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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    I think the blonde fella is this guy - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chri...spieler/346849

    CB we signed from Austria for the academy a couple of years back.
    Yeah that looks right, thanks! Interesting that he is training with the first team when on the website he is only listed as U-18 (compared to a few other youngsters who appear on the first team page).

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    Why the clamour to go 3 at the back?!

    Forster
    Cedric
    Hoedt
    Yoshida
    Bertrand
    Romeu
    Lemina
    Redmond
    Davis
    JWP
    Gabbiadini

    Alternatively, I wouldn't mind seeing Boufal in behind Gabbi, really strange that he's never been tried there.

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    Three at the back is an idiotic idea that gets the best out of no-one, purely to accommodate an out-of-shape and half-arsed looking journeyman incapable of leading the line.

    This should be the team:

    ---------------------------------Forster/McCarthy--------------------------

    Cedric-------------------Yoshida----------------Hoedt-------------Bertrand

    ---------------------------------Lemina----Romeu-------------------------

    ------Gabbiadini/Boufal-------------Davis---------------------Redmond---

    ---------------------------------Long/Gabbiadini---------------------------

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Three at the back is an idiotic idea that gets the best out of no-one, purely to accommodate an out-of-shape and half-arsed looking journeyman incapable of leading the line.

    This should be the team:

    ---------------------------------Forster/McCarthy--------------------------

    Cedric-------------------Yoshida----------------Hoedt-------------Bertrand

    ---------------------------------Lemina----Romeu-------------------------

    ------Gabbiadini/Boufal-------------Davis---------------------Redmond---

    ---------------------------------Long/Gabbiadini---------------------------
    On paper that looks a good team. I'd have McCarthy. Glad to see Tadic is nowhere near it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    On paper that looks a good team. I'd have McCarthy. Glad to see Tadic is nowhere near it
    Fairly devoid of creativity. Highlights the need for another creative signing to replace Davis.

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    In need of one spare ticket if anyone has one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Fairly devoid of creativity. Highlights the need for another creative signing to replace Davis.
    We rarely, if ever have played with three creative players behind the lone striker. We've almost always opted for balance and someone who can track back and support the two DMs in the Davis role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Mulv View Post
    In need of one spare ticket if anyone has one?
    Me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Fairly devoid of creativity. Highlights the need for another creative signing to replace Davis.
    I wouldn't play that team at home but we're away to a team high on confidence and which is decent in the air song think solidity with a bit of pace on the break makes sense.

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    No guarantee we'll throw Hoedt in at this stage, not away and a few days after signing. Watford at home is a suitable fixture and gives him two weeks, although he'll be with Holland for a lot of it.

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    Forster
    Cedric - Yoshida/Stephens - Hoedt- Bertrand
    Lemina - Romeu
    JWP - Boufal - Redmond
    Gabbiadini


    2-0 Saints. Completely different if Hoedt doesn't start though, Stephens and Yoshida are shambolic together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint97 View Post
    2-0 Saints. Completely different if Hoedt doesn't start though, Stephens and Yoshida are shambolic together.
    Are they?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post
    Are they?!
    Weak in the the air, yes. And Udds are strong in that area, so not good. But shambolic, no.

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    Do we not do good old fashioned 4-4-2 any more? Why not start with it, then change as needed? Or move to it if another formation starts.

    How about:

    ---------------McCarthy---------------
    Cedric---Stephens---Yoshi---Bertrand
    Boufal---Romeu----Lemina---Redmond
    ---------Gabbiadini----Austin

    FF needs a break... [correction]... we need a break from FF!
    Bertrand needs to wake his little face up and try some proper overlaps & defensive tackles.
    Gabby could hold the 'no.10' position (whatever that is), with Austin pushing their centre halves all over the shop.

    Hoedt as defensive alternative, or if changing to 3 at the back.
    Got JWP & Davis to offer Midfield alternatives, or even Hoj (though he currently seems to be out of favour)
    Long & Tadic as attacking options (maybe instead of Boufal & Redmond?).

    Surely as professional footballers, spending lots of time on the training ground, they can work out tactical and formation changes. Can't be that hard, can it?

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    Haven't seen Huddersfield yet so won't pretend to know, but I think Stephens and Yoshida are perfectly fine. Not great in the air but serviceable enough to see us through the whole year so far and surely preferable to someone who may not be in sync yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5string View Post
    Do we not do good old fashioned 4-4-2 any more? Why not start with it, then change as needed? Or move to it if another formation starts.

    How about:

    ---------------McCarthy---------------
    Cedric---Stephens---Yoshi---Bertrand
    Boufal---Romeu----Lemina---Redmond
    ---------Gabbiadini----Austin

    FF needs a break... [correction]... we need a break from FF!
    Bertrand needs to wake his little face up and try some proper overlaps & defensive tackles.
    Gabby could hold the 'no.10' position (whatever that is), with Austin pushing their centre halves all over the shop.

    Hoedt as defensive alternative, or if changing to 3 at the back.
    Got JWP & Davis to offer Midfield alternatives, or even Hoj (though he currently seems to be out of favour)
    Long & Tadic as attacking options (maybe instead of Boufal & Redmond?).

    Surely as professional footballers, spending lots of time on the training ground, they can work out tactical and formation changes. Can't be that hard, can it?
    I can't imagine why we'd have Gabbianini anywhere other than on the shoulder. I'm sure I don't need to remind you which of our games so far involved a formation change!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5string View Post
    Do we not do good old fashioned 4-4-2 any more? Why not start with it, then change as needed? Or move to it if another formation starts.

    How about:

    ---------------McCarthy---------------
    Cedric---Stephens---Yoshi---Bertrand
    Boufal---Romeu----Lemina---Redmond
    ---------Gabbiadini----Austin

    FF needs a break... [correction]... we need a break from FF!
    Bertrand needs to wake his little face up and try some proper overlaps & defensive tackles.
    Gabby could hold the 'no.10' position (whatever that is), with Austin pushing their centre halves all over the shop.

    Hoedt as defensive alternative, or if changing to 3 at the back.
    Got JWP & Davis to offer Midfield alternatives, or even Hoj (though he currently seems to be out of favour)
    Long & Tadic as attacking options (maybe instead of Boufal & Redmond?).

    Surely as professional footballers, spending lots of time on the training ground, they can work out tactical and formation changes. Can't be that hard, can it?
    Austin doesn't push centre halves anywhere. He stands still to make it easier for them.

    In this formation, the front two will be isolated. They may not be exciting, but we need at least one of JWP and Davis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5string View Post
    Do we not do good old fashioned 4-4-2 any more? Why not start with it, then change as needed? Or move to it if another formation starts.

    How about:

    ---------------McCarthy---------------
    Cedric---Stephens---Yoshi---Bertrand
    Boufal---Romeu----Lemina---Redmond
    ---------Gabbiadini----Austin

    FF needs a break... [correction]... we need a break from FF!
    Bertrand needs to wake his little face up and try some proper overlaps & defensive tackles.
    Gabby could hold the 'no.10' position (whatever that is), with Austin pushing their centre halves all over the shop.

    Hoedt as defensive alternative, or if changing to 3 at the back.
    Got JWP & Davis to offer Midfield alternatives, or even Hoj (though he currently seems to be out of favour)
    Long & Tadic as attacking options (maybe instead of Boufal & Redmond?).

    Surely as professional footballers, spending lots of time on the training ground, they can work out tactical and formation changes. Can't be that hard, can it?
    Because 442 is a crap formation and leaves huge gaps between defence / midfield / attack, and leaves us weak in the middle of the park against a midfield 3.

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    3-0 saints with goals from gabbi and Redmond

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    Think we'll learn a lot about how much work Pellegrino has to do, or how much he has already done, in this game. A team we should be superior to in every position on the pitch but this will be about mentality and application. We know Huddersfield will be confident and energetic. We need to be professional and earn the right to play our game. Could genuinely go either way, but I'm looking for a few players to step up and justify their wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallana's Left Peg View Post
    Think we'll learn a lot about how much work Pellegrino has to do, or how much he has already done, in this game...
    Totally agree on this one, especially after the league cup game fiasco where I sincerely hope he learned some painful lessons about tinkering with a working formation / knowing when he's made a mistake and should make a change / leaving substitutions too late. I want to see progression from him and how he's managing the players as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboy40 View Post
    Totally agree on this one, especially after the league cup game fiasco where I sincerely hope he learned some painful lessons about tinkering with a working formation / knowing when he's made a mistake and should make a change / leaving substitutions too late. I want to see progression from him and how he's managing the players as well.
    To be honest, I can forgive him trying a new formation, but agree that it's concerning he stuck with it for such a long time when it clearly wasn't working at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully View Post
    3-0 saints with goals from gabbi and Redmond
    we don't do nils

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    we don't do nils
    Correction: we do plenty of nils. It's the teams playing us that don't.

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    Cant see anything other than a home win, I'm afraid, based on first 3 matches, and i didnt think i would have predicted that a few weeks ago....

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    Quote Originally Posted by davefoggy View Post
    Cant see anything other than a home win, I'm afraid, based on first 3 matches, and i didnt think i would have predicted that a few weeks ago....
    Based on the first three matches where we dominated and drew, won, and lost playing an untried formation with several second choice players...

    I understand people being pessimistic about our chances but "based on the first 3 games" doesn't really fit up with a definite loss!

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    Has it been confirmed which kit we're wearing for this one?

    I was wondering why the official preview had the saints crest on a green background (seems otherwise out of place?), and wondered if it was hinting at a green 3rd kit for the game...

    What do we think?


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    Thanks for the comments guys - you can tell I'm no expert. I appreciate the feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Austin doesn't push centre halves anywhere. He stands still to make it easier for them.

    In this formation, the front two will be isolated. They may not be exciting, but we need at least one of JWP and Davis.

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    True, although maybe one of Austin or Gabbi could drop a little? Or do neither of them do that?!
    I thought maybe Lemina was in as a Davis 'replacement' [in time]? Could he not fill the more central role with Romeu supporting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Because 442 is a crap formation and leaves huge gaps between defence / midfield / attack, and leaves us weak in the middle of the park against a midfield 3.
    Big gaps - yeah I can see that. But I'd have thought a middle 3 would be outnumbered by a midfield 4? Boufal & Redmond could squeeze into a more central AM role, couldn't they? Then provide width & trickery in attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanRG View Post

    I can't imagine why we'd have Gabbianini anywhere other than on the shoulder. I'm sure I don't need to remind you which of our games so far involved a formation change!
    Yeah, actually fair point, I agree about Gabbi. He's annoying to opposing defenders so he'd be better right up there. Is this maybe why he & Austin don't normally play together?
    Umm, yes please, my memory's not good. Which game had the formation change? Don't tell me... Wolves?!

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    I'm coming more and more round to the notion of starting Long with his pace, given Huddersfield like to press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    I'm coming more and more round to the notion of starting Long with his pace, given Huddersfield like to press.
    They play an incredibly high line as well, so I'm also agreeing with this notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    I'm coming more and more round to the notion of starting Long with his pace, given Huddersfield like to press.
    Me too. Indeed, part of me thinks it may happen when looking at the fact he didn't start on Wednesday.

    I would like to see a 4-3-3 of:

    -----------------------------Forster------------------------

    Cedric--------Yoshida-------------Hoedt--------Bertrand

    -----------Davis----------Romeu-----------Lemina-------

    ----------Redmond-------Gabbidini--------Long----------

    This could translate into:


    -----------------------------Forster------------------------

    Cedric--------Yoshida-------------Hoedt--------Bertrand

    ----------------Romeu-----------Lemina------------------

    --------------------------Davis-----------------------------

    ----------Redmond-------Gabbidini--------Long----------

    OR


    -----------------------------Forster------------------------

    Cedric--------Yoshida-------------Hoedt--------Bertrand

    -----------Davis----------Romeu-----------Lemina-------

    ---------------------------Gabbiadini----------------------

    ----------Redmond-------------------------Long----------

    Use the pace of Redmond and Long on the break, with Gabbiadini coming into the space behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    They play an incredibly high line as well, so I'm also agreeing with this notion.
    just means long will be offside more

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    Ignoring the cup game (where you always get changes) why does everyone want to change the winning (even if they made hard work off it) team against Wham? The team against Wham was probably our strongest side (the jury being out on the new CB) so we might as well play them together as much as possible. Last season people were raging about constant unenforced changes to the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doddisalegend View Post
    Ignoring the cup game (where you always get changes) why does everyone want to change the winning (even if they made hard work off it) team against Wham? The team against Wham was probably our strongest side (the jury being out on the new CB) so we might as well play them together as much as possible. Last season people were raging about constant unenforced changes to the team.
    Because Tadic isn't very good, and Hoedt needs to start against their big strikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    I'm coming more and more round to the notion of starting Long with his pace, given Huddersfield like to press.
    true, makes sense to be fair

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    Confirmed that Saints will be in the away kit

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    Play 2 up front and we will have a lot more room in behind them than the last two home games; 2 0r 3 -1 to us must be has to be should be could be ….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    Because Tadic isn't very good, and Hoedt needs to start against their big strikers.
    To get the best out of Tadic we need him and Gabbi to click that will only happen if they play regularly together we need to perceiver with those two. Hoedt fair enough though none of us have a clue if he is any good in the air TBF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    I'm coming more and more round to the notion of starting Long with his pace, given Huddersfield like to press.
    Unfortunately though, in order to exploit that strength, you also need both timing and finishing. Nine times out of ten he will be offside and on the odd occasion he does get in he will fluff the finish.

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    I'm going for a narrow win tomorrow.Its time for MP to have a serious rethink re FF. Let's give Mc Carthy a chance and see what happens.

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    Get ready for meltdown on here. Feeling our first defeat!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnersaint View Post
    Get ready for meltdown on here. Feeling our first defeat!!
    Correct. Meltdown and wet beds imminent

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    Can't believe I am going but I wonder why if CB Fry will turn up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juneau View Post
    Has it been confirmed which kit we're wearing for this one?

    I was wondering why the official preview had the saints crest on a green background (seems otherwise out of place?), and wondered if it was hinting at a green 3rd kit for the game...

    What do we think?

    I've been trying for days to get an answer to this from the club - and they simply won't tell me! They have said it's a match officials decision, which, as you say, argues that there's a problem with both kits. It's bizarre.

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    Finally an answer!

    1,530 Saints fans will be housed in the blocks 4,5 and 6 of the Chadwick Lawrence stand at the John Smithís Stadium. Mauricio Pellegrinoís men will be in their black away kit.

    But does that mean black with stripes or last season's black?

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    Long is ****e. People are only suggesting him because of disatisfaction with our recent performances, not because Long is suddenly a better player.

    Many of those suggesting Long have mentioned about Gabbi plahing in the hole, or out wide.

    Look at virtually all his goals for us, they have come by playing on the shoulder of the defender and using his movement and instinctive finishing - moving him further away from goal hardly makes best use of that.

    Keep Long on the bench because better players are ahead of him and his finishing is ****ing woeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Finally an answer!

    1,530 Saints fans will be housed in the blocks 4,5 and 6 of the Chadwick Lawrence stand at the John Smith’s Stadium. Mauricio Pellegrino’s men will be in their black away kit.

    But does that mean black with stripes or last season's black?

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    Just out of interest, why does it matter so much to you?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamplemousse View Post
    Because Tadic isn't very good, and Hoedt needs to start against their big strikers.
    He might not be playing very well, but to say he isn't very good is a bit extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Garrett View Post
    Because 442 is a crap formation and leaves huge gaps between defence / midfield / attack.
    You are getting confused with table football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Long is ****e. People are only suggesting him because of disatisfaction with our recent performances, not because Long is suddenly a better player.

    Many of those suggesting Long have mentioned about Gabbi plahing in the hole, or out wide.

    Look at virtually all his goals for us, they have come by playing on the shoulder of the defender and using his movement and instinctive finishing - moving him further away from goal hardly makes best use of that.

    Keep Long on the bench because better players are ahead of him and his finishing is ****ing woeful.
    This is true. One of the forums tatical geniuses was suggesting that our attacking trio should be Gabbi, Long and Austin which would be the most dysfunctional and technically lacking forward line in the league.

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    Donít think we will lose but 11/4 Huddersfield win seems very generous.

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