New Manager Debate

[EBS1980]

6 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

I want somebody better than Tonda. I guess that this means an experienced manager who has been successful in the past and can give out weii deserved kicks up the arse to certain players. 

BUT

What happens in the next few weeks if it turns out that Tonda is a really good manager? What happens if in a few years he is regsrded in the same light as  say Pochettino? So far he has won 2 matches against weak teams but Blackburn, Derby and Swansea were weak teams and we didn't beat any of them. 

I can see the merit in giving him a bit longer in charge. If he can get 9 (or maybe 7) points in the next 3 games he will deserve a spell in charge to at least the end of the season. 

What happens if he fails to win against Charlton and Leicester? The atmosphere will be awful and no doubt the attention will be more on getting SR out of our club for taking so long to replace Still

[Miltonaggro]

2 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

What happens if he fails to win against Charlton and Leicester? The atmosphere will be awful and no doubt the attention will be more on getting SR out of our club for taking so long to replace Still

He wont get Leicester.

[Mboto Gorge]

3 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

What happens if he fails to win against Charlton and Leicester? The atmosphere will be awful and no doubt the attention will be more on getting SR out of our club for taking so long to replace Still

The extreme likelihood is, he isn’t about to turn our season around so that we start beating the better sides in the league , of which all 3 of our next opponents fall into that bracket. And everyone can see this eventuality approaching fast. Things will then become even more toxic because he’s shown nothing to suggest he’s suddenly going to improve us or do anything vastly different to still. In my opinion a midtable finish at best will be the outcome with TE in charge. It’s just more of the same old SR dictated dross

[lambtiss]

22 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Contrary to popular belief we’ve had quite a lot of experienced players and managers under SR. Only Selles and Rusk actually are similar manager wise. Jones, Martin and Still all had ample managerial experience but were just younger so people didn’t trust it and Juric also had plenty of experience. Player wise also we’ve got plenty of experienced crap but again, because it’s crap it hasn’t worked out and again people much prefer to focus on the young/inexperienced signings instead.

I think the key thing here is relevant experience. Neither Still nor Juric had managed in this country. Again, neither Martin nor Jones had managed in the Premiership. 

[CB Fry]

36 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Contrary to popular belief we’ve had quite a lot of experienced players and managers under SR. Only Selles and Rusk actually are similar manager wise. Jones, Martin and Still all had ample managerial experience but were just younger so people didn’t trust it and Juric also had plenty of experience. Player wise also we’ve got plenty of experienced crap but again, because it’s crap it hasn’t worked out and again people much prefer to focus on the young/inexperienced signings instead.

You are stretching the truth a bit there.

Nathan Jones did not have the experience to step into a decade-long established Premier League club. He had already shit the bed at Stoke City one league down. To "contrary to popular belief" him as being suitably experienced is fucking insane.

Will Still had delivered one of the worst seasons in Lens recent history. He was borderline experienced but at 32 clearly a punt that he really was a boy wonder. "Contrary to popular belief" he was recruited for his potential not his wealth of experience.

Martin and Juric yes fine appropriate for the division they were appointed to.

The issue with inexperienced I think players is more about our Ralph Premier season. For last year's debacle we just bought not enough quality and this year Damion Downs is obviously the lightening rod, rightly. It's not experience per se, he's just terrible.

[Lighthouse]

28 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

I think the key thing here is relevant experience. Neither Still nor Juric had managed in this country. Again, neither Martin nor Jones had managed in the Premiership. 

Neither had Poch, Ralph nor Koeman. All that really matters is experience at a decent level of football. There're no special rules in Italy and France that Still and Juric couldn't get their head around. Still didn't have a clue what his best team or tactics were, Juric was never going to change our fortunes with the players we had. 

[Mboto Gorge]

8 hours ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

Ha , don't know how I can defend myself against these allegations!

it's been so bad for so long I just wanted to highlight a rare positive in the shit show we've had since last season, I'm no fan of sports republic and think they've tried to be way too clever with their recruitment and have blown our chance to go straight back up to the prem and I'm pissed off they scapegoated Will Still to to deflect the criticism levelled at them and to do it with no replacement in mind is unforgivable, I wrote that post cos at the Wednesday game I was sat pitchside and I honestly saw better patterns of play and shape the other day , obviously against terrible opposition but Swansea are terrible too this season and we looked awful , I don't think Tonda is necessarily the answer but I don't think it's as simple as getting an established manager , dropping Baz, making the players try harder and playing 4 at the back which seems to be the considered wisdom on here, maybe a period of relative stability would do us good as it looks like the road back to the prem could be very long, as promotion is out of reach now maybe it's better not to rush into appointing someone that won't really bring in many of there own players  til the summer, of course I'd take Rose or Lampard tomorrow but that's not gonna happen 

I've honestly read the forum years and I didn't expect to be ripped into for a post that was just my opinion of what I saw in a match

So you’ve read this forum for years apparently, yet through everything, promotion and relegations, you’ve never been compelled to post until now when there’s a debate on the new manager, and you’ve felt so strongly about this that you’ve signed up and the first thing you’ve done is to cast your vote for Eckert on the poll. Literally the first thing you did at the very same time as writing your first post. Stop taking fans for fools. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[StrangelyBrown]

8 hours ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

Ha , don't know how I can defend myself against these allegations!

it's been so bad for so long I just wanted to highlight a rare positive in the shit show we've had since last season, I'm no fan of sports republic and think they've tried to be way too clever with their recruitment and have blown our chance to go straight back up to the prem and I'm pissed off they scapegoated Will Still to to deflect the criticism levelled at them and to do it with no replacement in mind is unforgivable, I wrote that post cos at the Wednesday game I was sat pitchside and I honestly saw better patterns of play and shape the other day , obviously against terrible opposition but Swansea are terrible too this season and we looked awful , I don't think Tonda is necessarily the answer but I don't think it's as simple as getting an established manager , dropping Baz, making the players try harder and playing 4 at the back which seems to be the considered wisdom on here, maybe a period of relative stability would do us good as it looks like the road back to the prem could be very long, as promotion is out of reach now maybe it's better not to rush into appointing someone that won't really bring in many of there own players  til the summer, of course I'd take Rose or Lampard tomorrow but that's not gonna happen 

I've honestly read the forum years and I didn't expect to be ripped into for a post that was just my opinion of what I saw in a match

Playing 4 at the back isn't necessarily the "considered wisdom" as you put it. But we can see that no one has a clue how to play 3 at the back properly so that we don't get overrun in midfield.

Perhaps our coaches could watch a Conte team and see what the extra defender does - this is clearly some education that is missing?

[Nolan]

What is ludicrous is the amount of people be saying we don't want to Eckert based on "feels".

He's won two from two. I've no idea if that keeps going or not. But there's also no guarantee that any other name comes in and gets points.

Until there's any evidence that Eckert is utterly crap, and we've not seen that yet, let's see if we can continue the win streak. 

Absolutely no long term decision is needed yet.

 

[badgerx16]

10 hours ago, Draino76 said:

This arrogant bulshitter is the root of all our problems. 

Rasmus, Rasmus, so good GOOGLE hired him twice.

[AlexLaw76]

17 minutes ago, Nolan said:

What is ludicrous is the amount of people be saying we don't want to Eckert based on "feels".

He's won two from two. I've no idea if that keeps going or not. But there's also no guarantee that any other name comes in and gets points.

Until there's any evidence that Eckert is utterly crap, and we've not seen that yet, let's see if we can continue the win streak. 

Absolutely no long term decision is needed yet.

 

WHy not give it Lallana, or Jack Stephens as player coach..or The Kit man?

So, when he gets embarrassed by Nathan Jones, do we THEN look for someone else, given he will be 1 loss from 1..?

Edited 8 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Mboto Gorge]

17 minutes ago, Nolan said:

What is ludicrous is the amount of people be saying we don't want to Eckert based on "feels".

He's won two from two. I've no idea if that keeps going or not. But there's also no guarantee that any other name comes in and gets points.

Until there's any evidence that Eckert is utterly crap, and we've not seen that yet, let's see if we can continue the win streak. 

Absolutely no long term decision is needed yet.

 

Ok well let’s look at the evidence to date, against QPR we were utterly crap, we had 2 shots on target in the entire game and were bailed out by scienza scoring a worldy. The final 20 mins after we conceded was the single worst piece of game management I’ve ever seen from a saints side. The only other piece of evidence we have is a match at home to a bankrupt club who have no players and are rock bottom even without their huge points deduction, in which we were gifted the first goal and generally won thanks to the terrible standard of the opposition. So let’s have some realism here. Had he played 2 sides in the top half we’d almost certainly have got beaten in both games playing the way we did, or at the very best, 1 point. And let’s not get started on him bringing Bazunu back into the side based on “a feeling”

Edited 8 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[HarvSFC]

There's also a fair amount of difference between appointing a manager in a two week international break than there is appointing one in December. "Lets wait until Eckhart starts losing matches to appoint the new manager" then you've got matches every three days and all of a sudden it's the transfer window. 

[lambtiss]

45 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Neither had Poch, Ralph nor Koeman. All that really matters is experience at a decent level of football. There're no special rules in Italy and France that Still and Juric couldn't get their head around. Still didn't have a clue what his best team or tactics were, Juric was never going to change our fortunes with the players we had. 

Yes, but those 3 were exceptional managers compared to what we can attract at the moment and with much better players at their disposal. When we were struggling last time, we went back to basics with reliable names like Pardew. I feel that is what we need now.

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

You are stretching the truth a bit there.

Nathan Jones did not have the experience to step into a decade-long established Premier League club. He had already shit the bed at Stoke City one league down. To "contrary to popular belief" him as being suitably experienced is fucking insane.

Will Still had delivered one of the worst seasons in Lens recent history. He was borderline experienced but at 32 clearly a punt that he really was a boy wonder. "Contrary to popular belief" he was recruited for his potential not his wealth of experience.

Martin and Juric yes fine appropriate for the division they were appointed to.

The issue with inexperienced I think players is more about our Ralph Premier season. For last year's debacle we just bought not enough quality and this year Damion Downs is obviously the lightening rod, rightly. It's not experience per se, he's just terrible.

This is exactly the issue with the ‘experience’ arguement. People make it subjective and start randomly picking the bits they trust and feel good about. 

19 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

Yes, but those 3 were exceptional managers compared to what we can attract at the moment and with much better players at their disposal. When we were struggling last time, we went back to basics with reliable names like Pardew. I feel that is what we need now.

Hindsight can also be a wonderful subjective thing too.

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Mods. Can we change the thread title to New Manager Debacle? 

Edited 8 hours ago by Behind Enemy Lines

[CB Fry]

23 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is exactly the issue with the ‘experience’ arguement. People make it subjective and start randomly picking the bits they trust and feel good about. 

Which was my exact issue with your post. To "contrary to popular opinion" claim that Nathan Jones had the appropriate experience to turn round Saints post-Ralph is misleading and precisely the cherry picking you're talking about. And it's not hindsight from a fans perspective because pretty much universally the fanbase agreed he didn't the day the news broke.

There isn't any assessment that gives Tonda the experience, all he has from a small portion of the fanbase is a) the "no one can name anyone better than the incumbent" disease that is rife in our forum fanbase and the b) "he's going to prove everyone wrong because people said man couldnt land on the moon" traditional delusion.

With the current mania to slag off and find fault with any other manager that isn't Tonda then I can believe that there are plenty in this forum who would right now reject the pre-Saints Koeman (he was terrible and sacked at Valencia, failure) and the pre-Saints Pochettinio (sacked at Espanyol, failure) versus Tonda who has never ever failed and never ever been sacked.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by CB Fry

[mikee]

56 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Ok well let’s look at the evidence to date, against QPR we were utterly crap, we had 2 shots on target in the entire game and were bailed out by scienza scoring a worldy. The final 20 mins after we conceded was the single worst piece of game management I’ve ever seen from a saints side. The only other piece of evidence we have is a match at home to a bankrupt club who have no players and are rock bottom even without their huge points deduction, in which we were gifted the first goal and generally won thanks to the terrible standard of the opposition. So let’s have some realism here. Had he played 2 sides in the top half we’d almost certainly have got beaten in both games playing the way we did, or at the very best, 1 point. And let’s not get started on him bringing Bazunu back into the side based on “a feeling”

you obviously didn't see the Blackburn game then - that is the worst game management i have seen and was the final nail in Still's coffin.

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

What is ludicrous is the amount of people be saying we don't want to Eckert based on "feels".

He's won two from two. I've no idea if that keeps going or not. But there's also no guarantee that any other name comes in and gets points.

Until there's any evidence that Eckert is utterly crap, and we've not seen that yet, let's see if we can continue the win streak. 

Absolutely no long term decision is needed yet.

 

Couldn’t disagree more.  Just like saying we should persist with Barnaby Williams in midfield, because he did ok v Sheffield Wednesday instead of recruiting an experienced midfielder with pedigree.

 

[trousers]

10 hours ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

I've honestly read the forum years and I didn't expect to be ripped into for a post that was just my opinion

If you've been reading this forum for "years" then the reaction to your post wouldn't have come as a surprise....

We *always* see 'first posts' akin to the one you posted when the club is in-between managers, and they typically come and go as quickly as the managers do themselves...

That's not to rule out you not being such a poster of course, I'm simply highlighting that a regular visitor to this forum wouldn't not "expect to be ripped into" for such a post given it had all the hallmarks of a typical 'plant' post that we've seen time and time in the past*

(*Cue the resident contrarians, Lighthouse and Fabrice, telling me I'm talking nonsense and that such things never happen... )

P.s. apologies for the smattering of double negatives.... 😁

Edited 7 hours ago by trousers

[BarberSaint]

10 hours ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

Ha , don't know how I can defend myself against these allegations!

it's been so bad for so long I just wanted to highlight a rare positive in the shit show we've had since last season, I'm no fan of sports republic and think they've tried to be way too clever with their recruitment and have blown our chance to go straight back up to the prem and I'm pissed off they scapegoated Will Still to to deflect the criticism levelled at them and to do it with no replacement in mind is unforgivable, I wrote that post cos at the Wednesday game I was sat pitchside and I honestly saw better patterns of play and shape the other day , obviously against terrible opposition but Swansea are terrible too this season and we looked awful , I don't think Tonda is necessarily the answer but I don't think it's as simple as getting an established manager , dropping Baz, making the players try harder and playing 4 at the back which seems to be the considered wisdom on here, maybe a period of relative stability would do us good as it looks like the road back to the prem could be very long, as promotion is out of reach now maybe it's better not to rush into appointing someone that won't really bring in many of there own players  til the summer, of course I'd take Rose or Lampard tomorrow but that's not gonna happen 

I've honestly read the forum years and I didn't expect to be ripped into for a post that was just my opinion of what I saw in a match

 

My difficulty with this is that when I listen to most fans at the ground they struggle to put three words together, repeat hackneyed phrases, think Stephens is good, or could be as he has potential, etc.

That's far too lucid for a fan. Almost AI assisted, I'd say. So you moved from Glasgow to Nigeria (or was it Kenya, can't remember) and now you're ... where?

 

As for the good patterns of play, yep Wednesday had several of them.

 

 

 

[Mboto Gorge]

18 minutes ago, mikee said:

you obviously didn't see the Blackburn game then - that is the worst game management i have seen and was the final nail in Still's coffin.

That’s literally your argument for what I’ve posted? That’s all you took from it? At Blackburn I don’t remember us spending the entire final 20 minutes kicking the ball anywhere and barely able to get out of our own box, let alone our half. It was poor yes but QPR was unbelievable, it looked like we had 10 men at the Etihad or Anfield, we certainly treated QPR as if they were teams like that , the way we had nothing other than aimless booting the ball anywhere with no outlet or plan.  

[Saint NL]

1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

And let’s not get started on him bringing Bazunu back into the side based on “a feeling”

Sounds like you don't know the power of hungry eyes.

[saintant]

25 minutes ago, mikee said:

you obviously didn't see the Blackburn game then - that is the worst game management i have seen and was the final nail in Still's coffin.

That final 20 minutes against QPR was far worse. As a game plan to protect a 2-1 lead it was everything you shouldn't do. 11 men behind the ball hoofing it away and waiting for it to come back again with no attempt whatsoever to get the ball into the opponents half. A kids football team manager would do a better job. Eckert showed that he had no idea how to manage that final 20 minutes other than a backs to the wall desperate defensive set up which, more by luck than judgement, saw us hold out until the final whistle. That cameo rung huge alarm bells about his ability and he needs to return to the U21s asap to continue learning his trade because he is currently far from ready to manage at Championship level.

[ally_uk]

Ah well give the lad a couple of games and let's see what happens, if it all goes tits up I'm sure somebody will protest by setting off a party popper at St Fairy's 🤣🤣🤣

Edited 6 hours ago by ally_uk

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, HarvSFC said:

There's also a fair amount of difference between appointing a manager in a two week international break than there is appointing one in December. "Lets wait until Eckhart starts losing matches to appoint the new manager" then you've got matches every three days and all of a sudden it's the transfer window. 

Hang on. Eckert can win games with 2 days training, but it will be a problem for experienced managers?

[Dr. Kucho]

12 hours ago, Draino76 said:

This arrogant bulshitter is the root of all our problems. 

Rasmus might want to read the book he wrote himself, Hunger in Paradise about successful organizations remaining successful. Might help with making Sports Republic a success. 

Thinking of it, if he knows so much an out successful organizations why is Sports Republic so crap? Why does he say in his Ted Talks you should consider breaking things that aren’t broken? Why does he share his high performance knowledge with IKEA, LEGO, Facebook, Google (2x even!) and others but not at Sports Republic? 

So many questions and no answers.

Or is he just a smooth talking fraudster? 

[jrobsbigshorts]

2 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Playing 4 at the back isn't necessarily the "considered wisdom" as you put it. But we can see that no one has a clue how to play 3 at the back properly so that we don't get overrun in midfield.

Perhaps our coaches could watch a Conte team and see what the extra defender does - this is clearly some education that is missing?

I agree in that the 3 clearly wasn't working, seemed like Still just didn't trust any 2 of our central defenders, we had that cup game when he stumbled on Quarshie Edwards and Wood and stuck with it but the shape looked all wrong to me most of the time , getting in each others way , not picking up runners etc and it did look more functional in the Wednesday game , admittedly way to small a sample size to glean much from but I'm just trying to hang on to a positive!

I guess my considered wisdom comment was about that disconnect between the fans and the managers , the elynoussi factor ! , they obviously see different things to us , I'm just another know nothing fan and asking the question why managers keep playing a 5 and fans never want it , Ralph did it for a bit too and it was terrible

[Wade Garrett]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Rasmus might want to read the book he wrote himself, Hunger in Paradise about successful organizations remaining successful. Might help with making Sports Republic a success. 

Thinking of it, if he knows so much an out successful organizations why is Sports Republic so crap? Why does he say in his Ted Talks you should consider breaking things that aren’t broken? Why does he share his high performance knowledge with IKEA, LEGO, Facebook, Google (2x even!) and others but not at Sports Republic? 

So many questions and no answers.

Or is he just a smooth talking fraudster? 

He’s drawn towards people with little ability apart from being able to sell themselves, Russell Martin, Will Still, because that’s exactly what he is.

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Behind Enemy Lines said:

Mods. Can we change the thread title to New Manager Debacle? 

It's 70 odd pages long now, how about just calling it the Mass Debate ?

 

[Charlie Wayman]

17 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He’s drawn towards people with little ability apart from being able to sell themselves, Russell Martin, Will Still, because that’s exactly what he is.

Can't agree with your on Still. He was an atrocious communicator, his pc's were appallingly inept and it amazes me that he cobbled together enough articulation to impress anybody other than the tea lady - no disrespect intended.

"Russ" of course was a world class bullshystter

[saintant]

38 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Rasmus might want to read the book he wrote himself, Hunger in Paradise about successful organizations remaining successful. Might help with making Sports Republic a success. 

Thinking of it, if he knows so much an out successful organizations why is Sports Republic so crap? Why does he say in his Ted Talks you should consider breaking things that aren’t broken? Why does he share his high performance knowledge with IKEA, LEGO, Facebook, Google (2x even!) and others but not at Sports Republic? 

So many questions and no answers.

Or is he just a smooth talking fraudster? 

I struggle to think why anyone would buy and read books he has written or pay and waste time attending one of his bullshit seminars.

[CB Fry]

46 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Hang on. Eckert can win games with 2 days training, but it will be a problem for experienced managers?

Pretty pointless smart arse answer. We could have appointed anyone the day after Still left and got results against QPR and Sheff Wednesday. Eckert is not the miracle man you're making him out to be.

The point it is would have been sensible to appoint a new person with a 2 week lead in, rather then wait for Eckert to fail and appoint someone in the middle of a heavy Sat-Tues fixture run

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

14 minutes ago, Challenger said:

It's 70 odd pages long now, how about just calling it the Mass Debate ?

 

Think Master Bates might have an issue with that!

[Charlie Wayman]

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

I struggle to think why anyone would buy and read books he has written or pay and waste time attending one of his bullshit seminars.

You can fool most of the people some of the time etc………………...

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

6 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Pretty pointless smart arse answer. We could have appointed anyone the day after Still left and got results against QPR and Sheff Wednesday. Eckert is not the miracle man you're making him out to be.

The point it is would have been sensible to appoint a new person with a 2 week lead in, rather then wait for Eckert to fail and appoint someone in the middle of a heavy Sat-Tues fixture run

This. As I said before if Tonda does well then fantastic.

However from the two games already seen my concern is its going to be very much the same but with a bit more controlled pressing and playing Robinson again.

[Wade Garrett]

25 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Can't agree with your on Still. He was an atrocious communicator, his pc's were appallingly inept and it amazes me that he cobbled together enough articulation to impress anybody other than the tea lady - no disrespect intended.

"Russ" of course was a world class bullshystter

Think back to all the acclaim before he joined about being the next best thing.  Then there was the tactical masterclass on Sky with Carragher.  

Snake-oil salesman with nothing to back it up.

[Mboto Gorge]

1 hour ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

I agree in that the 3 clearly wasn't working, seemed like Still just didn't trust any 2 of our central defenders, we had that cup game when he stumbled on Quarshie Edwards and Wood and stuck with it but the shape looked all wrong to me most of the time , getting in each others way , not picking up runners etc and it did look more functional in the Wednesday game , admittedly way to small a sample size to glean much from but I'm just trying to hang on to a positive!

I guess my considered wisdom comment was about that disconnect between the fans and the managers , the elynoussi factor ! , they obviously see different things to us , I'm just another know nothing fan and asking the question why managers keep playing a 5 and fans never want it , Ralph did it for a bit too and it was terrible

Can you explain why you think the club should give Eckert the job ? After all, you’ve voted for him in the poll. You obviously really believe in him to the point that after supposed years of viewing this forum silently, you’ve now joined up to champion his case. That’s pretty stoic support and something you obviously feel very strongly about that he should be given the job over any other manager anywhere, despite him never managing at senior level before. I’d be very interested to hear the viewpoint from “just another no nothing fan”, which you keep insisting you are.

Edited 5 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Patches O Houlihan]

2 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

That’s literally your argument for what I’ve posted? That’s all you took from it? At Blackburn I don’t remember us spending the entire final 20 minutes kicking the ball anywhere and barely able to get out of our own box, let alone our half. It was poor yes but QPR was unbelievable, it looked like we had 10 men at the Etihad or Anfield, we certainly treated QPR as if they were teams like that , the way we had nothing other than aimless booting the ball anywhere with no outlet or plan.  

AT QPR we had Downs on the pitch for the last half an hour. He was worse than useless because he spent the whole time camped out in our area so we had no 'out' ball with which to relieve the pressure - it just came straight back at us.

Because we had no proper leader on the pitch and everyone was maxed just trying to keep the ball out of the net, there was no one to tell him to pull his head out of his arse and go and occupy two of their CBs so they couldn't;t press right up and create a pressure cooker. 

You might have expected the manager to have spotted it and had a word - but Tonda was likely maxed as well...

[sotonjoe]

52 minutes ago, Challenger said:

It's 70 odd pages long now, how about just calling it the Mass Debate ?

 

With rasmus wankerson

[jrobsbigshorts]

1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Can you explain why you think the club should give Eckert the job ? After all, you’ve voted for him in the poll. You obviously really believe in him to the point that after supposed years of viewing this forum silently, you’ve now joined up to champion his case. That’s pretty stoic support and something you obviously feel very strongly about that he should be given the job over any other manager anywhere, despite him never managing at senior level before. I’d be very interested to hear the viewpoint from “just another no nothing fan”, which you keep insisting you are.

I don't actually feel that strongly about it tbh , even though I don't vape like a c#nt  I do tend to favour the idea of a young progressive coach over experience in the league and I really thought Will Still was the answer , I've never liked Gerrard , GON did my head in with his VAR conspiracy theories , I actually liked Carrick but was put off after watching the vid from boro fans posted on here , TBF I wouldn't mind Carrick , clearly has a great football brain but not sure about him as a motivator,I think Eckert has a confidence about him( the hungry eyes thing showed some bollocks to come  out with the cringiest thing since Nathan Jones time!)and he knows more about the champ than Still did from his time at Barnsley,and like I said last week I enjoyed watching a game for the first time in ages 

Edited 4 hours ago by jrobsbigshorts

[Mboto Gorge]

3 minutes ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

I don't actually feel that strongly about it tbh , even though I don't vape like a c#nt  I do tend to favour the idea of a young progressive coach over experience in the league and I really thought Will Still was the answer , I've never liked Gerrard , GON did my head in with his VAR conspiracy theories , I actually liked Carrick but was put off after watching the vid from boro fans posted on here , TBF I wouldn't mind Carrick , clearly has a great football brain but not sure about him as a motivator,I think Eckert has a confidence about him( the hungry eyes thing showed some bollocks to clean me out with the cringiest thing since Nathan Jones time!)and he knows more about the champ than Still did from his time at Barnsley,and like I said last week I enjoyed watching a game for the first time in ages 

Yeah, you’re convincing me more and more every time you post, that you’re a club PR plant 

[Dusic]

Suprised nobody has mentioned Brian Little, so I will:

Brian Little 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Alan Curbishley

[Maggie May]

38 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Suprised nobody has mentioned Brian Little, so I will:

Brian Little 

We’ll end up with Brian Lidl.

[Master Bates]

Should have given it to Aaron Martin....

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

I don't actually feel that strongly about it tbh , even though I don't vape like a c#nt  I do tend to favour the idea of a young progressive coach over experience in the league and I really thought Will Still was the answer , I've never liked Gerrard , GON did my head in with his VAR conspiracy theories , I actually liked Carrick but was put off after watching the vid from boro fans posted on here , TBF I wouldn't mind Carrick , clearly has a great football brain but not sure about him as a motivator,I think Eckert has a confidence about him( the hungry eyes thing showed some bollocks to come  out with the cringiest thing since Nathan Jones time!)and he knows more about the champ than Still did from his time at Barnsley,and like I said last week I enjoyed watching a game for the first time in ages 

Fucking embarrassing.

[Nolan]

The way it worked when Hassenhüttl went was Selles had a couple of game as interim. 

We installed Jones, sacked Jones in short order and went back to Selles.

The way it worked when Martin went was Rusk had a couple of games as interim. 

We installed Juric, sacked Juric in short order and went back to Rusk.

This time we've got two wins from three interim boss. I don't know whether anyone else would have won or lost those games, but if the man and the players click, why on earth would you change?

He is still "interim" until he's not, but I do think it absolutely stupid to not keep on looking at his capabilities.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nolan

[Football Special]

5 minutes ago, Nolan said:

The way it worked when Hassenhüttl went was Selles had a couple of game as interim. 

We installed Jones, sacked Jones in short order and went back to Selles.

The way it worked when Martin went was Rusk had a couple of games as interim. 

We installed Juric, sacked Juric in short order and went back to Rusk.

This time we've got two wins from three interim boss. I don't know whether anyone else would have won or lost those games, but if the man and the players click, why on earth would you change?

He is still "interim" until he's not, but I do think it absolutely stupid to not keep on looking at his capabilities.

Hello Tonda, thanks for dropping in and taking the time to post, thanks for the two wins but off you trot back to the u21s to see how hungry their eyes are. Cheers. 

[Simo is back]

4 hours ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

I agree in that the 3 clearly wasn't working, seemed like Still just didn't trust any 2 of our central defenders, we had that cup game when he stumbled on Quarshie Edwards and Wood and stuck with it but the shape looked all wrong to me most of the time , getting in each others way , not picking up runners etc and it did look more functional in the Wednesday game , admittedly way to small a sample size to glean much from but I'm just trying to hang on to a positive!

I guess my considered wisdom comment was about that disconnect between the fans and the managers , the elynoussi factor ! , they obviously see different things to us , I'm just another know nothing fan and asking the question why managers keep playing a 5 and fans never want it , Ralph did it for a bit too and it was terrible

Hi Adam