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SaintLondon

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2 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Because they now work for Boro and it is in their interest to grass

Let's do a load of spying and then let a member of the team leave to a promotion rival.. it's beyond arrogant and thick. 

 

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LegalEagle

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I find it extraordinary that some alleged Saints fans are turning on others here who had been optimistic about the outcome here and trying to bash them up for it or playing the smart arse. There were things that none of us knew and the club has badly let the fans down. We couldn’t have predicted this. I didn’t see it coming or what the club had been up to. I thought the best of them - what an error that was. 

But the fans need to stick together. We’ve got really rocky times ahead and we are always the constant. Owners, players and managers come and go. We don’t. Time for us to all unite.

Anyway, thinking ahead, Sean Dyche anyone?

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S-Clarke

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5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

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Seriously, wtf? He wouldn't have done that, would he...?

Well, given everything else that goes on here probably. What a fool. He gave Gibson everything he needed.

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Osvaldorama

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1 minute ago, Zorba said:

Is the punishment disproportionate?

Going forward, if the EFL find a club guilty of inappropriate observations within 72 hours of kick-off, the 3 points are automatically awarded to the wronged side regardless of the result when the game took place. Would that be proportionate?

If it happens during the play-offs, the wronged side are awarded the wins/win automatically.

I don’t think that’s disproportionate. It’s a kick in the balls for us because we didn’t already know penalty.. But we cheated and now we know.

 


Of course it’s disproportionate. 
 

If that’s the case, they should have made the decision before the 2nd leg took place. All of this is now a farce. Not to even mention reinstating Boro. Why? It’s absurd 

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Lord Duckhunter

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2 minutes ago, Mltburger said:

Sorry to be mercenary but I now want my refund for my Wembley tickets.

What will add salt to the wound if the club and Wembley trouser the £2.50 booking fee.

The last time Saint's had to rearrange a game due to TV, you didn't get a refund on the booking fee.

Go down the charge back if by debit or section 75 route if you paid by Credit card. I got a refund once, minus the delivery charge and my CC company paid that…

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I wonder what he wanted to say before but couldn’t? Maybe that everybody does it so no biggy?

And if he had said that after the Middlesbrough game rather than keeping his mouth shut, I wonder if that would have changed the position we're in now. I rather think it would.....

We're not the only team that watches the opposition practice so enough of the self flagellation everyone.

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CanadaSaint

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The balanced perspective will only come out with time: Comparing the Leeds punishment with ours, admissions that “spying” is widespread, the lunacy of spying being completely okay but a capital offence inside the 72-hour window – and not an offence at any time in the Shangri-La Premier League, and English football’s pitiful inability to address its real cancer – financial fair play. Today's ruling punishes spying inside the window on a far higher plane than the sins that are actually killing the game.

I suspect that today’s contempt for us will diminish when people have a chance to ponder on all those realities, and eventually conclude that the punishment was ludicrously excessive. But that’s outside our control and won’t change today’s reality.

What’s inside our control is demanding that those responsible are kicked into orbit, regardless of who they are. They have given our 141 year-old club the most shameful day in its history. I feel most sick for you folks who buy season tickets, for the players, and for all the people who work at the club but had nothing at all to do with this.

And I can’t help thinking of Markus.

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S-Clarke

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1 minute ago, LegalEagle said:

I find it extraordinary that some alleged Saints fans are turning on others here who had been optimistic about the outcome here and trying to bash them up for it or playing the smart arse. There were things that none of us knew and the club has badly let the fans down. We couldn’t have predicted this. I didn’t see it coming or what the club had been up to. I thought the best of them - what an error that was. 

But the fans need to stick together. We’ve got really rocky times ahead and we are always the constant. Owners, players and managers come and go. We don’t. Time for us to all unite.

Anyway, thinking ahead, Sean Dyche anyone?

Exactly this, fans shouldn't be attacking themselves here. Some of us were optimisitc, some of us more worried - but at the end of the day, none of us knew what was going on. We could only hope that the club acted in the best possible way and that our money goes on good, not bad.

The fans are the ones who need to rally together here because we've been absolutley shafted in the biggest way I've ever seen in English football.

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Osvaldorama

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2 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

 

Let's do a load of spying and then let a member of the team leave to a promotion rival.. it's beyond arrogant and thick. 

 


To me it shows how normalised it is. 
 

I bet Boro do the exact same thing. 
 

They just used Lawfare and the media and caught us out. 

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MB

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What Saints have done is shameful but what EFL has done is even worse. The punishment does not fit the crime on any level.

As others have suggested I suspect this happens a lot we were just stupid & careless enough to get caught 

Effectively (potentially) they are fining Saints £200 million and rewarding Boro with £200 million. 

The final has to be postponed. How can Saints expect to have their fair right to appeal prepared in 24 hours. They need a top dog lawyer like that cunt Gibson hired, problem we have is we have muppets running the show.
 

The reason City have avoided their charges for so long is purely down to legals and the people they are hiring to protect themselves, Gibson got his way by hiring that top dog lawyer, I have zero confidence they will as it’s a shit show from top to bottom; but with the right legal muscle there is no way this would stand 

 

 

 

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trousers

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23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Games are played over 90 plus minutes. Despite the grief being aimed at Tonda I don’t believe for one minute that even if we did this to every team in the league, that it had a massive effect on the outcome of the games.

Which makes the whole damn thing utterly pointless. You could perhaps  understand the temptation to spy if the rewards far outstripped the risks, but there was almost nothing to be gained and everything to lose by engaging in such activities.

Not that it exonerates the club, or changes the outcome, but I'm still hoping that whoever sanctioned this was blissfully ignorant of the rules, because it's unforgivable if it was carried out in willful floutation of the rules. 

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whelk

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1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Go down the charge back if by debit or section 75 route if you paid by Credit card. I got a refund once, minus the delivery charge and my CC company paid that…

Tight bastard

sadoldgit

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2 minutes ago, Morse said:

Apart from the  disproportionate penalty. Why the fuck have Middlesborough been put through???? Either Hull go up unopposed or Middlesborough should play Wrexham

I think they should have held fire on the verdict and let us slug it out with Hull. Then if we win we get kicked out and Hull take our place. If we then appeal there is no panic about us winning the appeal.

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Dr Who?

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Amateurs the lot of them. I am so angry about how Saintsy we have been in this. I knew they would screw up what has been a great few months. Saves me around £350 and 14 hour round trip on Saturday. 

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Midfield_General

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50 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

OS still not carrying this.

Top story on the OS: 'Saints Store Opening Hours and Parking Update'.

Finger on the pulse, reading the room as ever lads, well done 👍

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Zorba

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2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


Of course it’s disproportionate. 
 

If that’s the case, they should have made the decision before the 2nd leg took place. All of this is now a farce. Not to even mention reinstating Boro. Why? It’s absurd 

Boro would have gone through anyway if these penalties were already in place. They didn’t cheat.

skintsaint

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Top story on the OS: 'Saints Store Opening Hours and Parking Update'.

Finger on the pulse, reading the room as ever lads, well done 👍

What is the parking update?

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Sergei Gotsmanov

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2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


Of course it’s disproportionate. 
 

If that’s the case, they should have made the decision before the 2nd leg took place. All of this is now a farce. Not to even mention reinstating Boro. Why? It’s absurd 

The second leg should have been suspended if there was a chance of us being slung out. Why should the supporters have to pay to see a game that could be invalidated. We were led to believe this was a minor infringement.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Just now, skintsaint said:

Apparently Tonda didn't realise it was against the rules.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/05/19/spygate-scandal-english-football-southampton-middlesbrough/

 

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Which backs up my argument that the club shouldn't keep appointing kids with little to no experience, and then surround them with kids with no experience (like Ben Reeves). He's been a bit dumb, everyone has been a bit dumb, but SR should also take the can here.

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Mboto Gorge

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Time for the biggest shit stain on this football club, Sport Republic to finally do the decent thing and disappear. It’s one thing to be incompetent, which they have been and then some, but this really takes the piss. Can they shit on this fanbase any more? Time to show some fucking shame and sell up. 4 seasons, 2 horrendously uncompetitive relegations including the 12 point fiasco, followed directly by this latest shambles and a huge blot on the clubs name. Fuck these cunts. Forget the appeal too, I’d be surprised if these chumps even found their way to the building, let alone anything else 

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Holmes_and_Watson

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20 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Whilst this is an an absolute embarrassment and absolutely amateur from the club from start to finish, lets not lose sight that this punishment is vastly disproportionate.  Yes what we did was wrong and we've been a completely mess here, but no way is this punishment fair or right.   Lets keep some perspective here. 

This is where I am. Yes, they have made a decision (appeal pending). Yes, if we did it, there should be punishment. If we did it often, it should be more.

The jump from the pre-rule punishment to here just seems massive. 

Yes, the club should have taken the worst case scenario in the open ended list of sanctions as possible.

But, had we missed out through results, I'd have been hoping to build on this season to get us over the line next season.

So caught between the club accepting accountability and the pitfalls of tearing it all up again for next season.

Mind you, if I had worked my butt off to be a match away from a 40% pay rise plus loads of bonuses and career opportunities, only for my bosses to screw it up, I'd be questioning my loyalties.

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SNSUN

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3 minutes ago, Morse said:

Apart from the  disproportionate penalty. Why the fuck have Middlesborough been put through???? Either Hull go up unopposed or Middlesborough should play Wrexham

A) money. Wembley has been booked and makes a shit load of money for everyone involved. There is no way there would be no final.

B) Time. It’s a World Cup year for a start. For Boro to play another two legs takes tons of time. It would also not be fair on Hull to make them wait. 
C) Wrexham players are probably on holiday.

 

Sadly we forced the EFL to make this decision by cheating. We have to face the consequences. 

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S-Clarke

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1 minute ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

The second leg should have been suspended if there was a chance of us being slung out. Why should the supporters have to pay to see a game that could be invalidated. We were led to believe this was a minor infringement.

I think the issue here is that further allegations only came to light on Sunday - up to that point, it was just the Boro game in question. 

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Gloucester Saint

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4 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Apparently Tonda didn't realise it was against the rules.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/05/19/spygate-scandal-english-football-southampton-middlesbrough/

 

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Who is supervising him though? He should lose his job and should have referred to the EFL rule book. It’s what everyone has to do at work. A builder from mainland Europe doesn’t just turn up and sling an extension at someone’s property without reference to planning regulations and local processes. 

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adrian lord

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Tonda is a brilliant team manager who, mark my words, will one day will manage a Champions' League side (likely Bayern) but he sure has dropped a bollock with this. ignorance of the law is no defence. We will likely now be deprived of not only promotion but his stewardship, due to FA ban or him being sacked. 

Only Saints, only Saints can do this stuff to us fans. 

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James

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I am so angry at the club but the sanction that has been imposed on us is absolutely extraordinary. I am past the point of caring whether we play on Saturday, I’m almost certain we won’t. That said, I hope Dragan lawyers up and raises as much hell as possible. 

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Convict Colony

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9 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Ok yeah Parsons can go first. 
 

What a fucking brain dead cunt 

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

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CB Fry

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19 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Then fine the club £100-200m and have them pay it then, don't drag the fans along with it as none of it is our fault.

The fans enjoyed watching the matches we won, though, right?

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Colinjb

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Just now, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

Bad? No.

A bloody fool?

Yes

Polaroid Saint

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Please forgive me; I do not take the very real financial, logistical and emotional impact on fellow Saints fans who have booked and planned for Saturday lightly. That's a shit-show and it's on the club and the EFL and the 'independent' panel - truly, it's crap and I feel for you.

However, I'm not that pissed off about missing out on the chance of promotion this season. 3 months ago, it was unlikely and we all would have settled for another year in the Championship. Even minus 4 points. 

The biggest issue with that reality, now, is how we can possible keep not only the squad together but also keep this weird leftfield gem of a manager in Tonda. I suspect FIFA/FA ban incoming and we lose him too. Which is galling.

I suspect some may think less of me, but I don't think what we have admitted to doing is really all that bad. But hey ho, people just as unqualified as me have made their decision and several hundred million pound difference between supposedly equal clubs is the (potential) result.

If nothing changes between now and Saturday I can only hope Hull win. 

We have shifted from imocouus club people kinda like, to a club with a bit of a stink, but also, maybe, a bit of a sting?

 

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S-Clarke

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Just now, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

You don't show your hand like that though, it was dumb. Keep your cards close to your chest, don't admit anything to the accusers and wait for them to thrash it out independently.

It's like a car accident - never admit liability at the scene, never. Let the insurers battle it out.

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sfc4prem

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3 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

The second leg should have been suspended if there was a chance of us being slung out. Why should the supporters have to pay to see a game that could be invalidated. We were led to believe this was a minor infringement.

Absolutely. The second leg going ahead in the circumstances is an absolute farce. We needed to be informed about the likelihood of expulsion and it fucking seemed like the people at the top knew. Parsons, the cockwomble, knew. The amount spent in tickets, travel and beers at a time when people are feeling the pinch. Maddening.

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