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8 minutes ago, Badger said:

Probably going against today’s tide of thought here but I thought Dan Neil would have been a good addition and business (especially if we sell Charles for upwards of £25m).  
 

From what I’d read and his promotion experience   I can’t join the “well he wasn’t good enough …” , “we didn’t really want him…”  pile on. 
 

That’s not to say we can’t do better, although it will cost more. The Mulligan of Hibs rumour might now resurface, although we don’t seem to have been active recruiting in Scotland for years. Or perhaps Spors/Tonda will know a Bundesliga 2 gem to come in. 

You could argue he's got a similar profile to Joe Rothwell who I remember contributed nothing apart from a wonder goal whilst he was here. We have better midfielders already than Neil. Downes, Jander and Charles (the latter likely going) would all start ahead of him. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Another MF mentioned on the thread is the 6’4” Norwegian Dahl. Young, and built like a proverbial brick shithouse, which seems a good start for a DM.  
 

 

It's only YouTube and I don't think he's playing at a particularly high level but thought the lad looked pretty good in the videos I saw.  

Posted
10 minutes ago, Badger said:

Another MF mentioned on the thread is the 6’4” Norwegian Dahl. Young, and built like a proverbial brick shithouse, which seems a good start for a DM.  
 

 

Where did the link for this one come from? 

Posted
Just now, SuperSAINT said:

Where did the link for this one come from? 

Further up the thread in last couple of days. Probably not a reliable source though. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Badger said:

If we’re spending serious Charles/Fernandes dosh on it then someone mentioned the Millwall strikers (Ivanovic ? and Coburn) on here previously, worth considering.
 

Of the four you mention Tolaj apparently has something about him, Futkeu seems to match some of our tickboxes ( Bundesliga 2, affordable etc).Lankshear - did he really show anything at Oxford last year ? 

Lankshear scored 12 on loan for Oxford, could be worth a punt if we can get him on loan.

Noel Futkeu 6.0, 22 years old, 18 goals in Bundesliga 2. 

Salech 6.5  24 years old,  15 goals 

Andrea Adorante 26 years old,  6 foot, good at holding ball up. 17 goals, Venezia.

Kaliman and Hornby are two other options in the Bundesliga 2 who have the classic target man attributes and scored >10 goals last season. 

We got to be looking at a few of these....

Fukeku or Salech for me would be superb signings for a Ross Stewart replacement 

 

 

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Lankshear scored 12 on loan for Oxford, could be worth a punt if we can get him on loan.

Noel Futkeu 6.0, 22 years old, 18 goals in Bundesliga 2. 

Salech 6.5  24 years old,  15 goals 

Andrea Adorante 26 years old,  6 foot, good at holding ball up. 17 goals, Venezia.

Kaliman and Hornby are two other options in the Bundesliga 2 who have the classic target man attributes and scored >10 goals last season. 

We got to be looking at a few of these....

Fukeku or Salech for me would be superb signings for a Ross Stewart replacement 

 

 

 

Thanks. Interesting as 12 goals for a struggling Oxford last season isn’t a bad return. My only first hand memory of him is slicing a good chance wide at St Mary’s (but then look at Kane the other night).

Trouble with Lankshear is that he’ll probably be a last minute loan after De Zerbi has sorted his squad.

Hornby has signed for Wolfsburg this summer. He’s good for ‘derailing’ transfer threads though. 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Dom Ballard was sold for a reason.

He was deemed not good enough. Frankly if we want to be pushing for the Premier League we need proven experience and someone that has the potential to do it.

DB with his injury record and one season in League One doesn’t warrant that.

He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Spurs now spending £100m on Tonali.

They are throwing some serious money around

Yet Villa who made Europe again this season have to sell to buy I think 😅

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Posted
34 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Yet Villa who made Europe again this season have to sell to buy I think 😅

Just shows how poorly, or perfectly, designed these rules are 

Posted
12 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

https://fixvx.com/jburttelegraph/status/2072337397489016955?s=46

Glasner to Forest

Weird move. Thought he'd go to a big club, not a sideways move 

I’d say Forest have more potential than Palace so don’t see it as a sideways move (I’ll avoid the ‘bigger’ club debate so not to awaken MLG). But the Forst owner is probably more volatile to work for so good luck with that! 

Like you I thought he’d go somewhere else but a lot of the ‘bigger’ and more prestigious jobs he was linked to ( Chelsea, Man Utd, AC Milan) have gone elsewhere. 

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, Saint86 said:

He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. 

I think you have wildly mis judged the context of his situation when we sold him. Saints had to judge if a lad who was still growing, a little behind his development because of his injuries and had underwhelmed in the lower league loans he had, was able to justify the playing time he needed to progress ahead of a player who had scored goals in the PL and a lad who had scored some goals in the German 2nd division and had broken into the USA set up (albeit due to rotation and injuries). All well and good you judging them on hindsight and all well and good you just not realising that his top scorer season in the lower league doesn't happen without the move and doesn't immediately translate into being able to push us to promotion either but it's not the reality Saints or Ballard faced last summer.

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Posted

Just spotted Armel Bella Kotchap has moved this summer, £7mil fee. No idea if we had a sell on, if we did I don’t expect we’ll see much even if we did given the relatively low fee.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Just spotted Armel Bella Kotchap has moved this summer, £7mil fee. No idea if we had a sell on, if we did I don’t expect we’ll see much even if we did given the relatively low fee.

has he? I can only see him still listed as a Verona player who he joined from us permanently in the January window

Posted
9 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Kept a sell on if Alfie was correct. Don’t know what %. £8.5m. 10% would be £850k, 15% £1.275m, 20% £1.7m. Tidy little profit for Verona and covers a good chunk of Larin’s fee.
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25817125.southampton-reportedly-agree-sell-bella-kotchap-serie-side/

https://www.facebook.com/transfermarkt.global/posts/️-venezia-reinforce-at-the-back-with-armel-bella-kotchap-who-joins-from-hellas-v/1482288047274316/

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Posted

Daily Mail: Leeds submit new offer of £23m guaranteed + add-ons for Shea Charles, getting them closer to Southampton's £30m valuation

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Posted
6 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Daily Mail: Leeds submit new offer of £23m guaranteed + add-ons for Shea Charles, getting them closer to Southampton's £30m valuation

I thought we’d rejected £25m? Given his age he’s got to be worth at least that. I would think £25m + a decent sell-on fee would seal the deal.

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Posted
21 hours ago, Saint86 said:

He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. 

The trouble was Saints wanted to keep him but reckoned he needed another loan and Dom was not interested in going out on loan again

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Posted
9 minutes ago, johnnyboy said:

Espn reports that we are only getting getting £570,000 from the Fernandes deal !

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They need to redo their maths as I make that nearly £13M

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

The trouble was Saints wanted to keep him but reckoned he needed another loan and Dom was not interested in going out on loan again

It’s one of those where we were both probably right. He clearly needed first team minutes to see if he could cut it and he wasn’t getting them with us. Can’t blame us for wanting to keep him on the books with a loan or him for wanting some permanency. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s of the profit not total fee, but should be £6.5m so ESPN’s maths is dodgy. 

Indeed, however the article says of any future move. Lazy journalism 

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If hackneys fee from Boro to Everton is now a benchmark I can see us accepting £23m without hesitation for Charles. As for Mat F- the big fat fee he is now going for is probably a weighting factor in Saints holding out for more from Leeds than currently on offer. That we did not get the free agent over the line plus manager uncertainty is another factor. 
But the player of the championship season price has been set -£18m - so it’s going to be tough getting more for any other MF player even if he is as good as Charles. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Indeed, however the article says of any future move. Lazy journalism 

It is indeed. Not even good lazy as Chat GPT shows it’s 15% of profit let alone reading any articles from when he was sold last summer.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I thought we’d rejected £25m? Given his age he’s got to be worth at least that. I would think £25m + a decent sell-on fee would seal the deal.

That’d be a reasonable deal I agree. The two sell on fees for MF and ABK - not clear how much the latter is - more or less cover Peretz and Larin fees so tidy so far.

THB will make another big chunk in what’s required and a buyer for Ramsdale would help. Sugawara sold would be even better.

Aribo, McCarthy, Smallbone and other wages off the payroll.

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29 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

If hackneys fee from Boro to Everton is now a benchmark I can see us accepting £23m without hesitation for Charles. As for Mat F- the big fat fee he is now going for is probably a weighting factor in Saints holding out for more from Leeds than currently on offer. That we did not get the free agent over the line plus manager uncertainty is another factor. 
But the player of the championship season price has been set -£18m - so it’s going to be tough getting more for any other MF player even if he is as good as Charles. 

Hackney had a single year on his contract which greatly deflates the fee.

Boro had to accept, or gamble on getting promoted with him. Now they can use thay money to have a player for 4 years, who they can sell again to keep 20m in the club. Keeping hackney meant they HAD to get promoted or lost 20m.

Charles has 2 years including option, so we could wait another year and still get circa 15m for him I imagine. We are choosing to sell this year to get funds to keep others and go again this year, and as its our choice I imagine we will get 23m plus achievable add ons plus a sell on to negate the city 15% sell on.

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