Plymouth Argyle and impact on League One (latest: appointing an administrator)

[Matthew Le God]

Unlike many other teams in financial difficulty, there is a real chance Plymouth Argyle will be liquidated next week. Even the "safety net" of going into administration maybe unlikely due to a number of factors. Many Argyle fans think the away game to Brentford could be the last ever game for the Green Army.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/9380064.stm

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12309652

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12332438

 

If they are, then their results would be expunged from League One, the league would become a 44 game season rather than 46 and as things stand before tonights game vs Exeter it would in theory look how it does below...

 

                     Pl    GD     Pts

Brighton              24    23     46    
[b]Southampton           24    22     41[/b]
.......................................    
Bournemouth           25    16     40
Huddersfield          24    10     40
MK Dons               26    -1     40
Colchester            24     0     37
.......................................  
Peterborough          24     0     36
Sheff Weds            24     9     35
Rochdale              24     5     35
Exeter                25    -4     35
Carlisle              23    10     34
Charlton              22     4     34
Oldham                24    -2     34
Leyton Orient         24     2     32
Hartlepool            24    -9     31
Brentford             25    -5     29
Yeovil                25   -12     29
Notts County          22    -2     27
Tranmere              24    -9     27
Swindon               25   -10     27
.......................................  
Bristol Rovers        24   -18     27
Dag & Red             23   -14     21
Walsall               26   -17     20

[Colinjb]

Fingers crossed for the Argyle boys.

 

It puts us back in the top 2, 5 behind with 20 to play.

 

Not a bad position to be in, lets hope it doesn't come to that though.

[silversaint]

Having been in that position ourselves I really hope Plymouth pull through & get themselves out of this mess. Don't think we'll need to rely on their misfortune for promotion, sure NA will sort things out so we finish top 2, starting tonight.

[thesaint sfc]

I blame that awful Aviva advert.

[jawillwill]

Unlike many other teams in financial difficulty, there is a real chance Plymouth Argyle will be liquidated next week. Even the "safety net" of going into administration maybe unlikely due to a number of factors. Many Argyle fans think the away game to Brentford could be the last ever game for the Green Army.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/9380064.stm

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12309652

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12332438

 

If they are, then their results would be expunged from League One, the league would become a 44 game season rather than 46 and as things stand before tonights game vs Exeter it would in theory look how it does below...

 

                     Pl    GD     Pts

Brighton              24    23     46    
[b]Southampton           24    22     41[/b]
.......................................    
Bournemouth           25    16     40
Huddersfield          24    10     40
MK Dons               26    -1     40
Colchester            24     0     37
.......................................  
Peterborough          24     0     36
Sheff Weds            24     9     35
Rochdale              24     5     35
Exeter                25    -4     35
Carlisle              23    10     34
Charlton              22     4     34
Oldham                24    -2     34
Leyton Orient         24     2     32
Hartlepool            24    -9     31
Brentford             25    -5     29
Yeovil                25   -12     29
Notts County          22    -2     27
Tranmere              24    -9     27
Swindon               25   -10     27
.......................................  
Bristol Rovers        24   -18     27
Dag & Red             23   -14     21
Walsall               26   -17     20

 

This is what we've though before. This is what Pompey fans thought before. This is what Leeds fans have thought before. It's what fans of most clubs have thought before. It won't happen and they'll be absolutely fine.

[beatlesaint]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

I remember much too clearly how I felt in the months before Markus came along and saved us.

 

Unlike some Argyle haven't cheated and lied their way through a mess so i hope they pull through.

[Toadhall Saint]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

I remember much too clearly how I felt in the months before Markus came along and saved us.

 

Unlike some Argyle haven't cheated and lied their way through a mess so i hope they pull through.

 

Seconded.

[Matthew Le God]

This is what we've though before. This is what Pompey fans thought before. This is what Leeds fans have thought before. It's what fans of most clubs have thought before. It won't happen and they'll be absolutely fine.

 

- Leeds have a huge fanbase and potential.

- Pompey had £48m of parachute payments and even now could still go under.

 

Where as Plymouth have crowds of 8,000 in League One, huge debts, not paid players on time for 3 months and most likely trading whilst insolvent. There is a good chance they will skip administration and go straight to liquidation if no money comes from their Japanese investors.

[Trader]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

I remember much too clearly how I felt in the months before Markus came along and saved us.

 

Unlike some Argyle haven't cheated and lied their way through a mess so i hope they pull through.

 

Thirded

[RedArmy]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

.

I would, this league is depressing and their fans are cvnts.

[Matthew Le God]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

Seconded.

 

Thirded

 

Well if Plymouth Argyle had sold some more of their Championship team in the summer rather than January, maybe they wouldn't be in as much mess as they are now and maybe they wouldn't have beaten Saints in August!

[Whitey Grandad]

I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

I remember much too clearly how I felt in the months before Markus came along and saved us.

 

Unlike some Argyle haven't cheated and lied their way through a mess so i hope they pull through.

 

Fourthted

 

I wouldn't wish that on anybody and much as I'd like the loss expunged I have always fancied a trip down west.

[Window Cleaner]

I wouldn't mind at all if Plymouth got chucked out and all their results were voided, but it won't happen unfortunately and until it does football clubs will carry on living beyond their means .

[bridge too far]

At least they (eventually) paid their taxes.

[Johnny Shearer]

I don't see them going under. Its not happened so far and not likely to happen soon either in my opinion.

[Matthew Le God]

I don't see them going under. Its not happened so far and not likely to happen soon either in my opinion.

 

Strange logic. The court case isn't until next week.

[Thedelldays]

the money from the japanese looks like it wont come for argyle........so the rumour is anyway

they looked screwed as they never got enough revenue in during the window....the sale (or not) of BWP fecked them right up

[Johnny Shearer]

Strange logic. The court case isn't until next week.

 

I meant in general with clubs going bust/under. All the larger clubs have survived one way or another.

[Chin Strain]

Weren't they after a 40,000 all seater stadium....until recently?

 

I wouldn't want them to go under either - fair point by MLG and Window Cleaner above though. Apparently they lobbed a couple of million at their world cup bid. Bonkers.

[Thedelldays]

Weren't they after a 40,000 all seater stadium....until recently?

 

I wouldn't want them to go under either - fair point by MLG and Window Cleaner above though. Apparently they lobbed a couple of million at their world cup bid. Bonkers.

the club never lobbed the money for the world cup bid...the city did (i think)..it is a city bid, not the club...

also, the council have said they will not be bailing argyle out, there was talk about the council re-buying Home Park and renting it back...but that is not an option it seems..

 

their fans are litterally begging their japanese shareholders for money and sending petitions etc......that seems to be their only hope..

 

of all the clubs in the last few years that have gone into admin, argyle APPEAR to be in the worst state.....worrying times

[JackFrost]

Fourthted

 

I wouldn't wish that on anybody and much as I'd like the loss expunged I have always fancied a trip down west.

 

Fifthed

 

(Let's see how high we can get this )

[Matthew Le God]

Fourthted

 

I wouldn't wish that on anybody and much as I'd like the loss expunged I have always fancied a trip down west.

 

Fifthed

 

(Let's see how high we can get this )

 

You both ignored post #11

 

Well if Plymouth Argyle had sold some more of their Championship team in the summer rather than January, maybe they wouldn't be in as much mess as they are now and maybe they wouldn't have beaten Saints in August!

[solentstars]

Having been in that position ourselves I really hope Plymouth pull through & get themselves out of this mess. Don't think we'll need to rely on their misfortune for promotion, sure NA will sort things out so we finish top 2, starting tonight.

 

i agree would hate them to lose their football team

[Saintandy666]

Plymouth seemed like a nice club and I really hope they don't go under.

[Chin Strain]

the club never lobbed the money for the world cup bid...the city did (i think)..it is a city bid, not the club...

also, the council have said they will not be bailing argyle out, there was talk about the council re-buying Home Park and renting it back...but that is not an option it seems..

 

their fans are litterally begging their japanese shareholders for money and sending petitions etc......that seems to be their only hope..

 

of all the clubs in the last few years that have gone into admin, argyle APPEAR to be in the worst state.....worrying times

 

I'm certain they did throw some money at it...according to a Plymouth fan at work anyway. Apparently the council spent £136k

[Saintandy666]

Would leave a massive hole in south west football as well

[alpine_saint]

Despite the fact that SFC would benefit from it, there is only one club on the planet I would wish liquidation on, and it certainly aint Plymouth. It does however also begin with "P" and also hosts lots of funny men with a penchant for bell-bottomed trousers.

 

Hope something comes up for Plymouth.

[rocknrollman no2]

Despite the fact that SFC would benefit from it, there is only one club on the planet I would wish liquidation on, and it certainly aint Plymouth. It does however also begin with "P" and also hosts lots of funny men with a penchant for bell-bottomed trousers.

 

Hope something comes up for Plymouth.

 

Well said.

[Crab Lungs]

Despite the fact that SFC would benefit from it, there is only one club on the planet I would wish liquidation on, and it certainly aint Plymouth. It does however also begin with "P" and also hosts lots of funny men with a penchant for bell-bottomed trousers.

 

Hope something comes up for Plymouth.

 

Yup - good luck Plymouth.

[Toadhall Saint]

Well if Plymouth Argyle had sold some more of their Championship team in the summer rather than January, maybe they wouldn't be in as much mess as they are now and maybe they wouldn't have beaten Saints in August!

 

So you'll be happy for them to go to the wall will you? You sound a little bitter about them beating us? and I thought you were one of the more reasonable posters on here.

[Matthew Le God]

So you'll be happy for them to go to the wall will you? You sound a little bitter about them beating us? and I thought you were one of the more reasonable posters on here.

 

I don't want them to go to the wall at all. I have a soft spot for Plymouth having lived there for a large part of my life. If any team were my second team, it would be Argyle.

[Toadhall Saint]

I don't want them to go to the wall at all. I have a soft spot for Plymouth having lived there for a large part of my life. If any team were my second team, it would be Argyle.

 

Glad to read it MLG - my faith is restored!

[Fan The Flames]

You both ignored post #11

 

So let me get this right, despite our club nearly going pop and all the pain that caused you are OK with it happening to another set of fans because you, without knowing all the facts, think Plymouth made one mistake. Then you fail to understand why people think its sad despite your brilliant post 11.

 

I reckon you want them to go out of business so you can get excited over the re-calibration of the table. Strange man.

[The Cat]

Would be horrible if they did go under, and a bad thing for South West football.

[Matthew Le God]

So let me get this right, despite our club nearly going pop and all the pain that caused you are OK with it happening to another set of fans because you, without knowing all the facts, think Plymouth made one mistake. Then you fail to understand why people think its sad despite your brilliant post 11.

 

I reckon you want them to go out of business so you can get excited over the re-calibration of the table. Strange man.

 

Post #32

 

I don't want them to go to the wall at all. I have a soft spot for Plymouth having lived there for a large part of my life. If any team were my second team, it would be Argyle.

[Fan The Flames]

Post #32

 

So why are you challenging people who thinks it a shame.

[Gordon Mockles]

Wasn't aware of that. Terrible news. I truly hope sonething or someone comes in to save them. Very, very sad & a depressing sign of the times. Good luck! Green Armmmmm-meeee!!! :0(

[CB Fry]

This is what we've though before. This is what Pompey fans thought before. This is what Leeds fans have thought before. It's what fans of most clubs have thought before. It won't happen and they'll be absolutely fine.

 

Correct. They might go into admin, but they won't disappear.

 

- Leeds have a huge fanbase and potential.

- Pompey had £48m of parachute payments and even now could still go under.

 

Where as Plymouth have crowds of 8,000 in League One, huge debts, not paid players on time for 3 months and most likely trading whilst insolvent. There is a good chance they will skip administration and go straight to liquidation if no money comes from their Japanese investors.

 

Bet they don't. Just like Blackpool won't get relegated and the newspapers were 100% correct about Alan Pardew's precarious future as Southampton manager.

 

You're wrong so often I feel embarrassed for you.

[Minsk]

I blame all the defence cuts!

 

Last season it was DSC's who almost, and should have, went to the wall; this season it is Guzz. 2 football clubs who in years gone by would have a large amount of their punters made up by matelots away from home and wanting their live footy fix, or by those who had moved to the area from elsewhere.

 

To be fair, I knew a lot of 'northerners' who would go and get their fix at The Dell, when it was still possible to pay on the gate.

 

I spent a fair amount of my time in the navy based in Guzz (Plymouth to you civvies) and, yes, a lot of their fans are bellends; but I still wouldn't want to see the club liquidated.

 

The other lot, however.........................

[Golden Balls]

Having lived in Southampton when we were in trouble and now living in Plymouth, it seems like they are in a far worse position.

 

I really hope they don't go under, and at the very least last until the away game in March!!

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a rat's arse if Plymouth argyle fc continues to exist or not. If their extinction means we gain a few positions in the league and get promotion as a result, then I will more than happily take that. Not my problem how they run / ran their club.

[S-Clarke]

I hope they're ok and i'm pretty sure they will be.

 

Many clubs ''almost fold'' but they never do. Plymouth will be fine i'm sure.

[aintforever]

Every single club that goes into admin have a "this could be our last game" moment.

 

They wont be liquidated.

[SaintRichmond]

Despite the fact that SFC would benefit from it, there is only one club on the planet I would wish liquidation on, and it certainly aint Plymouth. It does however also begin with "P" and also hosts lots of funny men with a penchant for bell-bottomed trousers.

 

Hope something comes up for Plymouth.

 

 

You forgot the bit about them getting away with circa £150 Million debt, whilst the Football Authorities did SFA apart of course letting them hav £46 Million in Parachute payments for them to sift that away as well

 

And now Plymouth can go to the wall for, (by comparison) a mere pittance

 

The Football League should hang it's head in shame

 

No, wrong, The Football League should simply hang

[angelman]

I hope that they don't go out of business. Not good for football (inspite of helping our position).

 

But....it shows that the whole of football is basically bust, not that we didn't know that. Sure some of the boys in the PL are sitting pretty, but the rest of us (maybe not us now with our owners, but if they decided to move on.....) are hanging on by our finger nails. Actually that also applies to the big boys in the PL, if the rich owners at Chelsea/ManC etc hit a bit of trouble or get bored.

 

Sky needs to be told where to get off. Their money has helped the PL but no one else really. Oh how I wish for the old days of when I first went to the Dell (mid-70s/80s). Smaller teams (now a days) could compete although I realise Liverpool dominated.

[Mattio]

I worked at Argyle last season and the one before and had quite a lot of contact with the Directors, you could tell even then that they were in trouble, god knows why they went ahead with the stadium developments they're currently working on, they have a lot of nice fans (lots of old ones strangley) and it does remind me of Saints a bit, just a lot smaller fan base, their bid for WC18 was stupid, they'd never sell out a 40k stadium even in the premiership, the fans could see that then.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

If Plymouth go to the wall before Pompey it is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Pompey blew off over 100m of debt ffs.

[Turkish]

You forgot the bit about them getting away with circa £150 Million debt, whilst the Football Authorities did SFA apart of course letting them hav £46 Million in Parachute payments for them to sift that away as well

 

And now Plymouth can go to the wall for, (by comparison) a mere pittance

 

The Football League should hang it's head in shame

 

No, wrong, The Football League should simply hang

 

This. And they would happily have seen us go under rather than lose face and let our new owners appeal the 10 point penalty. Utterly shameful way to treat your members.

[Appy]

The aftermath of the failed 2018 bid can't really be helping them.

[toofarnorth]

The aftermath of the failed 2018 bid can't really be helping them.

 

It does seem odd in a way to pay out loads of cash to host matches at a tournament that there was never any guarantees we'd win the rights to anyway. Was all a big gamble.