Hull 3-1 Saints - Match Thread

[Convict Colony]

[benjii]

12 hours ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

I think I'd prefer Will Smallbone as the CAM compared to 12m Azaz. 

Can we not end his Millwall loan. 

Yeah, Azaz looks utter wank. Aribo, Smallbone, Armstrong, Robinson.... all better players.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

Yeah, Azaz looks utter wank. Aribo, Smallbone, Armstrong, Robinson.... all better players.

Asked a Boro supporting acquaintance about Azaz as he's disappointed me, he said we'll only see best of him when moving ball quickly and he has fast players moving off him, on his own he's quite slow but create chances with right players alongside him

Think we can spot the flaw in that plan then 

Edited Sunday at 11:42 by Football Special

[Stu Man Do]

Fed up with this now. We've been decent in less than 10 games in the last 4 seasons. Fed up of hearing about all the "great lads" in the team who are not good enough whilst better players languish on the bench. Fed up of tactics from CM 2001 - pass out to a winger and get crosses in the box without having a striker who can header the ball in the box! Fed up with XG, Tactical master classes on Sky. Fed up with Sports Republic and clever bollocks signings who "could be the next big pay day". 

When will this purgatory end?!!!

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I think we are trying to do that and there were some occasions when we achieved it to good effect, like the Downes chance for example, but not enough. When we do get between the lines we are going to need to be a lot more ruthless.

Overall I thought our general play was pretty good. We smothered them and dominated. In the final third there was a lack of quality and guile and I don't know how that will be solved. Fellows looks decent, but he needs a target and Downes hasn't got in the right positions in the box. At the other end we were let down by some pathetic defending of an arial ball. THB can pass but McBernie has him on toast. Sorry, but if you can't do the basics, win headers, you can't play centre back. 

Time to bring in Quarshie for me - hopefully he gets a start against Liverpool so let's see how he copes against Isaac 🙂

[saintant]

48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just seen the highlights that second goal was an absolute disgrace. THB gives it away cheaply, then gets bullied by McBurnie, Stephens gets sucked in then jogs back meanwhile the two CMs jog back and let Lindstrum get goal side of them with yards of space inside the area for an easy finish. Just horrific lack of quality and desire everywhere 

 Not an excuse but the first Hull goal is clearly offside. If you freeze play at the moment the Hull guy heads the ball the player who scores is quite clearly ahead of our two defenders. VAR would have ruled that out. 

[tdmickey3]

Just watched the “highlights”  …

Bazunu for the first goal, utterly awful,and absolute joke of an effort as shit as we all knew..

Both CB terrible for all goals, terrible, they cannot head the ball FFS

In particular Jack “ridiculous contract “ Stephens ball watching again, an absolutely terrible player and he’s our captain FFS. He couldn’t captain a fucking pedalo on a pond.

Still is either stupid and clueless or picking those 3 is forced in him.

Something has to give or we are in for another miserable and soul destroying season again…

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, saintant said:

 Not an excuse but the first Hull goal is clearly offside. If you freeze play at the moment the Hull guy heads the ball the player who scores is quite clearly ahead of our two defenders. VAR would have ruled that out. 

Maybe it was but all 3 goals were the same, simple balls into the box that we couldn’t deal with 

[saintant]

On an awful pitch we did have some good moments but not enough. All 3 Hull goals were a joke - first one is offside to compound Bazunu's mistake, second is a sloppy pass from THB then zero recovery defending and the third is a cheap free kick given away by THB which is swung in with Azaz of all people seemingly designated to mark McBurnie which only ends one way. THB was a disgrace and certainly needs dropping. With Downs we've signed yet another powder puff player. 

Edited Sunday at 10:18 by saintant

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Maybe it was but all 3 goals were the same, simple balls into the box that we couldn’t deal with 

Agree but not sure how the lino missed the offside.

[Mboto Gorge]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Maybe it was but all 3 goals were the same, simple balls into the box that we couldn’t deal with 

Yep. You will lose to any level of side if you can’t cope with basic stuff like this. It was embarrassing to watch, the sheer inability to deal with long balls into our box, especially when you think of the money we’ve spent. It’s complete incompetence 

[Baird of the land]

First goal was horrific. No pressure on the crosser, feeble aerially, Stephens ball watching rather than staying with his man, bazanu awful weak palm out.

[Sarnia Cherie]

18 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

We need big Sam, Bolton style players this is garbage 

He was sat next to Fergie at the Man U v Chelsea game. I wondered if he was being tapped up to replace Amorin. 😀

[obelisk]

47 minutes ago, saintant said:

the first Hull goal is clearly offside

Haven't seen the "highlights" but it looked offside to me when watching live but nobody seemed to mention it and as usual Saints players just meekly accepted it. At least get in the ear of the lino.

[Chez]

29 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

First goal was horrific. No pressure on the crosser, feeble aerially, Stephens ball watching rather than staying with his man, bazanu awful weak palm out.

The second goal was just as much of a train wreck that revealed itself almost in slow motion in front of my eyes. Lose the ball, little hussle to win it back, McBurnie pulls to the back post, easily wins the header against THB to an unmarked runner (Roerslevs lack of effort to be there is shameful) who couldn't miss. Fucking horrible. 

The third makes me grind my teeth in anger. Zero fucking desire from any player to win the ball at all. Id be absolutely slaughtering them in the changing room after the game. I'd have that goal on loop on the coach home (fuck flying back) and then all week in the changing room. Disgraceful. If you are not willing (desperate) to win a header as a defender, midfielder whatever you can just fuck off...

Still is getting slaughtered, but some of the players have completely fucked him yesterday. They don't seem to want it.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:57 by Chez

[saintant]

Just now, obelisk said:

Haven't seen the "highlights" but it looked offside to me when watching live but nobody seemed to mention it and as usual Saints players just meekly accepted it. At least get in the ear of the lino.

Look at the highlights. I've watched it a few times and freeze framed the moment their guy heads the ball and the scorer is clearly in an offside position - it's not even marginal.

[Saint NL]

Every player should be made to watch this video just to feel the embarrassment of allowing that to happen.

 

 

[Saint Billy]

This squad is still full of players not fit for purpose especially in defence. The summer clear out was not ruthless enough. This team still contains a core of past failures contaminating the side along with yet again a manager who seems short on ideas. Utterly pathetic the lot of them along with SR a useless bunch of pen pushers.

[obelisk]

7 minutes ago, saintant said:

Look at the highlights.

Have now done so and looks marginal with Roerslev's head maybe playing him onside as he tumbles to the ground.

What peeves me more is the lack of a challenge to the bloke crossing the ball who gets an age to pick his spot. Then the fact that a titch gets up above 2 defenders with ease for a header that Bazunu calmly plonks at the feet of a Hull player that's been completely lost by a ball-watching Stephens.

Apart from that the defence played a blinder in that moment.

[S-Clarke]

17 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

This squad is still full of players not fit for purpose especially in defence. The summer clear out was not ruthless enough. This team still contains a core of past failures contaminating the side along with yet again a manager who seems short on ideas. Utterly pathetic the lot of them along with SR a useless bunch of pen pushers.

This was sadly always going to be the problem. We were ruthless in certain areas, and we did evolve quite a few parts of the team - but it was never a single window fix-all style situation, as we've got our squad into such a mess.

We did do some self-sabotage in the summer by signing George Long and renewing Stephens though, that was just daft and continues to bog the squad down with rubbish, rather than improving in some key areas.

[Kenilworthy59]

3 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Have now done so and looks marginal with Roerslev's head maybe playing him onside as he tumbles to the ground.

What peeves me more is the lack of a challenge to the bloke crossing the ball who gets an age to pick his spot. Then the fact that a titch gets up above 2 defenders with ease for a header that Bazunu calmly plonks at the feet of a Hull player that's been completely lost by a ball-watching Stephens.

Apart from that the defence played a blinder in that moment.

The referee had a long hard look at the assistant expecting him to flag for offside, but he didn't. This was this assistant who the ref later over-ruled on a throw when the ball had gone out right under his nose.

[saintant]

14 minutes ago, Kenilworthy59 said:

The referee had a long hard look at the assistant expecting him to flag for offside, but he didn't. This was this assistant who the ref later over-ruled on a throw when the ball had gone out right under his nose.

Yeah, just watched it again and I'm still convinced the scorer is offside the moment the ball is headed.

[hypochondriac]

And there we go. Despite some people on here saying we didn't need anyone else, our inability to sign a striker suited to our style of play is what is going to cost us dearly this season.

[hypochondriac]

Also the echo supporter suggesting we go back to five at the back. What an admission of failure that would be. Five at the back at home against anyone in this league is pathetic and an indictment of everyone responsible for recruitment if it happens.

[chivvy]

So many players let the manager down yesterday... We were looking like getting an equaliser before hardwood bell end fucked up 

[skintsaint]

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Look at the highlights. I've watched it a few times and freeze framed the moment their guy heads the ball and the scorer is clearly in an offside position - it's not even marginal.

Does look offside to me. 

 

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Asked a Boro supporting acquaintance about Azaz as he's disappointed me, he said we'll only see best of him when moving ball quickly and he has fast players moving off him, on his own he's quite slow but create chances with right players alongside him

Think we can spot the flaw in that plan then 

Azaz can certainly pick a pass. Not sure there's a great deal else to his game mind. 

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Does look offside to me. 

 

Azaz can certainly pick a pass. Not sure there's a great deal else to his game mind. 

Robinson then or invite Edozie back in from the cold.

[Baird of the land]

41 minutes ago, chivvy said:

So many players let the manager down yesterday... We were looking like getting an equaliser before hardwood bell end fucked up 

How can you look like getting an equaliser without having a shot on target.

[chivvy]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

How can you look like getting an equaliser without having a shot on target.

Get what you are saying but pressure was building.. they hadn't crossed the halfway line second half.. 

Edited Sunday at 14:31 by chivvy

[Turkish]

Just now, chivvy said:

Get what you saying but pressure was building.. they hadn't crossed the halfway line second half.. 

we were on top but created nothing. 

[SouSaint]

£50m spent to assemble a bottom half Championship side. That's quite impressive even by our shite owners standards. Well done all involved. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

And there we go. Despite some people on here saying we didn't need anyone else, our inability to sign a striker suited to our style of play is what is going to cost us dearly this season.

 Not surprised by that, far from just Fraser, you can tell the other players really don’t rate Downs at all. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

 Not surprised by that, far from just Fraser, you can tell the other players really don’t rate Downs at all. 

Probably our most important position of the summer where we spent a big chunk of our budget. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Probably our most important position of the summer where we spent a big chunk of our budget. 

On the American Jason Lee.

That’s probably harsh on Jason actually.

[Convict Colony]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

On the American Jason Lee.

That’s probably harsh on Jason actually.

funny you mention that as i was watching the game i thought about him and the good old pinapple on his head chant.

[Challenger]

59 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

£50m spent to assemble a bottom half Championship side. That's quite impressive even by our shite owners standards. Well done all involved. 

Yep, they make the same mistakes time and time again . Never learn.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

funny you mention that as i was watching the game i thought about him and the good old pinapple on his head chant.

Memories of the 1990s and Fantasy Football League.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Memories of the 1990s and Fantasy Football League.

Didn't Jason Lee react very negatively to that chant?

[skintsaint]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Didn't Jason Lee react very negatively to that chant?

Yes claimed it was racist for taking the piss out of his hairstyle.

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Yes claimed it was racist for taking the piss out of his hairstyle.

TBF wasn't it the blacking up that was the racist bit ?

[bangkoksaint]

21 hours ago, notnowcato said:

 

[hypochondriac]

Can we honestly say that wood and Edwards as the two cbs would be worse than Stephens and THB? Worth a try surely?

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

TBF wasn't it the blacking up that was the racist bit ?

Different times

[stfrancisofbenali]

Being exceedingly optimistic, having a terrible spell at the start of the season means we have to doing something dramatic to rectify it, either on or off the pitch. The Championship, especially this season, is going to be incredibly open with no teams running away with it à la Leicester and Ipswich. Everyone will have a bad spell and ours is very much now. 

[StrangelyBrown]

7 hours ago, macca155 said:

Stephens and Manning were competent, I'd go no further than that mind. No attacks came from their side. Same as last Sunday they did their job. If the right of the defence did the same we may at least have had a point. That is the limit of our aspirations clearly.

The three goals came through either Mads or THB. They had a dog shit afternoon and cost us dear.

Wood for THB next Saturday and Edwards at RB. Or go back to 3 at the back.

Looking back at the goals and watching Stephens positioning - he's in no man's land ball watching on all 3. A better player would have instinct for danger and occasionally lend a hand.

All 3 goals are a defensive shambles (admittedly with dreadful individual errors), but we still look like a calamity show and until Still sorts that out we're going to continue to lose.

Where Still is concerned I'll give him 10 league games before making my mind up, but as a minimum I'd expect 16 points from those 10 so he's got a lot of work to do.

[hypochondriac]

39 minutes ago, whelk said:

Different times

Funny is funny.

[VectisSaint]

Haven't commented before but now seen the extended highlights. THB was a disaster, again. All three goals directly down to him, and a couple of other Hull chances as well. He has been awful all season. Whatever Still and his team coaches you cannot have someone play like that and expect to win or even draw. Complete shit show. I know Quarshie looked awful, but he has to be better than that. Yes Baz should have done better with the first, but the blame needs to be [put squarely at THB's door. I know I was only watching the extended highlights, but some of our attacking play actually looked half decent, someone better than Downs could have made something of one or two of those chances, I'm sure Stewart would have done better. If I was Still I would drop THB and replace him with Edwards, or play Stephens on the left and bring Quarshie back, it can't ba any worse (I mean for Boro, Liverpool is just something we have to get through). I wonder if Arma's goal, late and inconsequential as it was, may boost his confidence, think I would play Stewart and Arma up front. Just hope Downes continues to feel under the weather.

[macca155]

2 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

If  I was Still I would drop THB and replace him with Edwards, or play Stephens on the left and bring Quarshie back, it can't ba any worse (I mean for Boro, Liverpool is just something we have to get through). I .

I've been a bit disappointed with Edwards, and he isn't going to help with dealing with headers. I'd bring in Wood for THB and maybe go back to a back 5 ... God help us. That would mean bringing in Quarshie, I still have high hopes of him.

If Still does revert back to that system then we will have to hope that the new players can link up a bit better.

One possible positive is like Ipswich, both Liverpool and Boro will take the game to Saints. That will give a different structure to the game. What Still does with goodness knows.

 

[saintant]

4 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Looking back at the goals and watching Stephens positioning - he's in no man's land ball watching on all 3. A better player would have instinct for danger and occasionally lend a hand.

All 3 goals are a defensive shambles (admittedly with dreadful individual errors), but we still look like a calamity show and until Still sorts that out we're going to continue to lose.

Where Still is concerned I'll give him 10 league games before making my mind up, but as a minimum I'd expect 16 points from those 10 so he's got a lot of work to do.

Lack of the awareness of danger and ball watching are just two of the worst faults that can rightly be levelled at Captain Jack. Even when he is not making glaring errors his all round game as a defender causes us lots of problems. High time he was binned along with the calamity that is Bazunu. Take this pair out and also THB after his performance yesterday and we'd probably be a lot more solid at the back - time Will started selecting our best players not those who have traditionally played...we are allowed to drop them and now is the time.