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Posted by Miltonaggro,

Apologies for the war and peace post chaps – bear with or scroll past.  For the last week I have been trying to provide a steer on here as to why I think this silly episode will be concluded with a fine (in the region of £200k) and / or a possible future points deduction (though if I were advising Saints I would appeal this).  Simply that talk of forfeit and bans opens a legal can of worms that is well beyond the remit and scope of both the EFL and / or Middlesbrough FC. The best way to get

What a well thought out post. Thank you

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WinglessWonder

WinglessWonder

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5 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

One thing we can be certain of, Will Salt has done his chances of being recruited as an MI5 field operative irrecoverable harm. 

His hiding skills are up there with my daughter playing hide and seek when she was about 3! 🤣

Saint NL

Saint NL

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2 minutes ago, Football Special said:

It has "gone viral" , I was on a work call with customer based in Barcelona earlier and we got talking about it, need to get some merch ready for the summer to cash in, mush in the bush is turning up everywhere now 

Will Salt to be on "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" next season. 

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BarberSaint

BarberSaint

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3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Corden is about as funny as getting up in the night to go to the loo and standing on a piece of Lego. 

But ... 

 

I like Lego.

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

There was certainly one in a Matalan tracksuit gesturing at the home sections from Tuesday night. Can’t recall which thread it was one but @Miltonaggro posted it IIRC

The Middlesbrough appreciation thread, Gloucester, the lady was goading the Saints fans at the Riverdive. I believe her name is Stephanie Gibson, Boro’s legal director and stress relief receptacle. 

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Ted Bates Statue

Ted Bates Statue

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17 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

I'm thinking the young analyst screwed his days up, he was supposed to get there on Wednesday but something caused him to lose a day and he thought he'd chance it to not get in trouble. Young, naive and maybe a bit too eager to please.

 

I have a similar suspicion there might have been some sort of fuck-up along these lines, in combination with the notion that this sort of thing is done regularly on the quiet. Would be nice to hear more from the club but they obviously feel it's best to keep their powder dry until the right moment.

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Galway saint

Galway saint

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I can’t seem them kicking us out as there would have to be an appeal and that could take weeks, if not months.

Equally if the EFL got the process wrong they would leave themselves open to a damages claim for very a substantial sum of money, so if you were them you wouldn’t take the risk.  A fine or points deduction is the most I can see. 

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Saint86

Saint86

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32 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Honestly, at this point aren't Middlesborough just opening themselves up to legal challenge? It's starting to get to the point where a fair trial simply isn't possible due to the amount of whining BS they've been spouting in the media. We'll have to be let off as it's no longer possible to reach an unbiased opinion with all that noise!

BBC have really conducted themselves like idiots too. Clearly a Middlesborough fan in their ranks.

I'd love to see Middlesborough try to prove how we had a competitive advantage over the two games by looking at the footage. You wouldn't even get past the first half of the first leg before concluding that's just a nonsense opinion. They were all over us!

I would say they are now in conflict with uefa regulations. I don't know what will happen now but saints absolutely have case against them. I wonder if we will accept a minor sanction from th efl in an agreement to let this lie and go away. Or whether solak will actually go back at Boro? I hope and would love it to be the latter, but obviously don't know if we are able to.

Alternatively the EFL and independent commission could be swayed by the media storm and throw the book at us, but I sincerely hope we blow the whole process up legally if that happens.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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25 minutes ago, Swaythling Saint said:

The phrase "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" comes to mind

I'm going with "empty vessels make the most noise"

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Colinjb

Colinjb

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Just now, Saint86 said:

I would say they are now in conflict with uefa regulations. I don't know what will happen now but saints absolutely have case against them. I wonder if we will accept a minor sanction from th efl in an agreement to let this lie and go away. Or whether solak will actually go back at Boro? I hope and would love it to be the latter, but obviously don't know if we are able to.

Alternatively the EFL and independent commission could be swayed by the media storm and throw the book at us, but I sincerely hope we blow the whole process up legally if that happens.

Yeah, if 'Boro want a fight over this, they will undoubtedly get it. 

They need to be careful what they wish for.

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Suhari

Suhari

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2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

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So if an independent inquiry doesn't make a decision in favour of Boro, AND impose the very harshest of sanctions, they'll take legal action.

I need a quiet sit down.

Turkish

Turkish

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26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s on BBC News tonight. The final that might never happen as Middlesbrough try to get Southampton thrown out of the competition 😂 

Imagine if they don’t, they’d be knocked out of the play offs twice in the same season 

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Morse

Morse

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The recent statement from Middlesboro i think is more about positioning for their inevitable legal action against Saints, than any belief the EFL will do what they want. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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So going by the latest articles it seems that boro have the statement from the ex employee and they want bank statements and phone records to try to prove it. Doesn't sound like they have any form of proof from other clubs. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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26 minutes ago, Football Special said:

It has "gone viral" , I was on a work call with customer based in Barcelona earlier and we got talking about it, need to get some merch ready for the summer to cash in, mush in the bush is turning up everywhere now 

 

Where's Willy?

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Saint Gifford

Saint Gifford

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I am genuine when I ask what advantage do Boro really think we gained. What does the EFL think we genuinely gained. 
 

Yes I understand the 72 hours thing, but that tells me that it’s allowed. 
 

Boro need to explain why anyone walking their dog can see whats going on. 
 

I just dont get what legal challenge is available to Boro. Most importantly what legal defence that the EFL would need to prove for any wrong doing. 

USaintA

USaintA

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"If" we are found guilty, I believe we should offer Middlesborough the following. apology..

"Dear, Middlesborough,

We're very very sorry for what we've done and we'd like to make it up to you. Please accept this £12 million pound Irish international goalkeeper as a token of our goodwill, and this Danish keynote speaker who is brilliant at breaking things. As an extra gesture, we'd like to highly recommend our former manager Russell Martin to you as a future replacement for your current manager who has obviously been deeply and emotionally affected by this whole sorry saga and who no doubt will be unable to continue in football management as a result of our heinous actions. Yours with love, Southampton FC."

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SotonianWill

SotonianWill

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12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

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Just promote Hull if this was the case. They will not do this due to Sky Sports’ thirst for more revenue, but the absolute embarrassment of turning up to a final having already lost. The fact they’re begging for the by says a lot about them: massive losers. 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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Allow Baz to join them for a fee of around £5m, but paid for by Saints as a gesture of goodwill.

That would go a long to heal the divide IMO

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johnnyboy

johnnyboy

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1 minute ago, USaintA said:

"If" we are found guilty, I believe we should offer Middlesborough the following. apology..

"Dear, Middlesborough,

We're very very sorry for what we've done and we'd like to make it up to you. Please accept this £12 million pound Irish international goalkeeper as a token of our goodwill, and this Danish keynote speaker who is brilliant at breaking things. As an extra gesture, we'd like to highly recommend our former manager Russell Martin to you as a future replacement for your current manager who has obviously been deeply and emotionally affected by this whole sorry saga and who no doubt will be unable to continue in football management as a result of our heinous actions. Yours with love, Southampton FC."

And don’t forget a young American striker who looks like the next big thing !

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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15 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

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Spin that has been fed to a friendly journalist by Middlesbrough. They can't possibly know what is 'likely' prior to the independent panel that they have no part in. 

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LGTL

LGTL

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Yep, Boro have the written statement from Taylor, but absolutely zero evidence to back it up. Lovely stuff. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Allow Baz to join them for a fee of around £5m, but paid for by Saints as a gesture of goodwill.

That would go a long to heal the divide IMO

To be fair I’d give them £5m + him if it got him off our hands for a season.

I might even dislike Boro slightly less. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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And still it goes on. 'strong written evidence' is essentially this one bloke unless he has written evidence from someone like Spors it isn't strong. 'At least one other team' means it's one other doesn't it 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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41 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

Also, is it even possible to hide behind an object that is substantially narrower than the individual trying to"hide"? 🤣

Have you ever seen a cat "hiding" behind a single blade of grass ?

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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If this Taylor chappie joined us from Middlesbrough and then returned after a couple of months what information could he have supplied them with about our training routines? How do his dates correspond with the matches between us?

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coalman

coalman

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

And still it goes on. 'strong written evidence' is essentially this one bloke unless he has written evidence from someone like Spors it isn't strong. 'At least one other team' means it's one other doesn't it 

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Whatever you say, Karen FC.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

Golac's Cunning Stunts

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4 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Yep, Boro have the written statement from Taylor, but absolutely zero evidence to back it up. Lovely stuff. 

How on earth would any "written statements" gathered by a club that clearly stands to benefit from them be admissible? Surely the evidence submitted should be kept to what was witnessed on the day? Surely it would be for the FA to gather further evidence if they deemed it necessary?

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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What was our longest thread ever? In 20 years this forum has existed this must have a chance of breaking the record. 

Turkish

Turkish

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They’re blaming the ref on Facebook now. If he’d have given them the penalties they should have had no one would be talking about the spying 😂😂😂

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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Oh so they’re back to trying to influence the case through local journalists again :lol:

The statement obviously didn’t have the desired impact. 

SNSUN

SNSUN

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Just now, Turkish said:

They’re blaming the ref on Facebook now. If he’d have given them the penalties they should have had no one would be talking about the spying 😂😂😂

They'll be having a go at their own ground staff next for the reason their attack couldn't get the ball in the onion bag when massively on top in the first leg. 

badgerx16

badgerx16

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15 minutes ago, Morse said:

The recent statement from Middlesboro i think is more about positioning for their inevitable legal action against Saints, than any belief the EFL will do what they want. 

What was their financial loss ?

Colinjb

Colinjb

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2 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

What was our longest thread ever? In 20 years this forum has existed this must have a chance of breaking the record. 

To give a certain thread about the blue few a run, this really would be years in the solving.

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