreed. Also a sign of our weird recruitment that we haven't signed a proper defensive CM. As you say, it's not Charles' natural game and I don't think it's Jander's or Downes' either. We need a big athletic bloke in there to protect the defence.

[Toussaint]

4 hours ago, Baz Fl said:

Please give me some leeway,  if six chefs all fail to make a good dish with the same ingredients perhaps they aren’t all bad chefs, it might just be the shite ingredients they were given. Yes Will is not my personal favorite but every manager has failed miserably here in recent years. A lot of the goals we concede are coco the clown defending and our attacking focal point has been awful for years. SR and Spors are the ones that need to get their act together and sacking another manager is not making this lot into a 5-star meal

That’s exactly how I see it and why I’m not in favour of a change at this stage.

We may have to re think later if we start getting pulled into the relegation area.

SR are really unlikely to get a proven manager with the necessary authority's and gravitas to sort this out, it will be another coach who has to work within a framework and with what he is given by the geeks who are calling the shots. 

[beatlesaint]

If we can find a manager who can do the following then Still can go - 

Turn McCarthy or Bazunu into a consistently competent keeper.

Turn Stephens into a decent defender

Extract THB’s head from his own arse and remind him he ain’t all that like he was 2 yrs ago.

Turn at least one of our mis-firing strikers into a goal machine.

Stop players missing from less than a yard out.

Stop players passing the ball around either backwards or square without getting anywhere.

Toughen them up and put a stop to the mental fragility that is prevalent throughout the club.

Stop the players making stupid mistakes.

Unite the club and fanbase.

 

Should be a simple task shouldn’t it?

[Convict Colony]

whats that bollocks about manifesting things to happen, im going to try it.

We will score goals and we will not be shit defensively in the same match, downs will play well in 1 game, a actual right back might not be injured and armstrong will stop combing his hair forward every 1min with his hand.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

whats that bollocks about manifesting things to happen, im going to try it.

We will score goals and we will not be shit defensively in the same match, downs will play well in 1 game, a actual right back might not be injured and armstrong will stop combing his hair forward every 1min with his hand.

See you in league 1 🙂

[Convict Colony]

2 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

See you in league 1 🙂

Be there or be square bro

[Southner]

On 18/10/2025 at 21:16, Patches O Houlihan said:

 

 

Full video if anyone's interested.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 minutes ago, Southner said:

Full video if anyone's interested.

 

What a load of old fucking pony. 

 

 

[Pamplemousse]

Had a thought about it - there are 4 games until the next international window - Blackburn (A), Preston (H), QPR (A), Sheff Wed (H)

Not beating Sheff Wed should be a sackable offence on its own but there needs to be significant improvement over the other games. If not, that 2 week period would be the perfect opportunity to get someone else in.

[Badger]

16 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

 

Not beating Sheff Wed should be a sackable offence on its own but there needs to be significant improvement over the other games. If not, that 2 week period would be the perfect opportunity to get someone else in.

But not as good as the last one. 

[CB Fry]

We will beat Sheffield Wednesday and it will be talked about on here as some phenomenal result from a genius manager who finally has got his team to click and now we push on etc etc etc

Some shitty win at Sheff Weds will keep Still in role until Christmas 

[Football Special]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We will beat Sheffield Wednesday and it will be talked about on here as some phenomenal result from a genius manager who finally has got his team to click and now we push on etc etc etc

Some shitty win at Sheff Weds will keep Still in role until Christmas 

That Sheffield Wednesday team won at Fratton, I'm not totally convinced we'd beat them at St Mary’s, now that would be the massive boulder that broke the camels back 

[Football Special]

I didn't hear this last night but did leave before the final whistle, did we sing sacked in the morning? 

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We will beat Sheffield Wednesday and it will be talked about on here as some phenomenal result from a genius manager who finally has got his team to click and now we push on etc etc etc

Some shitty win at Sheff Weds will keep Still in role until Christmas 

The same Sheffield Wednesday with Joe Lumley as gloves man, Yann Valery smashing it in the over laying, inverted, offensive right outside back role, the ageless Barry Bannon winning turnovers  and Jamal Lowe in the form of his life? Yeah gonna be a piece of piss, get behind the boys FFS

[Pamplemousse]

16 minutes ago, Football Special said:

I didn't hear this last night but did leave before the final whistle, did we sing sacked in the morning? 

No. There were chants of 'You don't know what you're doing' when he brought Downs on but no sacked in the morning chants.

[Saint_clark]

On 18/10/2025 at 21:16, Patches O Houlihan said:

 

 

Think everyone should watch this clip. Confirms to me what I've thought, that our squad is a massive rebuild job not in terms of personnel but in terms of mentality. 

I firmly believe Still is the man to do it 

[SouSaint]

18 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

No. There were chants of 'You don't know what you're doing' when he brought Downs on but no sacked in the morning chants.

That's a shame. 

The guy is clearly out of his depth. 

[Lighthouse]

22 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Think everyone should watch this clip. Confirms to me what I've thought, that our squad is a massive rebuild job not in terms of personnel but in terms of mentality. 

I firmly believe Still is the man to do it 

It's over five months since we played our last PL game and half of that squad isn't even at the club any more. We're 'mentally rebuilding' from PL relegation, not the Battle of the Somme. Still's tactics are sh*t, it really is that simple.

[Football Special]

44 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

No. There were chants of 'You don't know what you're doing' when he brought Downs on but no sacked in the morning chants.

Thanks. I thought I missed something leaving a couple.of mins early 

[Football Special]

17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It's over five months since we played our last PL game and half of that squad isn't even at the club any more. We're 'mentally rebuilding' from PL relegation, not the Battle of the Somme. Still's tactics are sh*t, it really is that simple.

He's diagnosed players with PTSD who weren't even in the battle (Premier league) maybe it's contagious 

[Willo of Whiteley]

55 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Think everyone should watch this clip. Confirms to me what I've thought, that our squad is a massive rebuild job not in terms of personnel but in terms of mentality. 

I firmly believe Still is the man to do it 

I would rather keep Will Still than hire say Michael Carrick or Gary O’Neill etc

[Badger]

11 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I would rather keep Will Still than hire say Michael Carrick or Gary O’Neill etc

Indifferent to Carrick, suspect he’s trading on his name as a player. O’Neill got a fair bit of credit for his time at AFCB but crap at Wolves (plus skates link). 
 

No idea who SR will go for. Worrying. This may lead to giving it to Lallana as this season’s Rusk. 
 

What a mess. And what some fucking imbeciles we have running things. So avoidable. 

[StrangelyBrown]

I'm wondering whether this isn't as simple as Will Still being the problem...

We have 2 coaches (Lallana and Martin) who have been present throughout our recent problems.

We've brought in Paul Trollope to help Will Still. Someone who has basically followed Chris Hughton around and that's about it.

Perhaps we've got a bang average (at best) team supporting a young manager who is finding his way. Perhaps we needed to surround him with better coaches? Something that could be fixed quite cheaply...

This isn't a let off for Still. I think he was the wrong appointment for us to bounce back, but given our best shot now is scraping the playoffs maybe we need to fix other problems first?

[AlexLaw76]

7 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I would rather keep Will Still than hire say Michael Carrick or Gary O’Neill etc

Fans on here said the same about Lampard in the summer. One even said hiring Still was a more safe option than taking a huge risk on Lampard or Edwards

[AlexLaw76]

8 hours ago, CB Fry said:

We will beat Sheffield Wednesday and it will be talked about on here as some phenomenal result from a genius manager who finally has got his team to click and now we push on etc etc etc

Some shitty win at Sheff Weds will keep Still in role until Christmas 

Judging by the excitement post Swansea, you are probably bang on here

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

8 hours ago, Football Special said:

I didn't hear this last night but did leave before the final whistle, did we sing sacked in the morning? 

No, nothing against the manager. In fact, at the end of the game he came the closest to acknowledging the 3,600 or so fans that made the trip. I only heard we were going to be on the pitch if Downs scored...some hope that.

[benjii]

7 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I'm wondering whether this isn't as simple as Will Still being the problem...

We have 2 coaches (Lallana and Martin) who have been present throughout our recent problems.

We've brought in Paul Trollope to help Will Still. Someone who has basically followed Chris Hughton around and that's about it.

Perhaps we've got a bang average (at best) team supporting a young manager who is finding his way. Perhaps we needed to surround him with better coaches? Something that could be fixed quite cheaply...

This isn't a let off for Still. I think he was the wrong appointment for us to bounce back, but given our best shot now is scraping the playoffs maybe we need to fix other problems first?

Completely agree.

[east-stand-nic]

21 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

If I compare yesterday's performance (ignoring the result) to earlier in the season there is massive improvement, yes. I'm willing to give him longer term to fix the issues remaining as he is improving us. Earlier in the season we could barely string passes together to get the ball forward. The forwards, Armstrong in particular, were completely isolated because they were making the wrong kind of movements but they were heavily involved yesterday. 

Actually, I have to say this is a very good point matey. I agree. I noticed improvements but also I notice we are doing the old one step forward followed by another step back, ALA after we went 2-1 to City the other night. Also, I am worried Still is not at all sure what his best XI is and some of his changes during the game are very strange. But overall yes, there does seem to be a bit more cohesion and some better football being played. But what can he do to stop the errors and get us more goals? Does he have that in his locker?

[die Mannyschaft]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Completely agree.

Too many new players brought in too late which has rules out top 2 finish.

Top 2 finish was expectations for the club and fans who now realise its anything from midtable, to we are i bottom 6 survival to it could all fall in place in May for 6th.

The football on the pitch is not anything near expectations and the price we paid for players will have fans comparing value spent vs points gained. We are the Man City of championships this actually helps other teams to motivate to win v the most expensive team.

A lot of fans just want to be entertained,  watch football and that not there on the pitch.  Some want points. 

The 10 mins block of decent football doesn't help as most of game is possession sideways and that reminds fans of other managers tactics so that's not helping.

Too many subs, no starting 11 and what has actually happened on pitch us Saints have been out played all season so far except Boro and Swansea.  

It all contributes to a massive reality check. Fans need to accept and expect a draw at best each week until Saints can play for 90 mins. Or just hope for a Wrexham 5 mins 2 goals or 3 goal smash and grab.

Its going to take time is saying the next 2 months is likely to be the same football with trail and error so that's half season gone. 

The cost of season tickets is high and the club's love of profit with not 10% off shirts just helps the narrative the fans are there to make money from and looks like profit first football 2nd.

 

[AlexLaw76]

Still: “When we were playing four, it was like, 'Oh, we can't play four, we've got to play three, our centre-backs are better in three.’ Then now we're playing three, we've lost once. Now everyone's saying we've got to play four & two strikers & that.”

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Still: “When we were playing four, it was like, 'Oh, we can't play four, we've got to play three, our centre-backs are better in three.’ Then now we're playing three, we've lost once. Now everyone's saying we've got to play four & two strikers & that.”

Sounds like he's being influenced by 'noise' from outside.

He's the manager, he decides the tactics and picks the team.  Doesn't sound like he really knows what he's supposed to be doing which is concerning.

[SaintNewForest]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Still: “When we were playing four, it was like, 'Oh, we can't play four, we've got to play three, our centre-backs are better in three.’ Then now we're playing three, we've lost once. Now everyone's saying we've got to play four & two strikers & that.”

Sport rRepublic influence formation, I'm sure of it. What do their other clubs play? 

Ralph suddenly switched to a back 3 once they took over, having not shown much inclination to play like that before. 

Jones did. He whinged about compromising his principles and listening to noise.

Martin did. Particularly after we went up.

Juric did.

And now Still is, having said something about listening to others. 

Does make you wonder. 

[Wade Garrett]

26 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Sport rRepublic influence formation, I'm sure of it. What do their other clubs play? 

Ralph suddenly switched to a back 3 once they took over, having not shown much inclination to play like that before. 

Jones did. He whinged about compromising his principles and listening to noise.

Martin did. Particularly after we went up.

Juric did.

And now Still is, having said something about listening to others. 

Does make you wonder. 

Probably listening to laptop idiots who’ve never played the game but endlessly analyse stats.

It’s on the manager though.  He should do what he thinks is right.

[Saint86]

17 hours ago, Saintsfanuk said:

Even then if you go 4321 you still have to suffer AA as the lone striker which he's shit at or archer.

Anyone both shit

Jelert Wood Quarshie Wellington

Downes

Charles azaz

Fellows AA  leo

Might work better, or you can go with experience with Mads, Stephens and THB, Manning at the back, still mistakes waiting to happen either way.

Cant see how any other manager isn't going to have just the same problems.

Ivan Juric is doing ok so far at Atalanta... Although having lots of shots and not scoring enough from the looks of it!

If we had signed a proper goalkeeper, a DM and even just 1 proper striker I don't think we'd be in the current mess. If Stewart didn't predictably get injured we would probably have beaten Swansea.

This is basically what i was getting at - it has an anchor man in CDM - this is what we need so very badly. Hasn't really happened properly since the days of Wanyama or Morgan etc.

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Actually, I have to say this is a very good point matey. I agree. I noticed improvements but also I notice we are doing the old one step forward followed by another step back, ALA after we went 2-1 to City the other night. Also, I am worried Still is not at all sure what his best XI is and some of his changes during the game are very strange. But overall yes, there does seem to be a bit more cohesion and some better football being played. But what can he do to stop the errors and get us more goals? Does he have that in his locker?

I don't know, but he deserves to be given a chance. I'm sick of modern football and managers being axed after a handful of games.