Guilty of 114 charges

[Sarnia Cherie]

City found guilty of all but 1 of the charges. 

[skintsaint]

[skintsaint]

[AlexLaw76]

Given how the world works, I assume we will be reinstated to a FA Cup final. 

[The Kraken]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Given how the world works, I assume we will be reinstated to a FA Cup final. 

Given how none of the charges relate to last season, I assume we won’t.

[Sarnia Cherie]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Given how the world works, I assume we will be reinstated to a FA Cup final. 

BBC News said clubs will be looking into some form of recompense now and why not us?

[do i not like fizzy pop]

Steady on all, 114 guilty counts of serious financial breaches pale in to insignificance compared to sending a lad with an iPhone to watch a training session. 

[Baird of the land]

After the Chelsea incident Waiting for the joke punishment.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Guilty of 114 charges?! What did Parsons confess to?!

Oh, City...

[UpweySaint]

24 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Given how none of the charges relate to last season, I assume we won’t.

Technically true and it’s never going to happen but surely if you cheat financial rules in previous seasons you still benefit from it for a number of reasons for years to come? If City don’t win their appeal I’m curious to see just how hard they get hit.

[AlexLaw76]

20 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Given how none of the charges relate to last season, I assume we won’t.

I am being flippant, (which I am sure you knew), but is there a right-hand marker for any remuneration/remedies to their shortcomings?

Their charges go up to 2023 (in some cases), does that mean they can never ever get the suggested "Asterix" next to their 2024 premier league title?

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In relation to Manchester City, the Premier League's current rules expressly preserve its ability to initiate or continue enforcement action concerning PSR breaches for seasons ending 2025/26 and earlier, even though PSRs have been replaced by the new SCR system from 2026/27. 

I am guessing not judging by your comment.

 

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Technically true and it’s never going to happen but surely if you cheat financial rules in previous seasons you still benefit from it for a number of reasons for years to come? If City don’t win their appeal I’m curious to see just how hard they get hit.

 

[coalman]

The only crime they're guilty of is caring too much about football.

[beatlesaint]

8 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

After the Chelsea incident Waiting for the joke punishment.

£500 and they have to buy the cakes for every Prem League meeting for a whole year

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, coalman said:

The only crime they're guilty of is caring too much about football.

Agreed. These charges should be ignored given the enjoyment we’ve all got from seeing them bring such amazing players to the premier league, the worlds greatest manager and entertaining us all with amazing football. Football is an entertainment industry and no one can argue they haven’t done that. So they broke a few rules? Small price to pay for what they’re done for the premier league brand globally and that’s all that matters 

[The Kraken]

What should happen is that they get a Rangers style punishment and sent down to League 2. Some of the charges are awful, it’s way beyond overspending, it’s a huge deception, corruption and then cover up of finances from Man City.

What will actually likely happen will be a massive dilution and Everton’s punishment will stay as being more severe. Much like Chelsea just got a slap on the wrist, but on a much bigger scale.

 

Edited September 25 by The Kraken

[trousers]

 

 

[die Mannyschaft]

Is getting -10 points for going into administration similar to these financial 115 breaches ? Or are City in a totally different financial situation?

So its just the Everton and Derby cases that are comparable? 

[sfc4prem]

13 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

 

Has spoken a lot of sense in the last year, this man.

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

What should happen is that they get a Rangers style punishment and sent down to League 2. Some of the charges are awful, it’s way beyond overspending, it’s a huge deception, corruption and then cover up of finances from Man City.

What will actually likely happen will be a massive dilution and Everton’s punishment will stay as being more severe. Much like Chelsea just got a slap on the wrist, but on a much bigger scale.

 

Sadly you’re probably right. I know it’s a completely different offence but it will really show how serious they are about apply the rules consistently to the big and the lesser clubs. I fully expect them to get a relatively light punishment, probably a large fine which will be a drop in the ocean to their owners and a points deduction which might mean it’s tough for them to qualify for the champions league this season. 

[Lighthouse]

I would be curious to see how many Haaland scored in the National League North, if he stayed.

[coalman]

What needs to happen is the FA dish out a punishment so severe to Eckert and Southampton such that nobody notices them letting Man City off with a slapped wrist.

[Miltonaggro]

I wonder what the Cambridge United manager and Charlie Austin have to say about this!

[DrSuess1979]

1 hour ago, do i not like fizzy pop said:

Steady on all, 114 guilty counts of serious financial breaches pale in to insignificance compared to sending a lad with an iPhone to watch a training session. 

Madness isn’t it!!!

The football world is such a toxic shit hole 

[Draino76]

6 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I wonder what the Cambridge United manager and Charlie Austin have to say about this!

We should interview this manager,  then fuck him off.

[John Boy Saint]

PL head must be spinning - many moons ago they propped up p*mpey to “protect the Premier League product” until the season ended when they naturally dropped through the trapdoor..

What damage does this do the Premier League product if they get the full force of the punishment - let them off lightly and the lid is off Pandora’s box. 
I’m just waiting for the FA to smokescreen the City hullabaloo by destroying Tonda as he’s small potatoes compared to a multi billion pound product.

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

What should happen is that they get a Rangers style punishment and sent down to League 2. Some of the charges are awful, it’s way beyond overspending, it’s a huge deception, corruption and then cover up of finances from Man City.

What will actually likely happen will be a massive dilution and Everton’s punishment will stay as being more severe. Much like Chelsea just got a slap on the wrist, but on a much bigger scale.

 

fantasy football could look very different next season........?

[bpsaint]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

Has spoken a lot of sense in the last year, this man.

Yep, big fan of Jordan these days, happy to ask the questions and state the facts most other pundits are too afraid to.

[do i not like fizzy pop]

It's all a bit ...

[Willo of Whiteley]

Relegation (which won’t happen), 114 point deduction (which won’t happen), spread over the number of years they were implicated in cheating (which won’t happen).

🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

I wonder what the Cambridge United manager and Charlie Austin have to say about this!

Don’t forget James Cordan and Roman Kemp.

[ooh it's a corner]

I find it surprising that every article on the BBC allowed a have-your-say comments section on the Spygate saga. Most of which was opposing fans laughing at Saints or baying for blood.

The multiple articles on the beeb are not opening up for public opinion on City's 115 charges result.

Funny that.

Personally I would like to see HMRC go after the "payments off record" piece and find out if anybody has got a dog with a Monaco bank account.

Obviously, that is after the expulsion from the league, removal of all titles gained, permanent ban for all directors and senior staff, worldwide FIFA ban for all good players, (unless they are English and quite useful), public flogging of all Saudi Arabian directors etc.,etc., 

Edited September 25 by ooh it's a corner

[saintant]

As Cloughie would say, 'Collect up all your medals and chuck them in the bin cos you won them by cheating'

[die Mannyschaft]

[Colinjb]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

As Cloughie would say, 'Collect up all your medals and chuck them in the bin cos you won them by cheating'

 

[Weston Super Saint]

Has James Corden given his opinion yet?  I'm not sure I can listen to anyone else's.

[Saint86]

The scale of city's breach puts spygate in perspective... Sadly too late for us to be given a reasonable sanction.

[Challenger]

3 admitted breaches V 114 denied breaches.

Get ready for the greatest one - sided  "football" match in history.

[badgerx16]

[Killers Knee]

There is precedent for clubs suing clubs guilty if cheating for loss of income, Burnley/Everton.

Should Southampton warm up the Lawyers?

2015-16. Saints took 3 of 6 from City (lost 3-1 at the Etihad, won 4-2 at home). Final table: City 66, United 66, Saints 63. United took the leftover Europa group spot after winning the FA Cup; Saints still went into the Europa League groups.

If Saints had won both, they gain 3 and City lose 3: Saints 66, United 66, City 63. Saints’ goal difference was +18 against United’s +14, so Saints would have been 4th and in the Champions League. 
 

Do we have a claim?

[Cuddles]

21 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

There is precedent for clubs suing clubs guilty if cheating for loss of income, Burnley/Everton.

Should Southampton warm up the Lawyers?

2015-16. Saints took 3 of 6 from City (lost 3-1 at the Etihad, won 4-2 at home). Final table: City 66, United 66, Saints 63. United took the leftover Europa group spot after winning the FA Cup; Saints still went into the Europa League groups.

If Saints had won both, they gain 3 and City lose 3: Saints 66, United 66, City 63. Saints’ goal difference was +18 against United’s +14, so Saints would have been 4th and in the Champions League. 
 

Do we have a claim?

Worth a no win no fee surely? Don't tell our legal team though FFS. Or Parsons.

[sfc4prem]

32 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

There is precedent for clubs suing clubs guilty if cheating for loss of income, Burnley/Everton.

Should Southampton warm up the Lawyers?

2015-16. Saints took 3 of 6 from City (lost 3-1 at the Etihad, won 4-2 at home). Final table: City 66, United 66, Saints 63. United took the leftover Europa group spot after winning the FA Cup; Saints still went into the Europa League groups.

If Saints had won both, they gain 3 and City lose 3: Saints 66, United 66, City 63. Saints’ goal difference was +18 against United’s +14, so Saints would have been 4th and in the Champions League. 
 

Do we have a claim?

That's a fucking huge claim there. Champions League is a different level of income and prestige. 

[Lighthouse]

47 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

There is precedent for clubs suing clubs guilty if cheating for loss of income, Burnley/Everton.

Should Southampton warm up the Lawyers?

2015-16. Saints took 3 of 6 from City (lost 3-1 at the Etihad, won 4-2 at home). Final table: City 66, United 66, Saints 63. United took the leftover Europa group spot after winning the FA Cup; Saints still went into the Europa League groups.

If Saints had won both, they gain 3 and City lose 3: Saints 66, United 66, City 63. Saints’ goal difference was +18 against United’s +14, so Saints would have been 4th and in the Champions League. 
 

Do we have a claim?

I did think about that season yesterday. The problem with your argument is that City got a draw with United, so if you’re applying the same logic and give United the win, they have 68 points and we still don’t get CL football.

[Wurzel]

47 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I did think about that season yesterday. The problem with your argument is that City got a draw with United, so if you’re applying the same logic and give United the win, they have 68 points and we still don’t get CL football.

How quickly faint hope can be dashed .

[SW5 SAINT]

16 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

PL head must be spinning - many moons ago they propped up p*mpey to “protect the Premier League product” until the season ended when they naturally dropped through the trapdoor..

What damage does this do the Premier League product if they get the full force of the punishment - let them off lightly and the lid is off Pandora’s box. 
I’m just waiting for the FA to smokescreen the City hullabaloo by destroying Tonda as he’s small potatoes compared to a multi billion pound product.

I remember I think about the same time as the Pompey shanagins the Premier League basically propped up a bankrupt Liverpool, saved them from going into administration to ‘protect the Premier League’ product…! Of course it will be the supporters who get  punished at City, the owners and officials will all be long gone when city are in League2….

[AlexLaw76]

 

[egg]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The Aldi SM team are brilliant. They don't give a monkeys. 

[James G]

Man city with their misdemeanors have changed the landscape of football, pushing player prices up, ultimately pushing up ticket prices and even watching Sky.

It'll be interesting to see the punishment, because theoretically, they should get relegated and all their past honours should be nullified. On top of that, the lawyer bills and incoming lawsuits will bankrupt them

They have damaged the game beyond recognition

[Cabrone]

This is even more motivation to get promoted this season, imagine a championship with City + 2 other parachute payment teams + most of the teams we are already scrapping against this season.

What a dog fight that would be.

Edited September 26 by Cabrone

[egg]

1 minute ago, Cabrone said:

This is even more motivation to get promoted this season, imagine a championship with City + 2 others + most of the teams we are scrapping against this season.

What a dog fight that would be.

Not just us. There are 16 teams in the championship who have been in the PL with City during the period of their cheating. City shouldn't be able to deprive any if them of a promotion spot. They should be dumped in league 2 and made to fight their way back.