St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 He is in the England squad because he is the best available right now. When you consider the next player on the stand by list is Carroll and his 2 goals it shows just how lacking we are for English strikers. . Shouldn't that then mean his price goes up? If there is little quality around you normally have to pay big bucks for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Even without Lambert, Shaw and Lallana we still have a better squad than a large number of teams in this league.when the club is taking mattresses with them to away games, then you know there are very fine lines between winning and losing. Take absolute top, top players out of the side and that leaves you with a team that is weaker and those 1-0 wins can start to become draws and those draws can easily become defeats. Just losing Shaw will have a huge effect on the balance of the side IMO, never mind the Lambert/Lallana combination that has worked so well. With Rodriguez with a lot to prove, that's another `edge' player that we might miss. Personally I thought Morgan would be the one player certain to leave, and he may still go. Take him out of the side and more often than not we struggle. These players have't left yet, so we are far from ****ed at this point in time, but don't kid yourself on the strength of the squad. We finished 8th not top. Replacing what Shaw gave us is an impossible task. The others? I don't know. Hopefully we won't need to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdelsur Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Go with our best wishes Ricky, you never let us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 indeed, that's what we paid for Mayuka. 21 year old Mayuka... Bristol Rovers have a sell on clause. So we haven't sold him for £3.5m. We may only get to keep £3.5m but that's business. We've still made a £2.5m profit on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Name three 32 year olds who have sold for more money than Lambert. that's a very good point/question, although the huge rise in fees over the last couple of years does change the playing field a little. Diego Milito went to Inter for £30m and he was 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Shouldn't that then mean his price goes up? If there is little quality around you normally have to pay big bucks for it. There is little English quality around. That is why he is in the England team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 There is little English quality around. That is why he is in the England team. Yes so again shouldn't that increase the price if you want one of the few quality English players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 that's a very good point/question, although the huge rise in fees over the last couple of years does change the playing field a little. Diego Milito went to Inter for £30m and he was 33. No, he was 29. About a month before turning 30 but definitely not 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 The only way this is remotely a good deal for us if Liverpool have promised not to bid again for Lallana and Lovren. Can't see it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Can't blame Rickie unless he promised to go on strike if we refused Liverpool's pitiful offer. All the blame lies with Reed and Krueger for accepting the sirt cheap bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 To suggest one player leaving turns Saints from 8th to relegation favourites is madness. Blimey we have lost our talismanic centre forward, our manager on whom all the players dote, two respected academy coaches and May is not even out. You keep sticking your head in the sand mate but excuse me for checking out my life jacket is still under my seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Yes so again shouldn't that increase the price if you want one of the few quality English players? I don't think most managers are as stupid as Kenny Dalglish these days. I'm struggling to think of teams who need English players to fill their home grown quota. Man City maybe but he will never get a game there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Blimey we have lost our talismanic centre forward, our manager on whom all the players dote, two respected academy coaches and May is not even out. You keep sticking your head in the sand mate but excuse me for checking out my life jacket is still under my seat. You missed out all our coaches and assistant manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Was an icon through our recent resurgence and typified everything that was good about the Club during that enjoyable time. Great bloke off the pitch as well. So no problem staying on that banner (particularly when others up there also left us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interesting question can any of the people in hysterics think of a comparable transfer for a player in his 30's where the transfer fee was bigger? 4m is an awful lot for a player in decline, yes it will cost us more than that to replace him but we needed to replace him in the next 12 months anyway, this way we get some money in to fund that replacement it's good use of an asset. Still a bloomin shame I hoped he would retire with a lap of honour round St Mary's but it wasn't to be his heart is elsewhere and his reward for all his time with us is just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Yes and yes, no doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Si Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Are you for real? The man has lead us from the bottom of League 1 to 8th in the Premiership in 5 years. A man who defied the odds season after season, and has gone from the bottom to the very top in football. From the beetroot factory to the World Cup in Brazil. He's epitomised everything about the spirit of Southampton over the past few years- a pure inspiration to all youngsters out there to never give up on your dream- no matter how mad it seems. He leaves St.Mary's a club legend, and he will never, ever be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Blimey we have lost our talismanic centre forward, our manager on whom all the players dote, two respected academy coaches and May is not even out. You keep sticking your head in the sand mate but excuse me for checking out my life jacket is still under my seat. we were warned that this would happen if NC left. anyone but NC, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interested in peoples opinions in the following two questions: Should Rickie make the move, will he remain a club icon/legend in the same capacity? Should Rickie make the move should he stay in the banner? Thoughts Yes and Yes.He is an Outstanding man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Just listening to talksport and 5live All the journos have said it will be £4m with add ons on liver pools success So it is in our best interest to let them have Lallana and lovren. Then we will get our money when Liverpool win the league. Also with lambert on board, they are more likely to get Lallana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Whereas I am gutted that Ricky is leaving I believe this move to Liverpool is a kind of loyalty bonus for all he has done for Saints. 2 years takes him to 34 years old and normally it wouldn't be easy for him to get another deal. All this Liverpool interest in our lads must come from being in the World Cup squad with Liverpool players. Maybe we'll end up with Torres or Ba as part of a Luke Shaw deal to Chelsea. 'A loyalty bonus' !!!!!! FFS complete nonsense.... Sentimental clap trap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 No, he was 29. About a month before turning 30 but definitely not 33. fair enough. The web is not to be trusted. Samuel Etoo to Chelsea maybe? You are right though that over 32 and big fees are rare as the players simply don't have a resale value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 NC thought he was bigger than the club. He was also incredibly stupid with his treatment towards the owner. If he was such a good CEO, why isn't he in employment (yet) elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Are you for real? The man has lead us from the bottom of League 1 to 8th in the Premiership in 5 years. A man who defied the odds season after season, and has gone from the bottom to the very top in football. From the beetroot factory to the World Cup in Brazil. He's epitomised everything about the spirit of Southampton over the past few years- a pure inspiration to all youngsters out there to never give up on your dream- no matter how mad it seems. He leaves St.Mary's a club legend, and he will never, ever be forgotten. Shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Second Coming Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Man, I am gutted but delighted. Gutted because he is/has been our talisman. He's made Lallana look good (well even better). But how can you deny him a move to his boyhood club. I have nothing but absolute love for the guy and wish him all the best. He's reminded me that there are some decent players out there. He's kept our young lads' feet on the ground too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 21 year old Mayuka... So we haven't sold him for £3.5m. We may only get to keep £3.5m but that's business. We've still made a £2.5m profit on him. Me and all of us know we made so much more out of him, than just the transfer fee profit! He must be in dreamland. I will miss him in the Saints set up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Blimey we have lost our talismanic centre forward, our manager on whom all the players dote, two respected academy coaches and May is not even out. You keep sticking your head in the sand mate but excuse me for checking out my life jacket is still under my seat. Its 3 academy coaches - Murty has gone as well :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 fair enough. The web is not to be trusted. Samuel Etoo to Chelsea maybe? You are right though that over 32 and big fees are rare as the players simply don't have a resale value Free transfer wasn't it? Anzhi were selling anything which wasn't nailed down. It's an interesting comparison though Eto'o - 33 years old - 14 goals - Released on a free Lambert - 32 years old - 16 goals - Worth £4m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interesting question can any of the people in hysterics think of a comparable transfer for a player in his 30's where the transfer fee was bigger? 4m is an awful lot for a player in decline, yes it will cost us more than that to replace him but we needed to replace him in the next 12 months anyway, this way we get some money in to fund that replacement it's good use of an asset. Still a bloomin shame I hoped he would retire with a lap of honour round St Mary's but it wasn't to be his heart is elsewhere and his reward for all his time with us is just that. In Premier League terms 4m is peanuts . We have heavily relied on RL this year.... We now need not only to replace him but also recruit a sensible backup too. If we had two other viable replacements in the books fine but WE DONT! There is no way you can dress this atrocious decision up as anything but stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach · 2h #LFC told #SaintsFC the deal for Lambert went through before World Cup or forget it. With Rickie wanting to go, club felt they had no choice. I understand but it has just made Ralph look even more of a wally as he said transfers would happen on the clubs terms. If Liverpool really want Rickie why the **** can they not wait until after the World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I was out with a few lads last night who support other clubs and the general surprise from the neutrals wasn't that we were selling, but that Liverpool were buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Interesting question can any of the people in hysterics think of a comparable transfer for a player in his 30's where the transfer fee was bigger? . zlatan ibrahimovic to PSG Thuram to Barcelona Batistuta to Roma Eto to Anzi Millito to Inter Makelle to Chelsea Massive list of them here http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Yep the general feeling from the masses of Liverpool fans is they are not happy about the signing. But I feel they need to look at the doors this will open and the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I was out with a few lads last night who support other clubs and the general surprise from the neutrals wasn't that we were selling, but that Liverpool were buying. This, I just can't see where he will fit for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Spurs will be in for JRod next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 In Premier League terms 4m is peanuts . We have heavily relied on RL this year.... We now need not only to replace him but also recruit a sensible backup too. If we had two other viable replacements in the books fine but WE DONT! There is no way you can dress this atrocious decision up as anything but stupid. If four million is such peanuts where is the list of 30+ year olds who have been transferred for in excess of 4 million? It is peanuts for young players but not for a fast depreciating asset like Rickie (no disrespect to him being a legend!) We needed a backup anyway so that doesn't come into it we also needed to replace him and we now have more money to do it and don't have an unhappy player moping about the place wishing he was at Liverpool. Lambert could quite happily have sat out the next three years of his contract doing nothing if he was ****ed off. It's not good or bad business until you see the end result but what it clearly is is business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 If four million is such peanuts where is the list of 30+ year olds who have been transferred for in excess of 4 million? . http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 If four million is such peanuts where is the list of 30+ year olds who have been transferred for in excess of 4 million? It is peanuts for young players but not for a fast depreciating asset like Rickie (no disrespect to him being a legend!) We needed a backup anyway so that doesn't come into it we also needed to replace him and we now have more money to do it and don't have an unhappy player moping about the place wishing he was at Liverpool. Lambert could quite happily have sat out the next three years of his contract doing nothing if he was ****ed off. It's not good or bad business until you see the end result but what it clearly is is business. there are loads that dwarf lamberts fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 there are loads that dwarf lamberts fee Name 5 players 32 or older who sold for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Name 5 players 32 or older who sold for more. Cannavaro Given Carvallho Sensini Laudrup Weah Lucarelli Lima Demichalles Forlan Mackaay etc etc Give it up mate you are having a mare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Name 5 players 32 or older who sold for more. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o32 Hmmm, there are a couple, but not many, to be fair I think I can find a grand total of 6? (That includes keepers who let's be honest don't count.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o32 Slightly harder if you ignore goalkeepers and even more of a challenge if you ignore the silly rich clubs (Paris SG, Chelsea etc) paying way over the odds for past it big name players. 4 million+ for a player of RL's ability, age and standing is decent money there are very very few players like him who fetch that sort of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I simply cant believe the fee is £4m. I suspect it will be closer to £7m Cant think of too many strikers that sold for more aged 32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 (edited) Slightly harder if you ignore goalkeepers and even more of a challenge if you ignore the silly rich clubs (Paris SG, Chelsea etc) paying way over the odds for past it big name players. 4 million+ for a player of RL's ability, age and standing is decent money there are very very few players like him who fetch that sort of money. Only one I mentioned was a keeper. But to counter it I will add a few more then Blanc, Henry (Colin) Lucio, Parker, Dodo, Anderson, Ze Roberto. Can add more if you like? Edited 30 May, 2014 by St Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Slightly harder if you ignore goalkeepers and even more of a challenge if you ignore the silly rich clubs (Paris SG, Chelsea etc) paying way over the odds for past it big name players. 4 million+ for a player of RL's ability, age and standing is decent money there are very very few players like him who fetch that sort of money. Just change the criteria to suit your argument... bottom line is, it will take 20M (possibly 2 players) to replace what Lambert provides to our squad.. so RK has taken the ultimate risk in selling the one player likely to cause the most disruption to next season. I have yet to see Saints play well when Lambert has been on the bench.. so the new manager will have little time to build a team to start the season with much optimism. Hope I'm proven wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 £4 million is a joke. Double figures for goals and assists, how much will it cost to get a player in who is capable of that sort of contribution. Lose Lallana and we will lack any sort of attacking threat except for J Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=o32 That shows RL as being worth £4.4m, which is more than Dirk Kuyt. Proves the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I would imagine the Lambert fee gets loaded to keep the Lallana fee, and therefore the Bournemouth sell-on figure, down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 That shows RL as being worth £4.4m, which is more than Dirk Kuyt. Proves the point. not to us, in this climate of premier league money IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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