New Manager Debate

[Saint Fan CaM]

I’m not sure where the complete dismissal of Eckhert comes from. I’m not saying for one minute he’s definitely the man for the job, but if he takes 9 points from the next three games why would anyone doubt that for whatever reason he’s got what it takes. He may well be the exact fit required to get us firing on all cylinders - who knows?  He’s proved he’s a good manager at U-21 level…why not see if he’s matured enough to do it at senior level?

One thing’s for certain - if SR had rushed into an appointment they’d have almost certainly got it wrong. I’m chilled about the situation right now…2pm Saturday I might not be quite so relaxed mind! 😉😂

[Harry_SFC]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Do you not think it is likely, given we are a very attractive proportion, he is out of work, and was in for the Norwich job at the very same time.

I think the odds are good, compared to Mr Bean being one of the 150+ applications.

I don't believe for a second that there was no one in that 150 who wouldn't be a good bet for us. Unless all the applicants happened to be from this forum. 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m not sure where the complete dismissal of Eckhert comes from. I’m not saying for one minute he’s definitely the man for the job, but if he takes 9 points from the next three games why would anyone doubt that for whatever reason he’s got what it takes. He may well be the exact fit required to get us firing on all cylinders - who knows?  He’s proved he’s a good manager at U-21 level…why not see if he’s matured enough to do it at senior level?

One thing’s for certain - if SR had rushed into an appointment they’d have almost certainly got it wrong. I’m chilled about the situation right now…2pm Saturday I might not be quite so relaxed mind! 😉😂

I don't think it's complete dismissal. More just the fact that it's quite clear, as usual, the club don't have a fucking clue what to do. There is absolutely no plan at all. 

[Maggie May]

6 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

I’d love to know what their vetting process is considering what a failure their leadership has been so far. Five years in and lower half of the Championship is all they’ve got to show for an outlay of 100s of millions plus payouts for managers. 

[danjosaint]

39 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

 He may well be the exact fit required to get us firing on all cylinders - who knows?  He’s proved he’s a good manager at U-21 level…why not see if he’s matured enough to do it at senior level 

So was Rusk

[Willo of Whiteley]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Alfie House has written a brilliant article today on what SR should be doing.

Yep, and almost none of it, the basics, will SR do. 😢

[Mboto Gorge]

37 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I’d love to know what their vetting process is considering what a failure their leadership has been so far. Five years in and lower half of the Championship is all they’ve got to show for an outlay of 100s of millions plus payouts for managers. 

Quite. Still showing arrogance and considering certain fairly competent managers as beneath them, I suspect, despite the complete pigs ear they’ve made of running our club. 

[CamSaint]

How impressed are people with Middlesborough's impending appointment of Kim Hellborg as Head Coach (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce3kd3xdgego)?  It would appear that he was also interviewed by Swansea.

[danjosaint]

By all accounts he was about to become Swansea boss until Boro came in late 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

I don't believe for a second that there was no one in that 150 who wouldn't be a good bet for us. Unless all the applicants happened to be from this forum. 

I have never employed a football coach, but would you just look at the applications or would you work through your own list of people you have identified as being of interest. I can’t see a quality manager worth his salt sitting down and putting together a formal application form. I wonder how many of the 150 applications were people on Universal Credit fulfilling their job application quota? 😉

[scumbag]

Two dog shit performances against QPR & Sheff W...off you go son, give it a go! The usual rats will down tools in 5 mins if this no name makes any moves they dont like.  

Baz and shoehorn straight back in, and Downs still being brought on in a desperate attempt to limit damage to the egos involved in that disaster...clearly taking his brief from the clowns upstairs.  And said clowns are going to royally fck up any possibility of getting back up whilst the parachute dosh is still available.  

 

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[goodymatt]

 

[SouSaint]

Owners seem prepared to write this season off then. Sport Republic out. 

[Harry_SFC]

28 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

How impressed are people with Middlesborough's impending appointment of Kim Hellborg as Head Coach (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce3kd3xdgego)?  It would appear that he was also interviewed by Swansea.

A young, inexperienced manager who has only managed in Sweden and had a very limited career as a player. What could possibly go wrong (watch him be great for them). 

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, OldNick said:

Im not surprised with Shaw not knowing, he would have known the colour of a Mars bar or Milky way wrapper I expect.

Gerrard/Viera would be known by all players I would have thought, and for a short period may have the awe of the squad, that is why those may get something out of the them. Gerrard with a good football brain as a 2nd in command may well be good for a club like us, and you never know might get good Liverpool loans in. ( I dont believe Gerrard is a great manager but perhaps its what we need here and now. It certainly would get a short buzz IMO

In what world would Gerrard come here as a number 2?

[bangkoksaint]

9 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Owners seem prepared to write this season off then. Sport Republic out. 

I have. Normally I’m planning games to attend and travel etc. I can’t bring myself to throw good money after bad anymore. We know how this will play out. We’ve been there plenty of times with SR, it’s rinse and repeat. Meanwhile ticket sales don’t look great and it won’t be long before ST holders are considering next season. I think there will be plenty who will say enough is enough and stop blindly paying out for such drivel. 

[VectisSaint]

25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have never employed a football coach, but would you just look at the applications or would you work through your own list of people you have identified as being of interest. I can’t see a quality manager worth his salt sitting down and putting together a formal application form. I wonder how many of the 150 applications were people on Universal Credit fulfilling their job application quota? 😉

Don't we still use the Black Box? I thought they just pressed the 'Next Manager' button and up popped the primary candidate.

 

[AlexLaw76]

21 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

LOL

we really have terrible owners. Just ghosting the fans now

Dragan is a fucking bellend.

[Harry_SFC]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

LOL

we really have terrible owners. Just ghosting the fans now

Dragan is a fucking bellend.

When should Dragan start to be criticised? At the end of the day he is the owner and chairman, surely he should take some responsibility now? 

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[Mboto Gorge]

56 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Owners seem prepared to write this season off then. Sport Republic out. 

They also wrote off last season from around October onwards. So that’s 2 in row they’ve thrown the towel in before Christmas. Exciting times 

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[Willo of Whiteley]

15 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

They also wrote off last season from around October onwards. So that’s 2 in row they’ve thrown the towel in before Christmas. Exciting times 

All part of the ten year plan.

The first five clearly involving two relegations, one promotion and two “sacking it off”.

[HarvSFC]

Very naïve move from SR. Two poor results against Charlton and Leicester, which is very possible given this season and they will lose a lot more of the fan base than they have done already. The Preston game was a taster for the anti-SR chants, but if they've wasted three weeks, two of those being an international break and three games then St. Mary's will be toxic.

This was a chance for SR to bring the fans back on their side. Make an ambitious appointment, one that gets us believing again, one who we thought was impossible to get. But, no, we're going with the U21s boss for the foreseeable, and he's only been with the U21s for a couple of months, achieved nothing with them, hasn't earned the promotion. As I've said before, we are a reputable club, a historical top flight club, a big club in a good location with a big budget. I don't believe for a second there wasn't a good manager out there interested in improving things here. But, here we are.

For a long time we've been a club that's been sleepwalking to where we currently are. Off the pitch we've appeared to lack plans and drive. That's on Dragan as he should be setting the expectations, but each decision made seems to come with more disappointment these days.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

When should Dragan start to be criticised?

January 2022

[lambtiss]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

Echo suggesting players didn't respect Still, possibly due to his lack of playing record and experience in England. So what are we going to do, appoint someone else with exactly that profile, but even less management experience. It's insanity isnt it?

I thought the same. What also concerns me is that the implication here is that the players were not playing to their maximum because they didn't respect the manager.

I know its terribly naive but given the amount they are paid shouldn't the minimum expectation be that they give 100% on the pitch to any new manager at least until a reasonable number of games have been played and they have proven to be hopeless. 

Just as well the Arsenal Invincibles didn't think the same of Arsene Wenger, with his lack of playing experience and Frenchness ...

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

When should Dragan start to be criticised? At the end of the day he is the owner and chairman, surely he should take some responsibility now? 

He's just as culpable as the rest of SR. More so probably for allowing the absolute shitshow play out. Not sure why he gets a free pass from this.

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

I thought the same. What also concerns me is that the implication here is that the players were not playing to their maximum because they didn't respect the manager.

I know its terribly naive but given the amount they are paid shouldn't the minimum expectation be that they give 100% on the pitch to any new manager at least until a reasonable number of games have been played and they have proven to be hopeless. 

Just as well the Arsenal Invincibles didn't think the same of Arsene Wenger, with his lack of playing experience and Frenchness ...

That also tells me there is no one in the dressing room holding the others accountable. A strong dressing room like we’ve had in the past would have players sorting out the underperformers regardless of who the manager was. When we had the lies of Steven and Kelvin Davis, Romeu, Bertrand, even Shane Long they wouldn’t have let players down tools. They didn’t like Puel by all accounts but we still finished 8th and got to a cup final. We lack leaders on the pitch, Romeu is a step in the right direction and we certainly have lacked them for years off it

[Dusic]

Per @MB :

O'Leary situation hasn't progressed afrer initial contact.

Steve McClaren has big support in the boadroom and keen on the role so one to watch now for sure.

Per Frandsen also been spoken to this week.

[Football Special]

10 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

Imagine being one of the managers interviewed so far and then reading that, safe to say none of them are being offered the job (if we did indeed speak to some managers) 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

Imagine being one of the managers interviewed so far and then reading that, safe to say none of them are being offered the job (if we did indeed speak to some managers) 

Even worse, imagine their reaction when we go back to speak to them in a couple of weeks...

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, VectisSaint said:

Don't we still use the Black Box? I thought they just pressed the 'Next Manager' button and up popped the primary candidate.

 

Not heard that mention for a long time. Perhaps we sold that to Liverpool too? They used to make a big thing about having a constant, updated list of possible appointments in all positions didn’t they?

This isn’t Ted Lasso and SR haven’t bought the club to destroy it. I am sure everyone from Dragan down is very unhappy about the direction of travel. But we aren’t the only club whose supporters feel have been let down by the owners, coaches, players. Getting the chemistry right is not easy, as we have seen for a while now. Everyone wants a quality, consistent goalscorer, midfield general, centre half goalkeeper and, not least, a manager/coach who can turn things around and make the club successful.

Yep, stating the bleedin’ obvious. But we don’t have a divine right for these things and if we don’t achieve them, it doesn’t mean that the people making the decisions are making poor ones deliberately and aren’t feeling the same frustrations that we are.

My hope is that SR use this season to get the club where it needs to be to not only make a good fist of promotion next season, but have the basics in place to stay up and thrive.

Whether they will succeed, God only knows. But isn’t it all about the journey rather than reaching the destination? 

(Ok, desperately looking for a silver lining)
 

 

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Per @MB :

O'Leary situation hasn't progressed afrer initial contact.

Steve McClaren has big support in the boadroom and keen on the role so one to watch now for sure.

Per Frandsen also been spoken to this week.

What’s Big Ron up too? He’s a character and would sort out the dressing room. 

[lambtiss]

21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That also tells me there is no one in the dressing room holding the others accountable. A strong dressing room like we’ve had in the past would have players sorting out the underperformers regardless of who the manager was. When we had the lies of Steven and Kelvin Davis, Romeu, Bertrand, even Shane Long they wouldn’t have let players down tools. They didn’t like Puel by all accounts but we still finished 8th and got to a cup final. We lack leaders on the pitch, Romeu is a step in the right direction and we certainly have lacked them for years off it

Hopefully, the recruitment of Romeu is a sign that the Board has realised the lack of leaders or perhaps, more correctly, a lack of positive leaders as the lack of respect for Still suggests there are negative leaders.

My fear is that the Board has signed Romeu as a PR exercise 

[saintant]

28 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Per @MB :

O'Leary situation hasn't progressed afrer initial contact.

Steve McClaren has big support in the boadroom and keen on the role so one to watch now for sure.

Per Frandsen also been spoken to this week.

I'm hoping this is a joke. If there is one sure way to lose the majority of the fan base it's to appoint this guy.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

I'm hoping this is a joke. If there is one sure way to lose the majority of the fan base it's to appoint this guy.

*Sports Republic over the next 3 games*

[AlexLaw76]

"Next 3 games" part...well, it's only a week and after no standout candidates have been sighted, what are they hoping to achieve over the next 8-9 days or so?

Well, other than praying TE does enough to justify giving him the job.

[goodymatt]

Yeah seems pretty clear that the ‘pessimistic’ view of Eckert always being their preference will turn out to be the reality. Either that or just waiting it out for a decent option to become available and avoid paying compensation. 

When Norwich are appointing higher calibre mangers than us when they have no parachute payments and are in the relegation zone, it shines a light on the mindset of SR. Always trying to be too clever and find upsides from investments, rather than make the sensible decisions in the here and now to be as competitive as we can be.

Emotional attachment keeps my interest but in any other hobby I’d be checking out!

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Not heard that mention for a long time. Perhaps we sold that to Liverpool too? They used to make a big thing about having a constant, updated list of possible appointments in all positions didn’t they?

This isn’t Ted Lasso and SR haven’t bought the club to destroy it. I am sure everyone from Dragan down is very unhappy about the direction of travel. But we aren’t the only club whose supporters feel have been let down by the owners, coaches, players. Getting the chemistry right is not easy, as we have seen for a while now. Everyone wants a quality, consistent goalscorer, midfield general, centre half goalkeeper and, not least, a manager/coach who can turn things around and make the club successful.

Yep, stating the bleedin’ obvious. But we don’t have a divine right for these things and if we don’t achieve them, it doesn’t mean that the people making the decisions are making poor ones deliberately and aren’t feeling the same frustrations that we are.

My hope is that SR use this season to get the club where it needs to be to not only make a good fist of promotion next season, but have the basics in place to stay up and thrive.

Whether they will succeed, God only knows. But isn’t it all about the journey rather than reaching the destination? 

(Ok, desperately looking for a silver lining)
 

 

 Not when then I’m giving them a shitload of cash to watch fucking shite last season and this.

They’re taking the fucking piss.

[sockeye]

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[AlexLaw76]