Will Still

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

I don't know, but he deserves to be given a chance. I'm sick of modern football and managers being axed after a handful of games. 

How long do you give him? 

why does it matter if a manager who is not good enough is axed early on?

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How long do you give him? 

why does it matter if a manager who is not good enough is axed early on?

I'd give him half the season at least. 

I don't believe he's not good enough, as I've said there are improvements being made. We bring someone else in and we start the process all over again, and presumably they only get 10 games as well.

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I'd give him half the season at least. 

I don't believe he's not good enough, as I've said there are improvements being made. We bring someone else in and we start the process all over again, and presumably they only get 10 games as well.

There are little improvements being made when you compare the Wrexham game.

not nothing, but little. Remain wide open in the middle of the park, not really testing of the opposition keeper and horrible when faced against a big lump.

getting excited (as you did) over dominating Swansea was ridiculous. As will getting excited when we beat Sheffield Wednesday. 
 

we ain’t going up under this manager and at best, we may threaten the playoffs.

But half a season? Let’s see where we are come end of Dec. Wherever it is, I am sure plenty will justify another half season of this mess.

Edited Thursday at 08:14 by AlexLaw76

[Colinjb]

10 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I don't know, but he deserves to be given a chance. I'm sick of modern football and managers being axed after a handful of games. 

This for me.

I am sick to the back teeth with how we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot but I am seeing improvement in aspects of our play. We are a finisher shy of being good and we've not had a reliable chap to do that since Ings.

I say stick.

Edited Thursday at 08:16 by Colinjb

[danjosaint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Sounds like he's being influenced by 'noise' from outside.

He's the manager, he decides the tactics and picks the team.  Doesn't sound like he really knows what he's supposed to be doing which is concerning.

And didn't someone up top come out and say the data showed 3/5 is more effective 

[macca155]

If we keep on sacking managers, we'll end up like Watford. I doubt there is a messiah just waiting to be appointed. I can't think of anyone. It would be just another rinse and repeat.

He has to be given a chance to turn the corner, if he is capable of it. 

The next 4 games are an ideal opportunity. Fail that test and there will be a drama.

[Turkish]

If we sack Will Still before we win another game we would have had more managers than wins since the start of 2024/25 season 

for that incredible achievement alone I think he should be fired immediately 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

43 minutes ago, macca155 said:

If we keep on sacking managers, we'll end up like Watford. I doubt there is a messiah just waiting to be appointed. I can't think of anyone. It would be just another rinse and repeat.

He has to be given a chance to turn the corner, if he is capable of it. 

The next 4 games are an ideal opportunity. Fail that test and there will be a drama.

Watford are currently six places above us in the League. Just saying.

[RedArmy]

On 21/10/2025 at 22:58, saintant said:

Now go through our squad and list the big, powerful athletes that every decent side must have in abundance from Brentford to Liverpool. Look through their squads and then compare them to our physically weak players. We are still getting outfought all over the pitch and not winning our individual duels or battles. Last night was a classic example - Brentford totally overpowered West Ham and our two ex players were withdrawn at half time because they simply could not cope. We play some nice football but over 90 minutes we'll often get bullied out of games because we do not have anything like enough of the big strong players who make sure they win their individual battles.

Name our big powerful athletes the last time we got promoted.

It’s not 20 years ago any more. You can win this league with technical players, you just need someone to put the ball in the net and someone at the other end to stop it going in, which is what we are missing. 

[kitch]

14 hours ago, Southner said:

Full video if anyone's interested.

 

I noticed that too. Worrying!

[Willo of Whiteley]

Shea Charles has spoken highly of him

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There are little improvements being made when you compare the Wrexham game.

not nothing, but little. Remain wide open in the middle of the park, not really testing of the opposition keeper and horrible when faced against a big lump.

getting excited (as you did) over dominating Swansea was ridiculous. As will getting excited when we beat Sheffield Wednesday. 
 

we ain’t going up under this manager and at best, we may threaten the playoffs.

But half a season? Let’s see where we are come end of Dec. Wherever it is, I am sure plenty will justify another half season of this mess.

You're making out like I was shaking up the champagne and spraying it after the Swansea game - I wasn't. All I said is what I'm saying now, we are improving every game. 

[Osvaldorama]

Thing is, we can’t keep going through managers. 
 

We have to start building a cohesive team and strategy and chopping and changing won’t help. 
 

But if we lose to Blackburn, I don’t see how he can stay on. That would be a disaster. 

What a pickle. 

[SambaMaverick]

Shea Charles on Will Still: "He's coached a win at the weekend and coached a win on Tuesday, but we've just not been able to put it onto the pitch. We haven't scored our goals or kept it out. In my opinion, that's nothing to do with the manager, it's us on the pitch."

What a stupid and naive way to think

[Saint_clark]

3 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Shea Charles on Will Still: "He's coached a win at the weekend and coached a win on Tuesday, but we've just not been able to put it onto the pitch. We haven't scored our goals or kept it out. In my opinion, that's nothing to do with the manager, it's us on the pitch."

What a stupid and naive way to think

Yeah, not passing the buck and taking responsibility for your own failure. Ridiculous!

[Saint NL]

4 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

Shea Charles on Will Still: "He's coached a win at the weekend and coached a win on Tuesday, but we've just not been able to put it onto the pitch. We haven't scored our goals or kept it out. In my opinion, that's nothing to do with the manager, it's us on the pitch."

What a stupid and naive way to think

So if I asked Sydney Sweeney out on a date and she said "No, get away from me you ugly smelly freak", I actually coached myself into the date, just it was her fault she didn't accept?

[DT]

With the exact same players and Sean Dyche in charge we would be top of the league. Or Moyes. Or Lampard. Or Rohl. Or Pochettino. Or even Cooper. He is not good enough.

[notnowcato]

17 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

If we can find a manager who can do the following then Still can go - 

Turn McCarthy or Bazunu into a consistently competent keeper.

Turn Stephens into a decent defender

Extract THB’s head from his own arse and remind him he ain’t all that like he was 2 yrs ago.

Turn at least one of our mis-firing strikers into a goal machine.

Stop players missing from less than a yard out.

Stop players passing the ball around either backwards or square without getting anywhere.

Toughen them up and put a stop to the mental fragility that is prevalent throughout the club.

Stop the players making stupid mistakes.

Unite the club and fanbase.

 

Should be a simple task shouldn’t it?

Stop playing well for 20 minutes then looking like 11 strangers for the rest of the game. 

[notnowcato]

42 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

You're making out like I was shaking up the champagne and spraying it after the Swansea game - I wasn't. All I said is what I'm saying now, we are improving every game. 

Until we come under a bit of pressure during a game and it all falls apart. If we had a respected leader on the pitch I think the mentality raises. Adam Armstrong as captain…. fuck me! Good championship player but not captain material in a month of Sundays. 

[Baird of the land]

Honestly, hoping he'll be gone after the inevitable Blackburn loss/draw. Not ideal to be changing manager again, but when there's nothing positive about encumbent, sometimes that's what needs doing.

 

[notnowcato]

In Will’s defence I think he needs support. Some experienced DoF type to come in and guide him through the rest of the season, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that’s Spors role. 

[AlexLaw76]

56 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

You're making out like I was shaking up the champagne and spraying it after the Swansea game - I wasn't. All I said is what I'm saying now, we are improving every game. 

Not a great deal has changed from the Wrexham game

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

In Will’s defence I think he needs support. Some experienced DoF type to come in and guide him through the rest of the season, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that’s Spors role. 

Wasn't that meant to be paul trollope?

[Saint NL]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Wasn't that meant to be paul trollope?

That used to be a good Saturday night when I was younger

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

That used to be a good Saturday night when I was younger

Mccluskys?

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, danjosaint said:

And didn't someone up top come out and say the data showed 3/5 is more effective 

Respectfully, fuck the data.  An industry has been made in football by a load of charlatans over the effectiveness of data.

Phoney wankers now have an in on a game they've never played before, and stupid owners swallow it up.

Can we go back to experienced scouts going out in the pissing rain to actually watch players instead of laptop wankers vaping in a room with their fucking spreadsheets.

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

You're making out like I was shaking up the champagne and spraying it after the Swansea game - I wasn't. All I said is what I'm saying now, we are improving every game. 

Didn't see much improvement against Swansea or Bristol City.

I do concede that I have been a bit harsh on Still though.  Someone said earlier about giving him until the international break.  That's probably fair.  I don't see much changing though.  Mayne Spors will take him to Juventus.

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Wasn't that meant to be paul trollope?

He's assistant to Will isn't he?

[Willo of Whiteley]

Give him the season. I don’t think we’ll finish higher than tenth now.

We have more players out of contract in the summer and probably several who want to jump or wanted to jump ship.

The purge was always going to take a year or two.

[Saint_clark]

4 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Until we come under a bit of pressure during a game and it all falls apart. If we had a respected leader on the pitch I think the mentality raises. Adam Armstrong as captain…. fuck me! Good championship player but not captain material in a month of Sundays. 

Right, and changing the manager will make a leader suddenly appear out of nowhere in the team? 

[sfc4prem]

6 hours ago, Saint NL said:

So if I asked Sydney Sweeney out on a date and she said "No, get away from me you ugly smelly freak", I actually coached myself into the date, just it was her fault she didn't accept?

Sorry, pal, but that's a fucking terrible analogy.

[Harry_SFC]

I think we are playing better in general than we were at the start of the season but the stupid mistakes remain. Is that Stills fault? Probably not but the responsibility lies with the manager. 

[sotonjoe]

54 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

Sorry, pal, but that's a fucking terrible analogy.

That's what she said

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 hours ago, notnowcato said:

In Will’s defence I think he needs support. Some experienced DoF type to come in and guide him through the rest of the season, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that’s Spors role. 

We’re nearly there, my excuses bingo card is almost full. All we need is someone to propose a specialist defensive coach, and I’m calling house . 

[IFHP]

It’s strange those fans that backed still after 4 or 5 games said give him 10 games before making a decision.

Now it’s give him half a season to see if he can get it right.

We aren’t going up automatically, a play off challenge is looking more and more difficult with Still in charge.

Dragan and the loons will sack him this season, then just get the next appointment wrong again.

Dragan and his crazy mates are the reason we keep sacking managers, and it’s the reason we have become a “Watford” .

 

 

 

 

[BarberSaint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re nearly there, my excuses bingo card is almost full. All we need is someone to propose a specialist defensive coach, and I’m calling house . 

Could we not get in a specialist coach?

 

For the defence and all?

[Midfield_General]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

Mccluskys?

Followed by New York New York

‘The club that never sleeps’

That shut at 1 

[macca155]

10 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Watford are currently six places above us in the League. Just saying.

Most teams are above us in fairness. I am hoping for higher ambitions

[Turkish]

32 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Followed by New York New York

‘The club that never sleeps’

That shut at 1 

Depends if you were finger blasting a bird out the back for 3 hours after 

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re nearly there, my excuses bingo card is almost full. All we need is someone to propose a specialist defensive coach, and I’m calling house . 

What do you plan to tell Alfie?

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

We’re nearly there, my excuses bingo card is almost full. All we need is someone to propose a specialist defensive coach, and I’m calling house . 

Did i miss get Lambert or Beattie in to teach the strikers how to finish?

[saintant]

11 hours ago, RedArmy said:

Name our big powerful athletes the last time we got promoted.

It’s not 20 years ago any more. You can win this league with technical players, you just need someone to put the ball in the net and someone at the other end to stop it going in, which is what we are missing. 

The lack of any big powerful athletes in our promoted side led to the humiliation in the Premier League. We need them now to help us launch a promotion attempt (probably too late) but, if and when we go up, they'll certainly be needed unless we want more of the humiliation and embarrassing performances against the elites.

[saintant]

9 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Respectfully, fuck the data.  An industry has been made in football by a load of charlatans over the effectiveness of data.

Phoney wankers now have an in on a game they've never played before, and stupid owners swallow it up.

Can we go back to experienced scouts going out in the pissing rain to actually watch players instead of laptop wankers vaping in a room with their fucking spreadsheets.

Unfortunately for us SR are prime examples and they came in under the mantra of data driven decision making. It's going to get worse with these charlatans running things.

[Mboto Gorge]

36 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Did i miss get Lambert or Beattie in to teach the strikers how to finish?

This is right up there along with a time when Koeman was going through a rough patch of results and someone suggested we “go cap in hand to Nigel”

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, saintant said:

The lack of any big powerful athletes in our promoted side led to the humiliation in the Premier League. We need them now to help us launch a promotion attempt (probably too late) but, if and when we go up, they'll certainly be needed unless we want more of the humiliation and embarrassing performances against the elites.

I'm not sure what your preoccupation with 'big, powerful athletes' stems from but it hasn't been our problem this season, nor was it in either of the two relegations. We got relegated because our players were terrible and we're 18th now because Still has no idea how to get the best out of the squad he asked for.

Quarshie is 6'5", Wood is 6'2", so are THB and Charles and we've a few other players North of 6ft. I don't know what collection of large, muscular men you had in mind but the one we've got is sufficient.

[saintant]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm not sure what your preoccupation with 'big, powerful athletes' stems from but it hasn't been our problem this season, nor was it in either of the two relegations. We got relegated because our players were terrible and we're 18th now because Still has no idea how to get the best out of the squad he asked for.

Quarshie is 6'5", Wood is 6'2", so are THB and Charles and we've a few other players North of 6ft. I don't know what collection of large, muscular men you had in mind but the one we've got is sufficient.

Go watch Brentford, Bournemouth and Palace plus Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc You list our centre backs but you need these powerhouses in midfield, on the flanks and up front. Go watch some games with teams who get the blend right and if you think we're even coming close you're wearing your red and white tinted specs.

[Doctoroncall]

Troy Deeney to sign

[St. Ciervo]

I am curious to see how Rohl gets on at Rangers. I predict that Martin's management style leaves a hangover. Having your best friend as your manager with plentiful days of rest each week probably seems great. Sets the stage for failure for the next guy demanding "heavy metal" football. Swansea sucks still. We suck "still". Rangers have a long road ahead of them.

[Lord Duckhunter]

14 hours ago, saintant said:

Go watch Brentford, Bournemouth and Palace plus Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc You list our centre backs but you need these powerhouses in midfield, on the flanks and up front. Go watch some games with teams who get the blend right and if you think we're even coming close you're wearing your red and white tinted specs.

Problem we’ve had for years, too many Son in Laws, not enough fucking pirates. I think it was Roy Keane who first described soft arsed nice boys as SiL’s, so it’s fitting the bloke that epitomises our failings, is fucking his…

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Problem we’ve had for years, too many Son in Laws, not enough fucking pirates. I think it was Roy Keane who first described soft arsed nice boys as SiL’s, so it’s fitting the bloke that epitomises our failings, is fucking his daughter.

Fixed it for you