whelk Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 What a coward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 58 minutes ago, whelk said: Safe to say won’t be Oliver Dowden as the media guy. Although resigning now shows no sort of backbone more political survival The letter was clear. He's had enough, and that he recognises that the party are on the slide. Resigning immediately has more impact than delaying it imo. Hopefully others follow. It shows the idiocy of having the confidence vote when they did though, should have waited until after this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 6 minutes ago, egg said: The letter was clear. He's had enough, and that he recognises that the party are on the slide. Resigning immediately has more impact than delaying it imo. Hopefully others follow. It shows the idiocy of having the confidence vote when they did though, should have waited until after this. Dowden is a weasel who apparently is quite the bully to cultural institutions but agree mad how they are so disorganised with timing. If vote of confidence was today he would be out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 Wakefield was no surprise because everyone expected the Northern red wall to revert once Johnson had 'got Brexit done'. But losing a safe SW seat in a 30% swing to the LDs is catastrophic whichever way you look at it. I can't wait to see how they are going to spin this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 Sounds like good riddance then. Even if the party and a number of ministers turn on Boris, I reckon he'll cling on. No obvious mechanism now for getting rid of the idiot now. The real coward here is Boris hiding in Rwanda during the aftermath. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 (edited) The Tories are screwed. SW turning yellow again (delighted as a Lib Dem voter), Red Wall rebuilt brick by brick and their traditional SE seats alienated by a catastrophic hard Brexit costing thousands of jobs and harming living standards. East Anglia will vote for them regardless but tricky for them to win anywhere else. If Tiverton and N Shropshire, with huge Tory majorities can go, any other rural seats could. Delighted to see the return of tactical voting as well after a long absence. They are a corrupt populist rabble, worst in living memory and the sort of government we’d malign if it was in the global south as the inevitable product of an unstable and poor country. Disgrace for the western world. Large numbers on food banks, people earning north of £30k needing two jobs to heat and eat. Some of it is Ukraine and pandemic but a lot is also self inflicted by cheap and nasty nationalism. Even if the 1922 is in action again in 12 months to oust him, damage is done. Edited 24 June, 2022 by saint1977 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 While BJ hid in Rwanda, his candidate in Tiverton and Honiton couldn't find a fridge to hide in so she had to improvise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 1 hour ago, egg said: Sounds like good riddance then. Even if the party and a number of ministers turn on Boris, I reckon he'll cling on. No obvious mechanism now for getting rid of the idiot now. The real coward here is Boris hiding in Rwanda during the aftermath. TBF he is at Commonwealth summit that he should be at. As Alistair Campbell said he won’t be giving any sort of shit about what is on the agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 British public to Boris Johnson. Fuck off! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 11 minutes ago, Winnersaint said: British public to Boris Johnson. Fuck off! Boris Johnson to British public - "Shan't !" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 There are 300 Tory MPs with smaller margins than the 24,000 majority they had in Tiverton and Honiton. I wonder how many of them are regretting the way they voted in t he confidence vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 Raab on R4 earlier claiming the by-election results were due to voters being "distracted". Yeah Dom. Sure. Can see it now in the polling booth... "OK so where do I place my cro.... OOOH LOOK! A SQUIRREL! Oh damn, I voted for the wrong candidate. Oh well, it's done now". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 Interesting way this is being spun by the tories. The electorate in the two constituencies were distracted. Distracted from what and distracted by what? Distracted from the right wing press, the no.10 spin machine, the relentless sloganeering? Distracted by the economic mismanagement, the lack of leadership, the immigration fascism? What have I missed? And the whole distraction narrative speaks volumes for the patronising and dismissive way the electorate is viewed by those in the cabinet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, egg said: Sounds like good riddance then. Even if the party and a number of ministers turn on Boris, I reckon he'll cling on. No obvious mechanism now for getting rid of the idiot now. The real coward here is Boris hiding in Rwanda during the aftermath. The Tory candidate in Tiverton locked herself in a room and refused to come out and face the press. This has already been posted. How do you delete posts? Edited 24 June, 2022 by ecuk268 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 5 minutes ago, ecuk268 said: The Tory candidate in Tiverton locked herself in a room and refused to come out and face the press. This has already been posted. How do you delete posts? Don't worry, some things are worth repeating. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 June, 2022 Share Posted 24 June, 2022 How did no one stop that Lib Dem show Boris the door stunt by flagging how cringeworthy it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 26 June, 2022 Share Posted 26 June, 2022 Perhaps Johnson could appoint the grand old nonce of York as his new ethics advisor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 June, 2022 Share Posted 26 June, 2022 7 minutes ago, Winnersaint said: Perhaps Johnson could appoint the grand old nonce of York as his new ethics advisor. Too many in Government think Ethics is a county north of the Thames estuary. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 Bloody militant Corbynites https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61946038 "Barristers will walk out of courts across England and Wales on Monday in a dispute over legal aid funding". Will that get smarmy headlines on the front page of the Fail and Express ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 Lazy woke leftie snowflake pinko lawyers promoting the so-called law and wanting to be paid - if they had their way all foreign-looking criminals would be pardoned and given the houses of our evicted war heroes! 😡 I think we've heard enough from these experts, the militant traitors need putting in their place, we have a perfectly good system where Braverman is clearly in control and hasn't been overpromoted as a yes-woman, she advises the government really accurately, and definitely shouldn't be restricted to assisting a proper solicitor by passing them the office stapler when they ask her. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 Another cheap government slogan getting debunked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61946037 The current culture war on universities doesn’t help the government’s cause in these goals either, although I’m sure the beetroot faced old coot in Wetherspoons laps it up reading his Sun/Mail/Express with his second pint of Ruddles County at 11am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 If ‘levelling up’ was a Labour tag line then it would be seen as communist ideology at odds with market forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 14 minutes ago, whelk said: If ‘levelling up’ was a Labour tag line then it would be seen as communist ideology at odds with market forces. Its a moronic soundbite, equivalent to the 'Big Society' or 'Silent Bat People'. The only place you level-up is in a computer game. Ken the Tesco shelf-stacker gets qualified, or gets an increase in his hourly pay, or has a better work/life balance. He doesn't get more XP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 Daily Mail: "Waaaaaaa it's not fair. They're ganging up on the Tories!" Also the Daily Mail: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: Daily Mail: "Waaaaaaa it's not fair. They're ganging up on the Tories!" Also the Daily Mail: I genuinely don't understand the logic behind being opposed to tactical voting. We have FPTP, it's literally the right thing to do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: I genuinely don't understand the logic behind being opposed to tactical voting. We have FPTP, it's literally the right thing to do. Daily Mail: Labour's 'grubby backroom pact' with the Liberal Democrats could lead to a 'coalition of chaos' with Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister, Tories warn Totally different to the fantastic squeaky clean coalition of charisma that Cameron's Conservatives had with the Liberal Democrats ofc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 9 minutes ago, buctootim said: Daily Mail: Labour's 'grubby backroom pact' with the Liberal Democrats could lead to a 'coalition of chaos' with Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister, Tories warn Totally different to the fantastic squeaky clean coalition of charisma that Cameron's Conservatives had with the Liberal Democrats ofc. Or the Tories' pact with Farage's UKIP, who only stood in places where the Tories were unlikely to win... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: Daily Mail: "Waaaaaaa it's not fair. They're ganging up on the Tories!" Also the Daily Mail: Labour and the Lib Dems stood against each other in both seats anyway so not sure what they are crying about? Edited 27 June, 2022 by aintforever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 7 minutes ago, aintforever said: Labour and the Lib Dems stood against each other in both seats anyway so not sure what they are crying about? I don’t think you understand how the media works. They can’t rely on substance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 June, 2022 Share Posted 27 June, 2022 More Commies undermining the country..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61957154 "Doctors are calling for significant pay rises to make up for what they say amounts to a 30% pay cut since 2008. Medics at the British Medical Association (BMA) annual conference said salaries had not kept up with inflation for more than a decade. And they warned industrial action could be on the cards if the government does not act." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 28 June, 2022 Share Posted 28 June, 2022 Why the fuck do the greedy, woke, NHS, leftie, vaccine-delivering traitors want decent wages? The whole cabinet clapped them on the doorstep once a week for a bit, wasn't that enough? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 28 June, 2022 Share Posted 28 June, 2022 You can try the American free market approach to Healthcare which has clearly held the price down through competition. Oh sorry it is governed by the other market force no one likes to mention when advancing the cause of capitalism every where, known as what the market will bear. Ie you charge as much as you can and will still get payed. Normally comes into play when you have a limited amount of resource such as oil, seats on trains at a certain time of day, or trained professionals, that also control how many others will be allowed in to become qualified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 29 June, 2022 Share Posted 29 June, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Mystic Force said: You can try the American free market approach to Healthcare which has clearly held the price down through competition. Oh sorry it is governed by the other market force no one likes to mention when advancing the cause of capitalism every where, known as what the market will bear. Ie you charge as much as you can and will still get payed. Normally comes into play when you have a limited amount of resource such as oil, seats on trains at a certain time of day, or trained professionals, that also control how many others will be allowed in to become qualified. It's also knowledge and power over vulnerable and often desperate people. If a doctor tells a patient with a life threatening illness they should have another expensive scan and blood test and follow up appointment they will do it, even if they have to sell their house and spend their kids college fees. Its the same with advertising drugs on tv, creating demand and profit through fear I had a taste of profit driven healthcare in the UK when a vet tried to emotionally blackmail me into paying £1,500 for investigations on my 18 year old cat with intestinal cancer. Even though it clearly wasnt the best thing for the cat or me, it was the best thing for him. Edited 29 June, 2022 by buctootim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 After lawyers and doctors, the next Trotskyites to threaten industrial action are the Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: After lawyers and doctors, the next Trotskyites to threaten industrial action are the Police. The thing that all these groups have in common is that they continued to get paid throughout the lockdowns. Now they want to bite the hands that feed them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: The thing that all these groups have in common is that they continued to get paid throughout the lockdowns. Now they want to bite the hands that feed them. What most doctors (imo) really want is less constant pressure and rushed, ill thought through treatment.. That means either more NHS staff or some kind of prioritisation so they arent being forced to offer everything to everybody against a backdrop of ever increasing demand. It's not about salary its about quality of life. Clinicians can't control workload so they demand more cash for putting up with often unbearable conditions. The more salary they get enables them to work part time, which just increases the pressure elsewhere. What we really need is to get better at accepting that there is no point giving 85 year old patients a third bout of intensive cancer treatment, for example. Edited 30 June, 2022 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 54 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: The thing that all these groups have in common is that they continued to get paid throughout the lockdowns. Now they want to bite the hands that feed them. Or barely feeds them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: The thing that all these groups have in common is that they continued to get paid throughout the lockdowns. Now they want to bite the hands that feed them. And continued to work so sort of justified. And paid taxes to subsidise all those pointless jobs that took furlough money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Or barely feeds them. Don't be so melodramatic. Who feeds those poor businesses that have folded because of forced closures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: And continued to work so sort of justified. And paid taxes to subsidise all those pointless jobs that took furlough money That furlough money paid taxes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 Got to be fair to Johnson, it’s hard to fault him on his Ukraine rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: Got to be fair to Johnson, it’s hard to fault him on his Ukraine rhetoric Indeed, as he tried to suggest in the commons, the opposition would have supported Russia... About the same time that he said he was the first one to support Ukraine, when he wasn't. Do we really believe that the UK could only support this cause with him at the helm? I think any British PM would have done this, and probably more. Boris the plucky war leader is just another cartoon PR soundbite - filed along with big decisions right, leading the world, bonfire of red tape, arms around business, rolled-out the vaccine, unprecedented, global Britain etc, yawn, etc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, rallyboy said: Indeed, as he tried to suggest in the commons, the opposition would have supported Russia... About the same time that he said he was the first one to support Ukraine, when he wasn't. Do we really believe that the UK could only support this cause with him at the helm? I think any British PM would have done this, and probably more. Boris the plucky war leader is just another cartoon PR soundbite - filed along with big decisions right, leading the world, bonfire of red tape, arms around business, rolled-out the vaccine, unprecedented, global Britain etc, yawn, etc. I am not talking about that bs more his words that are what I want to hear. Not this off ramp bollocks but yes forgot about the Labour slur and by no means do I still not I think he is a complete untrustworthy cunt not fit for office. Edited 30 June, 2022 by whelk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 I think the handling of the Ukraine war has been Boris's finest hour so to speak, assuming you agree with helping Ukraine that is. He is an extremely popular figure in Ukraine and to them perhaps symbolizes the west's solidarity for Ukraine. Sadly his domestic shit-shows means he is on borrowed time, there's been too many fuck ups, obfuscations, economies of truth etc. Ministers used to resign at the mere whiff of scandal, there used to be a sort of unwritten code of acceptable behaviour, dear me, what ever happened to Eton. Thinking back to the Thatcher years, regardless of your politics, her cabinet were talented honourable people with a certain gravitas, perhaps it's just the times we live in but very few of our politicians seem to possess any redeeming characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 As long as his deputy chief whip doesn't join the government's ever growing sexual predator team and has to resign, Boris will be fine. Even when the other parties try to do scandal they just can't compete. Chuck in the PM's fancy bit and their antics in his office and it's like 1970s Soho - Confessions of an Eton Twat. We can't carry on like this, it's ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 Did anybody else find Raab's wink at Angela Raynor at PMQs yesterday cringeworthy ? What a slimeball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 Tory MP Chris Pincher resigns as a Whip because he "embarrassed" himself by getting drunk in the Carlton Club. No mention of the allegation that whilst pissed up he sexually assaulted 2 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Tory MP Chris Pincher resigns as a Whip because he "embarrassed" himself by getting drunk in the Carlton Club. No mention of the allegation that whilst pissed up he sexually assaulted 2 men. Badger, I heard the assault against two men on the BBC news just now as part of their coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 21 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Badger, I heard the assault against two men on the BBC news just now as part of their coverage Yes, but he hasn't apologised for, or even mentioned, the assaults, he only says that he has 'embarrassed myself". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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