benjii Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Can anyone think of any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 (edited) Just now, benjii said: Can anyone think of any? Errrr... the new padded seats will give us that extra 1%? Edited 23 May, 2021 by ErwinK1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 To early to say 😴 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 There’re other sh*t clubs in this league and a lot can depend on recruitment. Look at how West Ham bounced back from last season’s relegation fight, you never know. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 3 minutes ago, benjii said: Can anyone think of any? Take over, new funds and better players ...ok i'm praying for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Because there are atleast three teams that are worse? We are better than Palace, Burnley, Brighton, and pretty level with Newcastle. Norwich are no better than last time they entered the league and finished 20th, still have little money to reinvest, and have lost some good players already. Both Brentford and Swansea are very average sides with again very little money. And watford again are worse than last time they were in the league and don't have much money. That is 7 teams who we are better than, we have had a poor end to the season but we are definitely not favourites for relegation at all. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Big Sam is available if we need him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 May, 2021 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TWar said: Because there are atleast three teams that are worse? We are better than Palace, Burnley, Brighton, and pretty level with Newcastle. Norwich are no better than last time they entered the league and finished 20th, still have little money to reinvest, and have lost some good players already. Both Brentford and Swansea are very average sides with again very little money. And watford again are worse than last time they were in the league and don't have much money. That is 7 teams who we are better than, we have had a poor end to the season but we are definitely not favourites for relegation at all. "Poor end". We've lost 15 of the last 21 league matches. That's one of the worst runs in PL history. We had a few dodgy decisions (Villa at home) but, still, we seem incapable of grinding out results. The good run we had at the start involved largely outperforming our XG. In other words, there is evidence that this run is our level and the early run was a purple patch. We scored lots of goals from set pieces and from outside the box. You can't rely on that. And for Villa at home there is Brighton away, where a ridiculous decision earned us 2 points. Could happen again, but I doubt it. We have stayed up because we've beaten the other bad teams enough this season but if the promoted three are better next season it will be very tough. It'll be a surprise if Ings is here next season. Maybe not Vest either. Bertrand is gone. So three signings, potentially, just to stand still. What happens if someone comes in for JWP? Reckon we'll fend them off? Plus still hamstrung in the goalkeeping department and an owner with zero drive, interest or motivation other than getting some cash back. I think we're a good bet for the drop. Edited 23 May, 2021 by benjii 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 13 minutes ago, benjii said: Can anyone think of any? Because the Saintsweb intelligentsia will predict it for the 9th season running...? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southbourne saint Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 The club has just had a 5 month warning that action needs to be taken at a drastic level. If they don't heed that warning then quite frankly we deserve to go down. An interesting summer ahead me thinks. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 The only positive slant I can make is that I'm fairly sure there would have been a similar thread on WHU's forums last season. They came from nowhere to qualify for Europe, but it was aided by adding some experience in Soucek, Coufal and Dawson. Not flashy signings by any means, but experience and character which injected life into their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Its amazing with this shite run we are 15 points clear of relegation...hopefully 3 more teams more shite than us next season will save us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: There’re other sh*t clubs in this league and a lot can depend on recruitment. Look at how West Ham bounced back from last season’s relegation fight, you never know. Moyes is about 10X a better manager than Ralph. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 10 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Moyes is about 10X a better manager than Ralph. Right, well when Ralph gets the chance to manage Antonio, Coufal, Soucek, Rice, Yarmolenko, Fornals, Bowen, Lanzini, Benramha and Lingard I’ll be inclined to agree with you. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 (edited) Edited 23 May, 2021 by FarehamSaintJames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Østerrike Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Just now, Lighthouse said: Right, well when Ralph gets the chance to manage Antonio, Coufal, Soucek, Rice, Yarmolenko, Fornals, Bowen, Lanzini, Benramha and Lingard I’ll be inclined to agree with you. That's exactly the point. By taking a realistic view - and even though Ralph surely has done many mistakes lately - we do have a lack of quality compared with many other teams... that's just the way it is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 17 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Moyes is about 10X a better manager than Ralph. Would have been our manager in 2001 but for Rupert not allowing him to bring his backroom team with him. Stuart Grey instead. SFC - a longstanding ability to create a clusterfuck all of it's own. Some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 The three promoted teams? I think it will be a tough one next year, we need a good start as I am not sure we have the character to pull ourselves out of the bottom three if we start badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: You don't know that though, you're just guessing with no real facts to back up those points. Of course I don't know that. The blokes at West ham. But if you're suggesting he'd lose 15 out of 21 and get mashed 9-0 twice in the space of a year then ok. Fill your boots. Because no way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Perhaps Ralph will be gone by then, Redmond will get a bar job, and we get a new owner that hires a manager that can build a more resilient playing style that focuses on a strong spine, decent keeper, fitness, and the ability to score goals as a bonus. That and the three teams coming up not having the squad depth etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 29 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Moyes is about 10X a better manager than Ralph. Bet you said exactly the opposite last season 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Adkins wasn’t a bad manager for us but do you remember how quickly we instantly improved when pochetino took over..we transformed instantly into a hard working horrible to play against teams and the tactics worked a treat. judt wanted to put that out there for those saying it’s the players and no one could get a tune out of them better then Ralph.. gotta ask the questions does Ralph make tactical changes that benefit us very often in game ? does he learn from bad runs of form and do differant things to try get a differant result ? is his player selection and use of subs good? all the talk about him being some thinking manager that analyses the shit out of everything and has tactics and his finger on the pulse of everything I’m really not seeing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chapel End said: Bet you said exactly the opposite last season Why would I have said the opposite last season? Moyes is a better manager than your mate Ralph full stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 (edited) More of the same next season please. It’s it just a privilege to be in this league to play against all these great sides. Being in this league is all that matters. Another successful season of surviving, enjoying the premier league money, playing against these great sides. Can’t wait for August! Edited 23 May, 2021 by Turkish 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 11 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Why would I have said the opposite last season? Moyes is a better manager than your mate Ralph full stop. Because West ham survived by a smaller margin than we did this season and you would have called him some choice names. Ralf is not my mate but he's not a c### either 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorchester Saint Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, benjii said: "Poor end". We've lost 15 of the last 21 league matches. That's one of the worst runs in PL history. We had a few dodgy decisions (Villa at home) but, still, we seem incapable of grinding out results. The good run we had at the start involved largely outperforming our XG. In other words, there is evidence that this run is our level and the early run was a purple patch. We scored lots of goals from set pieces and from outside the box. You can't rely on that. And for Villa at home there is Brighton away, where a ridiculous decision earned us 2 points. Could happen again, but I doubt it. We have stayed up because we've beaten the other bad teams enough this season but if the promoted three are better next season it will be very tough. It'll be a surprise if Ings is here next season. Maybe not Vest either. Bertrand is gone. So three signings, potentially, just to stand still. What happens if someone comes in for JWP? Reckon we'll fend them off? Plus still hamstrung in the goalkeeping department and an owner with zero drive, interest or motivation other than getting some cash back. I think we're a good bet for the drop. So you start a thread asking for reasons why we won’t be relegated next season....then go on a hissy fit when someone gives a sensible, level headed abs positive response. LOL 🤣🤣 Edited 23 May, 2021 by Dorchester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Mohammed Elynoussi and Mario Lemina back in the side with a point to prove could be just what we need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Redmond making a difference 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: Redmond making a difference I wonder what he's daydreaming about at that moment? Probably suddenly remembered he hasn't got any milk in the fridge and needs to pick some up on the way home at Fleet services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 Covid 4th wave abandons the season and we live to fight another year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: Redmond making a difference He had the nerve to wag his finger at the linesman after that as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 14 minutes ago, Turkish said: Redmond making a difference For a so called professional Premier League player that is appalling. My nine-year old plays in the Eastleigh mini league, if his manager saw him standing there with his hands on his hips like that, he would be hooked straight away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Østerrike Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 42 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Why would I have said the opposite last season? Moyes is a better manager than your mate Ralph full stop. you are simply embarrassing.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 May, 2021 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2021 23 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said: So you start a thread asking for reasons why we won’t be relegated next season....then go on a hissy fit when someone gives a sensible, level headed abs positive response. LOL 🤣🤣 "Hissy fit"? I posed a question. He responded. I gave a response. No one was unpleasant or dramatic. Sorry if this is a bit much for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 35 minutes ago, Turkish said: More of the same next season please. It’s it just a privilege to be in this league to play against all these great sides. Being in this league is all that matters. Another successful season of surviving, enjoying the premier league money, playing against these great sides. Can’t wait for August! Fingers crossed all three relegated sides come straight back up for the 22-23 season because that means we get some parachute money back. So much to look forward to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 38 minutes ago, Turkish said: More of the same next season please. It’s it just a privilege to be in this league to play against all these great sides. Being in this league is all that matters. Another successful season of surviving, enjoying the premier league money, playing against these great sides. Can’t wait for August! We need to get ourselves OUT of the cups ASAP next season to give us the best chance of survival as well 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 15 minutes ago, JRM said: I wonder what he's daydreaming about at that moment? Probably suddenly remembered he hasn't got any milk in the fridge and needs to pick some up on the way home at Fleet services. Probably wondering which TV channel he’s going to be on when he retires as he’s virtually guaranteed to get a pundit gig on one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: Redmond making a difference To be fair you've got to give him some credit he *is* watching the ball 🤣 I recall another incident in the Leeds away game, approx 25 mins gone if anyone has a recording, and still 0-0 and we had a turnover attack. He was approx where the WHU 5 is in pic above with the whole pitch forward left of him empty and a diagonal ball from our right wing went over his head. He made a token jog to "chase" it (effectively just gave it up as a throw in) only to finally break out into a too late 5 yard fast jog as a Leeds midfielder sprinted back from half way line and got the ball before it reached the touch line. That and todays offside summed up his season. Lazy easy option every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 May, 2021 Share Posted 23 May, 2021 6 minutes ago, JRM said: We need to get ourselves OUT of the cups ASAP next season to give us the best chance of survival as well Exactly. No need for pointless cup games when we can rest our players to keep them fresh to be plucky losers in big leagues games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 11 hours ago, JustinSFC said: Why would I have said the opposite last season? Moyes is a better manager than your mate Ralph full stop. Moyes was jogging along at Everton , failed at ManU , failed at W Ham , brought back at W Ham and with some new players has had a good season . He has done well to re establish himself but looked lost last time round . To compare him with Ralph I suggest you need to see how Ralph does over a longer time first ! Hopefully next season Ralph can make Saints less predictable now the other teams know how to counter our game plan . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 22 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said: Moyes was jogging along at Everton , failed at ManU , failed at W Ham , brought back at W Ham and with some new players has had a good season . He has done well to re establish himself but looked lost last time round . To compare him with Ralph I suggest you need to see how Ralph does over a longer time first ! Hopefully next season Ralph can make Saints less predictable now the other teams know how to counter our game plan . Not sure he failed first time at West Ham - came in to sort them out and keep them up which he did pretty effectively. I'd think he did better in the two thirds of a season he had than Ralph has done in the equivalent time this season. And Moyes was walking into a club and a team that wasn't his. He didn't get the full time gig not because he failed but because he wasn't a sexy appointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 Best price 5/1 to go down next season. May as well profit from the misery and get the season ticket money back... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, East Kent Saint said: Moyes was jogging along at Everton , failed at ManU , failed at W Ham , brought back at W Ham and with some new players has had a good season . He has done well to re establish himself but looked lost last time round . To compare him with Ralph I suggest you need to see how Ralph does over a longer time first ! Hopefully next season Ralph can make Saints less predictable now the other teams know how to counter our game plan . I can't work out if you're being serious or not. Any manager, I mean ANY.... Including Pep Guardiola would have failed taking the United job immediately after Ferguson. Also, how long do you want me to judge Ralph over before calling him one notch up from Mark Hughes.. ?Barely. Just about. Next season is his 4th Season here. Now... If you're suggesting Moyes would have lost 15 of his last 21, including not one but two 9-0 hammerings, 1 of which this season, getting soundly beaten by a bottom 6 team playing with 9 men and breaking our record for most goals conceded in a single season (2 short of fucking seventy) then I don't know what to tell you. Because regardless of whether Moyes is a wank manager or not and I think he's exponentially better than Ralph tactically, there is no way on god's green earth he has the season we've just had. No way. Not a chance. Edited 24 May, 2021 by JustinSFC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 14 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: I can't work out if you're being serious or not. Any manager, I mean ANY.... Including Pep Guardiola would have failed taking the United job immediately after Ferguson. Also, how long do you want me to judge Ralph over before calling him one notch up from Mark Hughes.. ?Barely. Just about. Next season is his 4th Season here. Now... If you're suggesting Moyes would have lost 15 of his last 21, including not one but two 9-0 hammerings, 1 of which this season, getting soundly beaten by a bottom 6 team playing with 9 men and breaking our record for most goals conceded in a single season (2 short of fucking seventy) then I don't know what to tell you. Because regardless of whether Moyes is a wank manager or not and I think he's exponentially better than Ralph tactically, there is no way on god's green earth he has the season we've just had. No way. Not a chance. Also worth noting that Moyes managed to get West Ham up to 6th without a recognised striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 35 minutes ago, SKD said: Also worth noting that Moyes managed to get West Ham up to 6th without a recognised striker. We laugh at West Ham and many fans turned their nose up when Moyes was suggested as manager. We are superior to them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 3 hours ago, Turkish said: We laugh at West Ham and many fans turned their nose up when Moyes was suggested as manager. We are superior to them both. We were last season, what went wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 24 May, 2021 Share Posted 24 May, 2021 21 hours ago, JRM said: Mohammed Elynoussi and Mario Lemina back in the side with a point to prove could be just what we need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 25 May, 2021 Share Posted 25 May, 2021 On 24/05/2021 at 12:27, JustinSFC said: I can't work out if you're being serious or not. Any manager, I mean ANY.... Including Pep Guardiola would have failed taking the United job immediately after Ferguson. Also, how long do you want me to judge Ralph over before calling him one notch up from Mark Hughes.. ?Barely. Just about. Next season is his 4th Season here. Now... If you're suggesting Moyes would have lost 15 of his last 21, including not one but two 9-0 hammerings, 1 of which this season, getting soundly beaten by a bottom 6 team playing with 9 men and breaking our record for most goals conceded in a single season (2 short of fucking seventy) then I don't know what to tell you. Because regardless of whether Moyes is a wank manager or not and I think he's exponentially better than Ralph tactically, there is no way on god's green earth he has the season we've just had. No way. Not a chance. I get your point but I was pointing out Moyes rep took a hit after he left Everton and for some reason was given a second chance at W Ham . The team did well esp compared with us this season so I am hoping Ralph can get it back on track next season in the same way . If it starts to go dowener hill next season then Ralph must move on !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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