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Just looking at the Sheff Wed forum and came across this thread.

 

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=131903&st=0

 

Makes interesting reading, they really rate their squad (rightly so as it looks very strong) but IMO they are seriously underestimating our first 11. Some of them claim that Lallana and Lambo are our only good players, and one even said that Ricky 'isn't that good'!

 

They accuse us of being arrogant (which at times we can be), but then make outrageous claims about them going the whle season without losing a game!:rolleyes:

 

Still it's an interesting read, and it seems their mindset is very much the same as ours - we're the best so automatic is the minimum expectation.

 

IMO our first elevens are similar in terms of quality, but what they gain in having arguably better squad players, we match in terms of having had a year of gelling.

 

Looking forward to the games between us and hope we smash them :D

 

 

Credit must go to faraway saint who gave me the idea to go on their site...

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Not bothered on other people's views on us, they think they have a good squad, good one 'em. If they honestly want to think 'lambert and Lallana' are our only decent players let them. They seem to think they will **** this league. Give it until October when they are mid table and they might have a shock or two.

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"We have a stronger squad and first eleven.

 

Puncheon... Never done owt in a higher league.

 

Connolly.... Biscuits for legs. Crock.

 

Barnard... Goalscorer at League One level. Goalscorer at Championship level (never played)

 

Davis... One of the worst ever displays from a goalkeeper I've seen at Hillsborough. Grant is MILES better.

 

Schniederlin is a good player at league one level... Play at an higher level? Who knows.

 

Lallana is good and Lambert is prolific.

 

As for us, we have regular goalscorers at Championship level. We have Miller who's one of the best midfielder in the league. Johnson would get in any team in the division. Sedgewick has been a consistant starter in the Championship for years. etc. etc.

 

Just don't get the big deal with Southampton. "

That guy... is a plain idiot.

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The problem is, every fan knows their own players better than other teams'. So you never get a fair comparison.

 

The only real way to guage who is better is by asking teams we've played.... I'd love a Hudders or Walsall fan to go on that site and tell them how bloody brilliantly we can play!

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There are two positions for automatic promotion and I am sure Saints will get one of them, because the performances put in against the top teams last year were exceptional. This year we are going to strengthen the squad considerably and I don't believe we are half way finished with the squad come kick off.

 

I would expect one of the other automatic positions to go to one of the CCC relegated teams, which one may come down to luck and finance. If we have bad luck or things are not going well, Cortese has and will use the cheque book to address the issue, Wednesday do not have that option. I am not even sure that Wednesday's debt's have fully caught up with them, something we will see come the start of the season. By all rights, given last years form and their massive support. they should get an automatic spot. But a little money and a decent manager can go a long way in this league.

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Wednesday have a very decent team. Only thing that irritates me is them saying we only have 2 good players. Fonte Schneiderlin Lallana and Davis are at least in the top two for their position in this league and I would suggest Harding is right up there too. That's before even mentioning the new recruits (though I can't judge them as I haven't seen them.) I fully expect us to sign a cracking CM before the end of the window which would fit into the above category. Therefore we will be the best or one of the best in at least 5 or 6 positions. To say we only have 2 good players is a nonsense.

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Wednesday have a very decent team. Only thing that irritates me is them saying we only have 2 good players. Fonte Schneiderlin Lallana and Davis are at least in the top two for their position in this league and I would suggest Harding is right up there too. That's before even mentioning the new recruits (though I can't judge them as I haven't seen them.) I fully expect us to sign a cracking CM before the end of the window which would fit into the above category. Therefore we will be the best or one of the best in at least 5 or 6 positions. To say we only have 2 good players is a nonsense.

 

I dont think it is nonsense they just dont know our players like I dont know their players

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I've never heard of the vast majority of their players, let alone have any idea whether they're any good or not, and I suspect they have a similar level of knowledge of our players so I couldn't really give a monkey's what any Sheffield Wednesday fans think.

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We shouldn't go into this season thinking we can beat any team without trying, that attitude tends to bring about contentedness and with it poor results. On paper we have one of the strongest teams in the League, and have definitely built for the Championship (which one or two of their fans think we haven't), but all fans of the top six or so clubs think the same. There seems to me to be very little between us and Wednesday. We both want top spot, and both view each other as our main rivals. Arrogance amongst fans is good, it shows loyalty more than anything, and I won't deny I think our team the best in the league. Wednesday fans will say the same about their team, Huddersfield (who I think have done very well in the summer vis-a-vis transfers) fans will also think the same.

 

So who has the upper hand of the two teams? Tough to answer than unless you're a neutral. Bouncing back up is tricky, but we proved last season, had we not had the points deduction, that it can be more or less doable in this league. We, however have strengthened the positions that we were weak in last season with two right backs and a left 'midfielder', and I would be very suprised if we don't add a couple more.

 

Tricky. It's not just Wednesday and us that want the top two spots either. For now, whatever happens, I'm just looking forward to the new campaign. I won't worry about other teams, I just want to see Saints play and fight for every point.

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Do they know they sound like? "our players are championship standard....would finish 13th..."

 

Come off it, if they were any good, THEY WOULDNT BE PLAYING FOR YOU IN LEAGUE 1, AND YOU WOULDNT HAVNT BEEN RELEGATED!".

 

Anyway, now that i've got that off my chest, I do think they will finish as champions with us coming in 2nd.

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Do they know they sound like? "our players are championship standard....would finish 13th..."

 

Come off it, if they were any good, THEY WOULDNT BE PLAYING FOR YOU IN LEAGUE 1, AND YOU WOULDNT HAVNT BEEN RELEGATED!".

 

Anyway, now that i've got that off my chest, I do think they will finish as champions with us coming in 2nd.

 

The top two place in this league wil be between them, us and huddersfield.

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Oh dear... they really are in for a shock.

 

Yes, we suffered a very similar fate. We thought in the Champ (at times) and L1 would be easy. It wasn't. Try telling that to Leeds and Forest, too.

 

We'll see. I think we'll finish abbove them, personally..

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Fans of relegated clubs have generally failed to grasp that the reasons why they got relegated are precisely the reasons why they are likely to make little impact in their new league. They also fail to grasp that there is a considerable overlap of abilities between the divisions. Top half league1 teams are more than capable of matching bottom half championships teams. Its not like the difference between the championship and the premiership.

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Comments like "Shows how low we've sunk in recent years when clubs like Southampton are our closest rivals for promotion." crack me up. I'm sorry, last time you were in the top flight was...? And you have played how many seasons in the top flight in the last 35 years?

 

Big (yet f-ing shabby) ground no doubt, but you ain't a big club boys, stop pretending you are. You're not even the biggest in Sheffield, let alone in Yorkshire...

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Comments like "Shows how low we've sunk in recent years when clubs like Southampton are our closest rivals for promotion." crack me up. I'm sorry, last time you were in the top flight was...? And you have played how many seasons in the top flight in the last 35 years?

 

Big (yet f-ing shabby) ground no doubt, but you ain't a big club boys, stop pretending you are. You're not even the biggest in Sheffield, let alone in Yorkshire...

 

I'd guess his next few words were something like..."those arrogant soft southern b'stards"...

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Just looking at the Sheff Wed forum and came across this thread.

 

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=131903&st=0

 

Makes interesting reading, they really rate their squad (rightly so as it looks very strong) but IMO they are seriously underestimating our first 11. Some of them claim that Lallana and Lambo are our only good players, and one even said that Ricky 'isn't that good'!

 

They accuse us of being arrogant (which at times we can be), but then make outrageous claims about them going the whle season without losing a game!:rolleyes:

 

Still it's an interesting read, and it seems their mindset is very much the same as ours - we're the best so automatic is the minimum expectation.

 

IMO our first elevens are similar in terms of quality, but what they gain in having arguably better squad players, we match in terms of having had a year of gelling.

 

Looking forward to the games between us and hope we smash them :D

 

 

Credit must go to faraway saint who gave me the idea to go on their site...

 

Having dropped from the Championship, Sheffield Weds will be the team everyone will want to beat. They will have a mediocre season IMO.

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i work with a Owls supporter & his opinion is that although they have made some good signing's, he thinks they may be in for a shock & expects a play-off spot this season.

 

Most teams that drop in to League 1 from the Championship are usually in the mix for promotion.

 

Perhaps not teams which have only been up in CC for a year or so but teams like Saints Leeds Norwich Charlton Nottm Forest etc with a large fan base

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Quote Dark Owl

Crazy, but you probably spoke to 14-16 year old chavs.

 

More of our players would get into their squad than theirs would get into ours.

 

They've got the odd decent key player here and there, but we've got more key players imo, and at the moment greater depth. (Especially upfront where we have 4 awesome goal threats) Most of the signings are nothing short of very good and at the best, shere surprises. Other teams sniffing around for Promotion in League 1 willl without a doubt be looking at our singings combined with our existing CCC quality players and be thinking, "fook".

 

As for them talking to us like we've never been here before....well we have and with far, far less squad base, less quality and far less experience. I also don't believe League 1 has got better, infact there's a lot more smaller supported clubs with less resources.

 

We've got a significantly better squad than the Norwich side that just went up. So if we gel, there's no reason why we won't finish Champions. At the moment that's the only concern - gelling. We've double checked the box for decent summer signings, we've ticked the box for a good manager who players want to work for, we could have a right seasons here.

 

I just love the blinkered arrogance of this guy, especially when he dismisses the posts of those confident Saints as probably young chavs. You're not a young chav yourself,by any chance, Dark Owl, as the tone of your post is strikingly reminiscent.

 

I especially loved his assertion that most of their players would get into our squad, whereas most of ours wouldn't get into theirs. As most of our squad were in the League 1 team of the year last season, I very much doubt it. Furthermore, there have been clubs higher placed than SW who were vying for the signatures of some of those players and we snatched them from under their noses.

 

I am perfectly content for them to underestimate us, as that is the biggest mistake that you can make at this level, as we have found out to our cost on a couple of occasions. As for their resident clown's opinion that they must have sunk really low if we are their main rivals in the division, their record during the past thirty years is not a match for ours, they having already sunk down to these depths before. I really enjoyed his comment that they have a far better squad than the Norwich one which went up as champions. He obviously didn't bother to do his research properly, as we came out better than them over the matches we played them last season. Further amusement was provided by his opinion that they have 4 awesome goal threats up front. Again, Dark Owl, have a look at the stats of ours and these are players who have proved their prowess at this level.

 

So as I said, go ahead and believe that we will get turned over by your team, whose glory days as a big club are far in the distant past. But ignore at your peril the dangers that a team recently relegated might not have the right mental attitude right away, that a poor start will create a further drop in confidence and that a raft of new players will need time to adjust and gel together. We have been there and done that and the confidence in our squad is high, We are just fine tuning a squad that would have been right up there had it not been for the points deduction and the slow start caused by the lack of a pre-season and other changes.

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I have a Wednesday mate, and he's certain they'll be champions this year, walk the league etc. I told him it doesn't work like that, ask Charlton.

 

I too have a Wednesday mate and he says that last season whenever he watched them they were absolute sh#t !

He is also rather pessimistic for the coming campaign as he reckons they always take time to settle and have a history of ****ing things up whenever expectations are high !!

I guess that they have a cross-section of fans similar to our own and that opinions will vary accordingly !

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I have a Wednesday mate, and he's certain they'll be champions this year, walk the league etc. I told him it doesn't work like that, ask Charlton.

 

Funny that I have a Wednesday mate (from Winchester, short fat and bald ... same one ?) he thinks exactly the same :-)

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Quote Dark Owl

 

I just love the blinkered arrogance of this guy, especially when he dismisses the posts of those confident Saints as probably young chavs. You're not a young chav yourself,by any chance, Dark Owl, as the tone of your post is strikingly reminiscent.

 

I especially loved his assertion that most of their players would get into our squad, whereas most of ours wouldn't get into theirs. As most of our squad were in the League 1 team of the year last season, I very much doubt it. Furthermore, there have been clubs higher placed than SW who were vying for the signatures of some of those players and we snatched them from under their noses.

 

I am perfectly content for them to underestimate us, as that is the biggest mistake that you can make at this level, as we have found out to our cost on a couple of occasions. As for their resident clown's opinion that they must have sunk really low if we are their main rivals in the division, their record during the past thirty years is not a match for ours, they having already sunk down to these depths before. I really enjoyed his comment that they have a far better squad than the Norwich one which went up as champions. He obviously didn't bother to do his research properly, as we came out better than them over the matches we played them last season. Further amusement was provided by his opinion that they have 4 awesome goal threats up front. Again, Dark Owl, have a look at the stats of ours and these are players who have proved their prowess at this level.

 

So as I said, go ahead and believe that we will get turned over by your team, whose glory days as a big club are far in the distant past. But ignore at your peril the dangers that a team recently relegated might not have the right mental attitude right away, that a poor start will create a further drop in confidence and that a raft of new players will need time to adjust and gel together. We have been there and done that and the confidence in our squad is high, We are just fine tuning a squad that would have been right up there had it not been for the points deduction and the slow start caused by the lack of a pre-season and other changes.

 

Basically, what you've just said - you've saved me writing it out myself.

 

Unbelievable arrogance and... stupidity.

 

"Four awesome goal threats" LMAO

 

Ummm..... Morrison, Heffernan, Mellor and Tudgay? Hardly in the prolific category of Lambert, Lallana, Barnard and Connolly!

 

FWIW, just looked at their team... yes, it looks as if it's quite strong - no guarantee for success though, especially in these murky dpeths....

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FWIW, just looked at their team... yes, it looks as if it's quite strong - no guarantee for success though, especially in these murky dpeths....

 

 

Correct, success in our league depends on what you do against the piles of shît as one,of their more erudite posters so succinctly called them,and as I have realised those games are often a bit of a lottery that goes one way or the other according to the fall of the coin in dodgy refereeing decisions. Unless you can completely shock and awe the crap sides from the start, your results against the better sides count for little.

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FWIW, just looked at their team... yes, it looks as if it's quite strong - no guarantee for success though, especially in these murky dpeths....

 

I looked at their squad yesterday and thought "meh". I'll probably regret this comment but on paper some of the Owl's names stand out, but looking at their individual recent history most are way past their best and signing for a league one club is about the best they can expect. They players already at the club are hardly worth shouting about as they were very low on confidence and utter shyte last season.

 

If the team continues to struggle scoring (I'm not convinced about the striking freebees thay have picked up to address this problem) and an injury / loss of form for Purse and they will struggle.

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lets be honest, its all speculation till the season gets going, but i'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say, we will finish second (saints never quite do the job properly) and they will finish in the play offs (due to some 'come down to the earth crashing' results as they once again realise they are playing rochdale on a tuesday night in the depths of L1) ...call me an arrogant saints fan, but I think we have at least one more signing in us before the season starts and I think we will do better than them ...this little trip to switzerland hasnt cost us nothing ...cortese and pardew are taking this pre season seriously.

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The problem is, every fan knows their own players better than other teams'. So you never get a fair comparison.

 

The only real way to guage who is better is by asking teams we've played.... I'd love a Hudders or Walsall fan to go on that site and tell them how bloody brilliantly we can play!

 

It's all opinion. Certainly, after each game with the Owls, the rival message board will be one to visit for more informed opinions.

 

I can see them being a good contender for promotion and probably one of about four teams, us included, who could seriously make a fist for the top two places.

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