Sheff Weds 1-3 Saints - Match Thread

[SNSUN]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Romeu should get more minutes than he does. Still has a football brain and can tackle. He looked good for the 5 minutes he was given.

Tricky when we have 4 CMs other than him, 3 of whom are amongst the best players in our squad and one good up and comer. Rom was signed when Charles was injured, Bragg hadn't featured much and Flynn was shitting through the eye of a needle. It was a good move at the time but now we have the other 4, I don't see him starting much. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Didn't sound convincing, but a win is a win. Even if we had smashed them 6-0 it would still only have been three points.

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Just got home. Meh, not an inspiring performance. Lots of Martin-esque passing around with very little intensity. But we played well enough to beat a very poor side so job done.

Larin had a few good moments but his touch is poor. Should have got that shot on target in the first half.

Manning was fine, because he had very little defending to do on his side so was able to link up well with Leo, who had a fairly quiet game.

Edozie was fairly bright when he came on but really should have done better with that chance or squared it. Poor.

Archer... Jeez. I actually feel sorry for the guy in many ways. He's basically just doing a Downs impression now and it's painful to watch. 

Agree with that, I think Tonda was trying to be too clever again trying to coast through the game with low intensity and you could see players deliberately slowing it down and playing in first gear 

[die Mannyschaft]

Its not really about what Saints do , we can win playing well or badly.  Its all about Wrexham they need to lose 3 or 5 games or draw and lose 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, kwsaint said:

My view of the Saints fans from the North Stand

How did we sound? I was in the lower tier. Sounded alright, I don’t mind the James Bree song, how many years have Liverpool sung that about one of theirs before we got onto it?

a few lads kept singing songs about people being peadophiles and sex offenders which was a bit weird, particularly as one of them was about Barry Bannon who left months ago. Also had a lad near me playing Minecraft on his phone during the first half 🤦

Edited 14 hours ago by Turkish

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Its not really about what Saints do , we can win playing well or badly.  Its all about Wrexham they need to lose 3 or 5 games or draw and lose 

Well it kind of is as we’ve got Wrexham to play, win that and keep this run going then we’ll finish top 6

[Dark Munster]

48 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Didn't sound convincing, but a win is a win. Even if we had smashed them 6-0 it would still only have been three points.

Two words: goal difference.

But yes, 3 points is the main thing.

[Turkish]

50 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Didn't sound convincing, but a win is a win. Even if we had smashed them 6-0 it would still only have been three points.

First half was a stroll in the park they barely got in our half 11 men behind the ball it seemed like their ambition was not to lose by too many. When they scored they had a short period of looking dangerous but once we got the third it was never in doubt. It was convincing in that for 75 minutes they barely laid a glove on us, from the first minute I had no doubt we’d win. Not vintage stuff but a measured performance. 

[Micky]

2 hours ago, kwsaint said:

My view of the Saints fans from the North Stand

I'm in that number, decent turn out today.  We weren't at our best today, but didn't need to be, Wednesday were very poor. We basically controlled the game from start to finish, but in our normal saintsy way, we gave them a sniff through sloppy defending again. The goal against was very poor from us, three bloody headers and it ends up in the net, woeful defending.  Other than that though, we were comfortable for the most part, and really should've won more comfortably.  When Larin was on the pitch he never scored but you could see his contribution to the game, when Archer was on the pitch, well, he was just anonymous.

Given how the teams above us are playing, our present surge in form may have come to late for us to get into the playoffs, either they have to lose form, or we have to beat some of the top teams, ain't gonna be easy. 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Two words: goal difference.

But yes, 3 points is the main thing.

We’ve improved that by 7 this week, so you expect more than that?

[CB Fry]

Wednesday fans excellent, singing all match apart from maybe 20 mins in the first half. Saints end felt quieter than normal but thst happens when the allocation is significantly bigger than normal and spread out over two levels.

I managed to book a terrible seat behind the goal staring directly at the crossbar. Only 3 of the 4 goals were down the other end though 😞

[SNSUN]

21 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Its not really about what Saints do , we can win playing well or badly.  Its all about Wrexham they need to lose 3 or 5 games or draw and lose 

We'll drop points too. WBA will be tricky but they're beatable but after that we have Coventry, a Norwich side bang in form and Ipswich with Oxford in the middle, who aren't giving up the fight. 7 to 9+ points from those and we should still be in the running. Any less and we'll probably fall short even before we reach the Wrexham game. 

My head says we won't make it. The teams above us may drop points but right now they're all in good form themselves. My heart says we can still do it, but it will be close.

One thing today's games have done is probably cut a few of the chasing pack from the race. I think Preston down are probably out the race now, Brum if they don't win their game in hand could be too. I thought Watford would drop a bit but the better Still brother seems to have got them a few results. Derby are still a threat too. But we can only keep trying to win our own games, the rest is out of our hands. 

[die Mannyschaft]

19 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We'll drop points too. WBA will be tricky but they're beatable but after that we have Coventry, a Norwich side bang in form and Ipswich with Oxford in the middle, who aren't giving up the fight. 7 to 9+ points from those and we should still be in the running. Any less and we'll probably fall short even before we reach the Wrexham game. 

My head says we won't make it. The teams above us may drop points but right now they're all in good form themselves. My heart says we can still do it, but it will be close.

One thing today's games have done is probably cut a few of the chasing pack from the race. I think Preston down are probably out the race now, Brum if they don't win their game in hand could be too. I thought Watford would drop a bit but the better Still brother seems to have got them a few results. Derby are still a threat too. But we can only keep trying to win our own games, the rest is out of our hands. 

The 3 teams above us all have winnable games left, even the 3 games v top 6 teams will likely be draws 

[kwsaint]

41 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How did we sound? I was in the lower tier. Sounded alright, I don’t mind the James Bree song, how many years have Liverpool sung that about one of theirs before we got onto it?

a few lads kept singing songs about people being peadophiles and sex offenders which was a bit weird, particularly as one of them was about Barry Bannon who left months ago. Also had a lad near me playing Minecraft on his phone during the first half 🤦

Yeah pretty decent although a chunk of the Wednesday support to my right (your left) were loud all game and drowned out the Saints fans for part of it. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, kwsaint said:

Yeah pretty decent although a chunk of the Wednesday support to my right (your left) were loud all game and drowned out the Saints fans for part of it. 

Ha yes they were decent and sang a lot although Saints fans drowned them out from where I was. What was the song they sang for about 15 minutes just before half time? Sounded like “lovely Wednesday, lovely Wednesday, lovely Wednesday” and then something else, annoying as fuck 😂

[egg]

10 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

The 3 teams above us all have winnable games left, even the 3 games v top 6 teams will likely be draws 

Yep, sadly, they're run ins are favourable. Last week looks costly, but there's loads of points to play for and other teams will have dips, injuries, suspensions etc. It'll be touch and go. 

[Harry_SFC]

13 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

The 3 teams above us all have winnable games left, even the 3 games v top 6 teams will likely be draws 

No chance we finish any higher than sixth now. I thought Hull would drop off but they seem to be nicking the wins even though they're not playing well. 

[Pamplemousse]

Not a great performance but we got the job done, even if it we made it harder for ourselves.

Atmosphere wasn't great, maybe it was down to the fact that it was taking 45 minutes plus to get a pint in the away end!!

[CB Fry]

46 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

The 3 teams above us all have winnable games left, even the 3 games v top 6 teams will likely be draws 

Everyone has got 10/11/12 games to go - how the fuck could they not have some "winnable games" left?

[Turkish]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Everyone has got 10/11/12 games to go - how the fuck could they not have some "winnable games" left?

I’d just like to remind everyone again since I predicted we wouldn’t ever lose a game again we haven’t lost a game 😎

[kwsaint]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ha yes they were decent and sang a lot although Saints fans drowned them out from where I was. What was the song they sang for about 15 minutes just before half time? Sounded like “lovely Wednesday, lovely Wednesday, lovely Wednesday” and then something else, annoying as fuck 😂

Not sure about that one. They kept on singing Hi Ho Sheffield Wednesday which I thought was a Wolves one first. 

Several fans around me became irate at Matsuki which was quite funny.

[macca155]

In March Hull's play Ipswich, Millwall, and Wrexham. That means 3 of the teams above us will drop points.

In addition Millwall play Ipswich, and Middlesbrough. So 2 more teams drop points

Wrexham also play us, let's back ourselves in that one.

As I've said all along keep winning, ugly if necessary, and Saints will be in the play offs. 6 points can disappear easily.

It's not getting there that bothers me it's staying there.

 

[VectisSaint]

49 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

No chance we finish any higher than sixth now. I thought Hull would drop off but they seem to be nicking the wins even though they're not playing well. 

Bit like us then. 

[Jack]

Decent enough result, shit atmosphere and away end. 20 years since I last went to Hillsborough and it’s more dilapidated than ever 

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

No chance we finish any higher than sixth now. I thought Hull would drop off but they seem to be nicking the wins even though they're not playing well. 

They were v poor v P*mpey from what I saw, but still managed to sneak the win. Getting battered at home by QPR shows they’re vulnerable though. 

[Totton Saint]

I really liked the Saints strip. Looked very neat and tidy, almost chic!

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

11 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

They were v poor v P*mpey from what I saw, but still managed to sneak the win. Getting battered at home by QPR shows they’re vulnerable though. 

they have some tough games in next four so lets see how they do

[VectisSaint]

Remarkable that Leo has been involved to some extent in 8 out of our last 9 league goals. Goal and assist stats don't tell the whole story. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

3 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Remarkable that Leo has been involved to some extent in 8 out of our last 9 league goals. Goal and assist stats don't tell the whole story. 

Do you mean that he has been pretty average in his performance but still been involved in 8 out of 9 goals? If so I can't wait to see what he can do when he is actually on form!

[Dr Who?]

Was in the top tier today with the boy. It was my first visit to Hillsbrough since 1997 and a 0-0 draw. Think Paul Jones saved a penalty that day. The ground is looking in a terrible state, neglected like the whole club top to bottom.

It was a strange one as the atmosphere was very flat, and the performance matched it. Seemed like we just expected the win, which showed in the celebration  the little bit of the 3rd goal as there was more of an eruption due to the worry that was creeping in! We did what we needed to do and had the feeling of an end of season game or a pre season game. I do think we could have upped the tempo a little and in the first half it did remind me of the last time we were in the championship as it was very laboured. There was a lot of very good good football at times but the end product was just not there. We missed Stewart for sure today. None of the subs did anything and had negative impact of the game and our shape. 

For what the Wednesday fans have been through, those that were in the ground were great at the end of the first half and second half. Let’s face it they have nothing to sing about. Our fans were flat, turned up got the 3 points and went home. 

Very strange game and I think things will start to get a little tougher, but we still have lots of points to play for, but feel we are a little short of a serious play off side, but we will see. 

[Jack]

9 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

Was in the top tier today with the boy. It was my first visit to Hillsbrough since 1997 and a 0-0 draw. Think Paul Jones saved a penalty that day. The ground is looking in a terrible state, neglected like the whole club top to bottom.

It was a strange one as the atmosphere was very flat, and the performance matched it. Seemed like we just expected the win, which showed in the celebration  the little bit of the 3rd goal as there was more of an eruption due to the worry that was creeping in! We did what we needed to do and had the feeling of an end of season game or a pre season game. I do think we could have upped the tempo a little and in the first half it did remind me of the last time we were in the championship as it was very laboured. There was a lot of very good good football at times but the end product was just not there. We missed Stewart for sure today. None of the subs did anything and had negative impact of the game and our shape. 

For what the Wednesday fans have been through, those that were in the ground were great at the end of the first half and second half. Let’s face it they have nothing to sing about. Our fans were flat, turned up got the 3 points and went home. 

Very strange game and I think things will start to get a little tougher, but we still have lots of points to play for, but feel we are a little short of a serious play off side, but we will see. 

I think our support has been very much like that in general recently. The atmosphere in the stands is a reflection of the tempo on the pitch - slow, turgid and boring mainly.  We’re in a decent run of form but beating teams by boring them into submission. Obviously would rather win boring than not win, but it isn’t making for a good atmosphere at the moment 

[die Mannyschaft]

40 minutes ago, Jack said:

I think our support has been very much like that in general recently. The atmosphere in the stands is a reflection of the tempo on the pitch - slow, turgid and boring mainly.  We’re in a decent run of form but beating teams by boring them into submission. Obviously would rather win boring than not win, but it isn’t making for a good atmosphere at the moment 

I think most football prem, championship,  championship league,  world cup are very boring. Most managers just cant be bothered to learn anything creative and take risks its all boring safe,  possession sideways football. Some of the Premier League and champions league is just gabage. If there was something exciting and entertaining being displayed on the pitch fans would not be falling asleep, checking results, just chatting etc. 

Today was 3 points but ar the expense of any creative football or not much. Fans are even sitting down it was so boring while fans stood up in front and that happens a lot in Northam.  

I also think the new fans since clubs git new stadium and doubled capacity just want to go to much and watch the football not do any chanting or standing up. Its a bit like snooker now at football but less entertaining. Which is why I like watching Winchester City and Eastleigh to get a break from boring computer football and actually see players playing football. 

And you get less falling over faking injury to stop an attack as we got today and v QPR.

[Dark Munster]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

We’ve improved that by 7 this week, so you expect more than that?

I didn't say I expected more, I would've happily settled for 3-1 before the match. I was simply replying to the poster who said  6-0 would still only have been three points, and I pointed out that's true but it would be extra goal difference. 

[SaintBobby]

The sort of game we should have won comfortably without breaking a sweat or getting out of second gear.

And, basically, we did.

[EssEffCee]

12 hours ago, Turkish said:

How did we sound? I was in the lower tier. Sounded alright, I don’t mind the James Bree song, how many years have Liverpool sung that about one of theirs before we got onto it?

a few lads kept singing songs about people being peadophiles and sex offenders which was a bit weird, particularly as one of them was about Barry Bannon who left months ago. Also had a lad near me playing Minecraft on his phone during the first half 🤦

I thought it was one of our worst away supports of the season if I'm honest. The fact that from 2-0 until halftime over 3k Saints were outsang by about 200-300 Wednesday said it all.

Can't stand that Bree song and it's the most typical Saints thing ever; Charlton sang a version last Saturday, then QPR did on Tuesday so of course the Northam adopted it in the second half.

Did anyone from upper go outside at half time? Some proper tragic behaviour from our 'lads'.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I thought it was one of our worst away supports of the season if I'm honest. The fact that from 2-0 until halftime over 3k Saints were outsang by about 200-300 Wednesday said it all.

Can't stand that Bree song and it's the most typical Saints thing ever; Charlton sang a version last Saturday, then QPR did on Tuesday so of course the Northam adopted it in the second half.

Did anyone from upper go outside at half time? Some proper tragic behaviour from our 'lads'.

I don’t go much there days only been to 2 other aways this season Hull and Blackburn and they were both terrible as well but so were the team so perhaps a little understandable.

I don’t mind the Bree song but like I said about assumed it had already been done somewhere else first and we copied it.  
 

 

[EssEffCee]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I don’t go much there days only been to 2 other aways this season Hull and Blackburn and they were both terrible as well but so were the team so perhaps a little understandable.

I don’t mind the Bree song but like I said about assumed it had already been done somewhere else first and we copied it.  
 

 

Our away support mostly is terrible these days I find, especially when numbers are good.

Expecting Fulham to be the same next week, maybe even more so with the Sunday midday KO.

[Barton Saint]

No chance! The Fulham game at last gives a chance for some of us who can’t get to many away games so we will certainly make the most of it!

But I do accept the point it does reflect the tempo on the pitch; a cup tie ‘should’ be more open and exciting 

 

[Appy]

Very poor away end, I’m not exactly one to get songs going but will always join in but people around me just stood in silence. 
 

Struggling to remember many decent away ends this season other than Pompey. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I had a scoot over their forum and they're saying that was probably the best atmosphere from the home fans in their North stand for some time, it was a bit of a galvanising and defiant show of support for their club in bad times. They also mentioned how they drowned out a big away support.

Twice as many at Fulham next weekend, hopefully better from our lot but midday KO ain't gonna help. Added to the fact the club will certainly be prioritising the Play-Off push now and with another two away games in the few days after I think they will be putting out a scratch eleven for this. Could be an uncomfortable watch.

[die Mannyschaft]

10 hours ago, Jack said:

I think our support has been very much like that in general recently. The atmosphere in the stands is a reflection of the tempo on the pitch - slow, turgid and boring mainly.  We’re in a decent run of form but beating teams by boring them into submission. Obviously would rather win boring than not win, but it isn’t making for a good atmosphere at the 

It was mainly the back top tier but not everyone 

[die Mannyschaft]

Most of the people I used to go yo matches with at Dell and away stopped going when moved to St Mary's after few seasons as too expensive, players on astronomical wages, difficult to just get tickets on day together, ground in stupid location. Some of the football these days is just garbage for £20m players on £4m a years and that's puf a lot of fans off. The ones who now take their place are happy to sit and watch and spend £30 a match on the expensive foot and drink.