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I predict a slow start this season which will call for some fans to question Pardew's position

 

As a reality check compare WGS's reign at Boro.

 

Most people would agree that WGS was our most successful Manager in recent times and would have been glad to have him back.

 

However his record at Boro' has been 9 wins in 35 games.

 

He has been given a large transfer budget and Boro' are favourites for Promotion yet lost 3-1 at home to Ipswich

 

Just a factual point to put our situation in perspective.

 

However Nigel Pearson on the other hand........................

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It is weird how some managers do really well then just turn cr@p.

 

Horse for courses I think. My Coventry supporting mate hates Strachan, and so do the few Celtic fans I know. But for us he was great.

 

I think Pardew is the man for us, we will go up this season.

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Tactically inept but has captured the hearts and minds of the players and made some shrewed signings.

 

He is the man for the moment, you can hardly moan at NC for wanting shot of him at the end of last year, i hear he begged for the extra cash and failed.

 

My worry however is that given a season AP will promote us, but if NC is trigger happy it could see the end of Lallana, Schniederlin and Lambert in the red & white

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my worry for pardew is that he is on borrowed time....

 

cortese was pretty up front in saying he wanted league as a priority...they came here to get us to the premier league...

I guess he felt that the cups got in the way....in a way he was right and wrong..right in the sense that our results after a cup tie were where ther most points were dropped..wrong in that we won a trophy at wembley....

 

either way, IF..(if) pardew was given a brief that the league was where the money was pointing...he then came out and put the cups as priority..then there is only going to be one winner..

 

pardew is no way as good as some would think...we had the chance to get into the playoffs...and WE blew it..simple as that

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I know Reading fans who think that Pardew is great and I also know Charlton fans who think that he is cr@p !

It really all depends on what you achieve (given reasonable time and budget) !

So far I reckon that Pards has done pretty well and am confident that this will continue !

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my worry for pardew is that he is on borrowed time....

 

cortese was pretty up front in saying he wanted league as a priority...they came here to get us to the premier league...

I guess he felt that the cups got in the way....in a way he was right and wrong..right in the sense that our results after a cup tie were where ther most points were dropped..wrong in that we won a trophy at wembley....

 

either way, IF..(if) pardew was given a brief that the league was where the money was pointing...he then came out and put the cups as priority..then there is only going to be one winner..

 

pardew is no way as good as some would think...we had the chance to get into the playoffs...and WE blew it..simple as that

 

This.

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We did blow it, or he and his team did, but with reasonable excuses in such a turbulent start. Coming 3rd overall was still good, but if we'd started on zero, I'm not sure 3rd would have been considered a great result. 7th was annoying given the slip ups, we should have had 6th there's little doubt. But I think you can always make excuses first season, especially here. Now it's crunch time and there are no excuses. Time, money, stability is there. I don't know how good Pardew is, he sounds intelligent enough, picks a decent team and usually the logical team here, but he's not positive enough IMO.

 

thought we came 5th....?

even after the first 10 games...we still managed to blow it...just look at oldham at home..james on/james off...WTF????

 

I like pardew, hope he succeeds with saints..however if we are playing catch up after 10 games then I would not lose sleep if he went..

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The set up has to be right for that manager to succeed - he needs the right chairman or chief executive behind him and the right environment

 

for example Lowe and Redknapp was never going to work

 

whereas Hoddle and Lowe worked well

 

Sturrock was a case of wrong man wrong club

 

with Strachan everything was right for short term success and he looked a better manager than he was

 

managers need the right squad to start with or time to build the right one - pardew never had the time or money at Charlton

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I think that Pards should be given until Christmas to let results do the talking. I do however have my concerns. He got it totally wrong (again) yesterday with the persistence of Route One Football. We had two of the smallest forwards in the league up top, Lallana, who is at times unstoppable in this division, Dickson, who showed at SMS last season what he can do with the ball at his feet, Schneiderlin, who can play some superb passes on the deck, and Puncheon, who can scare the life out of players who are as inept as that of Lee Molynuex. Yet time and time again the ball was literally Hoofed up to Connolly or Barnard. The few times Dickson went on a run he was crowded out as he had to wait so long for support to arrive.

 

With these players at our disposal, I can't help but wonder why we ate still resorting to hoof ball, especially when Lambo is nowhere to be seen.

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Manager has less than 4 weeks before start of season when taking over a team fresh from relegation and a club from administration.

 

Said manager then wins the third best total of points but subject to a penalty based on previous ownership misses out on the play-offs.

 

In the meantime he wins a cup competition without some of his signings (due to registration rules) and gives the fanbase one if it's best days out fir years.

 

Subsequently expectations understandabley reach the heights of nailed on promotion.

 

After one game, without it's best two players the team and therefore the manager are questioned after a defeat down to a mistake in defence.

 

What happens then is that some of the fanbase think that either the players or the manager or both aren't up to the task.

 

At half time in said game no one would have felt the same.

 

Therefore anyone who thinks the manager isn't good enough now should think how they felt at half time!!

 

Get a grip saints fans..........

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Pardew is certainly a better football manager than any of us who post on here.

Some of us would have brought on Lallana at half-time thinking that if he was fit enough to play 30 minutes he could probably do 45, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us would have brought on the second sub earlier than the 90th minute so that fresh legs might make a difference, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us would have used Oxlade-Chamberlaine as the second sub because he'd played more games in pre-season than Holmes, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us might have substituted Connolly, not because he wasn't playing well, but because he was too similar to Barnard, and of the two Barnard's flicks off seemed to be having slightly more effect if there was someone to pick them up, but Pardew knew that keeping them both on was better.

Some of us would have thought that of the available subs, Lallana could have been brought on as a striker alongside Barnard, with Alex O-C coming on at left MF, but Pardew knew better.

 

Those ideas are obviously plain daft, which is why Pardew is Manager and fans are just fans.

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I went to the game yesterday and didn't think it that bad. I'm in the minority because it seems everyone disagrees with me. There are problem areas of course but it's not THAT bad. I expect I'll get a load of flak for daring to suggest that but I've seen a lot of poor performances and that wasn't one of them. It's a shame really but reading the posts today it seems the anger hasn't died down - people are still really angry and I can't relate to them at all.

 

Oh well, we're all saints fans and want the same thing but after this weekend? Well, I'm just glad I don't sit near most of you.

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Manager has less than 4 weeks before start of season when taking over a team fresh from relegation and a club from administration.

 

Said manager then wins the third best total of points but subject to a penalty based on previous ownership misses out on the play-offs.

 

In the meantime he wins a cup competition without some of his signings (due to registration rules) and gives the fanbase one if it's best days out fir years.

 

Subsequently expectations understandabley reach the heights of nailed on promotion.

 

After one game, without it's best two players the team and therefore the manager are questioned after a defeat down to a mistake in defence.

 

What happens then is that some of the fanbase think that either the players or the manager or both aren't up to the task.

 

At half time in said game no one would have felt the same.

 

Therefore anyone who thinks the manager isn't good enough now should think how they felt at half time!!

 

Get a grip saints fans..........

 

We had a good season, granted. But it could, maybe should have been a bit better. But we couldn't play on bad pitches.

 

Pardew is certainly a better football manager than any of us who post on here.

Some of us would have brought on Lallana at half-time thinking that if he was fit enough to play 30 minutes he could probably do 45, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us would have brought on the second sub earlier than the 90th minute so that fresh legs might make a difference, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us would have used Oxlade-Chamberlaine as the second sub because he'd played more games in pre-season than Holmes, but Pardew knew better.

Some of us might have substituted Connolly, not because he wasn't playing well, but because he was too similar to Barnard, and of the two Barnard's flicks off seemed to be having slightly more effect if there was someone to pick them up, but Pardew knew that keeping them both on was better.

Some of us would have thought that of the available subs, Lallana could have been brought on as a striker alongside Barnard, with Alex O-C coming on at left MF, but Pardew knew better.

 

Those ideas are obviously plain daft, which is why Pardew is Manager and fans are just fans.

 

 

This.

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We won 9 points fewer than the champions. Disaster. The vast majority of the fanbase expected mid table at best during 2009. When results improved and signings were made ( down to Pardew) expectations changed.

 

Most fans are fickle and are clueless regarding sport.

 

Most fans are unable to look at the bigger picture and merely react game by game.

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If we don't improve in the next 3 or 4 games I can see a parting of the ways.

 

Personally, I think we should stick with Pardew now. Can't see the benefit in bringing a new manager in who wouldn't have time to change side. Unless of course it was an appointment that would galvanise the players, club and supporters.....

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Professor you know best, what team do you manage?

 

Why don't you manage Saints?

As it happens, I did play in the old Hampshire League before it became the Wessex League and I have managed at local league level in Sussex, but you don't need to have coaching qualifications to have an opinion. My point is that some of the decisions yesterday were questionable at the least but you may know better and certainly your opinion is entirely valid, whatever it is.

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As it happens, I did play in the old Hampshire League before it became the Wessex League and I have managed at local league level in Sussex, but you don't need to have coaching qualifications to have an opinion. My point is that some of the decisions yesterday were questionable at the least but you may know better and certainly your opinion is entirely valid, whatever it is.

 

Were you succesful? I doubt it !!

 

Nevertheless at least you have experience in the field, and fair play.

 

Mind you, having a chance at the job and making a success of it are two totally different things.

 

If your methods are sound why aren't you still managing or managing at a higher level?

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Were you succesful? I doubt it !!

 

Nevertheless at least you have experience in the field, and fair play.

 

Mind you, having a chance at the job and making a success of it are two totally different things.

 

If your methods are sound why aren't you still managing or managing at a higher level?

 

Why dont you manage Saints, poon? :rolleyes:

 

Give him til Xmas, if we arent in Top 6 he gets the chop, simples.

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my worry for pardew is that he is on borrowed time....

 

cortese was pretty up front in saying he wanted league as a priority...they came here to get us to the premier league...

I guess he felt that the cups got in the way....in a way he was right and wrong..right in the sense that our results after a cup tie were where ther most points were dropped..wrong in that we won a trophy at wembley....

 

either way, IF..(if) pardew was given a brief that the league was where the money was pointing...he then came out and put the cups as priority..then there is only going to be one winner..

 

pardew is no way as good as some would think...we had the chance to get into the playoffs...and WE blew it..simple as that

 

 

 

Correct. It's not what people want to hear but he desperately needs to win on Saturday. A loss or a draw won't mean the sack but I think he would be staring down the barrel going into the third game and it's often a spiral down from there.

 

Hopefully it will be all academic and we will do the business against MK Dons (we couldn't be playing a better opponent in that we always beat them).

 

But Pardew has the sword over his head. Harsh but I think true. He, and we, need a blistering first ten games from here on in, not least because a Pardew sacking is more likely to lead to a Strachan-at-Boro rebuild (again) job rather than a Lambert-at-Norwich storm up the leagues.

 

And I say rebuild not that we need rebuilding, just that I think if Cortese sacks Pardew he'll sack them all -Murdoch, Wilkins, Downes, the lot.

 

And let's be clear before SOG starts bellyaching. I don't want him sacked at all. In my eyes he delivered the instant success I said he would (and SOG and many others said he wouldn't) last season. And I think he will get us promoted, underperforming in the first game is irrelevent and not uncommon for champions.

 

But the pressure on him, now, next week and the week after is immense. This is not Steve Gibson we are dealing with here.

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Correct. It's not what people want to hear but he desperately needs to win on Saturday. A loss or a draw won't mean the sack but I think he would be staring down the barrel going into the third game and it's often a spiral down from there.

 

Hopefully it will be all academic and we will do the business against MK Dons (we couldn't be playing a better opponent in that we always beat them).

 

But Pardew has the sword over his head. Harsh but I think true. He, and we, need a blistering first ten games from here on in, not least because a Pardew sacking is more likely to lead to a Strachan-at-Boro rebuild (again) job rather than a Lambert-at-Norwich storm up the leagues.

 

And I say rebuild not that we need rebuilding, just that I think if Cortese sacks Pardew he'll sack them all -Murdoch, Wilkins, Downes, the lot.

 

And let's be clear before SOG starts bellyaching. I don't want him sacked at all. In my eyes he delivered the instant success I said he would (and SOG and many others said he wouldn't) last season. And I think he will get us promoted, underperforming in the first game is irrelevent and not uncommon for champions.

 

But the pressure on him, now, next week and the week after is immense. This is not Steve Gibson we are dealing with here.

 

CB Fry, as always I totally agree with you and you talk sense.

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Good grief. People do have short memories.

 

In his last few months with Saints the fan base were VERY divided about WGS and whether he had taken us 'as far as he could'.

 

NC was roundly booed (undeservedly so in my view) when cameras focused on him at Wembley because of his alleged plan to oust AP (never substantiated by the mischevious Echo).

 

So one game into the season people are predicting sackings and disaster when we had our star striker injured, against a team tipped for a top 5 place, and we lose despite a good first half....

 

.... sorry but I think we need a bit of perspective here.

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One game ffs and all this doom and gloom. Do you think another manager would walk straight in and sort out your percieved problems. see what happens after the end of the transfer window, and if by then we haven't re-signed (Papa or Antonio) or bought in a fast (or couple of fast) impact player(s) which we clearly lack, then is the time to worry.

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Not saying he should go, but as a side thought, if AP did at some point get the boot, do you think Cortese would bring in a proven League One/Championship manager or use his "contacts" to bring in someone from the continent?

 

The latter would be a huge risk if it did happen (we all enjoyed "the Dutch experiment" under Lowe didn't we?), but I could see it happening.

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Good grief. People do have short memories.

 

In his last few months with Saints the fan base were VERY divided about WGS and whether he had taken us 'as far as he could'.

 

NC was roundly booed (undeservedly so in my view) when cameras focused on him at Wembley because of his alleged plan to oust AP (never substantiated by the mischevious Echo).

 

So one game into the season people are predicting sackings and disaster when we had our star striker injured, against a team tipped for a top 5 place, and we lose despite a good first half....

 

.... sorry but I think we need a bit of perspective here.

 

Agreed - but to have a bit of perspective requires taking the long view and waiting to see how things are going after four or five games. Part of that perspective requires acknowledging that we're never going to know much of the inside information that governs the way key personnel at the club operate. Despite the ITK attitude of many on here, we are really just spectators.

 

Nonetheless, we have a vociferous minority on here who prefer knee-jerk reactions after every game. They pretend to understand what's happening behind the scenes; they speculate wildly about attitudes and motivations; they natter on endlessly about things they are in no real position to judge.

 

But there you are - plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

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So one game into the season people are predicting sackings and disaster when we had our star striker injured, against a team tipped for a top 5 place, and we lose despite a good first half....

 

.... sorry but I think we need a bit of perspective here.

 

I never thought I would be agreeing with CB Fry, but you are not reading these posts as they are intended. There is a BIG difference between predicting sackings, and thinking that it is the right thing to do.

 

People think Cortese may be the type to wield the axe (although at the moment there is no hard evidence for that, just hunches), that doesn't mean they want him to.

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Oh dear - one game in and the doom-mongers are predicting the end. Let's just wait until 10 games in and reflect on where the season might take us at that time eh? Comment on the way the game went for sure, but to start to question AP's position is extremely premature IMO.

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Why dont you manage Saints, poon? :rolleyes:

 

Give him til Xmas, if we arent in Top 6 he gets the chop, simples.

 

Poon?!! Brilliant!

 

I'm not a football manager, haven't said I am. I am an experienced manager and know what I think are the traits of a good manager. And I think Pardew is a good manager.

 

When "people" slag someone off for no real reason and without substance it is wrong. Give reasons and debate.

 

Despite how I feel right now if come Christmas we are outside the top 6 depending on the points gap I would probably agree with you that maybe a change would be good. Depends who's available and appointed of course!!

 

I just don't believe we will be in that position, but I do think Pardew needs to make 2-3 decent attacking signings in order to nail automatic promotion.

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Oh dear - one game in and the doom-mongers are predicting the end. Let's just wait until 10 games in and reflect on where the season might take us at that time eh? Comment on the way the game went for sure, but to start to question AP's position is extremely premature IMO.

 

We cannot wait 10 games if we want promotion, sorry..

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[quote=adriansfc;805162 They may not know all the details of training and coaching, but they can form an opinion on what they see, and for many on here, they've watched Saints and some of our players for far longer than the manager. Of course it doesn't mean they'd make good managers, but it doesn't mean they can't question decisions

Yes, he's more successful than me, but that doesn't make him, or anyone else above questioning forever. Anthony Pulis is probably a far better player than me but I can still watch and comment on his ability.

 

maybe I've not made my point clear enough. I love debate and listen to all opinions, but to be a valid opinion should there not be some reasoning behind it?

 

I don't mind if I'm the only person who believes Pardew is good but if everyone else is just " out with Pardew" ( I know they're not!) without giving any reasons I won't change my mind.

 

At the moment I see no logical reason to get on the managers back.

 

In a few months time it may be different. It may even be different if he doesn't sign any more players this month!!

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If worst case scenario did happen, Poyet for me

 

I have to agree with that statement 100%, ask any Leeds fan about Poyet and they will tell you the same thing, that it was him driving that team and not Wise when the pair managed them; Brighton are my dark horse for this season and when you take into account the funds he has available to him; then it just makes him even better, however, A.P. has done a good job so far and after one game we really cannot call for his head; but if it was me I would not leave it until Christmas before making a call I would give it until the end of October at the latest.

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Pardew needs at least 10 league games before any rash decisions IMO. Saturday was not great but a bit of perspective please - Plymouth are a good side with a solid defence and we missed our 2 best players. We should have taken something from the game, probably won it by half time but that's football.

To say that the current team (without additions) wouldn't make even the top 6 is ludicrous, there are some very poor teams in this division (as well as some good) and we still have the core of the team that accumulated 82 points last year. A long way to go yet, although I will be more worried if we don't sign another striker and a wide player with pace by the end of the transfer window.

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