James Ward-Prowse

[Ted Bates Statue]

I'm doing mental gymnastics to see how he could be persuaded to stay. Perhaps he could do what Niemi did, stay and see how we get on until January. By that point we would have an idea if we're in the hunt for promotion, if it looks like we're drifting then he moves on, fair enough.

[Lord Duckhunter]

53 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

If this is a comparison thread between Lavia and JWP, they aren't comparable they are 2 different types of midfielders.

There wasn’t a comparison, just a claim that JWP is a class above. Mo Salah is a class above Bazuma despite being different type of players. JWP is not a class above Lavia. 

[egg]

15 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I'm doing mental gymnastics to see how he could be persuaded to stay. Perhaps he could do what Niemi did, stay and see how we get on until January. By that point we would have an idea if we're in the hunt for promotion, if it looks like we're drifting then he moves on, fair enough.

The starting point is a premier league willing to pay what we want who'll play him regularly. Other than West Ham after rice leaves, who would that be? If there's no buyer, there's no persuading to be done. 

[Convict Colony]

35 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There wasn’t a comparison, just a claim that JWP is a class above. Mo Salah is a class above Bazuma despite being different type of players. JWP is not a class above Lavia. 

yeah fair - Lavia today is a great press resistant midfielder, JWP is a world class free kick taker and a good assist player - this season i'd say they are the same.

Lavia is on his way to the stars though like Bale in my opinion.

[Tom]

I see he did an interview with Adam Blackmore today and said it would be "unprofessional" for him to discuss his future.... 

Theres nothing "unprofessional" about saying he wants to stay or he isn't going anywhere; neither of which he said! So, he's off then!

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

He clearly prefers the “behind closed doors” route.

That’s refreshing. Then again he’s hardly going to go “It’s a shitshow, I want out”.

I don’t think he’ll force a move. I think he’d be open to leaving but not in a desperate way. 
He won’t stick around if we’re in the Championship the following season though.

[ErwinK1961]

He’s not staying, he’s had a move agreed for a while. Not sure why some think he’s going to stay.

[SNSUN]

Pointless though testimonials are in the current rich man's game, I assume JWP will get one? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

40 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

He’s not staying, he’s had a move agreed for a while. Not sure why some think he’s going to stay.

Where to?

[egg]

44 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

He’s not staying, he’s had a move agreed for a while. Not sure why some think he’s going to stay.

West Ham? Newcastle? 

[AlexLaw76]

Nutters who think JwP will be a saints player next season.

Not a chance what so ever.

[niceandfriendly]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nutters who think JwP will be a saints player next season.

Not a chance what so ever.

[nuttermodeon] It's unlikely but not completely out of the question that he gives us half a season to see how we're doing. Other relegated clubs before us have occasionally held onto their better players for a season. Would be a massive coup for us if we manage it. [/nuttermodeoff]

[egg]

31 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Nutters who think JwP will be a saints player next season.

Not a chance what so ever.

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

Edited 26 May, 2023 by egg

[niceandfriendly]

20 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

Palace, Everton, even Brentford could have a go. Villa? Brighton, Spurs. Plenty of options where he'd play regularly. Just hoping that he decides to give it a go with us and bounce right back.

Edited 26 May, 2023 by niceandfriendly

[westmidlandsaint]

The question might be whether the club want him to stay. If correct that he has no relegation wage reduction clause the club maybe banking on selling him to offset some of the losses. The sales of Lavia, JWP, ABK, KWP plus a few others should help to balance loss of PL revenue but allow us to rebuild. 

Has a relegated club ever recouped £100m in the first transfer window after relegation?

[Sussex_saint]

I think the club will demand an ridiculous price - something that only a few teams could afford. If he does go, the club will want a shit tonne of money for him. Tbh I wouldnt be surprised if he stays for another year when we try and do a Burnley, then let him go if promotion fails. 

[The Kraken]

46 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll ask again. Who's buying him and playing him regularly? I can't see beyond West Ham, or Newcastle at a push. I suspect he'd take either, but if they don't come knocking, where's he going and being a starter? 

Personally I think he’s off to Newcastle, I think he’s a good fit there. West Ham also as you mentioned, I could even see someone like Tottenham or Liverpool going for him, albeit in much more of a squad role (Tottenham are a bit of a mess, Liverpool look like losing their all-rounder in Milner with Henderson only getting older, I could see JWP slotting in there).

Ultimately it comes down to price of fee and his wages. I believe JWP has many years left on his deal with us, so the club are in a reasonable place with that. But a big transfer fee (and wages) for a player who will turn 29 this year will put a few clubs off. I can’t see any scenario where he stays with us though, despite the fact that his destination market is pretty limited.

[egg]

31 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said:

Palace, Everton, even Brentford could have a go. Villa? Brighton, Spurs. Plenty of options where he'd play regularly. Just hoping that he decides to give it a go with us and bounce right back.

True. For some reason I keep thinking of him upgrading from us as a premier league club and need to remind myself that any premier league club is an upgrade!

If he's gonna uproot his family, I hope he does it properly and goes for the monster wages, signing on fee and champions league football he'll get at Newcastle. I'd be disappointed for him if he ended up at Palace or Brentford. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Personally I think he’s off to Newcastle, I think he’s a good fit there. West Ham also as you mentioned, I could even see someone like Tottenham or Liverpool going for him, albeit in much more of a squad role (Tottenham are a bit of a mess, Liverpool look like losing their all-rounder in Milner with Henderson only getting older, I could see JWP slotting in there).

Ultimately it comes down to price of fee and his wages. I believe JWP has many years left on his deal with us, so the club are in a reasonable place with that. But a big transfer fee (and wages) for a player who will turn 29 this year will put a few clubs off. I can’t see any scenario where he stays with us though, despite the fact that his destination market is pretty limited.

Our posts crossed! Newcastle would be a great move for him. Champions league, playing in a time not fighting at the bottom, etc. I could see a squad role at lots of clubs, but he's a workhorse and if hate to see him go and do a Kalvin Phillips somewhere. The Newcastle fans would love him. 

[Pilchards]

Reckon he will be back with Saints in the future as a manager.

Level headed, got the right attitude and clearly will always love the club.

Just wish people would stop giving him a hard time on here due to having shit managers coaching him which stopped his development further.

[Sunglasses Ron]

Forest perhaps might not be a bad shout for him?

[alehouseboys]

Not necessarily true of course, but…
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-transfer-ward-prowse-bridges-26981827.amp

Wherever he goes he will go down as a great servant to SFC and wish him well.

Only 3 good things off of portsea island:

1: JWP

2: Bobby Stokes

3: The M275

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Our posts crossed! Newcastle would be a great move for him. Champions league, playing in a time not fighting at the bottom, etc. I could see a squad role at lots of clubs, but he's a workhorse and if hate to see him go and do a Kalvin Phillips somewhere. The Newcastle fans would love him. 

Limited value to Newcastle though surely? Not better than Bruno or Joelinton for the roles they perform, and they have Trippier for set pieces.

Edited 26 May, 2023 by Saint86

[Mosin]

15 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Limited value to Newcastle though surely? Not better than Bruno or Joelinton for the roles they perform, and they have Trippier for set pieces.

Wouldn't he slot next to bruno instead of one of longstaff or willock? In the 433 formation they play?  

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Forest perhaps might not be a bad shout for him?

Its a really shit move for him, much like suggestions of Palace, Everton and even Villa / Brighton are. He's a big fish in a small pond here. Villa aside, he wouldn't be significantly increasing his salary by moving to any of those clubs and might get the odd season in the europa / conference league.  

A move to any of those clubs would literally be just to play in the PL - he's swapping being the captain and poster boy for the PL. I don't see any of them buying him either, given the price we'd demand. 

I've said before, I might be biased, but genuinely I think he'd be better off sticking around 1 extra year to try and get us back, than join any of those clubs.. Like Grealish did at Villa. 

He'd fit in well at Newcastle (for now), he's a typical Eddie Howe type of player and would get minutes due to the additional demand of the CL. However, when Eddie gets the boot, he would fade away into obscurity. There's no longevity at Newcastle. 

He's a bang average mid-table PL player, he suits us. 

[The Kraken]

57 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Limited value to Newcastle though surely? Not better than Bruno or Joelinton for the roles they perform, and they have Trippier for set pieces.

Completely different player to both Bruno and Joe Linton. Probably more similar to Longstaff, or maybe Willock. Newcastle have some great players but probably are a bit light in holding midfield. Declan Rice would be their ideal choice but I can’t see him going there so JWP might be a good one for them for a season or two until they can attract some really big names.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Completely different player to both Bruno and Joe Linton. Probably more similar to Longstaff, or maybe Willock. Newcastle have some great players but probably are a bit light in holding midfield. Declan Rice would be their ideal choice but I can’t see him going there so JWP might be a good one for them for a season or two until they can attract some really big names.

Without trying to spark the debate again, but failing Rice would Phillips not be a better option? For me he would (if he can stay fit). More longevity there and for me, he is a genuine top 6 player. 

Edited 26 May, 2023 by Dman

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

Without trying to spark the debate again, but failing Rice would Phillips not be a better option? For me he would (if he can stay fit). More longevity there and for me, he is a genuine top 6 player. 

I think Phillips is a better player, certainly. Whether Newcastle can get him and afford his wages, don’t know. It would be a better signing but not sure if I see it happening.

[Sunglasses Ron]

17 minutes ago, Dman said:

Its a really shit move for him, much like suggestions of Palace, Everton and even Villa / Brighton are. He's a big fish in a small pond here. Villa aside, he wouldn't be significantly increasing his salary by moving to any of those clubs and might get the odd season in the europa / conference league.  

A move to any of those clubs would literally be just to play in the PL - he's swapping being the captain and poster boy for the PL. I don't see any of them buying him either, given the price we'd demand. 

I've said before, I might be biased, but genuinely I think he'd be better off sticking around 1 extra year to try and get us back, than join any of those clubs.. Like Grealish did at Villa. 

He'd fit in well at Newcastle (for now), he's a typical Eddie Howe type of player and would get minutes due to the additional demand of the CL. However, when Eddie gets the boot, he would fade away into obscurity. There's no longevity at Newcastle. 

He's a bang average mid-table PL player, he suits us. 

I guess what I'm saying is that Forest might be the type of club that would be willing to stump up the kind of money we would demand (they have form for it, plus are paying Lingard an absolute fortune in wages).  I'd personally like him to stay, but not convinced there's much chance of that. 

[Saint86]

38 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Completely different player to both Bruno and Joe Linton. Probably more similar to Longstaff, or maybe Willock. Newcastle have some great players but probably are a bit light in holding midfield. Declan Rice would be their ideal choice but I can’t see him going there so JWP might be a good one for them for a season or two until they can attract some really big names.

JWP's strengths aren't holding midfield though - he's better as all round central midfielder or playing further forward. He's played there for us because needs must (alternatives being diallo or AMN). If a team is out for a holding/defensive midfielder they shouldn't be going all out for JWP imo given what we'll ask. Newcastle already have Bruno and Joelinton as CMs, yes they are different players, but i can't see the value for Newcastle in signing JWP when they already have two very good central midfielders. I agree though, they might well go out and sign a ready made holding midfielder - like philips or say... lavia.

Edited 26 May, 2023 by Saint86

[HKsaint]

Is it possible for JWP to have a  loan move next season and  then come back when we return to the premier leagues after next season? 

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, HKsaint said:

Is it possible for JWP to have a  loan move next season and  then come back when we return to the premier leagues after next season? 

I'd thought this, maybe a team in Europe who need squad depth for league matches, because they'd be able to afford his wages, but aren't outlaying a substantial fee for someone who wouldn't have a re-sale value. Then if we aren't promoted, we look to move him on.

[DT]

Feels nailed on for him to go to Spurs to be with his bestie Fraser Forster. That and they like players like JWP (style over substance, generally, but pretty damned good for a season back there with Oriel to do the hard stuff next to him). Takes a good free-kick, but can't get hold of a game and boss it. Hope we can still get top dollar for him by playing the show-reel and editing out the crab-like side to sides.

[Convict Colony]

JWP is too slow for a team that expects to be in the top 6.

[Maggie May]

I think he’ll be at Villa next season.  Big investment this summer and a great manager. 

[Mosin]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

JWP is too slow for a team that expects to be in the top 6.

Is Gundogan not just as slow as JWP? he doesnt do to bad at city. didnt he get a brace againts Real too? Busquets at Barca - Jorginho also says hi - Toni Kroos is slow as hell too

Muller doesnt do to bad at bayern either.

[LiberalCommunist]

Yep. £40M, big enough for us to be content & their fans to hate him after a few months.

I like James, but he's a highlight reel player. He'll be under a microscope day one. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

23 minutes ago, Mosin said:

Is Gundogan not just as slow as JWP? he doesnt do to bad at city. didnt he get a brace againts Real too? Busquets at Barca - Jorginho also says hi - Toni Kroos is slow as hell too

Muller doesnt do to bad at bayern either.

I wouldn't put JWP in quite the same bracket as those players!

[Mosin]

24 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I wouldn't put JWP in quite the same bracket as those players!

That wasnt the point being made, i quote " JWP is too slow for a team that expects to be in the top 6." those i mentioned are all just as slow as JWP, some was considered the best in the world when in top form. and tbh, JWP makes top 6 creators whilst playing at Saints with a team mostly devoid of any footballing talent, If you dont think he would perform even better with a team full of much better players, well thats upto you.

Some thing tells me, JWP playing with out the pressure of the whole club on him, and with a team full of players expected to win games on their own and not him tells me he would perform far better at a club like United / Liverpool / City / Newcastle / gunners and chelsea where he would have far far more belief in those around him it would free teh shackles he has to wear playing DM at Saints.
 

Edited 26 May, 2023 by Mosin

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, Mosin said:

That wasnt the point being made, i quote " JWP is too slow for a team that expects to be in the top 6." those i mentioned are all just as slow as JWP, some was considered the best in the world when in top form. and tbh, JWP makes top 6 creators whilst playing at Saints with a team mostly devoid of any footballing talent, If you dont think he would perform even better with a team full of much better players, well thats upto you.
 

JWP is too slow and is not an elite footballer like those you mentioned to make up for it.

 

[stknowle]

4 hours ago, HKsaint said:

Is it possible for JWP to have a  loan move next season and  then come back when we return to the premier leagues after next season? 

I'd put that in the possible but quite unlikely category HK my old pal.

Edited 26 May, 2023 by stknowle

[Saint Gifford]

Perhaps needs a move if he has any hope of an England call up.

Close a few times, but as posters say Tripper probably aces him for set pieces.

A move will either make or break his career I guess. 
 

[Jonnyboy]

He's almost past it now, it's a real shame he didn't break the free kick record whilst at Saints. He had plenty of time these last 3 months. A turd cherry on top of a shit heap of a season. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

He's too slow...he's a highlight reel player...he's past it...

Looking forward to the he should pack it in...we can't keep carrying him...isn't it time he retired...posts. 🙂

Just bracing ourselves for rejection a bit.

[Chez]

11 hours ago, Dman said:

Its a really shit move for him, much like suggestions of Palace, Everton and even Villa / Brighton are. He's a big fish in a small pond here. Villa aside, he wouldn't be significantly increasing his salary by moving to any of those clubs and might get the odd season in the europa / conference league.  

A move to any of those clubs would literally be just to play in the PL - he's swapping being the captain and poster boy for the PL. I don't see any of them buying him either, given the price we'd demand. 

I've said before, I might be biased, but genuinely I think he'd be better off sticking around 1 extra year to try and get us back, than join any of those clubs.. Like Grealish did at Villa. 

He'd fit in well at Newcastle (for now), he's a typical Eddie Howe type of player and would get minutes due to the additional demand of the CL. However, when Eddie gets the boot, he would fade away into obscurity. There's no longevity at Newcastle. 

He's a bang average mid-table PL player, he suits us. 

I struggle to agree with most of your post.

Any move he makes will earn him about £2.5m a year more than at our place. If that is not a significant increase in salary, I don't know what is.

"just to play in thePL". What do you mean `just'. That's what professional footballers strive for their whole lives to play at the top level. It's not a small thing.

Captaincy is not the be all and end all. Being a poster boy is great, bit so too is playing in a side going somewhere, with top quality players that may elevate your game.

You might be right about him going nowhere, but who knows what our price is and whether it presents value elsewhere.

He wont be better off staying here. Not in a financial or footballing sense. 

`He'd fit in well at Newcastle' but he is `bang average mid table PL player'?  Tell me how that works.

 

[Chez]

11 hours ago, Dman said:

Without trying to spark the debate again, but failing Rice would Phillips not be a better option? For me he would (if he can stay fit). More longevity there and for me, he is a genuine top 6 player. 

different type. Phillips is much more dynamic. He's all about the high energy press, hassling opponents, preventing them settling. JWP doesn't cover the ground quickly enough or get close enough to opponents to do that job. JWP more of a crab, get it and move it on type. He keeps things ticking over. Not sure which Newcastle need more.  

[Guest]

My opinion of him has dropped significantly in the last couple of days.

Not because of real world stuff, but because he’s kicking off a stink in the dressing room on my FM save.

Transfer window has just slammed shut as I begin my fourth season and he is angry that we “haven’t got enough depth at LB” despite having three and the fact we’re in the Champions League.

Apologies James, that Aaron Hickey, James Justin and Juan Larios are not good enough cover for you.

Ungrateful sod.

[East Kent Saint]

So far he's been linked with Spurs , West Ham , Newcastle , Villa , so fair chance he'll stay in the Prem . Of course these may be no more than being on these club's list of english players to keep their home grown players % in the limits .

[Convict Colony]

6 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

My opinion of him has dropped significantly in the last couple of days.

Not because of real world stuff, but because he’s kicking off a stink in the dressing room on my FM save.

Transfer window has just slammed shut as I begin my fourth season and he is angry that we “haven’t got enough depth at LB” despite having three and the fact we’re in the Champions League.

Apologies James, that Aaron Hickey, James Justin and Juan Larios are not good enough cover for you.

Ungrateful sod.

hahahahahhahaha legit - now spend today playing russell martin tactics with his assumed squad for next year and let us know how we get on.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

hahahahahhahaha legit - now spend today playing russell martin tactics with his assumed squad for next year and let us know how we get on.

12th placed finish, 6th place finish, 3rd place finish on GD (three points separated 3rd to 8th).

But no, three fucking LB’s isn’t enough for him.

Might just demote him. 🤣