Summer Transfer Window 2025/26

[Saint Scott]

2 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Surprised he’s not got PL interest.

An odd choice if KWP goes to Turkey, he should be aiming higher.

I cannot recall an English player heading there working out in recent history. Dele, AOC, Redmond and Zaha

Edited 23 hours ago by Saint Scott

[qwertyell]

25 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He seemingly doesn't seem to have many admirers in England though.

I imagine being an integral part of the by far worst PL team and worst defence in two of the last three seasons didn't exactly raise his stock. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, qwertyell said:

I imagine being an integral part of the by far worst PL team and worst defence in two of the last three seasons didn't exactly raise his stock. 

Probably not, he was one of the least culpable towards that though!

[qwertyell]

7 hours ago, ally_uk said:

Any actual transfer news? Tired of navigating such bollocks about horses 🤣

They're hints. We're getting Mane back.

Fetlock the thread. 

[ErwinK1961]

Kind of demonstrates that he’s not actually THAT good.

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Saint Scott said:

An odd choice if KWP goes to Turkey, he should be aiming higher.

I cannot recall an English player heading there working out in recent history. Dele, AOC, Redmond and Zaha

[Chez]

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Probably not, he was one of the least culpable towards that though!

He was really shite in the 2022/23 relegation season and he wasn't all that last year. He looks like he has lost a yard of pace and he had zero impact going forward in games. He looked bloody good in the Championship, but maybe that equates to him only being good enough for the Turkish league now?

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

He was really shite in the 2022/23 relegation season and he wasn't all that last year. He looks like he has lost a yard of pace and he had zero impact going forward in games. He looked bloody good in the Championship, but maybe that equates to him only being good enough for the Turkish league now?

Everyone lost a yard of pace or two last season under Martin’s ‘no running, all ball possession work’ walking pre-season. Even peak Sadio Mane would have looked like Micky Quinn. In a professional set-up, the sharpness will return hopefully for KWP.

[goodymatt]

 

[Saint Scott]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

*A dual citizen with two senior English caps to his name

[EBS1980]

I think it’s important now we start to shift some of those not needed. If we can move Bednarek Aribo on for starters then maybe we can then look to add someone else to the squad. 

[skintsaint]

18 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

*A dual citizen with two senior English caps to his name

I accept your error.

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

I think it’s important now we start to shift some of those not needed. If we can move Bednarek Aribo on for starters then maybe we can then look to add someone else to the squad. 

Clearly the plan is to bring in an AM and then do just that. 

Aribo 

Bednarek 

Bazunu 

ABK 

Possibly Taylor

Need to leave. Anyone else who leaves will need replacing. 

 

[chivvy]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Clearly the plan is to bring in an AM and then do just that. 

Aribo 

Bednarek 

Bazunu 

ABK 

Possibly Taylor

Need to leave. Anyone else who leaves will need replacing. 

 

Add Fraser to that list perfect signing for rangers on a free give him away.

Edited 15 hours ago by chivvy

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, chivvy said:

Add Fraser to that list perfect signing for rangers on a free give him away.

Doubt it as no one is paying his wages. 

[coalman]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Doubt it as no one is paying his wages. 

Sadly that's not true. We are.

[Dank]

I thought Fraser was actually quite good for us in the championship last time. Got forward well (in a Russell Martin team) and put a shift in defensively. We should never have offered him a contract but I'd rather keep him as cover than pay him to play for another team. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Dank said:

I thought Fraser was actually quite good for us in the championship last time. Got forward well (in a Russell Martin team) and put a shift in defensively. We should never have offered him a contract but I'd rather keep him as cover than pay him to play for another team. 

Can he play a pressing game at his age? 

[revolution saint]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Can he play a pressing game at his age? 

He put a decent shift in for the play off final although that was more defensive than pressing but both require a decent amount of energy so possibly.  He'd probably be fine as cover I guess. 

Was thinking about Fraser the other day and remembered his debut when he came on as a sub - can't remember who against but was fantastic for that short period and seemed to beat his man every time putting three or four decent crosses in.  He never did that again, virtually always checking back and recycling possession.  Maybe that was more RM tactics than Fraser being too conservative.

[Paul Chuckle]

11 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

He put a decent shift in for the play off final although that was more defensive than pressing but both require a decent amount of energy so possibly.  He'd probably be fine as cover I guess. 

Was thinking about Fraser the other day and remembered his debut when he came on as a sub - can't remember who against but was fantastic for that short period and seemed to beat his man every time putting three or four decent crosses in.  He never did that again, virtually always checking back and recycling possession.  Maybe that was more RM tactics than Fraser being too conservative.

QPR at home, he was hugging the touchline on the left, put in some really good crosses and like you I thought he looked class. 

[Baird of the land]

18 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Surprised he’s not got PL interest.

I expected someone like Everton to snap him up.

[Rebel]

KWP's big problem is he can't really defend. He doesn't have the stature or physicality to cope with big forwards or high balls.  And his positional sense defensively is woeful.

He is great going forward in an attacking team that dominate the ball - and could play as an inverted full back or wing back for a team like that. But as a straight full back he's not in the elite category.  

Plus he's not really that good playing on the left - it reduces him to a one trick pony going forwards - cutting in and passing the ball inside.  And he was even worse defensively on the left.

If he could defend or was two footed and could really play on the left we would have easily sold him 2 years ago when we last got relegated for £25-30M or more but no one came close to offering that because of the holes in his game. I think the closest offer we got was £15M which the club thought was too little.  I think they made a mistake there - they should have accepted it and replaced him with a full back that was better at defending - but probably not so good going forwards.

He would probably be best as a wide right midfielder in a 'wingless wonders' team.

Edited 7 hours ago by Rebel

[SotonianWill]

15 hours ago, Saint Scott said:

An odd choice if KWP goes to Turkey, he should be aiming higher.

I cannot recall an English player heading there working out in recent history. Dele, AOC, Redmond and Zaha

Wayne Rooney? (Hair)

[sockeye]

If SR manage to unload Fraser I would be very impressed. That was the most immediately offensive signing to me last summer, completely unnecessary. I don't think he has much value neither financially nor on the pitch so I'm more expecting us to keep him until his contract expires next year. Maybe Still can get some use out of him.

[Fabrice29]

21 minutes ago, Rebel said:

Plus he's not really that good playing on the left - it reduces him to a one trick pony going forwards - cutting in and passing the ball inside.

The amount of key passes he makes, successful dribbles and shots all go up over his career when he plays on the left. Cutting inside opens up the whole pitch to him whereas I think he becomes more one dimensional when he's put at right back personally. Was picked to play at left back for England too remember. 

Not totally surprised at the move to Turkey. Chance for European football which he probably isn't going to get from a club here unless he wants to be on the bench for it.

[Fabrice29]

16 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Potentially a club out of the running for Ramsdale, if they were ever interested that is -

id interest from other clubs.

Can't see any other gaps in PL clubs for a keeper at the mo. Of the clubs which are looking, Newcastle are pushing to sign Trafford and Manchester United have given Onana the ill-fated backing.

Not sure where else he goes if he leaves? (Plus he's keen - if not certain - in his need to stay in the South for personal reasons)

Said this recently too. Niche position, not sure Ramsdale offers much "value" at 10 - 20 million presumably? Certainly little resale value. We/he have to find a club desperate for a quality keeper who were setback by their original, cheaper, alternative option, like we were towards the end of the last window. Maybe even a late loan. 

[gio1saints]

For last two years he’s consistently one of our best players. Perhaps that says more about our team than KWP but all the same at least when he gets the ball I have had the hope something might happen. As do most of SMS. Take him away and replace him with a conventional FB and we may concede fewer goals. Win perhaps more matches by consequence. But he does bring JOY and DELIGHT to the match and that’s what I mainly go for. Not football-by-numbers. 

[Give it to Ron]

1 minute ago, gio1saints said:

For last two years he’s consistently one of our best players. Perhaps that says more about our team than KWP but all the same at least when he gets the ball I have had the hope something might happen. As do most of SMS. Take him away and replace him with a conventional FB and we may concede fewer goals. Win perhaps more matches by consequence. But he does bring JOY and DELIGHT to the match and that’s what I mainly go for. Not football-by-numbers. 

I have high hopes for Wellington think he is Ryan Bertrand mk2 . He was my MOTM v City. 

[revolution saint]

3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

But he does bring JOY and DELIGHT to the match and that’s what I mainly go for. 

They the two who were in Razzle a few years back?

[goodymatt]

 

[Chez]

4 hours ago, Dank said:

I thought Fraser was actually quite good for us in the championship last time. Got forward well (in a Russell Martin team) and put a shift in defensively. We should never have offered him a contract but I'd rather keep him as cover than pay him to play for another team. 

I recall the league game at home to WBA and I was really impressed by his off the balls runs. Although not always found, and sometimes found but not able to bring the ball under control, he seemed to be constantly making runs behind and between the full back and center back. It was really noticeable, as it gave us an option in terms of a longer ball, which was badly needed to prevent us being boxed in. Although I wasn't keen on him getting a new deal - I was hopful we could upgrader - having signed, I thought that movement might be pretty useful in the Prem, and I certainly couldn't see how BBD playing out there on the left offered anything better. Our current options out wide look pretty limited to me.

[Chez]

7 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Sunderland have spent about £80m so far this window (according to transfmarkt). PSR will limit what they can spend, so another £25m on Ramsdale might be beyond them.

[trousers]

11 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 

Someone at the club needs to have a word in Thomas Tuchels shell-like...

".... 'ere.... Tom me ol' mucka.... wontcha have a Dicky Bird with Rambo when you get a mo and tell 'im he stands more chance of getting back into the England squad playing in a top Championship team than he does playing for the Black f***ing Cats at the arse end of Premier League"

Edited 4 hours ago by trousers

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Sunderland have spent about £80m so far this window (according to transfmarkt). PSR will limit what they can spend, so another £25m on Ramsdale might be beyond them.

Aren’t they kind of free of PSR shackles for now? 

[Chez]

18 hours ago, Saint Scott said:

An odd choice if KWP goes to Turkey, he should be aiming higher.

I cannot recall an English player heading there working out in recent history. Dele, AOC, Redmond and Zaha

Not English, but Sara did well last season after moving to Galatasaray from Norwich and has been linked to Inter and Villa. Not sure we had the finds available or could have competed with Galatasaray, but he was a player we needed last season to play alongside Downes.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

Aren’t they kind of free of PSR shackles for now? 

yeah, thinking about it, they have sold Bellingham and Watson, so that gives them plenty of wriggle room.

I still think Villa might be a good option if Martinez departs.

[goodymatt]

12 minutes ago, Chez said:

Sunderland have spent about £80m so far this window (according to transfmarkt). PSR will limit what they can spend, so another £25m on Ramsdale might be beyond them.

Could be a loan, as Dragan suggested we are looking at options to allow him to come back if we go up.

[SuperSAINT]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

yeah, thinking about it, they have sold Bellingham and Watson, so that gives them plenty of wriggle room.

I still think Villa might be a good option if Martinez departs.

They (Sunderland) are linked with endless £20m+ players.

[goodymatt]

 

[Dusic]

Plus from our perspective you have to consider the cost of signing players if we do go back up.

If we sell Ramsdale, THB, Fernandes and Dibling, which is fairly likely then you are probably looking at needing a net spend of minimum £150m to have a chance of staying up in the PL given a standard PL player is pretty much £20m minimum these days.

If we don't have financial pressure to sell all of them then would be great if we could keep at least one or loan them out if they are adamant they want PL football.

Would be such a shame to scout a gem like Fernandea only to sell him to Leeds a year later and then have to spend £25m next summer to sign someone not as good!

[Midfield_General]

32 minutes ago, Chez said:

Sunderland have spent about £80m so far this window (according to transfmarkt). PSR will limit what they can spend, so another £25m on Ramsdale might be beyond them.

If we are, as rumoured, offering him £100k per week to stay, then I'm also not convinced a move to a club like Sunderland would actually be all that appealing to Ramsdale. 

Are they going to pay him much more than that, for a deal which would mean uprooting his family again to go to literally the other end of country, just to get smashed every week for the second season running and almost certainly relegated yet again, to put a fourth relegation on his CV? Would that really help his financial situation, his England chances or his quality of life enough to make it worthwhile? I'm not sure it would. 

If a half-decent southern team came in for him then obviously it's a different story, but I think there's a reasonable chance he might turn the likes of Sunderland down, unless they offered him really, really silly money. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Midfield_General

[ant]

Perhaps it's not the sort of thing you think about as a player, but would Ramsdale want to risk another relegation on his CV?

(Not that he wouldn't be in a similar position in 12 months if he stays with us and we have a decent season...)

It's probably daft, but I'd mind less if he goes to a solid mid-table Prem team rather than one closer to our level.

[woodsaint1]

3 hours ago, Rebel said:

KWP's big problem is he can't really defend. He doesn't have the stature or physicality to cope with big forwards or high balls.  And his positional sense defensively is woeful.

He is great going forward in an attacking team that dominate the ball - and could play as an inverted full back or wing back for a team like that. But as a straight full back he's not in the elite category.  

Plus he's not really that good playing on the left - it reduces him to a one trick pony going forwards - cutting in and passing the ball inside.  And he was even worse defensively on the left.

If he could defend or was two footed and could really play on the left we would have easily sold him 2 years ago when we last got relegated for £25-30M or more but no one came close to offering that because of the holes in his game. I think the closest offer we got was £15M which the club thought was too little.  I think they made a mistake there - they should have accepted it and replaced him with a full back that was better at defending - but probably not so good going forwards.

He would probably be best as a wide right midfielder in a 'wingless wonders' team.

Tbf alot of modern day full backs are like this. There has certainly been a shift in the game with more emphasis on the attacking side of a full backs role. Personally dont think hes as bad definsively as you've suggested, but is much better when hes going forward.

In terms of playing on the left, he filled a gap which was generated by the clubs poor recruitment. Theres not many full backs being asked to cover the opposite side, particularly not in the top leagues.

[hypochondriac]

36 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Could be a loan, as Dragan suggested we are looking at options to allow him to come back if we go up.

If Ramsdale leaves for Sunderland then I'll be pretty disappointed if it's a loan. We need to get or goalkeeping options sorted ASAP though as it's a really key poisition. 

Edited 3 hours ago by hypochondriac

[MarkSFC]

Maybe theres a loan swap with Ramsdale and Patterson?

[beatlesaint]

55 minutes ago, ant said:

Perhaps it's not the sort of thing you think about as a player, but would Ramsdale want to risk another relegation on his CV?

(Not that he wouldn't be in a similar position in 12 months if he stays with us and we have a decent season...)

It's probably daft, but I'd mind less if he goes to a solid mid-table Prem team rather than one closer to our level.

Would he be better at the bottom of the Premier League or the (hopefully) top end of the Championship in terms of England selection? 

[Matty's Caddy]

4 hours ago, Rebel said:

KWP's big problem is he can't really defend. He doesn't have the stature or physicality to cope with big forwards or high balls.  And his positional sense defensively is woeful.

He is great going forward in an attacking team that dominate the ball - and could play as an inverted full back or wing back for a team like that. But as a straight full back he's not in the elite category.  

Plus he's not really that good playing on the left - it reduces him to a one trick pony going forwards - cutting in and passing the ball inside.  And he was even worse defensively on the left.

If he could defend or was two footed and could really play on the left we would have easily sold him 2 years ago when we last got relegated for £25-30M or more but no one came close to offering that because of the holes in his game. I think the closest offer we got was £15M which the club thought was too little.  I think they made a mistake there - they should have accepted it and replaced him with a full back that was better at defending - but probably not so good going forwards.

He would probably be best as a wide right midfielder in a 'wingless wonders' team.

Poor defender, woeful in attack. Check the stats. Easy on the eye though.  I’ve been saying it for years

[leesaint88]

1 hour ago, MarkSFC said:

Maybe theres a loan swap with Ramsdale and Patterson?

That would be my thinking..

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, ant said:

Perhaps it's not the sort of thing you think about as a player, but would Ramsdale want to risk another relegation on his CV?

(Not that he wouldn't be in a similar position in 12 months if he stays with us and we have a decent season...)

It's probably daft, but I'd mind less if he goes to a solid mid-table Prem team rather than one closer to our level.

Would another relegation make any difference?

[SuperSAINT]

1 hour ago, MarkSFC said:

Maybe theres a loan swap with Ramsdale and Patterson?

I wonder if that’s ever happened before