LocationRemot3 Posted yesterday at 12:54 Posted yesterday at 12:54 8 minutes ago, Badger said: Probably going against today’s tide of thought here but I thought Dan Neil would have been a good addition and business (especially if we sell Charles for upwards of £25m). From what I’d read and his promotion experience I can’t join the “well he wasn’t good enough …” , “we didn’t really want him…” pile on. That’s not to say we can’t do better, although it will cost more. The Mulligan of Hibs rumour might now resurface, although we don’t seem to have been active recruiting in Scotland for years. Or perhaps Spors/Tonda will know a Bundesliga 2 gem to come in. You could argue he's got a similar profile to Joe Rothwell who I remember contributed nothing apart from a wonder goal whilst he was here. We have better midfielders already than Neil. Downes, Jander and Charles (the latter likely going) would all start ahead of him. 1
revolution saint Posted yesterday at 12:57 Posted yesterday at 12:57 2 minutes ago, Badger said: Another MF mentioned on the thread is the 6’4” Norwegian Dahl. Young, and built like a proverbial brick shithouse, which seems a good start for a DM. It's only YouTube and I don't think he's playing at a particularly high level but thought the lad looked pretty good in the videos I saw.
Willo of Whiteley Posted yesterday at 13:01 Posted yesterday at 13:01 Scandinavia has tons of good players that could do a job. We’re probably a very attractive proposition. 1
SuperSAINT Posted yesterday at 13:03 Posted yesterday at 13:03 10 minutes ago, Badger said: Another MF mentioned on the thread is the 6’4” Norwegian Dahl. Young, and built like a proverbial brick shithouse, which seems a good start for a DM. Where did the link for this one come from?
Badger Posted yesterday at 13:04 Posted yesterday at 13:04 Just now, SuperSAINT said: Where did the link for this one come from? Further up the thread in last couple of days. Probably not a reliable source though. 1
ally_uk Posted yesterday at 13:20 Posted yesterday at 13:20 15 minutes ago, Badger said: If we’re spending serious Charles/Fernandes dosh on it then someone mentioned the Millwall strikers (Ivanovic ? and Coburn) on here previously, worth considering. Of the four you mention Tolaj apparently has something about him, Futkeu seems to match some of our tickboxes ( Bundesliga 2, affordable etc).Lankshear - did he really show anything at Oxford last year ? Lankshear scored 12 on loan for Oxford, could be worth a punt if we can get him on loan. Noel Futkeu 6.0, 22 years old, 18 goals in Bundesliga 2. Salech 6.5 24 years old, 15 goals Andrea Adorante 26 years old, 6 foot, good at holding ball up. 17 goals, Venezia. Kaliman and Hornby are two other options in the Bundesliga 2 who have the classic target man attributes and scored >10 goals last season. We got to be looking at a few of these.... Fukeku or Salech for me would be superb signings for a Ross Stewart replacement
Badger Posted yesterday at 13:31 Posted yesterday at 13:31 7 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Lankshear scored 12 on loan for Oxford, could be worth a punt if we can get him on loan. Noel Futkeu 6.0, 22 years old, 18 goals in Bundesliga 2. Salech 6.5 24 years old, 15 goals Andrea Adorante 26 years old, 6 foot, good at holding ball up. 17 goals, Venezia. Kaliman and Hornby are two other options in the Bundesliga 2 who have the classic target man attributes and scored >10 goals last season. We got to be looking at a few of these.... Fukeku or Salech for me would be superb signings for a Ross Stewart replacement Thanks. Interesting as 12 goals for a struggling Oxford last season isn’t a bad return. My only first hand memory of him is slicing a good chance wide at St Mary’s (but then look at Kane the other night). Trouble with Lankshear is that he’ll probably be a last minute loan after De Zerbi has sorted his squad. Hornby has signed for Wolfsburg this summer. He’s good for ‘derailing’ transfer threads though. 1
JohnnyShearer2.0 Posted yesterday at 13:55 Posted yesterday at 13:55 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: I suspect that was never the case Right.
Saint86 Posted yesterday at 14:15 Posted yesterday at 14:15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Dom Ballard was sold for a reason. He was deemed not good enough. Frankly if we want to be pushing for the Premier League we need proven experience and someone that has the potential to do it. DB with his injury record and one season in League One doesn’t warrant that. He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. Edited yesterday at 14:15 by Saint86 6
Saint NL Posted yesterday at 15:20 Posted yesterday at 15:20 Spurs now spending £100m on Tonali. They are throwing some serious money around
skintsaint Posted yesterday at 15:24 Posted yesterday at 15:24 3 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Spurs now spending £100m on Tonali. They are throwing some serious money around Yet Villa who made Europe again this season have to sell to buy I think 😅 1 1
Saint NL Posted yesterday at 15:50 Posted yesterday at 15:50 https://fixvx.com/jburttelegraph/status/2072337397489016955?s=46 Glasner to Forest Weird move. Thought he'd go to a big club, not a sideways move 2 1
bugenhagen Posted yesterday at 15:59 Posted yesterday at 15:59 34 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Yet Villa who made Europe again this season have to sell to buy I think 😅 Just shows how poorly, or perfectly, designed these rules are
Badger Posted yesterday at 16:07 Posted yesterday at 16:07 12 minutes ago, Saint NL said: https://fixvx.com/jburttelegraph/status/2072337397489016955?s=46 Glasner to Forest Weird move. Thought he'd go to a big club, not a sideways move I’d say Forest have more potential than Palace so don’t see it as a sideways move (I’ll avoid the ‘bigger’ club debate so not to awaken MLG). But the Forst owner is probably more volatile to work for so good luck with that! Like you I thought he’d go somewhere else but a lot of the ‘bigger’ and more prestigious jobs he was linked to ( Chelsea, Man Utd, AC Milan) have gone elsewhere. 2
Disco Stu Posted yesterday at 16:43 Posted yesterday at 16:43 (edited) Wrong thread. Edited yesterday at 16:44 by Disco Stu
Ted Bates Statue Posted yesterday at 17:03 Posted yesterday at 17:03 1 hour ago, Saint NL said: https://fixvx.com/jburttelegraph/status/2072337397489016955?s=46 Glasner to Forest Weird move. Thought he'd go to a big club, not a sideways move Must have a holiday booked for November already 1 8
Willo of Whiteley Posted yesterday at 17:27 Posted yesterday at 17:27 1 hour ago, Saint NL said: https://fixvx.com/jburttelegraph/status/2072337397489016955?s=46 Glasner to Forest Weird move. Thought he'd go to a big club, not a sideways move Basket case of an ownership at Forest 5
Fabrice29 Posted yesterday at 22:35 Posted yesterday at 22:35 (edited) 17 hours ago, Saint86 said: He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. I think you have wildly mis judged the context of his situation when we sold him. Saints had to judge if a lad who was still growing, a little behind his development because of his injuries and had underwhelmed in the lower league loans he had, was able to justify the playing time he needed to progress ahead of a player who had scored goals in the PL and a lad who had scored some goals in the German 2nd division and had broken into the USA set up (albeit due to rotation and injuries). All well and good you judging them on hindsight and all well and good you just not realising that his top scorer season in the lower league doesn't happen without the move and doesn't immediately translate into being able to push us to promotion either but it's not the reality Saints or Ballard faced last summer. Edited 15 hours ago by Fabrice29 6
UpweySaint Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Just spotted Armel Bella Kotchap has moved this summer, £7mil fee. No idea if we had a sell on, if we did I don’t expect we’ll see much even if we did given the relatively low fee. 1
Turkish Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 7 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Just spotted Armel Bella Kotchap has moved this summer, £7mil fee. No idea if we had a sell on, if we did I don’t expect we’ll see much even if we did given the relatively low fee. has he? I can only see him still listed as a Verona player who he joined from us permanently in the January window
Weston Super Saint Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: has he? I can only see him still listed as a Verona player who he joined from us permanently in the January window Bloody CoT. Always last with the news. 1 8
Gloucester Saint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago There’s the £6.5m https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13559479/mateus-fernandes-transfer-news-midfielder-set-for-medical-after-spurs-beat-man-utd-to-lb85m-deal Daniel Peretz fee paid for.
UpweySaint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 46 minutes ago, Turkish said: has he? I can only see him still listed as a Verona player who he joined from us permanently in the January window Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2026/jun/08/mens-transfer-window-summer-2026-all-deals-from-europes-top-five-leagues scroll down to 30th June, he’s gone to Venezia 1
It's There Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Fernandez to Spurs done...bbc...therefore we get some sell on £ 6.5 million is mooted 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 9 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2026/jun/08/mens-transfer-window-summer-2026-all-deals-from-europes-top-five-leagues scroll down to 30th June, he’s gone to Venezia Kept a sell on if Alfie was correct. Don’t know what %. £8.5m. 10% would be £850k, 15% £1.275m, 20% £1.7m. Tidy little profit for Verona and covers a good chunk of Larin’s fee. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25817125.southampton-reportedly-agree-sell-bella-kotchap-serie-side/ https://www.facebook.com/transfermarkt.global/posts/️-venezia-reinforce-at-the-back-with-armel-bella-kotchap-who-joins-from-hellas-v/1482288047274316/ 3
Turkish Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 38 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2026/jun/08/mens-transfer-window-summer-2026-all-deals-from-europes-top-five-leagues scroll down to 30th June, he’s gone to Venezia cheers another short spell for him then!
CSA96 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Daily Mail: Leeds submit new offer of £23m guaranteed + add-ons for Shea Charles, getting them closer to Southampton's £30m valuation 1 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 6 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Daily Mail: Leeds submit new offer of £23m guaranteed + add-ons for Shea Charles, getting them closer to Southampton's £30m valuation I thought we’d rejected £25m? Given his age he’s got to be worth at least that. I would think £25m + a decent sell-on fee would seal the deal. 1
johnnyboy Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Espn reports that we are only getting getting £570,000 from the Fernandes deal !
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 21 hours ago, Saint86 said: He was sold by Spors/Still prior to Eckert taking the reigns, to be replaced by Downs and considered a worse prospect than Archer for the team. Both terrible calls. We won't always play 1 big man up top, and equally there are numerous times where Eckert changed it up to go 2 Strikers or to introduce pace. Dom Ballard should still be on the books, he's a very promising and young home grown player who was top scorer in the league below whilst playing for an awful (and nearly relegated) side. He'd be very cheap and competent depth for the first team squad, would almost certainly be a money spinner for SR, and to be frank, should never have been let go in the first place compared to the money spent (wages/transfer/agent fees) for Downs and Archer. The trouble was Saints wanted to keep him but reckoned he needed another loan and Dom was not interested in going out on loan again 5
bangkoksaint Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 9 minutes ago, johnnyboy said: Espn reports that we are only getting getting £570,000 from the Fernandes deal ! They need to redo their maths as I make that nearly £13M 4
Gloucester Saint Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 10 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said: They need to redo their maths as I make that nearly £13M It’s of the profit not total fee, but should be £6.5m so ESPN’s maths is dodgy. 6
UpweySaint Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: The trouble was Saints wanted to keep him but reckoned he needed another loan and Dom was not interested in going out on loan again It’s one of those where we were both probably right. He clearly needed first team minutes to see if he could cut it and he wasn’t getting them with us. Can’t blame us for wanting to keep him on the books with a loan or him for wanting some permanency.
bangkoksaint Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: It’s of the profit not total fee, but should be £6.5m so ESPN’s maths is dodgy. Indeed, however the article says of any future move. Lazy journalism 2
gio1saints Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago If hackneys fee from Boro to Everton is now a benchmark I can see us accepting £23m without hesitation for Charles. As for Mat F- the big fat fee he is now going for is probably a weighting factor in Saints holding out for more from Leeds than currently on offer. That we did not get the free agent over the line plus manager uncertainty is another factor. But the player of the championship season price has been set -£18m - so it’s going to be tough getting more for any other MF player even if he is as good as Charles. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said: Indeed, however the article says of any future move. Lazy journalism It is indeed. Not even good lazy as Chat GPT shows it’s 15% of profit let alone reading any articles from when he was sold last summer. 1
VectisSaint Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 3 hours ago, UpweySaint said: Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2026/jun/08/mens-transfer-window-summer-2026-all-deals-from-europes-top-five-leagues scroll down to 30th June, he’s gone to Venezia Must be some sort of Shakespeare fan 2
Gloucester Saint Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I thought we’d rejected £25m? Given his age he’s got to be worth at least that. I would think £25m + a decent sell-on fee would seal the deal. That’d be a reasonable deal I agree. The two sell on fees for MF and ABK - not clear how much the latter is - more or less cover Peretz and Larin fees so tidy so far. THB will make another big chunk in what’s required and a buyer for Ramsdale would help. Sugawara sold would be even better. Aribo, McCarthy, Smallbone and other wages off the payroll. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Must be some sort of Shakespeare fan You’re Bard 😉 2 2
2Morrow Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 29 minutes ago, gio1saints said: If hackneys fee from Boro to Everton is now a benchmark I can see us accepting £23m without hesitation for Charles. As for Mat F- the big fat fee he is now going for is probably a weighting factor in Saints holding out for more from Leeds than currently on offer. That we did not get the free agent over the line plus manager uncertainty is another factor. But the player of the championship season price has been set -£18m - so it’s going to be tough getting more for any other MF player even if he is as good as Charles. Hackney had a single year on his contract which greatly deflates the fee. Boro had to accept, or gamble on getting promoted with him. Now they can use thay money to have a player for 4 years, who they can sell again to keep 20m in the club. Keeping hackney meant they HAD to get promoted or lost 20m. Charles has 2 years including option, so we could wait another year and still get circa 15m for him I imagine. We are choosing to sell this year to get funds to keep others and go again this year, and as its our choice I imagine we will get 23m plus achievable add ons plus a sell on to negate the city 15% sell on. 2
gio1saints Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 29 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: Hackney had a single year on his contract which greatly deflates the fee. Boro had to accept, or gamble on getting promoted with him. Now they can use thay money to have a player for 4 years, who they can sell again to keep 20m in the club. Keeping hackney meant they HAD to get promoted or lost 20m. Charles has 2 years including option, so we could wait another year and still get circa 15m for him I imagine. We are choosing to sell this year to get funds to keep others and go again this year, and as its our choice I imagine we will get 23m plus achievable add ons plus a sell on to negate the city 15% sell on. Yes I did not realise was final year for Hackney thanks! That would make a£30m player £18m alright I imagine. As for Charles value in comparison - it’s a guess but I think I the current figure being touted -£23m plus add ins getting it closer to £30m MINUS city sell on % is very close to stake hands. I personally have faith in him / largely due to his knack of getting us late goals probably but also because at International level he always looks one of the better players on the pitch. IF he is keen to try the EPL - like THB might be then there’s probably no point extending his contract but it is certainly an option not to be sniffed at. He’s a known quantity - and a high quality ready to start for us this season player. I guess he will be sold to balance the books up a bit and make cash for new striker though… 1
Fabrice29 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Stop comparing a subjective view of players ability to try and work out transfer fees.
Verbal Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: It’s of the profit not total fee, but should be £6.5m so ESPN’s maths is dodgy. Is it also net of agents' fees? That can take a huge chunk out too. (Eg of Tonali's £100m transfer to Tottenham, the agent collects 23%, which my complicated calculator tells me is £23m.) 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Verbal said: Is it also net of agents' fees? That can take a huge chunk out too. (Eg of Tonali's £100m transfer to Tottenham, the agent collects 23%, which my complicated calculator tells me is £23m.) I’m fairly certain what’s published excludes agents fees so yes, net. IIRC FIFA tried to cap agent commissions from selling clubs at 10% and 3% of player wages but it faced legal challenges. The PL has been trying to embed the agent fees within the new SCR rules but Quelle surprise the agencies are challenging this legally as well. You can see why as well, enormous gravy train for very little actual workload. To think people moan about politicians…https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clyxnpvl7wdo 1
HKsaint Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Assuming JWP has no more resalable value, how much do we lost in the players transactions with Hammers recently?
Toadhall Saint Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said: Stop comparing a subjective view of players ability to try and work out transfer fees. No 2
Gloucester Saint Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, HKsaint said: Assuming JWP has no more resalable value, how much do we lost in the players transactions with Hammers recently? I’d imagine Fernandes as well as the sell on is funding the last of West Ham’s installments on JWP. I know of last summer they still owed quite a bit of the total.
SuperSAINT Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 29 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Come on Leeds, you just sold Struijk on June 30th, so it’s a blank slate in your finances now. 1
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