James Ward-Prowse

[Chez]

52 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

I thought it was published that Prowsey was someone who didn't have a relegation salary cut in his contract.

Not seen that published, but equally I think there has just been a blanket statement that players have a 40% cut and there could be exceptions. I doubt it in JWP's case. No way are Saints tying themselves to a £100k+ a week contract through 2026 without a relegation clause.

[SotonianWill]

On 06/06/2023 at 09:21, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

A midfield of JWP and Hojbjerg

god they’ll be tackling each other trying to get the best distance covered and completed passes stats. Gotta love XG.

[ErwinK1961]

2 hours ago, david in sweden said:

I thought it was published that Prowsey was someone who didn't have a relegation salary cut in his contract.

It was published that he doesn’t have a minimum fee release clause on relegation, not that he doesn’t have a wage reduction.

[hypochondriac]

I'd take 40 million for jwp personally. I can't see us selling for anything less. 

[Micky]

Would like to see him go to Liverpool where he might only be a bit part player, but he'd have a decent chance of winning something.  West Ham have won their 40 year trophy so can't see them winning anything again anytime soon. 

[farawaysaint]

On 11/06/2023 at 17:23, teamsaint said:

Liverpool hoping to get him on the cheap ?

 

£25m is laughable at todays prices, obviously.
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12181519/Liverpool-happy-hold-James-Ward-Prowse-Southampton-50m-asking-price.html

Why on earth would we have to drop our asking price like they say? Load of rubbish, £50mi or jog on. 

[Chez]

19 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd take 40 million for jwp personally. I can't see us selling for anything less. 

Can you see us selling for anything more?

I guess I am struggling to see him as a premium Prem player and thus don't see us getting £50m. But maybe he is that (a premium Prem palyer), or close enough to justify that huge price tag?

...I am struggling to convince myself as I type this. 

I wonder what fans of other Prem sides think of him and value him. When Liverpool, Newcastle, Wolves, spurs or West Ham fans see themselves linked with him, do they think, `Brilliant player. He'll improve us. £50m seems about right. Get him in quick'?

  

Edited 13 June, 2023 by Chez

[Convict Colony]

To be honest unless your midfield needs a ball recycler who is an expert with the deadball then he is a luxury player for most teams who dont have much cash to waste.

Can see West Ham happening for 35-40m with the Rice money, not really sure where else they would need someone like him for that amount of cash spare.

I suppose this window will truly show us how much of a good player he is or isnt by how many clubs come in for him.

Edited 13 June, 2023 by Convict Colony

[ooh it's a corner]

16 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

To be honest unless your midfield needs a ball recycler who is an expert with the deadball then he is a luxury player for most teams who dont have much cash to waste.

Can see West Ham happening for 35-40m with the Rice money, not really sure where else they would need someone like him for that amount of cash spare.

I suppose this window will truly show us how much of a good player he is or isnt by how many clubs come in for him.

I think the fact he is still here and hasn't been poached already probably answers your last point.

We don't hang onto our best players if a bigger club wants them. Maybe that has changed under SR ownership, but I suspect JWP still being a Saints player is as much a reflection of other teams' opinion of him, and the perceived value for money versus impact on their squads.

[verlaine1979]

He's a slow terrier who hits a great free kick but is otherwise fairly conventional in his passing. That's why he never nailed down an England place (a team that has generally prioritised physicality) and why he's never been poached by a more technical team competing in the Champions League. Free kicks are his only elite skill - everything else is just pretty good.

[edprice1984]

Best mate is a Liverpool supporter and we were discussing the Mail 'article'. He agrees its just utter bullshit and pointless filler. We all know if someone comes in for JWP with a bid of £45-£50m he will go. No less than that unless he properly kicked up a fuss, and to be fair he doesn't seem the type. No one would begrudge a move, but if he stays and takes us back up - club legend status would be secured and I don't think he would ever leave. 

 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Chez said:

Can you see us selling for anything more?

I guess I am struggling to see him as a premium Prem player and thus don't see us getting £50m. But maybe he is that (a premium Prem palyer), or close enough to justify that huge price tag?

...I am struggling to convince myself as I type this. 

I wonder what fans of other Prem sides think of him and value him. When Liverpool, Newcastle, Wolves, spurs or West Ham fans see themselves linked with him, do they think, `Brilliant player. He'll improve us. £50m seems about right. Get him in quick'?

  

I don't think he's worth that much given his age. In the plus column he's English, our captain, a model professional, probably the best free kick taker in the world, plays virtually every game and has scored more than ten goals for the last two years in a team that creates nothing. I think we would have possibly looked for 45 had we stayed up but given our relegation, I think we will accept 40 or 35 with achievable addons. 

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

He's a slow terrier who hits a great free kick but is otherwise fairly conventional in his passing. That's why he never nailed down an England place (a team that has generally prioritised physicality) and why he's never been poached by a more technical team competing in the Champions League. Free kicks are his only elite skill - everything else is just pretty good.

Hard to argue with that tbf. Annoyingly I think he'd be really good under the system that's going to be employed under Martin. 

Edited 13 June, 2023 by hypochondriac

[a1ex2001]

2 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

He's a slow terrier who hits a great free kick but is otherwise fairly conventional in his passing. That's why he never nailed down an England place (a team that has generally prioritised physicality) and why he's never been poached by a more technical team competing in the Champions League. Free kicks are his only elite skill - everything else is just pretty good.

Totally agree, he is a brilliant player for a club at our level but clearly isn’t on the big boys radar or he would have been long gone.

These media stories are just noise to fill pages and get clicks in reality JWP will go for mid to high 30’s to a decent but not stellar club like West Ham/Spurs.  The absolute best he could hope for is a bit part player at Liverpool purely because they are in such dire need of midfielders this summer.

[Chez]

3 hours ago, ooh it's a corner said:

I think the fact he is still here and hasn't been poached already probably answers your last point.

We don't hang onto our best players if a bigger club wants them. Maybe that has changed under SR ownership, but I suspect JWP still being a Saints player is as much a reflection of other teams' opinion of him, and the perceived value for money versus impact on their squads.

Villa offered £25m in 2021. Maybe that was their maximum budget at the time, but not exactly a ringing endorsement. He's had two `impressive' seasons since in terms of goals.

[James G]

Statistically, Southampton are high up in the fouls received list, so JWP gets more chances to have a go at goal from free kicks. Spurs, Liverpool and West Ham are not good teams for his strengths and stats.

He is, also, overvalued at 50m.

[Mosin]

On 13/06/2023 at 21:13, James G said:

Statistically, Southampton are high up in the fouls received list, so JWP gets more chances to have a go at goal from free kicks. Spurs, Liverpool and West Ham are not good teams for his strengths and stats.

He is, also, overvalued at 50m.

Dont remember us being forward that much to win free kicks in shooting range, he managed to score 3 free kicks which is more than any other player managed.

We was also the 15th most fouled team in the league, so more one of the least fouled than most fouled?

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

 

[James G]

On 15/06/2023 at 11:20, Mosin said:

Dont remember us being forward that much to win free kicks in shooting range, he managed to score 3 free kicks which is more than any other player managed.

We was also the 15th most fouled team in the league, so more one of the least fouled than most fouled?

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

 

Yeah, it's all odd, but JWP plays well because Southampton get fouled alot, but from Southampton's perspective they should aim to not get fouled as it breaks up play. From JWPs perspective, one of his big plusses is his free kicks so a team on the most fouled list is not a bad option

[suewhistle]

Teams did learn to foul higher up the pitch though...

I still think he would be of considerable value to a better team. One thing I've noticed over many years is that the better players are always moving into space to support others, and when a team is playing badly with confidence shot this doesn't occur. But JWP has always worked his socks off and I've often been surprised where he has popped up to offer himself for the ball. No pace to chase a break, but he does his job well, even if the movement around him hasn't been great.

[vectraman]

Kulusevski Aged 23 and a very decent player has signed for spurs for £25 million. Can’t see JWP being worth double that 😬

[Osvaldorama]

On 15/06/2023 at 11:20, Mosin said:

Dont remember us being forward that much to win free kicks in shooting range, he managed to score 3 free kicks which is more than any other player managed.

We was also the 15th most fouled team in the league, so more one of the least fouled than most fouled?

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

 

As usual people on here looking for any excuse to slate JWP when in reality he is our best player 

[qwertyell]

27 minutes ago, vectraman said:

Kulusevski Aged 23 and a very decent player has signed for spurs for £25 million. Can’t see JWP being worth double that 😬

Spurs had already agreed the fee 18 months ago as part of his loan - agreed when he was a reserve player at Juve.

[maysie]

4 hours ago, James G said:

Yeah, it's all odd, but JWP plays well because Southampton get fouled alot, but from Southampton's perspective they should aim to not get fouled as it breaks up play. From JWPs perspective, one of his big plusses is his free kicks so a team on the most fouled list is not a bad option

Are you not a Saints fan? You say Southampton instead of us…

[Billy the Kidd]

8 hours ago, maysie said:

Are you not a Saints fan? You say Southampton instead of us…

Wouldn’t he need to say ‘we and our’?

[SotonianWill]

8 hours ago, maysie said:

Are you not a Saints fan? You say Southampton instead of us…

should just call them the shits, I wouldn’t want to associate myself with this team either. 

[Chez]

9 hours ago, qwertyell said:

Spurs had already agreed the fee 18 months ago as part of his loan - agreed when he was a reserve player at Juve.

which included a £10m loan fee for the last 18months. 

[Guest]

JWP will be a part of the kit launch (not ITK, just gut feeling).

Side note, I still don’t think he’ll be leaving.

Happy Mondays 😁

[thornhill_saints]

2023/24 Home Kit Launch | Southampton FC Official Site

 

 

[farawaysaint]

On 17/06/2023 at 23:39, Osvaldorama said:

As usual people on here looking for any excuse to slate JWP when in reality he is our best player 

Agreed, love Prowsey. Our best player is a wonderfully low bar right now though. 

[hypochondriac]

Do you think he's going to give us a year? Seems quite idiotic to use him in the marketing if he leaves in a few weeks. 

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Do you think he's going to give us a year? Seems quite idiotic to use him in the marketing if he leaves in a few weeks. 

I think all we can read into it is that any deal for him to leave isn't anywhere near close. I don't think it rules out a move, just that it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

I think all we can read into it is that any deal for him to leave isn't anywhere near close. I don't think it rules out a move, just that it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

But surely he must have made them believe there was at least a possibility that he will stay? 

[Dusic]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

I think all we can read into it is that any deal for him to leave isn't anywhere near close. I don't think it rules out a move, just that it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

It would have been pictured ages ago. I would say it has little to no impact on a move.

I am certain he will leave if an acceptable offer is made and that could go all the way to the deadline in reality.

Edited 19 June, 2023 by Dusic

[Lighthouse]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Do you think he's going to give us a year? Seems quite idiotic to use him in the marketing if he leaves in a few weeks. 

I’d be surprised if they didn’t have plenty more modelling photos from across the squad, for just such an eventuality. Whilst he’s our player, and none of them are guaranteed to stay anyway, I think it’d be idiotic NOT to use our go-to poster boy. It’d only fuel speculation about his future.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I’d be surprised if they didn’t have plenty more modelling photos from across the squad, for just such an eventuality. Whilst he’s our player, and none of them are guaranteed to stay anyway, I think it’d be idiotic NOT to use our go-to poster boy. It’d only fuel speculation about his future.

Its universally expected that he'll leave though. I'm not sure there can be any more speculation on his future.

That being said, I think we're in a position where practically every single player in the club could leave, so I guess they had to use someone. 

[miserableoldgit]

On 18/06/2023 at 08:25, Billy the Kidd said:

Wouldn’t he need to say ‘we and our’?

It must be the mad Welshman!!🙂

[Guest]

4 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

JWP will be a part of the kit launch (not ITK, just gut feeling).

Side note, I still don’t think he’ll be leaving.

Happy Mondays 😁

Oh would you believe it, what a shock 🙄

[ErwinK1961]

1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Oh would you believe it, what a shock 🙄

Yep, captain modelling new kit shocker.

Ings modelled a kit before he left, means nothing.

[Winnersaint]

Are people that naive? I mean he was modelling last seasons kit around the same time and if the right offer had come in during lasts summer's transfer window, he'd have been off.

[waylander]

Nothing will happen about a JWP move until Declan Rice's transfer plays out

[Dman]

Newcastle targeting Tonali from AC Milan... JWP starting to run out of options? Villa / West Ham likely to be only viable options at this stage..?

[Wade Garrett]

7 minutes ago, Dman said:

Newcastle targeting Tonali from AC Milan... JWP starting to run out of options? Villa / West Ham likely to be only viable options at this stage..?

I think Villa are happy with their midfield.  Can’t see him going there as a squad player.

[once_bitterne]

On 18/06/2023 at 08:25, Billy the Kidd said:

Wouldn’t he need to say ‘we and our’?

They and them?

[once_bitterne]

On 19/06/2023 at 08:49, FarehamSaintJames said:

JWP will be a part of the kit launch (not ITK, just gut feeling).

Side note, I still don’t think he’ll be leaving.

Happy Mondays 😁

I think the club very much wants him to leave and needs the cash after relegation last seasons insane £160m+ transfer fee alone spending spree.

At this stage of his career, JWP feels very much like he'll be a £30m tops panic buy for some PL club on 1st September.

[east-stand-nic]

I think one of the main reasons, if not the main reason is that PL clubs just don't agree with his SFC valuation. He simply is not that good, despite what many think. That is why there is no queue of clubs after him at 40-50m at this time. Yeah, someone might panic buy later in the window, but right now no one will pay that kind of money for him.

[Sussex_saint]

Why would the club put him in the kit promo if he is leaving? Seems absurd for a player to model a shirt if they are not going to ever wear it.

[skintsaint]

51 minutes ago, once_bitterne said:

a £30m tops panic buy

A panic buy generally means paying over the top. As we normally do!

[niceandfriendly]

22 minutes ago, Sussex_saint said:

Why would the club put him in the kit promo if he is leaving? Seems absurd for a player to model a shirt if they are not going to ever wear it.

To sell more shirts, one would guess. I hope you’re right and he stays, but him being in the promo is hardly concrete evidence that he’s staying. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

If Pereria leaves Fulham he might be an option for them

[wild-saint]

31 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

I think one of the main reasons, if not the main reason is that PL clubs just don't agree with his SFC valuation. He simply is not that good, despite what many think. That is why there is no queue of clubs after him at 40-50m at this time. Yeah, someone might panic buy later in the window, but right now no one will pay that kind of money for him.

so why havent we sold any of our players yet are they all over priced? or is it more likely that transfer moves will be later down the line ?