New Manager Debate (Merged)

[Willo of Whiteley]

5 hours ago, trousers said:

Any chance of applying your expertise in football management to predicting where certain managers will end up...?

 

Mystic Willo 😂

At least my betting on Saints games has seen a bit of profit over recent years 💷

The most predictable team out there.

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Mystic Willo 😂

At least my betting on Saints games has seen a bit of profit over recent years 💷

The most predictable team out there.

Reminds me of that chap from Glasgow (or was it Bournemouth?) that used to post on here a while back... Before your time Willo, so you won't remember him, but he used to like an insurance bet too....

[Willo of Whiteley]

Just now, trousers said:

Reminds me of that chap from Glasgow (or was it Bournemouth?) that used to post on here a while back... Before your time Willo, so you won't remember him, but he used to like an insurance bet too....

last year was so straight forward, minimum of three goals a game for the most part. Or for the opposition to score the next goal etc 😅

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

A new manager bounce? That's better than we've had for two years. Get him in immediately! 

We don’t get new manager bounces, remember.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We don’t get new manager bounces, remember.

Not even WGS who worked out superbly did really. Drew with Ipswich 3-3 and then a few defeats at Fulham and elsewhere. The first SMS win v Charlton turned the corner and Spurs Boxing Day win, albeit scrappy, pulled us out of the bottom three and then Chelsea hammered at Stamford Bridge.

Probably only Ralph December 2018 after a defeat first up at Cardiff. Poch improved us but the results took a few games to come through. Adkins won a huge streak of games but poor run to start with. 

Edited Monday at 21:52 by Gloucester Saint

[Willo of Whiteley]

How has this thread not been closed yet 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[CamSaint]

Rodgers available: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxkezdp9z5o

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, CamSaint said:

Rodgers available: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czxkezdp9z5o

Although I can't stand the bloke he is a decent manager. Don't know if he's attainable or not but if he is then it seems a no brainer to me. 

[Badger]

26 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not even WGS who worked out superbly did really. Drew with Ipswich 3-3 and then a few defeats at Fulham and elsewhere. The first SMS win v Charlton turned the corner and Spurs Boxing Day win, albeit scrappy, pulled us out of the bottom three and then Chelsea hammered at Stamford Bridge.

Probably only Ralph December 2018 after a defeat first up at Cardiff. Poch improved us but the results took a few games to come through. Adkins won a huge streak of games but poor run to start with. 

Seem to remember we divebombed for a few games when Burley came in (after the thought we’d made a master signing).

But credit where it’s due we had an 89 minute new manager bounce with ‘Arry. Shame it went down the pan between then and the 91st minute or whatever it was. And then for a few weeks after. 

[Mboto Gorge]

Rather have Alexander O’Neill. With O’Neill all we’d wanna do is criticise.

[BarberSaint]

He's shit.

[Badger]

7 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Although I can't stand the bloke he is a decent manager. Don't know if he's attainable or not but if he is then it seems a no brainer to me. 

Don’t be daft. He won’t be attainable for us,and SR won’t be interested as he knows more about football than Rasmus ever will. And that would never do. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

23 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

He's shit.

Will fit in with us just fine then

[Nordic Saint]

He had a win rate of 29% at Bournemouth, which, although not good enough for them, is, by our standards, good. It means we should expect more than 4 wins over the next 50 games if he is in charge. We can't ask for more than that, can we?

[Saint86]

I'm yet to see a serious suggestion who I'd confidently say would do a better job that Challinor 🙃

[Saint Fan CaM]

20 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I'm yet to see a serious suggestion who I'd confidently say would do a better job than Still 🙃

Fixed it for you. 😉😬

[Dr. Kucho]

37 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I'm yet to see a serious suggestion who I'd confidently say would do a better job that Challinor 🙃

I’ll be honest that prior to seeing his name mentioned on here, I had never heard of Challinor. Had to look up online about him and what he has done at Stockport is amazing. 

However, if the board decides to sack Still, I don’t think Challinor is the right replacement. I think we need someone with experience in the Championship and possibly the Premier League. We are in free fall and need someone who can stop that and build the foundations for a fresh push to the Premier League. Someone who’s seen it, been around for a while and will get the respect from the players instantly. 

Challinor, Rosenior etc are all great prospects and will likely do well. Still included. But for a young manager to join us now could be very damaging for their career. We are becoming a managers graveyard if we continue like this. 
 

 

[SW11_Saint]

Brendan Rogers is available? 🤔

Don’t particularly like him as a personality, but he knows how to develop a winning formula. 

[Saint Billy]

Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton have got it right and yet we continually fuck it up. I don't even blame Still, I blame the idiots that picked him.

[Farmer Saint]

41 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Brendan Rogers is available? 🤔

Don’t particularly like him as a personality, but he knows how to develop a winning formula. 

Yup, I'd go for him. Tbh I'd go for nearly anyone ATM.

[Bakovnetski]

8 hours ago, Dr. Kucho said:

I’ll be honest that prior to seeing his name mentioned on here, I had never heard of Challinor. Had to look up online about him and what he has done at Stockport is amazing. 

However, if the board decides to sack Still, I don’t think Challinor is the right replacement. I think we need someone with experience in the Championship and possibly the Premier League. We are in free fall and need someone who can stop that and build the foundations for a fresh push to the Premier League. Someone who’s seen it, been around for a while and will get the respect from the players instantly. 

Challinor, Rosenior etc are all great prospects and will likely do well. Still included. But for a young manager to join us now could be very damaging for their career. We are becoming a managers graveyard if we continue like this. 
 

 

Long throw-in training would be top dollar 

[Sheaf Saint]

30 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

Long throw-in training would be top dollar 

And not only that, when you watch Stockport you can see that he has coached a very effective way of defending against them as well.

Edited 20 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

Brendan Rogers is available? 🤔

Don’t particularly like him as a personality, but he knows how to develop a winning formula. 

This.

Get it done Dragan.

[BARCELONASAINT]

Honestly if we signed Brendan Rogers i would be done with this club, i absolutely fucking hate the bloke after the snide comments he made about our club when he was Liverpool manager.

Has anybody read the Celtic club statement calling out BR to be a lying little rat!

[Wade Garrett]

Would like Carrick to get the job.  Can’t stand Rogers, complete wanker.

[CheshireSaint]

2 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Honestly if we signed Brendan Rogers i would be done with this club, i absolutely fucking hate the bloke after the snide comments he made about our club when he was Liverpool manager.

Has anybody read the Celtic club statement calling out BR to be a lying little rat!

If I recall, he was disparaging against the clubs willingness to push on, when we were in and around the top 4. His comments were snide at the time, but in hindsight, they were very on point. I cannot stand the man either, if he was made of chocolate, he'd eat himself. However, it isn't about that. Could he do a better job than Still? Could he pushback against Rasmus and Co.? Could he get us up the table and secure a play off spot at least? If the answer is yes to all three, he would be a more than obvious choice.  

[trousers]

47 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

And not only that, when you watch Stockport you can see that he has coached a very effective way of defending against them as well.

I watched the second half, and highlights of the first, and was suitably impressed. 

I did however get a bit of a 'spiritual home' vibe from him in the post-match interview, which made me think of those managers that do really well when in a relative comfort zone but then struggle when they move on to other clubs...

And as others have pointed out, coming to a basket case of a club (as we are at the moment) could ruin him!

Edited 19 hours ago by trousers

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Would like Carrick to get the job.  Can’t stand Rogers, complete wanker.

Out of all the possible names mentioned, he would be my choice as well. 

[Cabrone]

Oh go on, you know you want to....

[trousers]

I thought Carrick was a sideways / backwards possession type of manager? For those advocating Carrack, why would you prefer that to the alternative high-intensity / pressing approach to the game? (Which we were promised with Still of course but is yet to materialise).

Edited 19 hours ago by trousers

[Jack]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

I thought Carrick was a sideways / backwards possession type of manager? For those advocating Carrack, why would you prefer that to the alternative high-intensity / pressing approach to the game? (Which we were promised with Still of course but is yet to materialise).

I might be wrong but I think people just want a manager who doesn’t fail to win every week

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, Jack said:

I might be wrong but I think people just want a manager who doesn’t fail to win every week

Ha, fair point

[Sheaf Saint]

44 minutes ago, trousers said:

I watched the second half, and highlights of the first, and was suitably impressed. 

I did however get a bit of a 'spiritual home' vibe from him in the post-match interview, which made me think of those managers that do really well when in a relative comfort zone but then struggle when they move on to other clubs...

And as others have pointed out, coming to a basket case of a club (as we are at the moment) could ruin him!

Worth also pointing out here that he's got them top of the league playing with 3 CBs, so Rasmus would love that.

[Hussar Saint]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Would like Carrick to get the job.  Can’t stand Rogers, complete wanker.

What experience has Carrick got over Rogers?

I think this is half the problem with our fanbase, many seem to have these really snobby views about who fits the profile to be a Saints manager. It's obvious that we would benefit from a standard no nonsense, experienced Championship manager, yet far too many of our fans want hipster managers who look great in a pair of chinos and white trainers, but insist on playing tippy tappy shitball against Championship sloggers. 

We need to drop the snobbery, accept that we're in a real mess and bring someone in who's going to kick the players arses and not accept any bullshit. 

[leesaint88]

There isn't a huge amount of talent out there available at the moment, but my main concern would be a new manager who tries to implement a totally new playing style. I remember some comments from players regarding last year and also the 22/23 season where there was so much chop and change it caused bigger problems with continuity. 

Still is and will be a good manager, but he arrived at the wrong time and thus this is the position we're in. I can't see anyone else coming in and really changing it, especially if the rumours of certain players stinking the place out is true. 

[Hopper]

2 minutes ago, leesaint88 said:

There isn't a huge amount of talent out there available at the moment, but my main concern would be a new manager who tries to implement a totally new playing style. I remember some comments from players regarding last year and also the 22/23 season where there was so much chop and change it caused bigger problems with continuity. 

Still is and will be a good manager, but he arrived at the wrong time and thus this is the position we're in. I can't see anyone else coming in and really changing it, especially if the rumours of certain players stinking the place out is true. 

And worryingly Still has actually shown the balls to drop players without hesitation.

I'm willing to give him a bit more time as I think we do need stability. But he's running out of it and if we put in a poor result against Preston his head is going to be called for.

[Jack]

3 minutes ago, Hussar Saint said:

What experience has Carrick got over Rogers?

I think this is half the problem with our fanbase, many seem to have these really snobby views about who fits the profile to be a Saints manager. It's obvious that we would benefit from a standard no nonsense, experienced Championship manager, yet far too many of our fans want hipster managers who look great in a pair of chinos and white trainers, but insist on playing tippy tappy shitball against Championship sloggers. 

We need to drop the snobbery, accept that we're in a real mess and bring someone in who's going to kick the players arses and not accept any bullshit. 

I don’t think it’s snobbery to not want a complete prick as your manager. Nathan Jones is a complete prick but is doing a great job at this level, would you want him? 
 

We’ve got too many pricks at this club already, Rodgers is a prick, a load of our recent managers were pricks, we don’t need more. I don’t think Still is a prick and that’s why people were desperate for him to succeed, but sadly he’s just terrible. 

[Suhari]

10 minutes ago, leesaint88 said:

There isn't a huge amount of talent out there available at the moment, but my main concern would be a new manager who tries to implement a totally new playing style. I remember some comments from players regarding last year and also the 22/23 season where there was so much chop and change it caused bigger problems with continuity. 

Still is and will be a good manager, but he arrived at the wrong time and thus this is the position we're in. I can't see anyone else coming in and really changing it, especially if the rumours of certain players stinking the place out is true. 

Presumably these won't be players involved in the match day squad?

[Hussar Saint]

1 minute ago, Jack said:

I don’t think it’s snobbery to not want a complete prick as your manager. Nathan Jones is a complete prick but is doing a great job at this level, would you want him? 
 

We’ve got too many pricks at this club already, Rodgers is a prick, a load of our recent managers were pricks, we don’t need more. I don’t think Still is a prick and that’s why people were desperate for him to succeed, but sadly he’s just terrible. 

Many of the worlds best football managers could be deemed as 'pricks' so I don't really care about the managers personality, I care only about results. If Nathan Jones was getting wins every week, nobody would have given much of a toss about his ridiculous comments.......obviously I wouldn't want him back now.

 

[franniesTache]

Gary O'Neil can fuck off, dirty skate bastard. Saying that we all know if they do sack Still (and i'm not convinced they will) it won't be anyone any of us have mentioned here, and definitely won't be someone who actually knows the championship. It'll be another "leftfield" appointment based on data and stats as they try and look clever but are actually fucking dinlows.

[Wade Garrett]

14 minutes ago, Hussar Saint said:

What experience has Carrick got over Rogers?

I think this is half the problem with our fanbase, many seem to have these really snobby views about who fits the profile to be a Saints manager. It's obvious that we would benefit from a standard no nonsense, experienced Championship manager, yet far too many of our fans want hipster managers who look great in a pair of chinos and white trainers, but insist on playing tippy tappy shitball against Championship sloggers. 

We need to drop the snobbery, accept that we're in a real mess and bring someone in who's going to kick the players arses and not accept any bullshit. 

Carrick doesn’t wear skinny jeans, vape, have a really wanky beard, walk round with a laptop or quote post shot xG stats, and he had a stellar playing career.  Not hipster at all.

But thanks for telling me what my problem is.  Fucking knob.

[leesaint88]

28 minutes ago, Hopper said:

And worryingly Still has actually shown the balls to drop players without hesitation.

I'm willing to give him a bit more time as I think we do need stability. But he's running out of it and if we put in a poor result against Preston his head is going to be called for.

Likewise. Although had we trimmed the squad down like he wanted, then I don't think we would be in the same position.

[leesaint88]

22 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Presumably these won't be players involved in the match day squad?

I'd imagine so. From the outside looking in it feels like a divided dressing room at the moment and I think Still is at a loss in terms of how to control it. Maybe binning some off to the U23's would be an option, but I suppose those certain individuals also have a bit of sway over the rest of the squad. Thus backing up the rumours of players not really giving a toss about the results, probably because mates aren't involved in the starting XI or squad.

[CamSaint]

The problem is, appointing a new manager is always a massive gamble for any club (look at Forest this season). Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't irrespective of the 'new manager's' background.

There's a really interesting article on the BBC today about Sunderland's manager, LeBris (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy7envzn722o). There are quite a few parallels with Still, although LeBris had played some professional football. But he was hired by Sunderland on the back of leaving Lorient 'by mutual consent' following their relegation from Ligue 1. He had no Championship experience, or any experience of managing in the UK, but came in and did a brilliant job, getting Sunderland firing from the get go in the Championship last season and doing really well so far in the PL.

I'm sure everyone on here would have never had heard of him before (I certainly hadn't), but Sunderland took a chance on him and it worked. Saints took a chance on Still and it certainly hasn't worked so far and it is hard to see any way forward with him. However, left field appointments are not always useless!

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

The problem is, appointing a new manager is always a massive gamble for any club (look at Forest this season). Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't irrespective of the 'new manager's' background.

There's a really interesting article on the BBC today about Sunderland's manager, LeBris (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy7envzn722o). There are quite a few parallels with Still, although LeBris had played some professional football. But he was hired by Sunderland on the back of leaving Lorient 'by mutual consent' following their relegation from Ligue 1. He had no Championship experience, or any experience of managing in the UK, but came in and did a brilliant job, getting Sunderland firing from the get go in the Championship last season and doing really well so far in the PL.

I'm sure everyone on here would have never had heard of him before (I certainly hadn't), but Sunderland took a chance on him and it worked. Saints took a chance on Still and it certainly hasn't worked so far and it is hard to see any way forward with him. However, left field appointments are not always useless!

 

 

Sunderland side-stepped Still, I believe 

[skintsaint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Sunderland side-stepped Still, I believe 

Other way round, Still rejected Sunderland.

[RedWillie]

Add in some sensible recruitment and there you have it.

[Hussar Saint]

30 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Carrick doesn’t wear skinny jeans, vape, have a really wanky beard, walk round with a laptop or quote post shot xG stats, and he had a stellar playing career.  Not hipster at all.

But thanks for telling me what my problem is.  Fucking knob.

Calm yourself down precious, I asked what experience he has over Rogers. For the record, Wayne Rooney had a stellar playing career.....LOL!!

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Other way round, Still rejected Sunderland.

Lucky escape

https://eflanalysis.com/news/reason-will-stills-sunderland-move-fell-through-as-southampton-prepare-for-championship-promotion-push/

[ally_uk]

Are we seriously looking at recruiting another manager ? 

Or is this just paper talk, Gary O'neil 🤣.... I'd rather stick with Still and back him properly in Jan with a striker....