Tyler Dibling

[V.Johnathan.Wilson]

Its probably either leipzig or dortmund, I find it hard to believe that Dibling would want to leave for Everton that badly, Leipzig and Dortmund with their youth player development reputations, that's an entirely different story and both could easily match Everton's offer especially as Leipzig are just about to bank a ridiculous sum for Sesko. 

Edited Thursday at 04:26 by V.Johnathan.Wilson

[Dusic]

55 minutes ago, V.Johnathan.Wilson said:

Its probably either leipzig or dortmund, I find it hard to believe that Dibling would want to leave for Everton that badly, Leipzig and Dortmund with their youth player development reputations, that's an entirely different story and both could easily match Everton's offer especially as Leipzig are just about to bank a ridiculous sum for Sesko. 

I mean everything points towards Everton but yeah maybe.

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, V.Johnathan.Wilson said:

Its probably either leipzig or dortmund, I find it hard to believe that Dibling would want to leave for Everton that badly, Leipzig and Dortmund with their youth player development reputations, that's an entirely different story and both could easily match Everton's offer especially as Leipzig are just about to bank a ridiculous sum for Sesko. 

I don't know the lad personally but can't see him wanting to move abroad after getting homesick going to London a few years ago. 

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, V.Johnathan.Wilson said:

Its probably either leipzig or dortmund, I find it hard to believe that Dibling would want to leave for Everton that badly, Leipzig and Dortmund with their youth player development reputations, that's an entirely different story and both could easily match Everton's offer especially as Leipzig are just about to bank a ridiculous sum for Sesko. 

They’re after Harvey Elliott.

[Totton Saint]

18 hours ago, John B said:

The point I am making is that in the 60s when there was the maximum wage until the formation of the PL was that wages were really not that  high compared with today when nobody of real talent wants to play for the Saints

I was very lucky to see top class players like Ron Davies Peter Osgood Charlie Geopge FranK Worthing Peter Shilton and Alan Ball in Division2 play for us and we had loads of young players who played in the top division those days are of course over

Our youngsters seem to move very early and reasonable players do not want to extend their contracts.

It is difficult for clubs of our size to recruit players while many on here think the club is incompetent and abuse those in charge

By the way Terry Paine played in the 1966 World Cup before he had played a Div 1 game

Thanks for bringing back happy memories.  You forgot Ted Mcdougal by the way.

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Let’s put the Tyler Dibling rumours into context:

- He was upset and homesick after moving to London.
- He lasted four weeks before returning quietly to the club.
- Most rumours generated are by fan accounts that are now being picked up by club fan accounts (eg. SaintsExtra) which makes the rumour seem more substantiated.
- He had a breakthrough season last year, but was tainted by the shite he had around him. Some games he looked decent, but some he went totally missing.
- “If” he wanted to leave, do you think his next dream move would be Everton? If he put a foot wrong the locals would batter him within seconds.
- £50m for someone who has scored only two Premier League goals? Yeah I’d take it, but I think he’ll end up somewhere else.
- But that’s the last thing, where does he end up? I don’t see him ending up at any of the top six now, they’ve all gone for far better established attacking options. They aren’t spending £50m on a largely untied kid. So that leaves abroad - which I don’t see happening. Or your teams outside the top six, Villa? Forest? Brighton? None of those I see as feasible either.

 

[John B]

8 minutes ago, Totton Saint said:

Thanks for bringing back happy memories.  You forgot Ted Mcdougal by the way.

 

and Phil Boyer David Armstrong Mark Wright Brian O'Neil Jimmy Gabriel John McGrath

[S-Clarke]

10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Let’s put the Tyler Dibling rumours into context:

- He was upset and homesick after moving to London.
- He lasted four weeks before returning quietly to the club.
- Most rumours generated are by fan accounts that are now being picked up by club fan accounts (eg. SaintsExtra) which makes the rumour seem more substantiated.
- He had a breakthrough season last year, but was tainted by the shite he had around him. Some games he looked decent, but some he went totally missing.
- “If” he wanted to leave, do you think his next dream move would be Everton? If he put a foot wrong the locals would batter him within seconds.
- £50m for someone who has scored only two Premier League goals? Yeah I’d take it, but I think he’ll end up somewhere else.
- But that’s the last thing, where does he end up? I don’t see him ending up at any of the top six now, they’ve all gone for far better established attacking options. They aren’t spending £50m on a largely untied kid. So that leaves abroad - which I don’t see happening. Or your teams outside the top six, Villa? Forest? Brighton? None of those I see as feasible either.

 

I think it's naive at this stage to believe that the Everton rumours are gossip and unsubstantiated. In my eyes, it's all but done. He's been pulled from training to avoid any last min contact injuries which would scupper a deal.

That wouldn't happen if there wasn't an expectation on both sides that a deal would be done. It's just a matter of when and it's probably 99% going to be Everton.

Edited Thursday at 08:40 by S-Clarke

[OldNick]

He is been put to train by himself for non contact, surely he could train with the defence of last season as they made no contact with anyone

[S-Clarke]

Just now, OldNick said:

He is been put to train by himself for non contact, surely he could train with the defence of last season as they made no contact with anyone

This is why BBD, Archer and co looked absolutely prolific in training last season.

On a serious note, the poor squad (i.e. the large gap of quality between starters and the rest) makes the training environment unbalanced and no where near a fair reflection on what they'd face in real matches. 

We have a big squad but very little competitiveness is how I see it, and that will harm training as it creates a false sense of illusion for less savvy managers that player x or y is better than they actually are.

[SWLondon Saint]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I think it's naive to think at this stage that there's nothing in the Everton rumours and that it's all been a load of gossip. In my eyes, it's all but done. He's been pulled from training to avoid any last min contact injuries which would scupper a deal.

That wouldn't happen if there wasn't an expectation on both sides that a deal would be done. It's just a matter of when and it's probably 99% going to be Everton.

Most likely yes, he'll go somewhere in between their last offer and the £50m we want. I do agree with Willo above that expectations would probably be unreasonably high if he moves with that kind of price tag as he'd be the 2nd most expensive teenager in PL history after....Romeo Lavia.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, SWLondon Saint said:

Most likely yes, he'll go somewhere in between their last offer and the £50m we want. I do agree with Willo above that expectations would probably be unreasonably high if he moves with that kind of price tag as he'd be the 2nd most expensive teenager in PL history after....Romeo Lavia.

I still think he's a little daft to be leaving at this stage, but if he won't sign a deal the club have to maximise the value on a full home grown talent. 

He's a shy lad as everyone says, so with a £50m price on his head and media surrounding him in the bright lights of Liverpool (which is a tricky place to adapt for most people) he could sink into the wilderness. I hope he doesn't as he's talented, but he should have been advised to stay here in an environment he trusts to refine his skills - and when he's a tiny bit older, a bit more confident and has a bit more to backup the reputation...he may handle a big move better.

It feels a risk for him right now. Not financially, not for his agent, but for him personally I think he's been incredibly poorly advised by those around him.

[Saint86]

Russel Martin Interview doing the rounds on the GrandOldTeam.

[Saint86]

And a few pages on that forum reminded me how revolting some of Everton's fanbase really are... 

"The irony is there are no ‘true’ Southampton fans.
Anyone from that area supports the RS or Man Utd. Southampton are their second team.
They’re a league one team at best."

I know all fanbases have them, but they really do seem to be disproportionately bad.

[Saint Fan CaM]

It’s obvious he’s gone and it’ll be to Everton unless they get gazumped at the last minute. It feels a bit sickening that one of our best young talents goes to a team we should be rivalling in the Prem, but by the same token they are exactly the level at which Tyler could make his mark. Given the advanced talks let’s hope it’s done quickly now so we can invest in a couple of much needed creative midfield players to take his place - that’s going to be a very difficult task and not cheap.

[Saint_lambden]

6 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

And a few pages on that forum reminded me how revolting some of Everton's fanbase really are... 

"The irony is there are no ‘true’ Southampton fans.
Anyone from that area supports the RS or Man Utd. Southampton are their second team.
They’re a league one team at best."

I know all fanbases have them, but they really do seem to be disproportionately bad.

They're up there with Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool fans for levels of delusion and self-importance. 

[Wade Garrett]

34 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Let’s put the Tyler Dibling rumours into context:

- He was upset and homesick after moving to London.
- He lasted four weeks before returning quietly to the club.
- Most rumours generated are by fan accounts that are now being picked up by club fan accounts (eg. SaintsExtra) which makes the rumour seem more substantiated.
- He had a breakthrough season last year, but was tainted by the shite he had around him. Some games he looked decent, but some he went totally missing.
- “If” he wanted to leave, do you think his next dream move would be Everton? If he put a foot wrong the locals would batter him within seconds.
- £50m for someone who has scored only two Premier League goals? Yeah I’d take it, but I think he’ll end up somewhere else.
- But that’s the last thing, where does he end up? I don’t see him ending up at any of the top six now, they’ve all gone for far better established attacking options. They aren’t spending £50m on a largely untied kid. So that leaves abroad - which I don’t see happening. Or your teams outside the top six, Villa? Forest? Brighton? None of those I see as feasible either.

 

His next move doesn’t have to be his dream move.  He’s a young lad and has the opportunity to massively increase his wages at an established Premier League club.

If he fulfills his potential his move from Everton could be his dream move, who knows.  I don’t think Everton is a bad option for him.

[Wade Garrett]

12 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

And a few pages on that forum reminded me how revolting some of Everton's fanbase really are... 

"The irony is there are no ‘true’ Southampton fans.
Anyone from that area supports the RS or Man Utd. Southampton are their second team.
They’re a league one team at best."

I know all fanbases have them, but they really do seem to be disproportionately bad.

It’s an outrageous practice denigrating fans of other clubs.  I’m glad we rise above it 😉.

[SWLondon Saint]

16 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

His next move doesn’t have to be his dream move.  He’s a young lad and has the opportunity to massively increase his wages at an established Premier League club.

If he fulfills his potential his move from Everton could be his dream move, who knows.  I don’t think Everton is a bad option for him.

I'm in the same boat as S-Clarke above - great move financially of course, but for football development - not sure. Moyes is a good manager, but this is totally different to say, Rooney who came through under him. The £45m+ pricetag puts big pressure on straightaway, people expect the goods every week, and his game still needs quite a lot of work from the looks of it. He probably needs more games but with less pressure and that's pretty much the opposite of the mid/lower PL. The benefit of somewhere like Dortmund or Leipzig is they dominate games anyway so it's easier for a young player. We would too, in the Champ, but obviously a lower level.

[ally_uk]

Why has he been pulled out of training? Obviously he is off to Everton, not rocket science, which is a shame because the lad is class

Watch the highlights videos of him last season.... Best player we have had come through in a long time.

Sad to see him go, but if the money is good and he doesn't want to be here then nothing we can do. 

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Let’s put the Tyler Dibling rumours into context:

- He was upset and homesick after moving to London.
- He lasted four weeks before returning quietly to the club.
- Most rumours generated are by fan accounts that are now being picked up by club fan accounts (eg. SaintsExtra) which makes the rumour seem more substantiated.
- He had a breakthrough season last year, but was tainted by the shite he had around him. Some games he looked decent, but some he went totally missing.
- “If” he wanted to leave, do you think his next dream move would be Everton? If he put a foot wrong the locals would batter him within seconds.
- £50m for someone who has scored only two Premier League goals? Yeah I’d take it, but I think he’ll end up somewhere else.
- But that’s the last thing, where does he end up? I don’t see him ending up at any of the top six now, they’ve all gone for far better established attacking options. They aren’t spending £50m on a largely untied kid. So that leaves abroad - which I don’t see happening. Or your teams outside the top six, Villa? Forest? Brighton? None of those I see as feasible either.

 

Fans keep making this 'excuse' for Tyler yet Fernandes showed no such drop in form or tendency to go missing. I get that they are two different characters but I don't buy the excuse for Dibling so perhaps his inclination is to slack off when the going gets tough.

[adrian lord]

8 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Why has he been pulled out of training?

to avoid any possibility of an injury. 

8 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

 

 

[Toussaint]

10 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Why has he been pulled out of training? Obviously he is off to Everton, not rocket science, which is a shame because the lad is class

Watch the highlights videos of him last season.... Best player we have had come through in a long time.

Sad to see him go, but if the money is good and he doesn't want to be here then nothing we can do. 

 

He’s training alone according to the Echo, so that is just the club protecting their asset, alternatively it’s code for he isn’t training at all. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

Reasonable level for the lad to move onto and nice payday. They’re a decent stepping stone club to get him a move to one of the big boys fairly quickly.

And then another fat paycheque for us with a hefty sell-on when he does. 

[derry]

He's training with a group of senior players who aren't in contention to play against Wrexham. Neither is he for two reasons, he's probably not totally fit and the fall out from the transfer speculation. Furthermore the German club connections make sense as ROOF are a German agency.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

And a few pages on that forum reminded me how revolting some of Everton's fanbase really are... 

"The irony is there are no ‘true’ Southampton fans.
Anyone from that area supports the RS or Man Utd. Southampton are their second team.
They’re a league one team at best."

I know all fanbases have them, but they really do seem to be disproportionately bad.

Did a few of them nick the dugouts and have them in the kitchen diner in their one up one down housees

[hippo]

Newcastle and Spurs now showing interest: https://www.teamtalk.com/everton/tyler-dibling-everton-southampton-newcastle-united-tottenham-hotspur

[kitch]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

This is why BBD, Archer and co looked absolutely prolific in training last season.

On a serious note, the poor squad (i.e. the large gap of quality between starters and the rest) makes the training environment unbalanced and no where near a fair reflection on what they'd face in real matches. 

We have a big squad but very little competitiveness is how I see it, and that will harm training as it creates a false sense of illusion for less savvy managers that player x or y is better than they actually are.

This is our biggest problem, IMO. 

[Smirking_Saint]

From what I know it wasn’t so much he was homesick at London

It was more a realisation that there was a pathway at Saints and not at Chelsea and hence he forced a move back out

[Saint Scott]

8 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Palmer, Saka, Gordon, Rogers, Bellingham, Foden, Rashford, Eze all ahead of him for those 3 attacking midfield spots at the moment. Possibly Maddison as well. Think he struggles to get in the squad anyway. 

Maddison won't be going, his ACL injury will keep him out for most of next season

Levy may now firm up Spurs supposed interest in Tyler

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, Saint Scott said:

Maddison won't be going, his ACL injury will keep him out for most of next season

Levy may now firm up Spurs supposed interest in Tyler

Levy's first offer will be a signed photo of Poch and a packet of crisps. Maybe Tommy Forecasts re-gen thrown in for good measure.

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

From what I know it wasn’t so much he was homesick at London

It was more a realisation that there was a pathway at Saints and not at Chelsea and hence he forced a move back out

I heard he missed going down to Mayflower park and watching the cruise ships come and go

 

[Suhari]

2 hours ago, hippo said:

Newcastle and Spurs now showing interest: https://www.teamtalk.com/everton/tyler-dibling-everton-southampton-newcastle-united-tottenham-hotspur

Would be fucking hilarious if Everton miss out on him.

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Suhari said:

Would be fucking hilarious if Everton miss out on him.

Happened with Lavia and Liverpool I think if Im correct

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, hippo said:

Newcastle and Spurs now showing interest: https://www.teamtalk.com/everton/tyler-dibling-everton-southampton-newcastle-united-tottenham-hotspur

If I was Newcastle I wouldn't bother and just avoid further disappointment, no one seems to want to join them.

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, hippo said:

Newcastle and Spurs now showing interest: https://www.teamtalk.com/everton/tyler-dibling-everton-southampton-newcastle-united-tottenham-hotspur

'TEAMtalk understands that Everton are keen on a summer deal for Dibling'

'Sources have told TEAMtalk that Everton have already had two offers for the England Under-21 international turned down by the Saints'

'TEAMtalk understands that Southampton are demanding £50million for Dibling'

'Sources have told TEAMtalk’s transfer correspondent, Fraser Fletcher, that Dibling is training alone'

 

Best keep an eye on TEAMtalk lads - high-quality ITK stuff like this that they've got from their sources is pretty hard to find. 

Apparently their sources have also heard a whisper that all may not be well at Sheffield Wednesday, but they've not shared that yet, so mum's the word yeah? 

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

'TEAMtalk understands that Everton are keen on a summer deal for Dibling'

'Sources have told TEAMtalk that Everton have already had two offers for the England Under-21 international turned down by the Saints'

'TEAMtalk understands that Southampton are demanding £50million for Dibling'

'Sources have told TEAMtalk’s transfer correspondent, Fraser Fletcher, that Dibling is training alone'

 

Best keep an eye on TEAMtalk lads - high-quality ITK stuff like this that they've got from their sources is pretty hard to find. 

Apparently their sources have also heard a whisper that all may not be well at Sheffield Wednesday, but they've not shared that yet, so mum's the word yeah? 

Has Sad Old Git confirmed that Everton have bid for Dibling yet? 

[warsash saint]

3 hours ago, Saint86 said:

And a few pages on that forum reminded me how revolting some of Everton's fanbase really are... 

"The irony is there are no ‘true’ Southampton fans.
Anyone from that area supports the RS or Man Utd. Southampton are their second team.
They’re a league one team at best."

I know all fanbases have them, but they really do seem to be disproportionately bad.

You only have to read this forum to know the nutjobs that post are not a true reflection of the fanbase

Any Saints supporters that visited Goodison for last day of game of the season will tell you the Everton fans are one of the best in the country!

Edited Thursday at 12:35 by warsash saint

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If I was Newcastle I wouldn't bother and just avoid further disappointment, no one seems to want to join them.

Which is strange IMO. 
 

Almost as strange as joining Man United when you look at the dozens of players who have been ruined by them, the procession of managers and just the sheer stench around the place these days. What decent player is going to think, “yeah that’s the club for me”?

[Midfield_General]

Haven't Newcastle just paid £55m for Elanga? And Spurs just paid £55m for Kudus? 

It would seem a bit odd if either of them followed up paying loads of money for a right winger by paying loads more money for another right winger. 

Unless of course TEAMTalk is just a load of old steaming fucking shite. But that can't be true. 

Edited Thursday at 12:51 by Midfield_General

[benjii]

3 hours ago, Saint_lambden said:

They're up there with Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool fans for levels of delusion and self-importance. 

Spurs?

[saintant]

This has rumbled on for a while now so, if a deal is close, I hope we have some decent alternatives lined up already.

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

This has rumbled on for a while now so, if a deal is close, I hope we have some decent alternatives lined up already.

You would hope but the it goes on, it makes you doubt it

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Which is strange IMO. 
 

Almost as strange as joining Man United when you look at the dozens of players who have been ruined by them, the procession of managers and just the sheer stench around the place these days. What decent player is going to think, “yeah that’s the club for me”?

Huijsen went to Real Madrid. Pretty easy choice. Delap went to Chelsea  because at the time he thought he would be first choice and not sat behind Isak. Similarly, Ekitike to Liverpool, the best team in the country, had no striker. Trafford to City, I guess because it's his club and the number 1 is opening up there. Mbeumo and Sesko to United. Despite their failings, United are still a massive draw and perhaps players can see that with the right signings they can be a force again relatively quickly. How true that is I am not sure. Kudus to Spurs? Not sure.

Isak wanting out is not going to help them sign elite players either. They will appear to be going backwards rather than forwards. Does that help bring a player like Dibling into the equation? When they signed Isak, Gordon, Hall and Livramento I thought it similar to Chelsea way back on the day, showing a real understanding of top quality young talent.

 

 

[Chez]

7 minutes ago, saintant said:

This has rumbled on for a while now so, if a deal is close, I hope we have some decent alternatives lined up already.

It's only been a week. Not exactly Skacel territory. 
They will have targets. They have been linked to Spertsyan and Fellows for example. Doesn't mean we will get them mind you.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I might let out a little chuckle if a big club come in and gazumps the scallies.

Everton, know your place

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

It's only been a week. Not exactly Skacel territory. 
They will have targets. They have been linked to Spertsyan and Fellows for example. Doesn't mean we will get them mind you.

I'm sure the club have known Dibling will likely be leaving for more than a week.

[Jack]

3 hours ago, ally_uk said:

Why has he been pulled out of training? Obviously he is off to Everton, not rocket science, which is a shame because the lad is class

Watch the highlights videos of him last season.... Best player we have had come through in a long time.

Sad to see him go, but if the money is good and he doesn't want to be here then nothing we can do. 

 

Highlights reel is him going past players with ease, followed by a shot a yard the wrong side of the near post, or a cross to nothing, or down the keeper’s throat. 
 

He’s got big potential but we’ve seen very little end product, very little work rate off the ball, some would say questionable desire. I don’t blame the club for hanging out for big payday, but if I was the club in the market for a £45m+ creative player, I’d be very nervous that he was going to be a flop. 

Edited Thursday at 13:34 by Jack

[Zorba]

3 minutes ago, Jack said:

Highlights reel is him going past players with ease, followed by a shot a yard outside the near post, or a cross to nothing, or down the keeper’s throat. 
 

He’s got big potential but we’ve seen very little end product, very little work rate off the ball, some would say questionable desire. I don’t blame the club for hanging out for big payday, but if I was the club in the market for a £45m+ creative player, I’d be very nervous that he was going to be a flop. 

£10m player. £30m potential. A bird in the hand and all that. Get it done!

[Charlie Wayman]

23 hours ago, IOWSaintDaz said:

Goodbye Tyler, thanks for the memories, hope it works out better than last time at Chelsea

What memories would that be then? He's been here for about five minutes and done nothing of note to help our team forward.

He won't be missed simply because there was nothing there to be missed.

Edited Thursday at 13:47 by Charlie Wayman