NickG Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 clubs close to agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 United? Wednesday? City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 which sheffield there are two in the championship, I assume united? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 in the echo too. Sheff Utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Clearly the oldest football club in the world, Sheffield FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettuce Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Bound to be Sheff Utd... most ex-Saints players seem to move to clubs who wear Red & White stripes! :-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Drew is on holiday at present and his family are unaware of any developments. He was told prior to the Pinnacle exclusivity that he might have to be sold to get money into the club but that might have changed now Pinnacle are progressing the purchase of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Dont think this guy behind pinnacle has enough money to stop us selling our players if this is true... Why would we sell if we didnt need to?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Dont think this guy behind pinnacle has enough money to stop us selling our players if this is true... Why would we sell if we didnt need to?. Because he might not want to play league one if he can play higher and potentially earn more, quite basic really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 June, 2009 sorry, united -wrote it in hurry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Good luck Drew. Not too bothered, to be honest, except that we get good wonga. For me he went missing too often and is too lightweight. Always seemed to be playing in slippers. Change might do him good and toughen him up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Dont think this guy behind pinnacle has enough money to stop us selling our players if this is true... Why would we sell if we didnt need to?. The short answer is that SFC hasn't been able to sell season tickets yet. Basically, the company needs operating capital. Currently, SLH has the remainder of the money invested by Pinnacle and no more coming in. Typically, it would be sitting on £2m+ of early season ticket payments by now so the relatively income-free summer months would be covered. Going into administration so late in the season has affected the cash-flow very badly so the club has no choice but to realise some assets in order to continue making payments to players and staff. Once a takeover happens, season tickets will be made available and the club will have an income stream leading to operating capital again and the finances will settle pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Because we get an offer that's more than he's worth? I really don't rate him. Could be a good CCC player but he certainly wasn't last season. So 1m is a very good price. Also, I far prefer Holmes left wing and think Surman is an appalling central midfielder, so would prefer to take the money and invest in a proper central midfielder. Agree there i do prefer HOLMES on the left.. As long as he can stay away from injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Because he might not want to play league one if he can play higher and potentially earn more, quite basic really. Agree there i do prefer HOLMES on the left.. As long as he can stay away from injury The new owners might feel that players associated with two years of serious decline on the pitch need clearing out for a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 The new owners might feel that players associated with two years of serious decline on the pitch need clearing out for a fresh start. If they do they are even more sensible than I thought. Hurrah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 If they do they are even more sensible than I thought. Hurrah. Indeed...when I heard about Surman, Lallana, and Pulis being out on the lash most nights in Bournemouth in the run up to games it tells you all you need to know about professionalism when your club is going down the toilet.... THAT is the culture we need to eradicate at this club - there's plenty of time for them to turn into p***heads when they retire - once they've actually ACHIEVED something of note... Before anyone asks, no I won't disclose the source, but suffice to say it was someone close to that social circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 sorry, united -wrote it in hurry! ........and then they'll go to Swansea to get Dyer (when Swans new manager dumps him,) and pay half the fee that we turned down last year. Typical ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 He will turn down any offer that is not within travelling distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I agree that Surman has perhaps not been brilliant for us, but he's still young and there are hardly any great senior midfielders here for him to have learnt his trade off of. Gary Speed will turn Surman into the new.. well.. Gary Speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 He will turn down any offer that is not within travelling distance Everything is within travelling distance, it's just the length of time that varies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Surman is our best midielder, I really hope he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 A lot of the poorly performing players we have sold have gone on to do quite well for other clubs; Delap, Blackstock, Best, Beattie, Cranie, etc. Maybe its because we as a club have failed them with poor management & board unrest rather than the other way round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 A lot of the poorly performing players we have sold have gone on to do quite well for other clubs; Delap, Blackstock, Best, Beattie, Cranie, etc. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 A lot of the poorly performing players we have sold have gone on to do quite well for other clubs; Delap, Blackstock, Best, Beattie, Cranie, etc. Maybe its because we as a club have failed them with poor management & board unrest rather than the other way round? Beattie did well for us. If he hadnt, Everton would not have bought him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I'd be sad to see Surman go should he leave. He's one of our best midfielders without doubt and we'd struggle to find a replacement with his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I'd be sad to see Surman go should he leave. He's one of our best midfielders without doubt and we'd struggle to find a replacement with his ability. Not according to some on here. Seems we could get half a dozen with more ability, from Wessex League teams? I agree with you by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I always feel Surman has a lot more to offer in a match. Now whether it's Kevin Blackwell that can extract that from him or the next/current Saints manager is anyones guess. Personally I hope he stays. Maybe play him in the CMFG role? But then we'd need a fantastic left back......young Mills maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Beattie did well for us. If he hadnt, Everton would not have bought him I have to agree with Just Mike, Beattie had a couple of great seasons and although his England career didn't get started, he was still a bargain for Everton (on paper) - what happened afterwards was his own matter. Blackstock wasn't poor - with Saints. He was young ..and fifth in the pecking order at the time he left. He'd di alright with QPR and will do better with Forest (IMHO.) In all his seasons at SMS Rory Delap was never in a stable role and was used by successive managers as a utility player, and was abused by many for the lack of success with his much-vaunted long throws. He became the terror of the Prem. with his performances for Stoke - so whose fault was it if there weren't goals with Saints? - not his - but those who (didn't) get on the end of the throw-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Agree there i do prefer HOLMES on the left.. As long as he can stay away from injury seriously? I'm amazed anyone considers Holmes to be even remotely close to Surman. Holmes is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 A lot of the poorly performing players we have sold have gone on to do quite well for other clubs; Delap, Blackstock, Best, Beattie, Cranie, etc. Maybe its because we as a club have failed them with poor management & board unrest rather than the other way round? Blackstock and Best didn't really get lods of chances, not that I am great fans of either, but how anyone can say that Beattie performed badly for us I will never know. In the early years there was little end product, but he was a top top player for us scoring some wonderful goals. Cranie got very few chances and has done nothing since leaving, so doesn't fit either of yoru criteria. Decrap, well say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Cranie has done nothing since leaving, He is a regular in the England Under 21's and is going to the Euro's so even though not playing at Pompey that statement is a tad harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Surman & Gillet should form the basis of our midfield for the next few years if we can keep them - it was a real pity that Brendan Rodgers came in for Jack Cork...the way that he linked with Surman was pure pleasure to watch & probably his departure cost us our place in CCC. Surman is a Southampton boy through & through & can only get better - for my money (if only I had some) he can provide DMG (I hope he stays too) with passes that will be too good for next years' league opposition. I rate Holmes but he has been far too fragile so far & may not have the physique or stomach for what is ahead. I just wish the speculation woul end so we can start planning again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Agree there i do prefer HOLMES on the left.. As long as he can stay away from injury Big if!!!!! I think Perry Groves was more reliable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 I want him to stay but only if he puts in a shift each week. I can accept playing poorly from time to time, but he like many lacked the necessary fight last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Indeed...when I heard about Surman, Lallana, and Pulis being out on the lash most nights in Bournemouth in the run up to games it tells you all you need to know about professionalism when your club is going down the toilet.... THAT is the culture we need to eradicate at this club - there's plenty of time for them to turn into p***heads when they retire - once they've actually ACHIEVED something of note... Before anyone asks, no I won't disclose the source, but suffice to say it was someone close to that social circle... It's been a problem for years and years and only really Hoddle and WGS tackled it and stated that it was unacceptable for professional athletes. It re-ignited after WGS left allegedly with a passion and look at the results and fitness. Past players thought that "It's OK, Channon and co used to have a few beers and that was Southampton's best side" but they were great, great players and football is different now, certainly in the financial rewards so sacrifices are neccessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 He is a regular in the England Under 21's and is going to the Euro's so even though not playing at Pompey that statement is a tad harsh he was England U20 captain whilst at Saints. He hasn't progressed a great deal since leaving us. A few games for Pompey in the cups, but mostly he has been out on loan in the CCC. He is still young so is a prospect but it pains me to say anything good about him to be honest. ****ign skate judas ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Surman & Gillet should form the basis of our midfield for the next few years if we can keep them - it was a real pity that Brendan Rodgers came in for Jack Cork...the way that he linked with Surman was pure pleasure to watch & probably his departure cost us our place in CCC. Surman is a Southampton boy through & through & can only get better - for my money (if only I had some) he can provide DMG (I hope he stays too) with passes that will be too good for next years' league opposition. I rate Holmes but he has been far too fragile so far & may not have the physique or stomach for what is ahead. I just wish the speculation woul end so we can start planning again! I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is always good to have a local lad in the team and I think he is being battered a bit too much on here. He has clocked up over 100 games for the club, chipped in with some goals and has his roots here. Yes he was alittle out of form at the end of last season but don't all players go in and out of form?? Perhaps a new manager coming in could be the spark he needs. I'm not making excuses but all the antics of last season did n't help the players and with a fresh start under new owners they all get a clean slate in my book. Surman is precisely the type of player that we will need to try and bring to the club so why get rid now? As to the money side we are already seven days into the period for the new owners. Only max 14 to go and the first pre season fixture has been announced so I am sure that we do not need to sell now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Surman & Gillet should form the basis of our midfield for the next few years if we can keep them - it was a real pity that Brendan Rodgers came in for Jack Cork...the way that he linked with Surman was pure pleasure to watch & probably his departure cost us our place in CCC. Surman is a Southampton boy through & through & can only get better - for my money (if only I had some) he can provide DMG (I hope he stays too) with passes that will be too good for next years' league opposition. I rate Holmes but he has been far too fragile so far & may not have the physique or stomach for what is ahead. I just wish the speculation woul end so we can start planning again! I'd agree on some of this and Drew is certainly very able on the ball but apply your comments on Holmes to Drew as well and that would be the issue. Drew lacks upper body strength for the top two divisions yet none of the club's last few coaches have felt able to tell him this or perhaps Drew hasn't taken it on board. If Blackwell buys him I'd tell Drew "in the gym and on the weights". I'd also give Drew a much longer pre-season, as I would with any outgoing Saints player at a new club, to get his fitness and stamina up to that of his colleagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 A lot of the poorly performing players we have sold have gone on to do quite well for other clubs; Delap, Blackstock, Best, Beattie, Cranie, etc. Maybe its because we as a club have failed them with poor management & board unrest rather than the other way round? I would say that, out of those you list, only Delap was poor for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 he was England U20 captain whilst at Saints. He hasn't progressed a great deal since leaving us. A few games for Pompey in the cups, but mostly he has been out on loan in the CCC. He is still young so is a prospect but it pains me to say anything good about him to be honest. ****ign skate judas ****. I said "a tad harsh" You are right he hasn't done alot but has stiff oposition in front of him for a starting place with Glen Johnson at right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 5 June, 2009 Share Posted 5 June, 2009 Surman is our best midielder, I really hope he stays. As much as he was poor in alot of games like the rest of the team he still has more talent and potential than any other midfield player at the club. People comparing the over rated injury prone Holmes to him is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 June, 2009 As much as he was poor in alot of games like the rest of the team he still has more talent and potential than any other midfield player at the club. People comparing the over rated injury prone Holmes to him is laughable. Surman did play very poorly for several games last season. Holmes has only played a handful of games and has been injury prone. He has played well in some of those games. Surman has been, and is likely to be, a better player the Holmes, but to be fair to Holmes, Surman didn't outplay him last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 According to radio Sheffield they,united, have made an undisclosed bid for Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Dave Jones wants him at Cardiff but they need to sell before they buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Surman did play very poorly for several games last season. Holmes has only played a handful of games and has been injury prone. He has played well in some of those games. Surman has been, and is likely to be, a better player the Holmes, but to be fair to Holmes, Surman didn't outplay him last season. If I remember correctly, Holmes was badly crocked by a poor tackle against brum in a carling cup game. He struggled for fitness the rest of the season. But from what I saw of him I thought he was a better player than Surman, more attacking, faster and more penetrating. If, and its a questionable if, he can regain full fitness I think he has more to offer us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Incredibly overrated player, don't think he'll be much of a loss. Would rather him stay then go but if we get decent money for him then it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Incredibly overrated player, don't think he'll be much of a loss. Would rather him stay then go but if we get decent money for him then it's fine. But what will happen to the money? Will it go just to pay more to creditors and then the new owners whack on top as well?. My what a fine job Fry seems to be doing, encourage procrastination and sell as much as you can on the side during the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 yes Holmes is over rated IMO. Surman is underated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 I think the complete opposite. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 18 May, 2010 Share Posted 18 May, 2010 I like Holmes and thought he was doing a cracking job for us before he got injured in the CCC, but I definitely see a role for Surman, if we were able to beat off the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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