Ewell Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 I'd have hoped the club would have told Liverpool that if they want VVD then they have to take Clasie first. He could come as the makeweight similarly to how the Lambert\Lallana deal panned out. For Liverpool Clasie would then be there to compete with Lucas as the shortest pile of crap in the clubs history so IMHO a good move all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Good decision to sell him, apart from the odd moment he has never added anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Strange to think of the excitement when he signed, new Schneiderlin etc. Wasn't there a poll where 70-80% voted him our signing of the summer over Van Dijk, Romeu and Cedric? I'd be interested to see how he got on if he chose to stay in England and sign for a bottom half team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Strange to think of the excitement when he signed, new Schneiderlin etc. Wasn't there a poll where 70-80% voted him our signing of the summer over Van Dijk, Romeu and Cedric? I'd be interested to see how he got on if he chose to stay in England and sign for a bottom half team. The classic everyone else is a ***t saintsweb post. Had hoped for more from him. Wish him all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 The classic everyone else is a ***t saintsweb post. That's not what I meant! I probably voted for Clasie myself, can't remember. Just interesting looking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 A great shame it's not worked out for him. But, we will always have that goal up at the Hawthorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Never seemed to quite get as stuck in as his write-ups suggested. And always seemed to need an inhaler around the 70 minute mark. Shame as there's a good player in there. Perhaps Koeman might be interested...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon3737 Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Never seemed to quite get as stuck in as his write-ups suggested. And always seemed to need an inhaler around the 70 minute mark. Shame as there's a good player in there. Perhaps Koeman might be interested...? Out of interest, can anyone explain to me why some players can't last 90 minutes these days? They all seem to be super-fit athletes with detailed exercise programmes, thoroughly researched diets for their home lives as well as at training etc. Does it just come down to genetics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Never seemed to quite get as stuck in as his write-ups suggested. And always seemed to need an inhaler around the 70 minute mark. Shame as there's a good player in there. Perhaps Koeman might be interested...? I think he's a player who needs a run of games to reach match sharpness and he has never had that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 That's not what I meant! I probably voted for Clasie myself, can't remember. Just interesting looking back. I misunderstood. Thought you were giving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Personally don't think he was given a long enough run in the team to prove himself. Toward the end of last season I would have played him instead of Davis too. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 From the first minute I saw him, I always thought he wasn't physically cut out for the premier league. In his first appearance for Saints (cant remember if it was a friendly or a Euro qualifier) he looked miles off the pace and too lightweight. He's a tidy footballer, would suit the Italian league. His replacement, Lemina, looks allot more physically suited to the premier league so no surprise. All the best to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 Certainly an inevitability about this move. I always wanted him to do well, but remember our Dutch friends wondering about his physical attributes in the Prem being an issue. I wasn't just his stature that was an issue, it was more his cardio levels. We never seemed to improve them over time either. I expect to see him do well in Spain or Italy, maybe even Turkey or Germany. Hopefully he gets a permanent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 21 August, 2017 Share Posted 21 August, 2017 (edited) After scoring that cracking long range goal last season he must have expected to be given more of a chance but I think he was dropped for the next game. Not sure if Lemina is really a like for like player but can't dispute that overall we do have surplus in midfield and Lemina improves the balance between defence and attack. With Davis, JWP and Højbjerg to compete with his chances of a place do look limited. Tend to agree that a move would be in Jordy's own best interests as well as creating a space in the squad. Edited 21 August, 2017 by Professor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/15501571.Claise_could_make_Saints_exit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Lots of rumours about Palace being interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Will be announce today. Not a good move IMHO. He's only true backup to Romeu we have. (and Romeu is already only 2 yellows from a ban). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Disappointing, good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 I thought he was ok last season, but its quite clear that to operate in that area of the pitch in this league you either need to be elite technically or physically strong. I don't think he is either so moving on is best I think. I would disagree he is backup for Romeu on that basis. I'd have thought he could do better than Brugge though, and a permanent move would have been better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Would've thought he could do better than Brugge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Will be announce today. Not a good move IMHO. He's only true backup to Romeu we have. (and Romeu is already only 2 yellows from a ban). Stephens maybe could replace Romeu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Would've thought he could do better than Brugge. Obviously not, shouldn't have bought him in the first place, far too small for modern day English football in a DM role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Obviously not, shouldn't have bought him in the first place, far too small for modern day English football in a DM role. Yep, you have to be a giant like Kante to play CM in the PL....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Stephens maybe could replace Romeu? That could be a great option to have. The way Jack can come forward with the ball and pass is very composed. He has just got better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Stephens maybe could replace Romeu? Possibly, might end up his best position as I can't see him being a CB as he refuses to head the ball. The problem is we don't have any non-PL games until January to experiment with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Possibly, might end up his best position as I can't see him being a CB as he refuses to head the ball. The problem is we don't have any non-PL games until January to experiment with this. Could be like Eric Dier. Could experiment in the Watford or Palace games. For example in the second half with a tactical/substitution change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 A shame, but hope he gets his mojo back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Good move. I'm not ready to give up on him completely but I he's not been a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 12:29 We referenced Southampton a moment ago, and what they need. Well, media in Belgium are reporting that midfielder Jordy Clasie is about to join Club Brugge on loan. More on that when we get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Don't think he has ever been given a fair chance, but good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Was hoping we'd get a fee back for him rather than loaning him out. Given he wasn't in the first team plans at least it means he's off the wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Obviously not, shouldn't have bought him in the first place, far too small for modern day English football in a DM role. He's taller than N'Golo Kanté Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltashSaint Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 He is a really good player who has been totally underused since he joined. In the few opportunities he has been given, he has always put in a decent shift. He has a powerful and accurate shot on him, and I feel he could have been a key player for us given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Off to Belgium on loan, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 EDIT: missed this thread: https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58719-Clasie-to-Club-Brugge-One-year-Loan#.Waaqv_mLSUk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 EDIT: missed this thread: https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58719-Clasie-to-Club-Brugge-One-year-Loan#.Waaqv_mLSUk We aren't so good at selling players we don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Edit: his lack of appearances wasn't down to have bonuses to [ay Feyenoord. All the bonuses have been paid already (3 million euros), it does make you wonder what targets were planned for those bonuses... it certainly does. Maybe the whole thing was base don him managing to keep the grade 2 in check throughout the entire contract period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 He's taller than N'Golo Kanté but about five times slower and a hundred times less effective. Poor signing and although it will sound harsh, I am bloody pleased we have finally seen that and attempted to upgrade. It's far better that than just keeping him here and waiting for his contract to run out before bringing someone new in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 but about five times slower and a hundred times less effective. Poor signing and although it will sound harsh, I am bloody pleased we have finally seen that and attempted to upgrade. It's far better that than just keeping him here and waiting for his contract to run out before bringing someone new in. I agree - nice to see the club clearing some of the fringe players. We have been stock piling average players and selling the best ones for too long. This summer (new owners) and hopefully a new ambition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 He is a really good player who has been totally underused since he joined. In the few opportunities he has been given, he has always put in a decent shift. He has a powerful and accurate shot on him, and I feel he could have been a key player for us given the chance. He is a really average player (relatively speaking) who was given plenty of chances since he joined. In all those opportunities, he didn't do enough for me. He was slow, didn't cover nearly enough ground or put pressure on opponents, get goal side enough even, he was lightweight, didn't win any headers, dominate the centre in any way or indeed do a great deal with the ball. He has the first touch to play at a decent level, no doubt about that, but the game went on around him far too much. He scored a couple of times, but I feel that he would never be a key player, so good news that we are parting ways. Hopefully whoever gets his squad place is better. No certainties of course. I do have a heart, but if we are simply evaluating the player on his performance, this is my assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Out of interest, can anyone explain to me why some players can't last 90 minutes these days? They all seem to be super-fit athletes with detailed exercise programmes, thoroughly researched diets for their home lives as well as at training etc. Does it just come down to genetics? I should think it's got more to do with the other 19 superfit outfielders hammering it around the place, with the opposing ones constantly leaning on you, pushing and pulling, necessitating millions of tiny muscle adjustments just to be able to stand up, and that going on constantly for 45 minutes at a time interspersed with rapid multiple sets of sprinting etc, rather than any lack of fitness. Any of the outfielders could run at pace for hours on end, it's all the other stuff that takes it out of you. Having said all that, not playing in that environment often enough also deadens your reactions and you soon look off the pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 but about five times slower and a hundred times less effective. Poor signing and although it will sound harsh, I am bloody pleased we have finally seen that and attempted to upgrade. It's far better that than just keeping him here and waiting for his contract to run out before bringing someone new in. This. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Does the 1-year loan mean we'll be stuck with him again at the end of that year or will that be the end of his contract? I can't see any club being prepared to pay a fee for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Does the 1-year loan mean we'll be stuck with him again at the end of that year or will that be the end of his contract? I can't see any club being prepared to pay a fee for him. He'll be stuck with us again if nobody comes in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Good move all round and frees up a place for incoming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Good move all round and frees up a place for incoming? Just as long as Clasie doesn't come back at the end of the year I'd also like to see us get rid of Long to free up a place for a goal scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 (edited) Good move all round and frees up a place for incoming? Why? Lemina was brought in. A loan isn't ideal: it's not as if the club is loaning him out to get experience or he's going to a league whose quality will make him better should he get another chance. The club seems to have made up its mind on him. As such, I'd prefer to get a fee rather than see him stuck in loan limbo till he walks on a free. Edited 30 August, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Why? Lemina was brought in. Because we have a 25 man squad limit. If we want to bring players in, and register them to play, we need to either move people on or have people being paid but who can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Why? Lemina was brought in. A loan isn't ideal: it's not as if the club is loaning him out to get experience or he's going to a league whose quality will make him better should he get another chance. The club seems to have made up its mind on him. As such, I'd prefer to get a fee rather than see him stuck in loan limbo till he walks on a free. And we'll still be paying a huge percentage of his wages during this loan period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2017 Share Posted 30 August, 2017 Because we have a 25 man squad limit. If we want to bring players in, and register them to play, we need to either move people on or have people being paid but who can't play. Ok for other positions but I assume Lemina was brought in because the club knew it was moving Clasie on. What is the squad limit at now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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