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Smart signing, especially on a free. Good age as well, not like a Charlie Taylor, Lallana or Romeu who joined on frees at the end of their careers.

A midfield depth of Downes, Jander, Neil and Bragg is still more than good enough to win promotion. 

Weird us signing players early and before the player they're replacing has gone. Now lets get it done.

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7 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Pretty underwhelming reel.

He's a holding midfielder mate I'm not sure how overwhelming it could be, tbh 

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1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

He's a holding midfielder mate I'm not sure how overwhelming it could be, tbh 

Seems superfluous then with downes/jander/bragg already primarily competing for that single spot in the xi most games. Unless jander/downes are off.

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1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Seems superfluous then with downes/jander/bragg already primarily competing for that single spot in the xi most games. Unless jander/downes are off.

It isn't a single spot. We play with two central midfielders in a 4231 system and Charles is seemingly going to leave. So if Neil joins, it would be 4 players for 2 spots which is reasonable. 

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4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Seems superfluous then with downes/jander/bragg already primarily competing for that single spot in the xi most games. Unless jander/downes are off.

I thought straight away this looked like his agent putting out an available message to Wolves, West Ham etc

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1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said:

I thought straight away this looked like his agent putting out an available message to Wolves, West Ham etc

He is an out of contract player, so of course he is available. Why would an agent need to invent this story for Wolves and West Ham to know that he is available? They'd know regardless that he was out if contract and even if they didn't... the agent could just tell them directly rather than making up stories in the media.

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is an out of contract player, so of course he is available. Why would an agent need to invent this story for Wolves and West Ham to know that he is available? They'd know regardless that he was out if contract and even if they didn't... the agent could just tell them directly rather than making up stories in the media.

Probably not a message about  availability, but suggestion is to either speed up Wolves/WHU to firm up or increase their offer. Is that so far fetched ? 

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It isn't a single spot. We play with two central midfielders in a 4231 system and Charles is seemingly going to leave. So if Neil joins, it would be 4 players for 2 spots which is reasonable. 

We need 2starting cm but very rarely do we need 2 holding mid spots. if Charles is to be sold we shouldn’t be replacing him with a holding midfielder.

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3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

We need 2starting cm but very rarely do we need 2 holding mid spots. if Charles is to be sold we shouldn’t be replacing him with a holding midfielder.

They are not all players who can only play as a holding midfielder role. 

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10 minutes ago, Badger said:

Probably not a message about  availability, but suggestion is to either speed up Wolves/WHU to firm up or increase their offer. Is that so far fetched ? 

If such practice was commonplace with agents leaking false claims to the press, why would the clubs take such stories seriously enough to the extent it impacts their actions? 

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Must admit I liked what I’d read about Mulligan, but Neil if true seems a sound player for us, proven Championship experience.
 

Seems too sensible for us given recruitment policy in recent years going for punts on Man City hopefuls.  

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3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

If such practice was commonplace with agents leaking false claims to the press, why would the clubs take such stories seriously enough to the extent it impacts their actions? 

Don’t know. Is there not an element of brinkmanship in these negotiations, and see who blinks first ? 

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16 minutes ago, Badger said:

Probably not a message about  availability, but suggestion is to either speed up Wolves/WHU to firm up or increase their offer. Is that so far fetched ? 

I find this hilarious 

it’s not 1986 where you only find stuff out when you get the paper. There is absolutely no need for any player or agent to our stories in the media to encourage other clubs to pull their finger out or alert clubs of a players availability 😂😂

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11 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

We need 2starting cm but very rarely do we need 2 holding mid spots. if Charles is to be sold we shouldn’t be replacing him with a holding midfielder.

I've seen him described by Sunderland fans as a 6 or an 8 so box to box or dm. Some of their fans said they preferred him as an 8 because he had the tendency to dwell on the ball and liable to give it away now and again.

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2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Must admit I liked what I’d read about Mulligan, but Neil if true seems a sound player for us, proven Championship experience.
 

Seems too sensible for us given recruitment policy in recent years going for punts on Man City hopefuls.  

In his recent interview Dragan said something along the lines of "we've learned the hard way that resale value shouldn't be the sole factor in our recruitment decisions".

It's a travesty that it's taken SR four years, two relegations, and one failed promotion attempt to conclude what everyone else in football already knew. But it's progress at least.

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7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I've seen him described by Sunderland fans as a 6 or an 8 so box to box or dm. Some of their fans said they preferred him as an 8 because he had the tendency to dwell on the ball and liable to give it away now and again.

Then I go back to my original point that his highlight reel was very underwhelming.

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Jander is a true box to box midfielder, does his best work winning the ball higher and running at opponents. Downes looks at his best in deeper areas, breaking up the play. Neil also looks good in deeper areas, but has a better passing range than Downes and is more of a playmaker. Based on what we've seen with Tonda, he sees Bragg as a defensive midfielder who sits in front of the defence and holds his position rather than marauding forward like Jander

If you want to try and get through a whole season with only Flynn Downes as your only Championship-proven DM when he is liable to sudden bouts of sickness and shitting his guts out at a moment's notice, then I'd suggest signing another known quality, good Championship midfielder is a pretty sensible way of giving yourself some insurance against those periods where Downes looks out of sorts and is ill (or suspended)

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Don't think we can be complaining about picking up a player in his mid-twenties who has got promoted out of this division the past two years.

He doesn't having the ceiling Charles has, but he meets a need and I think he'll significantly contribute.  We need to raise money this summer so the fact he's free is a huge plus and likely the reason we could get Peretz. 

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9 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Then I go back to my original point that his highlight reel was very underwhelming.

If they've played him as both then maybe he didn't get much opportunity for highlights as box to box.

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24 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said:

Don't think we can be complaining about picking up a player in his mid-twenties who has got promoted out of this division the past two years.

He doesn't having the ceiling Charles has, but he meets a need and I think he'll significantly contribute.  We need to raise money this summer so the fact he's free is a huge plus and likely the reason we could get Peretz. 

From a PSR perspective we could do a lot worse especially when you consider we'll need to recruit significantly if and when we go up.

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John Yeboah looks like he'd be worth consideration... 10 goals and 9 assists in 35 games for Venezia, proving a real handful tonight vs Germany. 

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5 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

John Yeboah looks like he'd be worth consideration... 10 goals and 9 assists in 35 games for Venezia, proving a real handful tonight vs Germany. 

Born in Germany as well so easier for a WP? Anyway, linked with Bristol City at the start of the year so we are about his level if he wants a move up.

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12 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Born in Germany as well so easier for a WP? Anyway, linked with Bristol City at the start of the year so we are about his level if he wants a move up.

Looks good, reckon we should make it happen 😏

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54 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

From a PSR perspective we could do a lot worse especially when you consider we'll need to recruit significantly if and when we go up.

PSR has been abolished as of this season, replaced by SCR (Squad Cost Ratio) rules

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Dan Neil would be an excellent signing. Would be a great bit of business if we were to sell Charles for £20million plus and replace him with Neil, gives us money to spend elsewhere (Stewart replacement!).

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46 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Dan Neil would be an excellent signing. Would be a great bit of business if we were to sell Charles for £20million plus and replace him with Neil, gives us money to spend elsewhere (Stewart replacement!).

Hasn't it been said that we need to bring in and keep cash?

On the main point though, Neil on a free and cashing in on Charles would be brilliant business. 

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13 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Pretty underwhelming reel.

Makes a change from overwhelming reels of players who have turned out to be hopeless. I’ll take it as a positive!

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What about James Justin who was on loan ? at Leicester. He was really good for them and then got an injury, then they lost their way without him

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Dan Neil would be an excellent signing. Would be a great bit of business if we were to sell Charles for £20million plus and replace him with Neil, gives us money to spend elsewhere (Stewart replacement!).

It probably means that we can keep someone like Scienza or Jander. 

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4 minutes ago, Dman said:

It probably means that we can keep someone like Scienza or Jander. 

Perhaps, it does depend if they want to stay. If they want to move it will not be good if they are not committed. Jander I feel is one who may want to move 

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Dan Neil seems like it could be a good bit of business.  Looks like he can tackle, go past players and has a decent pass on him too.  Particularly like that he can receive the ball on the half turn as well.  If we've got central midfield options of Downes, Bragg, Neil and Jander then that's a proper competitive midfield for next season.

Sort out the competition for the 10 position and a replacement for Stewart and we should be sorted.  Obviously just a case of replacing any others that leave after that.

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11 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Dan Neil seems like it could be a good bit of business.  Looks like he can tackle, go past players and has a decent pass on him too.  Particularly like that he can receive the ball on the half turn as well.  If we've got central midfield options of Downes, Bragg, Neil and Jander then that's a proper competitive midfield for next season.

Sort out the competition for the 10 position and a replacement for Stewart and we should be sorted.  Obviously just a case of replacing any others that leave after that.

Pretty much this. I expect a back up keeper will be on the list, I can’t see Ramsdale or Bazunu being here at the end of the window.

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19 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Dan Neil seems like it could be a good bit of business.  Looks like he can tackle, go past players and has a decent pass on him too.  Particularly like that he can receive the ball on the half turn as well.  If we've got central midfield options of Downes, Bragg, Neil and Jander then that's a proper competitive midfield for next season.

Sort out the competition for the 10 position and a replacement for Stewart and we should be sorted.  Obviously just a case of replacing any others that leave after that.

Yeah I think so as well. Assuming he is a replacement for Charles, whilst obviously Charles is the better player, but I don't think you'd get a much better player who is essentially a back-up to Jander. 

Brings experience of the leauge (and promotion) and leadership. You'd expect its a relatively cheap deal, feels like an absolute no-brainer. 

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3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Dan Neil would be an excellent signing. Would be a great bit of business if we were to sell Charles for £20million plus and replace him with Neil, gives us money to spend elsewhere (Stewart replacement!).

He was first choice for Sunderland in their promotion season, but hardly got a minute of PL football. He's now a free transfer but Ipswich don't rate him enough to sign him for the PL either. As we're not in the PL, perhaps that is irrelevant.

His loan spell at Ipswich saw him start just 8 out of 18 games. Of those 8 he was subbed after about an hour in 6 of them. Most of the 8 sub appearances were ten minutes or less at the end.

He played the full 90 minutes against us at SMS in the penultimate game of the season. Decent game that. Highlights are worth a watch again. 21 seconds in is him (number 6) dribbling through the middle and 40 seconds with a nice cross. 1:03 a poor first touch and 5:31 a poor headed clearance. That's about it.

 

 

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To be fair we signed on a few players that we thought were going to be utter crap but once the management side of things got settled they turned out to be okay and we also signed on players we thought woud be brilliant and errrr......

I know it's easy to say but this lad and anyone else we sign on who is new, well it depends on how they get on with the coach, the players, what they think of the area, the stadium and tons of other things. Also of course their personality.

So this player could be absolutely the most amazing and important signing this season, or just a waste of time. We can all speculate and that is fine - but it'll be kick-off time and a run of games that'll inform us.
 

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1 hour ago, Chez said:

He was first choice for Sunderland in their promotion season, but hardly got a minute of PL football. He's now a free transfer but Ipswich don't rate him enough to sign him for the PL either. As we're not in the PL, perhaps that is irrelevant.

His loan spell at Ipswich saw him start just 8 out of 18 games. Of those 8 he was subbed after about an hour in 6 of them. Most of the 8 sub appearances were ten minutes or less at the end.

He played the full 90 minutes against us at SMS in the penultimate game of the season. Decent game that. Highlights are worth a watch again. 21 seconds in is him (number 6) dribbling through the middle and 40 seconds with a nice cross. 1:03 a poor first touch and 5:31 a poor headed clearance. That's about it.

 

 

To be fair to him though he hadn't played for six months when he went on loan.Thanks for the link I'll have a look.

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