Saints Charged With Spying on Mboro Training

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Is that genuine? The one earlier he said he hadn't spoke to Gibson but had markedly changed his tune from yesterday re it now being "cheating" and boro will expect to be in the final one way or another. Lost a lot of respect for what Jordan says if hes just acting as a mouth piece for hire.

It's on talksport YouTube channel. Tbf to him I expect he hadn't spoken to him but he certainly has now.

[badgerx16]

I feel this has grown into a much bigger affair than it needed to. What competitive advantage would any reasonable observer think we actually gained ? ( Based on provable fact rather than rabid conjecture ).

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[Saint Troy]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

I feel this has grown into a much bigger affair than it needed to. What competitive advantage would any reasonable observer think we actually ganed ?

I suppose enough to bother doing it?

It’s more about the principle than the actual gain.

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

How on earth can you know that?

Are you on the panel? Have you heard the full mitigation case? 

Well I don't know per se but my guess is that, if we knowingly sent the guy, we will be held culpable whether that be directly or indirectly. I'm just giving my view that it'll be worse for us if we admit to authorising any of this.  

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

In fact Simon Jordan was being rung live on air by Steve Gibson so he's definitely been talking to him 

Fight fire with fire

Get Dragan to call Jim White

[coalman]

I think the EFL needs to be consistent with the rest of the sporting sanctions this season. The only logical course of action is to deduct 10 points from Sheff Wed and award a penalty to Ipswich.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I feel this has grown into a much bigger affair than it needed to. What competitive advantage would any reasonable observer think we actually gained ? ( Based on provable fact rather than rabid conjecture ).

Although it's broken the rules what's actually happened here? 

It sounds like it could be a young early career kid has gone to a public place to watch a proffessional team train whilst in the area, possibly completely innocently as part of his own education and love for the sport. When asked to delete whatever it was he had recorded he did and mad a run for it probably shitting himself hes got himself in trouble.

It doesnt sound like its a sinster plot to by SFC to uncover some grand secrets like it's being made out. Of course it might be if you strip away all the faux outrage, postering and media frenzy i suspect what's really happened here is a young kid is going to be sacked and career ruined for being a bit naive, not much more to see here than that.

[sockeye]

Just had a read of X the everything app formerly known as Twitter and their fans are afflicted with total headloss

[Ed Rooney]

Can’t believe they would kick us out if we win tonight 

would be a huge claim by saints about loss of potential prem league revenue and loss of players.

Also spygate only would have effected result of first leg - boro not scoring from 21 shots had more effect on that result.

if boro reinstated wouldn’t hull have something to say if they lost to them, considering they have beaten us twice this season, they could take the we may have beaten saints stance.

also if it drags on then hull would have lesser time to prepare for the correct opposition.

absolute mess 

 

[egg]

Just now, sockeye said:

Just had a read of X the everything app formerly known as Twitter and their fans are afflicted with total headloss

Yep. The club and fanbase are using it as a diversion from them fucking up the automatic promotion that was in their hands most of the season. 

Feels a bit Scouse esque. 

[trousers]

41 minutes ago, saintant said:

If we admit to authorising a junior analyst to visit Boro's training ground we are in the shit. Whether we told him to do something and he did something else won't wash with any enquiry and won't be seen as an excuse.

What if we told him to make sure he didn't encroach on the 72 hour embargo, but he ended up doing so without our knowledge....?

[64saint]

Just now, Turkish said:

Although it's broken the rules what's actually happened here? 

It sounds like it could be a young early career kid has gone to a public place to watch a proffessional team train whilst in the area, possibly completely innocently as part of his own education and love for the sport. When asked to delete whatever it was he had recorded he did and mad a run for it probably shitting himself hes got himself in trouble.

It doesnt sound like its a sinster plot to by SFC to uncover some grand secrets like it's being made out. Of course it might be if you strip away all the faux outrage, postering and media frenzy i suspect what's really happened here is a young kid is going to be sacked and career ruined for being a bit naive, not much more to see here than that.

Yes, that sounds about right, should add though, club sack the kid if he accepts full responsibility and admits he did it off his own back,  (no matter who knew what !!! )  but then give him a nice pay off say £100,000 as compensation and that's peanuts with what's at stake.  Kid lays low for a couple of years with his nice big payoff, before remerging in a new career in a couple of years...  sorted !!!!!  

Edited 4 hours ago by 64saint

[SNSUN]

[SNSUN]

Just now, SNSUN said:

Couldn't spy for shit through this.

[trousers]

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Edited 4 hours ago by trousers
Wrong thread

[trousers]

 

 

[CanadaSaint]

If Gibson is deliberately fanning the flames by peddling falsehoods to the media, at what point does he contravene 3.4 himself?

"In all matters and transactions relating to The League each Club shall behave towards each other Club 
and The League with the utmost good faith."

I'm sure the EFL would like him to STFU while they sort this out.

[egg]

1 minute ago, CanadaSaint said:

If Gibson is deliberately fanning the flames by peddling falsehoods to the media, at what point does he contravene 3.4 himself?

"In all matters and transactions relating to The League each Club shall behave towards each other Club 
and The League with the utmost good faith."

I'm sure the EFL would like him to STFU while they sort this out.

I'd argue that relentlessly fanning the flames (even if the allegations are true) in the build up to such important games is worse than we've allegedly done. 

[Doctoroncall]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

You are our Expert on Insiders. 🙂

Dealers, unfortunately no, vaccines on the other hand… 😷

[saintant]

35 minutes ago, trousers said:

What if we told him to make sure he didn't encroach on the 72 hour embargo, but he ended up doing so without our knowledge....?

I get what you say but I'm not sure that would be accepted. Might be wrong on this but it's the old ignorance is no excuse thing that crops up in the world of commerce and sport.

[Toadhall Saint]

30 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

 

Brilliant 

[Convict Colony]

for some perspective about how insane this has all got for those that remember the milwall v brum playoff riots at the new den in 2002 where i think 23 police horses died etc .

Millwall faced no major formal FA punishment or points deduction for the 2002 incident.

[benjii]

Craig David thinks the legal process should play out.

[trousers]

More charges on their way apparently....

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, benjii said:

Craig David thinks the legal process should play out.

He also thinks it should take 7 days.

[coalman]

43 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

If Gibson is deliberately fanning the flames by peddling falsehoods to the media, at what point does he contravene 3.4 himself?

"In all matters and transactions relating to The League each Club shall behave towards each other Club 
and The League with the utmost good faith."

I'm sure the EFL would like him to STFU while they sort this out.

At the very least he has gone out of his way to prejudice any hearing we have. Would be hilarious if it went something like Middlesbrough reinstated to face Hull in the final due to Southampton spying. Immediately followed by Southampton reinstated to face Hull in the final due to Middlesbrough interfering with due process.

[Saint Fan CaM]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

More charges on their way apparently....

 

 

TBH, if missiles have been thrown etc. that’s all a bit Neanderthal in my view - last thing the club needs now is further sanctions. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Saint Fan CaM

[Scummer]

6 minutes ago, trousers said:

More charges on their way apparently....

 

 

All I saw was empty cardboard tubes from flares being thrown

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Saint Fan CaM said:

TBH, if missives have been thrown etc. that’s all a bit Neanderthal in my view - last thing the club needs now is further sanctions. 

Agree but it was inevitable given the storm Boro have whipped up. Their players don’t deserve the aggravation though, not their fault. Couldn’t see any damage to their coach though and bear in mind that their journalists are looking for any old excuse. 

[AlexLaw76]

Lots of chattering from the usual suspects online that Saints being kicked out of the playoffs (should we win tonight) is a matter of when, not if.

WTF

[DT]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of chattering from the usual suspects online that Saints being kicked out of the playoffs (should we win tonight) is a matter of when, not if.

WTF

Absolute joke. We should be throwing money at lawyers and countersuing, Trump style

[Midfield_General]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of chattering from the usual suspects online that Saints being kicked out of the playoffs (should we win tonight) is a matter of when, not if.

WTF

Who are the usual suspects?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Midfield_General said:

Who are the usual suspects?

Anyone connected to Boro, which is being repeated by EFL and other football blogger sites.

Means nothing, but it is remarkably strange behaviour 

[Turkish]

Apparently we are a stain on the football pyramid 😂😂

 

[Saint NL]

Commentators on sky seem to agree it should be a sporting sanction whatever that could be.

 

[DT]

I still maintain that it is absolutely moronic for the club to have sanctioned this if it did. Just such a shame that we it means we can only half celebrate a win tonight. But it is also pretty rich for TalkSport's resident twats to keep spouting off about this with very little evidence whilst remaining completely silent about, say, Man City's far more serious 130 charges. Or Chelsea's decades of criminality. 

Game is so awash with money that such corruption and bias is bound to follow. Such a shame it has tarnished a briliant end to the season. Can't help feeling there are too many people who have a grudge against us for us not to get off scott free, like the last time we were slapped with a ludicrous points off.

Fuck it. Let's at least smash them tonight.

[James G]

It won't end here

Gibbo will be after Eurovision honours next week

[sockeye]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Apparently we are a stain on the football pyramid 😂😂

 

Jealousy

[adrian lord]

I don’t think they can reasonably have a retrospective sporting punishment that affects the playoff outcome. What’s more likely and fair is a sporting punishment of perhaps a points deduction at the start of next season, irrespective of what league we are playing in. 

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Apparently we are a stain on the football pyramid 😂😂

 

These people are fucking mental.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

These people are fucking mental.

The frenzy about it is bonkers I genuinely don’t think I’d give a toss if it had been the other way round 

Edited 3 hours ago by Turkish

[DT]

1 minute ago, adrian lord said:

I don’t think they can reasonably have a retrospective sporting punishment that affects the playoff outcome. What’s more likely and fair is a sporting punishment of perhaps a points deduction at the start of next season, irrespective of what league we are playing in. 

But that wouldn't apply if the Prem as different organisation, no?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Turkish said:

The frenzy about it is bonkers I genuinely don’t think I’d give a toss if it had been the other way round 

I have never seen anything like it around football. I genuinely used to think Scousers were by the far the whiniest fans going. Not even close. This situation has been nuts and I foolishly believed people form the North East were hardy folk.

My friends who support a range of teams also fail to understand the fury being displayed and think it is all rather weird.

[Turkish]

We won’t be thrown out before the final anyway. It’s only just over a week away there would have to be a full investigation and hearing before they reach a verdict. With tickets and logistics to organise it would be impossible.

[adrian lord]

12 minutes ago, DT said:

But that wouldn't apply if the Prem as different organisation, no?

God knows!

[Saint Fan CaM]

Cheating fucking northerners already trying it on for a pen!

[trousers]

Bugger

[Southner]

2 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

Can’t believe they would kick us out if we win tonight 

would be a huge claim by saints about loss of potential prem league revenue and loss of players.

Also spygate only would have effected result of first leg - boro not scoring from 21 shots had more effect on that result.

if boro reinstated wouldn’t hull have something to say if they lost to them, considering they have beaten us twice this season, they could take the we may have beaten saints stance.

also if it drags on then hull would have lesser time to prepare for the correct opposition.

absolute mess 

 

Probably best they spy on both, just to cover all basis. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Fucking stupid idiotic defence. Thats it - we’re out of it.😏😉

[Saint Fan CaM]

Central midfield is all over the place - not a clue!