New Manager Thread

[nta786]

maintaining 6th will not happen next season. let alone better it.

 

I don't think it will either, but for managers to reject us according to FloridaMarlin because of that fear sounds pathetic to me, and if that really is the case, then we should definitely get someone who has the confidence in his abilities, someone who wants the challenge.

If AVB and FDB, for example, really do believe that then they need to wake up, it'll unlikely they get a big job at a top club for a while yet then.

Regarding FDB, it works both ways, it is risky for us hiring someone proven in one league which is basically a duopoly.

[CB Fry]

maintaining 6th will not happen next season. let alone better it.

Leicester climbed to the top of the moon.

[Batman]

Leicester climbed to the top of the moon.

 

forget Howe, where are you on the Paco Jemez thing?

[CB Fry]

forget Howe, where are you on the Paco Jemez thing?

Is he the relegated bloke who is definitely the next Pochettino?

 

That'll be a no then. If we want a relegated manager, at least Remi Garde knows the league. Get him in.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Not buying this at all. A lot of those managers saying they don't want the job haven't even been offered it. The conclusion is based on Journos and it shows.

 

The bit I don't buy at all is Eddie Howe having no " special affinity " with Boscombe . That is bull shine

[Saint Charlie]

The bit I don't buy at all is Eddie Howe having no " special affinity " with Boscombe . That is bull shine

Yeah I thought that just seems incorrect. Also if a Manager came in and didn't come 6th I don't think the fan reaction would be overly negative. Most didn't expect 6th this season and very few will next year.

[Suhari]

 

But they are reluctant to come for fear that anything less than sixth place will brand them as a failure, if not necessarily in the eyes of Saints realistic fans, then in the eyes of football at large.

I asked people about the alternative view that now that Chelsea, United and City have filled their managerial vacancies, Saints is the most attractive PL job, with the carrot of European football, a good squad and a well-run club with a good infrastructure.

 

Apparently that doesn't float the boat of those that Saints might want. The likes of Emery, de Boer and AVB don't need the job, which they view as too risky for their reputation.

 

Thanks for posting. Interesting stuff, and seems plausible.

 

Although these bits do seem to sit a little uneasily with me.......

 

......I'm trying to get to grips with how failing to get little old Saints to 6th, alongside a European campaign, when most of the teams around us will spend a lot more than us, and when we'll sell a couple of players, can be seen as failure? In the eyes of the wider football world that apparently views us as similar to WBA, Palace etc.

 

Is the football world now viewing us as a nailed on top six team?

[trousers]

Now here's the rub.

 

Koeman's success has made it tricky when it comes to finding a replacement.

 

It's a bit like asking a band to follow Coldplay at Glastonbury.

 

Managers have looked at next season's Premier League, and feel that with Chelsea, Man City, Man United and Liverpool all likely to be stronger they are not likely to improve - or more importantly - maintain Saints position.

 

Koeman's legacy to Saints might well be that they are victims of his success.

 

I replied to a poster along these lines last week when they said it should be easy for us to attract a high profile / high calibre manager. I suggested it could actually be more difficult due to the success bar being a lot higher than it was when Koeman joined. So, doesn't surprise me if our options are indeed being restricted in the manner you describe.

 

Thanks for sharing your insights FloridaMarlin; appreciated.

[trousers]

if a Manager came in and didn't come 6th I don't think the fan reaction would be overly negative

 

Aye, you'd never get anyone on here reacting negatively if we didn't progress....no sir-eee....

 

(Remind me, how long have you been a member of this forum....?)

 

 

(Edit: yes, I know the negative brigade on here aren't representative of the wider fan base, but...)

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

Yeah I thought that just seems incorrect. Also if a Manager came in and didn't come 6th I don't think the fan reaction would be overly negative. Most didn't expect 6th this season and very few will next year.

I agree. With the money going to be spent by so called bigger clubs and influx of high calibre managers it will be very difficult to finish 6th or higher. I would say good cup runs are a realistic aims.

 

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[SaintMB]

A top manager is full of confidence. I seriously doubt anyone in that position thinks they can't keep progressing the club.

They're all full of themselves and for good reason. It's a highly specialised profession.

[angelman]

Quite...and if they don't want to take it because of what came before them, then they are the wrong man for the job.

[Toadhall Saint]

Quite...and if they don't want to take it because of what came before them, then they are the wrong man for the job.

 

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[thefuriousb]

Yeah I thought that just seems incorrect. Also if a Manager came in and didn't come 6th I don't think the fan reaction would be overly negative. Most didn't expect 6th this season and very few will next year.

 

Precisely. A top half finish, may be get to the knock out stages of Europa league and taking the cups seriously (subject to draw obviously). We have been spoilt the last 3 seasons and have benefited from the bigger sides being inconsistent.

[themasoon]

Probably thought that when Pochettino left his team rock bottom of La Liga.

 

Luckily our board will look at his style and success over his whole career not just the last few months or so. (They had the smallest budget in the league by a long way and only just got relegated, staying up with a tiny budget for 3 seasons before that)

 

Exactly also if we got Paco it would definitely be the most exciting football we would have seen in a long time at St. Mary's although his defensive set up may be a concern. I would much rather Paco Jemez than Vitor Pereira, where Fenerbache's own fans think he's awful.

[CB Fry]

Exactly also if we got Paco it would definitely be the most exciting football we would have seen in a long time at St. Mary's although his defensive set up may be a concern. I would much rather Paco Jemez than Vitor Pereira, where Fenerbache's own fans think he's awful.

 

Those nine whole wins he got last season must have been brilliant. And they let in more goals than anyone else, but so entertainingly.

[Batman]

Those nine whole wins he got last season must have been brilliant. And they let in more goals than anyone else, but so entertainingly.

 

appointing him would scream champions league...that Les is so keen to tell everyone that we are after

[Turkish]

Those nine whole wins he got last season must have been brilliant. And they let in more goals than anyone else, but so entertainingly.

 

Can you imagine if there was an English manager, let's call him Paul James. Paul was manager of a small English club who had been in the premier league for a few seasons. Paul joined then when they were 8th. After three seasons of steady decline, they were eventually relegated after having only fortunately stayed up on the last day of the previous season. They had the worst defensive record in the division and were renowned for heavy defeats including a 10-2 away at Man United. Paul James is linked with the saints job. Would people are excited about it because despite his horrendous record of taking a club from 8th to 18th and getting hammered every other week along the way a few people seem to think he plays exciting football. Or would people think we'd be absolutely nuts to employ him and tell anyone that will listen it's a lack of ambition?

 

People seem to want this guy based on hoping he's the new Pochetino. ?

[Saint Charlie]

But his teams press so well and he lets the U14s eat in the same room as first team players.

[whelk]

TBF 2-1 up in that 10-2 defeat and then went down to 9 men

[themasoon]

Can you imagine if there was an English manager, let's call him Paul James. Paul was manager of a small English club who had been in the premier league for a few seasons. Paul joined then when they were 8th. After three seasons of steady decline, they were eventually relegated after having only fortunately stayed up on the last day of the previous season. They had the worst defensive record in the division and were renowned for heavy defeats including a 10-2 away at Man United. Paul James is linked with the saints job. Would people are excited about it because despite his horrendous record of taking a club from 8th to 18th and getting hammered every other week along the way a few people seem to think he plays exciting football. Or would people think we'd be absolutely nuts to employ him and tell anyone that will listen it's a lack of ambition?

 

People seem to want this guy based on hoping he's the new Pochetino.

 

You find me a team in the premier league that had a total budget of only £6 million and still compete at the top and even qualify for Europa league in one season with by far the worst squad in the league. In my opinion a team that eventually gets relegated when they're the worst team in the division is not a bad manager. We all lauded Martinez at Wigan and just imagine that but he didn't have equal Tv money and he got Wigan into the Europa qualifying stages through league position. I think we would be excited.

 

Also I understand the argument that forgein managers are more highly rated than domestic managers however I think it works both ways where if an English manager doesn't do as well they don't get nearly as much criticism as a forgein manager.

[Batman]

You find me a team in the premier league that had a total budget of only £6 million and still compete at the top and even qualify for Europa league in one season with by far the worst squad in the league. In my opinion a team that eventually gets relegated when they're the worst team in the division is not a bad manager. We all lauded Martinez at Wigan and just imagine that but he didn't have equal Tv money and he got Wigan into the Europa qualifying stages through league position. I think we would be excited.

 

Also I understand the argument that forgein managers are more highly rated than domestic managers however I think it works both ways where if an English manager doesn't do as well they don't get nearly as much criticism as a forgein manager.

 

Be alright if we were in burnleys situation.

 

Jesus

[MOSaint]

Don't know who the new manager will be, where he is from it when he will be appointed, but I do know he is a ****house and needs to go and Les must go for the appointment he has yet to make.

[CB Fry]

You find me a team in the premier league that had a total budget of only £6 million and still compete at the top and even qualify for Europa league in one season with by far the worst squad in the league. In my opinion a team that eventually gets relegated when they're the worst team in the division is not a bad manager. We all lauded Martinez at Wigan and just imagine that but he didn't have equal Tv money and he got Wigan into the Europa qualifying stages through league position. I think we would be excited.

 

Also I understand the argument that forgein managers are more highly rated than domestic managers however I think it works both ways where if an English manager doesn't do as well they don't get nearly as much criticism as a forgein manager.

Why do we suddenly need a specialist in managing teams with no money and terrible players?

 

Just appoint Kenny Jackett and be done with it. Sorry, Kennio Jackettiso from FC Volfsberg Vanderaat.

[saint1977]

Why do we suddenly need a specialist in managing teams with no money and terrible players?

 

Just appoint Kenny Jackett and be done with it. Sorry, Kennio Jackettiso from FC Volfsberg Vanderaat.

 

Glad it wasn't just me thinking that. Paco Jemez would be a hugely risky and unnecessary appointment and fans would be rightly skeptical. If he is so brilliant and had been punching miles above his weight in La Liga - why aren't the likes of Sevilla chasing him? Sounds like Ian Holloway when Blackpool had their season in the PL.

 

Pellegrini looks like the sensible option at present out of the names thought to be under consideration. Vitor Periera doesn't inspire me, nor Howe. Hope K Billy's two un-named targets the club have in mind are better than some of the dross appearing on this thread.

[Saint IQ]

Exactly also if we got Paco it would definitely be the most exciting football we would have seen in a long time at St. Mary's although his defensive set up may be a concern. I would much rather Paco Jemez than Vitor Pereira, where Fenerbache's own fans think he's awful.

 

Agree, I'm not going to say he's definitely going to be a huge success if he was appointed. Not going to assume he's gonna be utter s**t and be a foreign Ian Holloway either.

 

Fact is he improved players that weren't worth much at all and made an exciting competitive team with his coaching and managing, potentially very interesting to see what he could do with much better players.

[Turkish]

You find me a team in the premier league that had a total budget of only £6 million and still compete at the top and even qualify for Europa league in one season with by far the worst squad in the league. In my opinion a team that eventually gets relegated when they're the worst team in the division is not a bad manager. We all lauded Martinez at Wigan and just imagine that but he didn't have equal Tv money and he got Wigan into the Europa qualifying stages through league position. I think we would be excited.

 

Also I understand the argument that forgein managers are more highly rated than domestic managers however I think it works both ways where if an English manager doesn't do as well they don't get nearly as much criticism as a forgein manager.

 

I'd rather we hired a manager with a record of managing decent sized clubs, international players, having a reasonable budget and being relatively successful thank all the same pal.

[LeBenali]

This Paco Jemez screams of a Pepe Mel type of appointment....I wonder if Rafa has any release clauses that would let him talk to a top 6 club?

 

 

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[cellone]

This Paco Jemez screams of a Pepe Mel type of appointment....I wonder if Rafa has any release clauses that would let him talk to a top 6 club?

 

 

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Like your thinking.

 

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[notnowcato]

So we need a manager with bigger balls than those mentioned in Florida Marlins war and peace post. Shouldn't be too difficult. Ffs back in the real world....

[Saint IQ]

This Paco Jemez screams of a Pepe Mel type of appointment....I wonder if Rafa has any release clauses that would let him talk to a top 6 club?

 

 

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Why does everyone make such sweeping assumptions have you read into and compared them

[CB Fry]

Why does everyone make such sweeping assumptions have you read into and compared them

 

Edit: I'm blaming Wikipedia.

Edited 13 June, 2016 by CB Fry

[Saint IQ]

I agree it would be a risky appointment anyway here's an article on him

 

http://statsbomb.com/2016/02/the-fascinating-nature-of-paco-jemez/

 

Also the concept he uses known as Juego de Posicion

 

http://spielverlagerung.com/2014/11/26/juego-de-posicion-a-short-explanation/

 

Interestingly Roger Schmidt (Leverkusen) who has been suggested, is mentioned at the end of this also, along with Pep

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

I think Leverkusens Roger Schmidt, is worth consideration.

[egg]

I'd rather we hired a manager with a record of managing decent sized clubs, international players, having a reasonable budget and being relatively successful thank all the same pal.

 

 

That's kind of like saying that you would have preferred a David moyes type over Poch when we hired him. Personally I'd take Jemez.

[Pancake]

Wonder if we are waiting to see if there are any managerial casualties from the group stages of Euro 2016.

[Whitey Grandad]

Wonder if we are waiting to see if there are any managerial casualties from the group stages of Euro 2016.

 

I would assume that nothing can be announced until Ronald the Rat has signed for that other lot.

[brett24]

As a summary does anyone have a clue who our next manager will be ?

[scotty]

As a summary does anyone have a clue who our next manager will be ?

 

Yes. It will definitely be somebody.

[BARCELONASAINT]

It will definately be somebody who's body will be in Southampton but his head almost certainly somewhere else!

[GarrettIvo]

I'd rather we hired a manager with a record of managing decent sized clubs, international players, having a reasonable budget and being relatively successful thank all the same pal.

 

This times about 1000%.

[GarrettIvo]

I would assume that nothing can be announced until Ronald the Rat has signed for that other lot.

 

Hurdle cleared.

[Turkish]

That's kind of like saying that you would have preferred a David moyes type over Poch when we hired him. Personally I'd take Jemez.

 

Well I think most people would have. If we'd have got David Moyes in when he was still at Everton it'd have been lauded as a great coup. As it is his time at Man United has unfairly made him a bit of a laughing stock in many peoples eyes. Despite the snobbery about him on here he's still a good manager with a proven track record in the Premier league, worked well on a budget and brought through youth as well as signed good young british players. In many ways a good fit for us for the clubs stated aim of a stable, self sustaining top 10 club.

 

As for Jemez, the sole reason people want him seems to be the belief that he is the new Pochetino. If he was an English guy then the same snobbery applied to Moyes would apply to him. Personally I think it would be a huge risk, we're able to pay good money to a manager, we've got a good squad, European football and are an established top 10 club. I don't think it's a risk worth taking. Before anyone books marks this post to use against me in three years time, I'm not saying it wont work out, I simply think in our current position we could attract someone with a bit more calibre rather than gambling, which is what Jemez would be.

[DT]

Would be great if we announced a new manager today to peee on their bonfire

 

 

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[trousers]

Oliver Kay ‏@OliverKayTimes

Impressive work, #EFC. Set sights on him and got him. Southampton? They can't afford to keep losing best players/mgr

[Saint_Ash]

It would be nice to have a manager who has experience with European football at a similar size club as us. It would be great to go on a proper European adventure.

 

Now that Koeman has gone hopefully we'll get cracking with the manager negotiations.

[Chalkboy]

Oliver Kay ‏@OliverKayTimes

Impressive work, #EFC. Set sights on him and got him. Southampton? They can't afford to keep losing best players/mgr

 

Making him one of the highest paid managers. So impressive.

[buctootim]

The ideal would be a younger manager with a solid track record who wants to move to a PL club - but the records of the names being bandied about aren't impressive. If we cant get a top notch up and coming then we should go for proven ability like Pellegrini or Moyes.

[Chris27687]

Would be great if our new manager was announced this week.

[GarrettIvo]

Well I think most people would have. If we'd have got David Moyes in when he was still at Everton it'd have been lauded as a great coup. As it is his time at Man United has unfairly made him a bit of a laughing stock in many peoples eyes. Despite the snobbery about him on here he's still a good manager with a proven track record in the Premier league, worked well on a budget and brought through youth as well as signed good young british players. In many ways a good fit for us for the clubs stated aim of a stable, self sustaining top 10 club.

 

As for Jemez, the sole reason people want him seems to be the belief that he is the new Pochetino. If he was an English guy then the same snobbery applied to Moyes would apply to him. Personally I think it would be a huge risk, we're able to pay good money to a manager, we've got a good squad, European football and are an established top 10 club. I don't think it's a risk worth taking. Before anyone books marks this post to use against me in three years time, I'm not saying it wont work out, I simply think in our current position we could attract someone with a bit more calibre rather than gambling, which is what Jemez would be.

 

I would have been very happy with Moyes two years ago. But less so now, partly because of the Everton link. Not suggesting he couldn't do a decent job.