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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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3 minutes ago, trousers said:

So Spors ducks interviews with Journos but is happy to meet with a fan group that most people haven't heard of and who seemingly didn't seek input from the fan base at large ahead of said meeting. Assume they'll be publish full minutes from this meeting? And what's the process for selecting member of this fan group? 

All very cloak and dagger... 

 

Fans Advisory Board?

Well I didn’t vote for them

trousers

trousers

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They had invites for it at the fans forum.

Fair enough, but shouldn't representatives of the fan base seek input from said fans ahead of such meetings? If only we had something like the internet where such feedback could be solicited....

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Fair enough, but shouldn't representatives of the fan base seek input from said fans ahead of such meetings? If only we had something like the internet where such feedback could be solicited....

Aren't we known as 'The Lunatic Fringe' ?

I'd personally stick Wade Garett on that advisory board.

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Chez

Chez

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7 minutes ago, trousers said:

Fair enough, but shouldn't representatives of the fan base seek input from said fans ahead of such meetings? If only we had something like the internet where such feedback could be solicited....

Should fans ask fans what fans want? Can't they just say what they want as they are fans? With eleven of them, that seems like a decent number of potential different viewpoints.

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Aren't we known as 'The Lunatic Fringe' ?

I'd personally stick Wade Garett on that advisory board.

I’d quite like to see the members of Total Saints Podcast on there.

They're all very level headed, fair in criticism and not “reactive” like a lot on social media.

Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Does this fan advisory board report back to the clubs fan base anywhere or is it just a hush hush over a cup of tea and a chocolate digestive?

Sounds like the  ‘loose lips sink ships’ cult were there.

Jack

Jack

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Well this Eckert chap isn’t the answer, at least we’ve worked that out in double quick time. SR better see that too 

Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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21 minutes ago, LocationRemot3 said:

He's got solid championship pedigree. Based on your post history you wouldn't be interested in anyone we get you moaner. 

Yeah I can’t believe anyone who supports this club would have a pattern of consistently moaning, when we’ve won 4 games in the last 18 months. The nerve of it. Keep happily clapping away guys, that’s the spirit.

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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33 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Have you written off the game tonight already?

Realist are expecting another shit show, what should make us think any different?

 

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Judging by the turgid shit I’m currently watching, we need a strong manager in asap.

Someone strong enough and with enough gravitas to sort the dressing room out.  Personally, I would be happy with Gerrard or Carrick.  Robins or Lampard would be great but they ain’t coming here.  Please not another experiment.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Judging by the turgid shit I’m currently watching, we need a strong manager in asap.

Someone strong enough and with enough gravitas to sort the dressing room out.  Personally, I would be happy with Gerrard or Carrick.  Robins or Lampard would be great but they ain’t coming here.  Please not another experiment.

Absolutely, we're long past the 'project' phase at this point. The entire football club is broken and it needs leadership at all levels, but a key part is a manager who can garner respect immediately and call out the bollocks, not more 'yes' men who are happy to go with the status-quo.

Will SR allow that though, as they seem to want to push their dictact on any manager they appoint. And you'll never get anyone with any gravitas coming with that behind them.

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Saint86

Saint86

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6 hours ago, LegalEagle said:

I’m no advocate for these owners but can I just point out that they are not all bad. They have been prepared to spend decent levels of cash - last time and this time in the Championship - compared to other teams at this level. The problem has been that most of it has been spent on shite players and paying off shite managers. They cannot be accused of not putting their hands in their pockets.

And yet they are worse than gao / semmens who had no pot to piss in. That's how bad they are...

Jack

Jack

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Whoever it is needs to keep Bazunu, Stephens, THB and Manning as far away from the starting XI as possible. And ditch the back 5. And make Scienza captain 

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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Just now, Jack said:

Whoever it is needs to keep Bazunu, Stephens, THB and Manning as far away from the starting XI as possible. And ditch the back 5. And make Scienza captain 

Those are the players that got the last manager the sack, so whoever comes in wont be risking their job by upsetting the clique again.

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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59 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Absolutely, we're long past the 'project' phase at this point. The entire football club is broken and it needs leadership at all levels, but a key part is a manager who can garner respect immediately and call out the bollocks, not more 'yes' men who are happy to go with the status-quo.

Will SR allow that though, as they seem to want to push their dictact on any manager they appoint. And you'll never get anyone with any gravitas coming with that behind them.

Spot on there.  

Jack

Jack

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6 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Those are the players that got the last manager the sack, so whoever comes in wont be risking their job by upsetting the clique again.

We need to remove that clique asap to have any chance of making progress as a club

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aintforever

aintforever

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Absolutely, we're long past the 'project' phase at this point. The entire football club is broken and it needs leadership at all levels, but a key part is a manager who can garner respect immediately and call out the bollocks, not more 'yes' men who are happy to go with the status-quo.

Will SR allow that though, as they seem to want to push their dictact on any manager they appoint. And you'll never get anyone with any gravitas coming with that behind them.

Spot on. I’m just hoping that the penny has finally dropped for Dragon and he can now see what a bunch of frauds they all are.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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8 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

No idea who the fruitloop is on the radio, but le tissier has already done the 'gee up' and been around staplewood a number of times in recent months.

 

That explains the squad's lack of energy. MLT will have been telling him that the aliens have poisoned the water and the Illuminati have put mind control drugs in the food. 

We'll not win many games, but will be a key part in the resistance movement. Cheers Matt!

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Jack

Jack

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8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Have you written off the game tonight already?

I’ll write off any manager that starts Bazunu, our new winger at right back, and a back 5 including Stephens and Manning, even if it produces a lucky win. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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25 minutes ago, Jack said:

I’ll write off any manager that starts Bazunu, our new winger at right back, and a back 5 including Stephens and Manning, even if it produces a lucky win. 

It's either Bazunu or McCarthy. 

 

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qwertyell

qwertyell

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20 minutes ago, Jack said:

I’ll write off any manager that starts Bazunu, our new winger at right back, and a back 5 including Stephens and Manning, even if it produces a lucky win. 

You don't think there were mitigating circumstances for some of the selection decisions? Like, for example, there being no other credible options down the left than Manning, due to Welington being suspended and Jelert and Fraser injured.

Playing Fellows at RWB isn't ideal, but the only alternative is Roerslev who gives nothing going forward (and not much going backwards, frankly). 

Armstrong up front never works, but everyone else is injured or American. So what are you going to do? Someone's got to play there.

Bazunu over McCarthy is just a coin flip between a shit keeper who is okay with his feet and a shit keeper who isn't. Makes no real difference. 

I don't believe anyone seriously thought the new interim coach was about to spring a tactical revolution after working with the squad for two days. Sticking with broadly the same structure that they've been used to for months is a perfectly pragmatic short term approach: we need points coming in while the board figure out their next masterstroke appointment that will definitely herald the return of the good times.

To that end, Tonda got the job done, with an unbalanced squad riddled with injuries and their confidence on the floor. What's the point in bashing him for that? What else were you expecting?

 

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Jack

Jack

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22 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

You don't think there were mitigating circumstances for some of the selection decisions? Like, for example, there being no other credible options down the left than Manning, due to Welington being suspended and Jelert and Fraser injured.

Playing Fellows at RWB isn't ideal, but the only alternative is Roerslev who gives nothing going forward (and not much going backwards, frankly). 

Armstrong up front never works, but everyone else is injured or American. So what are you going to do? Someone's got to play there.

Bazunu over McCarthy is just a coin flip between a shit keeper who is okay with his feet and a shit keeper who isn't. Makes no real difference. 

I don't believe anyone seriously thought the new interim coach was about to spring a tactical revolution after working with the squad for two days. Sticking with broadly the same structure that they've been used to for months is a perfectly pragmatic short term approach: we need points coming in while the board figure out their next masterstroke appointment that will definitely herald the return of the good times.

To that end, Tonda got the job done, with an unbalanced squad riddled with injuries and their confidence on the floor. What's the point in bashing him for that? What else were you expecting?

 

Bazunu is horrendous. I don’t see what he’s done to deserve a start, or what McCarthy has done to get dropped. McCarthy is a far better goalkeeper, he commands his area and sometimes stops shots. 
 

We’ve been proving every week that 5 at the back is a load of shit, we have no control in midfield. Playing Manning at LWB is worse than as a traditional LB, as he’s got no pace in either direction. Playing Fellows as a RWB is no good because he isn’t one. Roerslev is nothing special but is fine as a RB. Playing Stephens is no good because he’s shit. We’ve persevered with a shit formation using players out of position and who are not suited to it. 

These are professional footballers who will be no strangers to playing as a back 4, Still even reverted to it a few times recently after we threw games playing with a 5 and being awful. I just wanted to see round pegs in round holes and not playing an extra rubbish defender, just to fit him into a system that doesn’t work, just because the last failed manager played it sometimes. 
 

Agreed, Armstrong can’t do it up there on his own. It’s why I’d much prefer to see a sensible formation where you can get 4 attacking players up the pitch in their normal positions - Armstrong, Scienza, Fellows, Azaz/Robinson.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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1 hour ago, Jack said:

Bazunu is horrendous. I don’t see what he’s done to deserve a start, or what McCarthy has done to get dropped. McCarthy is a far better goalkeeper, he commands his area and sometimes stops shots. 

That is just blind prejudice. They're just differently not very good but Bazunu edges it for me.

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qwertyell

qwertyell

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40 minutes ago, Jack said:

Bazunu is horrendous. I don’t see what he’s done to deserve a start, or what McCarthy has done to get dropped

Bazunu played very well for Tonda in the most recent u21 game Vs Real Madrid. Perhaps he remembered that.

 

40 minutes ago, Jack said:

We’ve been proving every week that 5 at the back is a load of shit, we have no control in midfield

From Hasenhuttl's final season, where he generally favoured his 4-2-2-2 playbook - a system aped by Selles when he took over - to Russell Martin's 4-2-3-1 which became 3-5-2 when things weren't going well, to whatever the hell Juric was up to, and onto Will Still who played a back four and a back three, I think it's fair to say we've given a few systems a good shake over the last three years and found there's no such thing as the perfect solution when the common failing thread has been the dismal players at our disposal. 

 

40 minutes ago, Jack said:

Playing Manning at LWB is worse than as a traditional LB, as he’s got no pace in either direction.

Fair comment. But you haven't said who should be playing there given that everyone else is injured or suspended. Are we just supposed to magic players out of thin air?

 

40 minutes ago, Jack said:

Armstrong can’t do it up there on his own. It’s why I’d much prefer to see a sensible formation where you can get 4 attacking players up the pitch in their normal positions - Armstrong, Scienza, Fellows, Azaz/Robinson.

And how do you sensibly configure that quartet into their normal positions without ending up with Armstrong as the lone striker?

We won a game. It's not much to celebrate in the grand scheme of things, but a weird thing to seem upset about. 

They frown on that sort of thing on the Fans Advisory Board. 

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That is just blind prejudice. They're just differently not very good but Bazunu edges it for me.

Agree, McCarthy is just as weak as Bazunu. Neither commands their box at all. 

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coalman

coalman

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3 hours ago, qwertyell said:

You don't think there were mitigating circumstances for some of the selection decisions? Like, for example, there being no other credible options down the left than Manning, due to Welington being suspended and Jelert and Fraser injured.

Playing Fellows at RWB isn't ideal, but the only alternative is Roerslev who gives nothing going forward (and not much going backwards, frankly). 

Armstrong up front never works, but everyone else is injured or American. So what are you going to do? Someone's got to play there.

Bazunu over McCarthy is just a coin flip between a shit keeper who is okay with his feet and a shit keeper who isn't. Makes no real difference. 

I don't believe anyone seriously thought the new interim coach was about to spring a tactical revolution after working with the squad for two days. Sticking with broadly the same structure that they've been used to for months is a perfectly pragmatic short term approach: we need points coming in while the board figure out their next masterstroke appointment that will definitely herald the return of the good times.

To that end, Tonda got the job done, with an unbalanced squad riddled with injuries and their confidence on the floor. What's the point in bashing him for that? What else were you expecting?

 

Surely sticking with the same structure that has proven incapable of bringing in points is some form of madness? I get that Tonda had no time to make significant changes but it was telling that the rotten core of the team were back in business. QPR can rightly feel they should've walked away with 3 points there.

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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3 hours ago, qwertyell said:

Bazunu played very well for Tonda in the most recent u21 game Vs Real Madrid. Perhaps he remembered that.

 

From Hasenhuttl's final season, where he generally favoured his 4-2-2-2 playbook - a system aped by Selles when he took over - to Russell Martin's 4-2-3-1 which became 3-5-2 when things weren't going well, to whatever the hell Juric was up to, and onto Will Still who played a back four and a back three, I think it's fair to say we've given a few systems a good shake over the last three years and found there's no such thing as the perfect solution when the common failing thread has been the dismal players at our disposal. 

 

Fair comment. But you haven't said who should be playing there given that everyone else is injured or suspended. Are we just supposed to magic players out of thin air?

 

And how do you sensibly configure that quartet into their normal positions without ending up with Armstrong as the lone striker?

We won a game. It's not much to celebrate in the grand scheme of things, but a weird thing to seem upset about. 

They frown on that sort of thing on the Fans Advisory Board. 

Pretty level headed post all round.

Howpfully that puts to bed the bullshit of “SR are telling them how to play”.

And is for the Manning comment; it’s remarkably similar to the muppets that wanted Will Still out and then they say something along the lines of “I reckon we should go for Jurgen Klopp”. 😂

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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3 hours ago, qwertyell said:

Fair comment. But you haven't said who should be playing there given that everyone else is injured or suspended. Are we just supposed to magic players out of thin air?

The sensible thing to do would be to revert to a back four and play Stephens at LB, where he has played in the past to an OK degree. At least he would try and occasionally stop a cross, unlike Manning.

goodymatt

goodymatt

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I don’t think Eckert is a real contender, just that we have confidence in him to hold the fort whilst we bide our time and make our decision. We have bottom of the league in administration this weekend and then don’t play again for 2 weeks.

Ideally we get the next man in to make the most of that international break with the players that aren’t called up. There isn’t really an obvious candidate, which is concerning. Rohl should have been the man.

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EBS1980

EBS1980

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Whoever comes in the biggest issue they will have there realistically there is 12 league games before we will have an option to get a forward in. (take us to Mon 5th Jan)


They have to find a fix this as we can’t continue with Arma as the central forward, it just doesn’t work.

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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37 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Pretty level headed post all round.

Howpfully that puts to bed the bullshit of “SR are telling them how to play”.

And is for the Manning comment; it’s remarkably similar to the muppets that wanted Will Still out and then they say something along the lines of “I reckon we should go for Jurgen Klopp”. 😂

Who has said that?  Ridiculous comment.

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