Tonda Eckert

[tdmickey3]

Still shows no idea how to change the approach when the game is crying out for it.

Not good enough and never will be 

[Give it to Ron]

14 minutes ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

Not been on for a while as couldn’t face the usual happy clapping because we have miraculously picked up some results recently. I’m not a glass half full type of person and of course some result were much welcome not to mention the Leicester cup game gave us a brief glimpse of what it’s like to support an exciting football team. But can any of you genuinely pin down a core discernible reason why we picked up those results?
 

The truth is like the last brief purple patch we had when Todger took over it’s completely unexplainable. A wise man would admit we were promoted under Martin in spite of him, not because of him. If we scrape in this year the same will be true for Todger. I know some fans struggle to admit it, but we probably have one of top 3 squads in the league, if not the best squad of all. Our bench today was absolutely ridiculous for the championship. I reckon all other teams would have them in their starting 11s without question. After the experiment with Still the brief was clear, get an experienced old manager in to get the basics right. We gambled again but this time on a literal PE teacher. Let that sink in…… Nothing is going to change until we get an experienced manager. We lost today because of the no mark in charge. 

We didn’t lose ….

[Lord Duckhunter]

15 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Is he being dictated to by the medical team regarding subs?

It would be interesting to know if he makes the changes based off what he feels at that moment or if he is doing it because he is told to.

 

I’d imagine it’s the same at pretty much every club, the medical team will advise and the manager will then make an informed decision based on the back of that advice. In Ross Stewart’s case he’s already said they’ve told him he can’t play more than 60 mins at the moment. Ignoring that advice would be brainless when we’re only in February.

[Harry_SFC]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’d imagine it’s the same at pretty much every club, the medical team will advise and the manager will then make an informed decision based on the back of that advice. In Ross Stewart’s case he’s already said they’ve told him he can’t play more than 60 mins at the moment. Ignoring that advice would be brainless when we’re only in February.

Yeah I get the Stewart one completely and we've got a decent enough back up for him now so no problem there. Was more thinking of the Charles change as that sub really seemed to affect us. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

39 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah I get the Stewart one completely and we've got a decent enough back up for him now so no problem there. Was more thinking of the Charles change as that sub really seemed to affect us. 

He’s been out for a while as well, so I imagine with it being a 3 game week they wanted to protect him a bit. Personally, I had no problem with that but maybe he should have replaced him with Bragg rather than Jander. 

[Badger]

48 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah I get the Stewart one completely and we've got a decent enough back up for him now so no problem there. Was more thinking of the Charles change as that sub really seemed to affect us. 

What would your view of the manager have been if Charles had pulled up again as he did at Blackburn and out for another two months ? 

[Badger]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s been out for a while as well, so I imagine with it being a 3 game week they wanted to protect him a bit. Personally, I had no problem with that but maybe he should have replaced him with Bragg rather than Jander. 

At the time I thought Jander was seen as possibly offering more going forward. Bragg in his limited time on the pitch though slotted in well and was impressed given his age. 

[beatlesaint]

Are we criticising Tonda for managing players minutes who have had a long injury record or lay off in what is a 3 game week now ?

Poor bugger is on a hiding to nothing.

[S-Clarke]

The Edozie sub improved us I felt, but Jander has struggled since the turn of the year for me. Needs some time out of the side. 

Where was Romeu out of interest? I thought that run out against Leicester would have been enough to at least get him on the bench, but no sign.

[ecuk268]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

Are we criticising Tonda for managing players minutes who have had a long injury record or lay off in what is a 3 game week now ?

Poor bugger is on a hiding to nothing.

After 20 games he's won 10, drawn 5 and lost 5.

A win percentage of 50% which will place him in the top 3 or 4.

[beatlesaint]

12 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

After 20 games he's won 10, drawn 5 and lost 5.

A win percentage of 50% which will place him in the top 3 or 4.

Exactly

[Behind Enemy Lines]

22 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

After 20 games he's won 10, drawn 5 and lost 5.

A win percentage of 50% which will place him in the top 3 or 4.

I’m not saying this to be argumentative here, but these stats need to be taken as they are. That is, for the squad we have, compared to the rest of this league, we should be winning the majority of our games, drawing a few and very rarely losing. 
 

Comparing stats in this league this year, to those of Poch, Koeman, Strachan etc, where we often had a much weaker squad compared to the rest of the league, isn’t really a true comparison. 

[Toadhall Saint]

26 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

After 20 games he's won 10, drawn 5 and lost 5.

A win percentage of 50% which will place him in the top 3 or 4.

These are the stats that matter.

[SaintsRoyalty]

59 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

After 20 games he's won 10, drawn 5 and lost 5.

A win percentage of 50% which will place him in the top 3 or 4.

With arguably the best squad in the league. So those stats are appalling actually. You are ignoring the fact that our squad would win 50% of its games purely off the back of its own strength with no one telling them what to do. A good manager gets a squad of this strength to win every game. Look at Burnley, Leeds etc in the past.

I honestly feel like I’m living in a twilight zone where I’m the only one that can see blatant and unprecedented failures at this club. No other club would hire someone that not only had never managed a professional man’s team before, but never played the game. You sometimes get ex players who get bumped up a bit too early and almost always have their inexperience exposed straight away but what club hires this guy????

I’ve said before the biggest issue at this club is the fans. I honestly think if Rasmus hired his mum as the next manager but she got a few results the fan base would get behind her.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by SaintsRoyalty

[washsaint]

27 minutes ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

With arguably the best squad in the league. So those stats are appalling actually. You are ignoring the fact that our squad would win 50% of its games purely off the back of its own strength with no one telling them what to do. A good manager gets a squad of this strength to win every game. Look at Burnley, Leeds etc in the past.

I honestly feel like I’m living in a twilight zone where I’m the only one that can see blatant and unprecedented failures at this club. No other club would hire someone that not only had never managed a professional man’s team before, but never played the game. You sometimes get ex players who get bumped up a bit too early and almost always have their inexperience exposed straight away but what club hires this guy????

I’ve said before the biggest issue at this club is the fans. I honestly think if Rasmus hired his mum as the next manager but she got a few results the fan base would get behind her.

 

What utter nonsense......best squad in the League my arse.

For most of the season we did not have a real striker fit or available.  A weak link in goal.  And a scarred squad from an awful Prem season with a club clearly in disarray.

'On paper' Leicester had the strongest squad in the League, with Ipswich not far behind.

If you are so blind as to not see that 35 points from 20 games is an excellent return, that's your problem.

Eckert has taken a squad with low morale and playing abysmally to, somehow, still being in with a shout of the plays offs and it also looks like the culture within the club is being improved and rebuilt.

Seriously, some fans.  No doubt they'd prefer someone like Dyche (a 'proper' manager).

[Badger]

20 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Still shows no idea how to change the approach when the game is crying out for it.

Not good enough and never will be 

Might be a fair point about not changing things during the match, but very few managers have that insight. He’s not alone and by no means the worst we’ve had.

As for yesterday, by my recollection we had two cleared off the line, hit the bar in the first half.  Suggests that the tactics were working if we were creating chances.
 

Some cooler heads when chances arose, Bree getting his header on target and Matsuki not ending up on his arse might have helped as well. 

 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

With arguably the best squad in the league. So those stats are appalling actually. You are ignoring the fact that our squad would win 50% of its games purely off the back of its own strength with no one telling them what to do. A good manager gets a squad of this strength to win every game. Look at Burnley, Leeds etc in the past.

I honestly feel like I’m living in a twilight zone where I’m the only one that can see blatant and unprecedented failures at this club. No other club would hire someone that not only had never managed a professional man’s team before, but never played the game. You sometimes get ex players who get bumped up a bit too early and almost always have their inexperience exposed straight away but what club hires this guy????

I’ve said before the biggest issue at this club is the fans. I honestly think if Rasmus hired his mum as the next manager but she got a few results the fan base would get behind her.

 

What rubbish. You mean like Will Still did, winning 2 of his 13 games?

And if you think we have the best squad in the league, you're deluded. We do have some good individual players, but so do other teams.

Honestly I'm not sold on Tonda yet, but he's doing a pretty decent job on the whole. I feel like we could win every remaining game and some of you would still be moaning about him.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Might be a fair point about not changing things during the match, but very few managers have that insight. He’s not alone and by no means the worst we’ve had.

As for yesterday, by my recollection we had two cleared off the line, hit the bar in the first half.  Suggests that the tactics were working if we were creating chances.
 

Some cooler heads when chances arose, Bree getting his header on target and Matsuki not ending up on his arse might have helped as well. 

 

All true of course but my point is he never tries anything different, just like for like and hope

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, washsaint said:

What utter nonsense......best squad in the League my arse.

For most of the season we did not have a real striker fit or available.  A weak link in goal.  And a scarred squad from an awful Prem season with a club clearly in disarray.

'On paper' Leicester had the strongest squad in the League, with Ipswich not far behind.

If you are so blind as to not see that 35 points from 20 games is an excellent return, that's your problem.

Eckert has taken a squad with low morale and playing abysmally to, somehow, still being in with a shout of the plays offs and it also looks like the culture within the club is being improved and rebuilt.

Seriously, some fans.  No doubt they'd prefer someone like Dyche (a 'proper' manager).

This is nonsense .. whatever your opinion we was  second favourites for promotion. Behind Ipswich at the start of the season ..and we have strengthened a hell of a lot since that so yes it is one of the best squads in the league however poorly will still done with it .

also what’s the matter with dyche? Your talking about a manager who kept a dogshit Burnley side punching well above its weight in the premier league for a long time ..  is absolutely no guarantee of eckart doing any thing of that note and it could well be another Russel Martin type nightmare if he gets promoted and isn’t managing a better squad then the rest of the league like he is in the championship 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

31 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

This is nonsense .. whatever your opinion we was  second favourites for promotion. Behind Ipswich at the start of the season ..and we have strengthened a hell of a lot since that so yes it is one of the best squads in the league however poorly will still done with it .

also what’s the matter with dyche? Your talking about a manager who kept a dogshit Burnley side punching well above its weight in the premier league for a long time ..  is absolutely no guarantee of eckart doing any thing of that note and it could well be another Russel Martin type nightmare if he gets promoted and isn’t managing a better squad then the rest of the league like he is in the championship 

Yep agree with this.

Underperformed with Still. 

However I dont agree with the other poster thinking 35 points from 20 games is a great return from Tonda's reign so far, given the squad we have. The blips have cost us.  

45 points from 20 games would have been a great return for me.

[Badger]

13 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Yep agree with this.

Underperformed with Still. 

However I dont agree with the other poster thinking 35 points from 20 games is a great return from Tonda's reign so far, given the squad we have. The blips have cost us.  

45 points from 20 games would have been a great return for me.

That would be 80 points if continued over the course of the season, which would be good, even if not a great return. Solid play off form and finish.

Making allowance for this being a first job, and what appeared a squad low on confidence and belief, it’s not a bad return. I suspect many would have been pleased had say Dyche or Carrick come in and achieved it.

(Yes there were some poor results in there as well, Norwich, Oxford, Hull at home.). 

[Badger]

56 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

 

also what’s the matter with dyche? Your talking about a manager who kept a dogshit Burnley side punching well above its weight in the premier league for a long time ..  is absolutely no guarantee of eckart doing any thing of that note and it could well be another Russel Martin type nightmare if he gets promoted and isn’t managing a better squad then the rest of the league like he is in the championship 

Might be a question to pose on Everton or Forest forums. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

All true of course but my point is he never tries anything different, just like for like and hope

He took a full back off at Leicester & replaced him with a forward. He changed from a back 3 to a 4. He has brought an extra centre half at the end of a couple of games. To say he doesn’t try anything different is pony…

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

That would be 80 points if continued over the course of the season, which would be good, even if not a great return. Solid play off form and finish.

Making allowance for this being a first job, and what appeared a squad low on confidence and belief, it’s not a bad return. I suspect many would have been pleased had say Dyche or Carrick come in and achieved it.

(Yes there were some poor results in there as well, Norwich, Oxford, Hull at home.). 

Yeah very true. It is his first job proper and all.

So do take in those points when laid out like that. 

Probably being a little harsh on Tonda which is unfair.

 

[Maggie May]

One draw and the forum goes into meltdown mode. We’re not going to win every game. 

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He took a full back off at Leicester & replaced him with a forward. He changed from a back 3 to a 4. He has brought an extra centre half at the end of a couple of games. To say he doesn’t try anything different is pony…

Revolutionary…

[trousers]

2 hours ago, Maggie May said:

One draw and one forum member goes into hyperbole mode

Fixed it for you 👍🏻