Saints Expelled from Playoffs

[skintsaint]

3 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Hull to take legal action if beaten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cpvp8vv8e2zo

Edited 2 hours ago by skintsaint

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

"Well, you would say that now wouldn't you" pelters incoming...

That is a fair point Mr. T, but it is true. I really don’t give a stuff about teams checking each other out. As has been said plenty of times on here, there are hours of videos of all of the teams, the full team is known an hour before the match, it is very clear after a few minutes how a team has been set up. Unless someone has come up with a unique cunning plan there isn’t a great deal that you can learn a few days before a game that you don’t know already. 
“Why do it,” I hear you say? 
Analyists are gonna analyse I guess. Eckert seems a bit obsessive with details. 
I’d expect other teams to be all over our stuff like a rash too. Whether that extended to spying who knows, but I have seen enough this season to tell me that playing 4 at the back, getting in a decent goalkeeper, getting Bree back  and having two effective CFs has made the biggest difference to our performances this season no matter what Will Salt has managed to discover on his missions.

[BotleySaint]

It's going to get very very messy if Hull dont win. He is right, why did Boro get back in? Hull should have just been sent up automatically. 

[Window Cleaner]

3 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Hull to take legal action if beaten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cpvp8vv8e2zo

Won't get them anywhere. Before the match perhaps but now it's a dead end.

The EFL make the rules and apply them.

If Hull don't like it they should refuse to play.

[Sheaf Saint]

Good. Someone needs to challenge the absolute carve-up of putting Boro back in to the final. 

If they are going to claim that our expulsion was deserved on the basis of only seeking to gain an advantage but not actually gaining one, then they can't have it both ways.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, BotleySaint said:

It's going to get very very messy if Hull dont win. He is right, why did Boro get back in? Hull should have just been sent up automatically. 

Should have held the inquiry after the final.

[sockeye]

29 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

Actually I want Boro to win now! 😂 for the grammar and the chant by the way! 

 

On the other hand, it'll be two more games of grown men pawing at us with mock tiger gestures

[Pilchards]

Maybe they need a tip off to make sure no Boro links on the panel.

Would fucking love it if they get thrown out after doing a tour round their shitty town centre.

[Sheaf Saint]

I'll be surprised if it happens, but I'd love to see Boro win only to have it taken away from them on a technicality. 

Would be some poetic justice in that.

[TwoPints]

8 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

Won't get them anywhere. Before the match perhaps but now it's a dead end.

The EFL make the rules and apply them.

If Hull don't like it they should refuse to play.

Yea, think you're probably right there 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Knowing we were going to cheat is not entrapment. If we had an email inviting some of our back room staff up too Teeside for tea, biscuits and a guided tour of their facilities, where we were invited to watch them train and take photos if we liked, with everything else that subsequently happened, then we’d have an argument.

Entrapment, no. But if they were knowingly sitting on the whistleblower's evidence, with the intention of using to their own advantage, then they have a very obvious case to answer for not acting in good faith.

[do i not like fizzy pop]

Expulsion and a four point deduction is fair 

[Saint Pete]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Hull to take legal action if beaten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cpvp8vv8e2zo

Good stuff, totally agree with them, why should Boro automatically get a free pass to final when they were beaten over 2 legs? I read the judgement from the "independent" panel and it doesn't even address the decision to reinstate Boro in the final, no justification given at all, just assumed that was the only option, no consideration for other alternatives.

Also opens up potential legal action from Wrexham. And I think Hull could also include in their legal action should they lose the fact that their preparation for the final has been seriously disrupted by having to prepare for 2 different opponents until very near the final, another advantage on the Boro side. 

[Colinjb]

1 minute ago, do i not like fizzy pop said:

Expulsion and a four point deduction is fair 

'Boro clearly not acting in good faith.

[Lard]

1 minute ago, do i not like fizzy pop said:

Expulsion and a four point deduction is fair 

Boro will probably sue them for breaking the brick. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dr Who?]

12 minutes ago, sockeye said:

On the other hand, it'll be two more games of grown men pawing at us with mock tiger gestures

Just don’t look. 

[LaptopSaint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

Good stuff, totally agree with them, why should Boro automatically get a free pass to final when they were beaten over 2 legs? I read the judgement from the "independent" panel and it doesn't even address the decision to reinstate Boro in the final, no justification given at all, just assumed that was the only option, no consideration for other alternatives.

Also opens up potential legal action from Wrexham. And I think Hull could also include in their legal action should they lose the fact that their preparation for the final has been seriously disrupted by having to prepare for 2 different opponents until very near the final, another advantage on the Boro side. 

Surely Wrexham will also be keen to be involved, if only to create more drama for the documentary. Bring it on!

[Dr Who?]

3 minutes ago, do i not like fizzy pop said:

Expulsion and a four point deduction is fair 

That’s mental… unless it is disgruntled Millwall fans? 

[Mboto Gorge]

22 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

It's going to get very very messy if Hull dont win. He is right, why did Boro get back in? Hull should have just been sent up automatically. 

We all know why they got back in, really. 

[Mboto Gorge]

Bookies have hull as huge outsiders for this at 3/1 with Boro 9/10. Clearly they realise the lack of prep time hull have had will be a huge telling factor for the difference in the odds to be that vast

Edited 2 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[Simo is back]

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

[Window Cleaner]

8 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

Surely Wrexham will also be keen to be involved, if only to create more drama for the documentary. Bring it on!

What has it to do with Wrexham. They weren't in the play-offs.

The correct processus would have probably been Boro awarded a 3-0 victory for the first leg on what is usually called the "tapis vert" and going through on aggregate. 

 

[Dr Who?]

1 minute ago, Simo is back said:

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

Not a bad shout. Would not be surprised if we tried to pay him off. 

[Window Cleaner]

3 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Bookies have hull as huge outsiders for this at 3/1 with Boro 9/10. Clearly they realise the lack of prep time hull have had will be a huge telling factor for the difference in the odds to be that vast

Bookies know a crap side when they see one. 

[sadoldgit]

3 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Bookies have hull as huge outsiders for this at 3/1 with Boro 9/10. Clearly they realise the lack of prep time hull have had will be a huge telling factor for the difference in the odds to be that vast

If 72 hours is such a big deal in the EFL’s world, surely Hull should have been given more time to prepare against a different opponent?

[Dr Who?]

1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said:

What has it to do with Wrexham. They weren't in the play-offs.

The correct processus would have probably been Boro awarded a 3-0 victory for the first leg on what is usually called the "tapis vert" and going through on aggregate. 

 

Or waited for the final today Saints v Hull. If we won, we get thrown and Hull go up. If we won a points deduction. Boro should nowhere near this final and a day in the sun at Wembley. 

[trousers]

[sadoldgit]

40 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

What the actual f.....a grown man going out like that. 😅

The one on the left looks pretty silly too!

[Patrick Bateman]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

That's tragic.

[trousers]

19 minutes ago, Lard said:

Boro will probably sue them for breaking the brick. 🤷🏻‍♂️

And win...

[trousers]

30 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I'll be surprised if it happens, but I'd love to see Boro win only to have it taken away from them on a technicality. 

Would be some poetic justice in that.

That's best case scenario for me, but highly unlikely of course

[obelisk]

22 minutes ago, do i not like fizzy pop said:

Expulsion and a four point deduction is fair 

Clearly Gibbo FC should now be ejected and Saints reinstated

 

[Football Special]

36 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

It's going to get very very messy if Hull dont win. He is right, why did Boro get back in? Hull should have just been sent up automatically. 

Quite right, hearing was a charade to "punish" Southampton,  but in fact it was about rewarding Middlesbrough 

[Ken Tone]

9 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

What has it to do with Wrexham. They weren't in the play-offs.

The correct processus would have probably been Boro awarded a 3-0 victory for the first leg on what is usually called the "tapis vert" and going through on aggregate. 

 

Yes, the sensible way to expel us would have been to change the result of the first leg to a 3-nil win. But they didn't. They just expelled us. Hull's argument is that expelling us doesn’t mean Boro should be back in.  They say if we were 'expelled' from the playoffs, Wrexham should have been brought in at 6th place instead of us and played Millwall whilst Hull played Boro in the semi finals as 4th and 5th

Complete chaos!

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

What has it to do with Wrexham. They weren't in the play-offs.

The correct processus would have probably been Boro awarded a 3-0 victory for the first leg on what is usually called the "tapis vert" and going through on aggregate. 

 

Yes but they didn't do that. They 'expelled' us from the playoffs, which means there's probably a good argument to be made that the playoffs should have been re-run with Boro, Hull and Wrexham all moving up a place in the order. 

[Whitey Grandad]

16 minutes ago, Simo is back said:

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

Jason Taylor

[LegalEagle]

48 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

It's going to get very very messy if Hull dont win. He is right, why did Boro get back in? Hull should have just been sent up automatically. 

We know why Boro got back in

[Harry_SFC]

23 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

What has it to do with Wrexham. They weren't in the play-offs.

The correct processus would have probably been Boro awarded a 3-0 victory for the first leg on what is usually called the "tapis vert" and going through on aggregate. 

 

No, I feel the correct process would have been to delay our tie with Middlesbrough until the investigation had finished. 

[Window Cleaner]

5 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

Yes, the sensible way to expel us would have been to change the result of the first leg to a 3-nil win. But they didn't. They just expelled us. Hull's argument is that expelling us doesn’t mean Boro should be back in.  They say if we were 'expelled' from the playoffs, Wrexham should have been brought in at 6th place instead of us and played Millwall whilst Hull played Boro in the semi finals as 4th and 5th

Complete chaos!

Wreexham weren't in the play-offs. I know that in France or any UEFA or FIFA ruling,  we would have been adjuged to have trangressed and the first leg would be 3-0 to Boro. Then as the games had already gone ahead the aggregate would be 4-2 in favour of Boro, thus them participating in the final as is so.

 

We would have then probably been relegated one or two divisions for systematic cheating.

But this is English Football where several entities make their own rules and nothing is standard. In any other country City, Chelsea Everton et al would be playing, albeit temporarily , in régional leagues for their financial losses.

[Saint86]

27 minutes ago, Simo is back said:

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

I have wondered this. It's the Ipswich game at Eastleigh that makes me suspicious.

[Window Cleaner]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

No, I feel the correct process would have been to delay our tie with Middlesbrough until the investigation had finished. 

World Cup no go, but you're probably not wrong.

[dsrdorset]

29 minutes ago, Simo is back said:

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

This needs more investigation

[GDog07]

26 minutes ago, Simo is back said:

Am I the only one thinking the whistle-blower is Salt and he got caught on purpose? 

Whistleblower, I don’t know - I think that’s being suggested as Jason Taylor.

However, being caught on purpose, there is credibility in that thought. When it came out at the hearing that there was refusal and unwillingness by the analyst(s) to do as was asked to watch Ipswich in April, potentially not seeing a way out of continually being sent to do ‘missions’ he didn’t want to be part of, he intentionally got himself seen/caught in such an open area as it clearly was.

[Window Cleaner]

2 minutes ago, dsrdorset said:

This needs more investigation

I'd think that depended on his ongoing status at Saints. Was he being retained for next season? I understand that he is/was some sort of traînée 

[LegalEagle]

5 minutes ago, dsrdorset said:

This needs more investigation

Let’s waterboard him

[LegalEagle]

Just now, LegalEagle said:

Let’s waterboard him

That’s a joke of course rather than me trying to incite people into torturing a poor lad. The world we live in!

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Hull to take legal action if beaten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cpvp8vv8e2zo

Seems ridiculous waiting until after the event.

Shouldve done it before.

EFL will never back down given they’d have to refund thousands of people’s tickets, accommodation and travel.

[Willo of Whiteley]

The pundits saying the EFL have done as well as they can - no they haven’t.

If they had such concerns they could’ve postponed it, not a ball had to be kicked.

As soon as Saints won, they won fairly and squarely on the pitch.

Saints sell out 37,000 tickets.

Punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

Middlesbrough cry, winge and shriek, trial by media is a success, pathetically reinstated.

Boro start to sell tickets when the appeal is yet to finish.

Flip flop on time of kick off.

Hull 100% have a case to go up automatically.

Middlesbrough fart their way to promotion despite losing picking up £200m along the way.

EFL aren’t backing down if Boro win now.

 

[Badger]

Saw this on BBC

 

 

Oi! Hull fan, find your own fucking scandal to commemorate.

Jokes been done ! Although will probably continue to run. 
 

(But good luck Hull) 

[Tom & Gerry]

If I don't want people to know what I'm doing I close my curtains and put up a fence or hedge round my garden. Surely with the rules against spying causing such complications and with it being treated as such a serious crime when the information that can be gleaned is little more than can be found by watching videos or the Manager's press conference , spying should be allowed as long as you don't break in to somewhere private, and the onus should be on teams to protect themselves from things they don't want to be seen?