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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Are we going to signing a 19m flip from Monaco again?
    UNlikely, Who is going to do the deals? Anyone who knew how to sign a player has left and replacement not here yet. I guess Semmens might know how to do a deal ater buying white boards for his marketing company.

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    I’d still like us to bring in a first choice right back, but with Valery back I can understand why we’re potentially sticking with what we have. However as Cedric has said he’s definitely off in the summer, I’d be doing what I could to bring in a first choice right back this window to overlap Cedric’s departure, to help bed him in before next season, and to see what he has to offer before starting next season with an untested new right back signing. Not to mention strengthen us this season. Plus Cedric can play left back if needed so it’d strengthen us there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDog07 View Post
    What happened to this?
    No idea what the club are doing now im afraid. There was 100pc an agent representing a french player, signing him up to a gym in winchester. It could be Valery i suppose, but from what i gathered, it was a new signing.

    Maybe someone pulled out or we are keeping the fact we want to spend quiet.

    It is very short sighted of the club to think we already have the answers. I will ask around.

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    Not surprised the club are not buying anyone and the continued lack of ambition is a shame as Ralph Is the best manager Saints have had since Koeman and I think he could get Saints back into Europe given the backing from the board.
    Would still like Saints to sign a commanding centre half even though the central defenders have been better recently they have rode their luck at times . This seasons best defender for Saints has been VAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    Not surprised the club are not buying anyone and the continued lack of ambition is a shame as Ralph Is the best manager Saints have had since Koeman and I think he could get Saints back into Europe given the backing from the board.
    Would still like Saints to sign a commanding centre half even though the central defenders have been better recently they have rode their luck at times . This seasons best defender for Saints has been VAR
    VAR helping us out so many times shows that our centre backs have been well positioned. If theyd been marginally playing the striker onside more, VAR would have punished us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    Not surprised the club are not buying anyone and the continued lack of ambition is a shame as Ralph Is the best manager Saints have had since Koeman and I think he could get Saints back into Europe given the backing from the board.
    Would still like Saints to sign a commanding centre half even though the central defenders have been better recently they have rode their luck at times . This seasons best defender for Saints has been VAR
    How much do you think someone who would be a commanding centre half in the PL would cost? Cos Man City are looking for one as are Arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waylander View Post
    How much do you think someone who would be a commanding centre half in the PL would cost? Cos Man City are looking for one as are Arsenal.
    How much was Van Dijk and Lovren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    How much was Van Dijk and Lovren?
    At least half what you'd have to pay for the same calibre of 'player with potential' these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    At least half what you'd have to pay for the same calibre of 'player with potential' these days?
    Yep, it’s about as relevant as saying how much was Mark Wright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    No idea what the club are doing now im afraid. There was 100pc an agent representing a french player, signing him up to a gym in winchester. It could be Valery i suppose, but from what i gathered, it was a new signing.

    Maybe someone pulled out or we are keeping the fact we want to spend quiet.

    It is very short sighted of the club to think we already have the answers. I will ask around.
    That was the proof of someone signing? That Winchester is near Southampton? Lordy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Strange that one game against a terrible championship side and Vokins is the answer, especially as we supposedly had done a deal for Aaron Bakker.

    Looks like this window will pan out exactly like all the other January ones, as predicted.
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    Have to say the tune has subtlety changed from Ralph and the Board from 2-3 players inbound to just talking about one in. I get there are budgetary limits...why would there not be? But to think that we can ride our luck without quality backup in key positions (e.g. Ings) or indeed improving the squad by buying in better quality than we have, is verging on the reckless.

    Having said that, Ralph has a real problem keeping the squad players on board when not playing...even senior players such as Yoshida and Long. Tough job, but one I’m confident he can deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Have to say the tune has subtlety changed from Ralph and the Board from 2-3 players inbound to just talking about one in. I get there are budgetary limits...why would there not be? But to think that we can ride our luck without quality backup in key positions (e.g. Ings) or indeed improving the squad by buying in better quality than we have, is verging on the reckless.

    Having said that, Ralph has a real problem keeping the squad players on board when not playing...even senior players such as Yoshida and Long. Tough job, but one I’m confident he can deal with.
    When was it said there were three players inbound? All I can recall is Ralph before Xmas saying hello wanted to bring in two players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    At least half what you'd have to pay for the same calibre of 'player with potential' these days?
    Probably right so Saints can’t afford a quality centre half and will have to get lucky with an unknown bargain or develop a youngster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    When was it said there were three players inbound? All I can recall is Ralph before Xmas saying hello wanted to bring in two players.
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    You can't prove it was the club who planted that article, you can't prove it was the marketing department that released a PR piece. No proof so it's definitely nothing to do with the club. Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    No matter how good our little run is, our squad needs serious surgery.

    That needs to start immediately.
    Sad that after a few wins the usual club back slapping by fans has started

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fookwit View Post
    Probably right so Saints can’t afford a quality centre half and will have to get lucky with an unknown bargain or develop a youngster.
    Otherwise known as Bednarek and Stephens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    Okay, I’ll take it as a given that the Telegraph article was 100% what the club told them and hasn’t been sexed up by a journalist but they haven’t said they are bringing in three players. Just that full back and CB needed addressing.

    I can’t imagine we’ll see a CB with JS/JB playing well now and 3 others not getting a game already. By all accounts we’re after full backs, so I’ll see what happens before I get too upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    You can't prove it was the club who planted that article, you can't prove it was the marketing department that released a PR piece. No proof so it's definitely nothing to do with the club. Definitely.
    Shame you're being sarcastic, as that was almost sensible.

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    Ughhhh, you don’t have to spend 40m to get a decent CB.

    If you scout correctly, you can get one for sub 10m. But we don’t anymore.

    Massive uuuuuuuggggghh that they pr1ck Gao is still here and our form has papered over the fact he’s still in charge. Best manager since RK and he has to draw out the best in a limited bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Ughhhh, you don’t have to spend 40m to get a decent CB.

    If you scout correctly, you can get one for sub 10m. But we don’t anymore.

    Massive uuuuuuuggggghh that they pr1ck Gao is still here and our form has papered over the fact he’s still in charge. Best manager since RK and he has to draw out the best in a limited bunch.
    Yup - big money players only get that way when big clubs pay big money for them (duh). There's plenty of talent out there, you just have to know what you're looking for.

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    So, bertrand on his way?

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    Im clinging to a hope that were saying we wont buy now after the 35m stuff when prices went up. And that well swoop late on in the window if theres something good. No, not looking at you, Fulham. Or you Spurs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    It sounds like the preferred candidate will not be available until the summer. As for new players, due to recent improvement in results and form, do you think that perhaps we don’t need to panic now? We all know that it is harder and more expensive to recruit in January. If Ralph has decided that he thinks this squad is ok until summer, better to wait until then instead of possibly getting stuck with more average players.

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    At the start of this window, I feared that our improvement in form would result in the club putting back attempts to improve the squad at Ralph's disposal again and it looks like that is going to be the case.

    It seems as long as Gao and the board are confident we have enough to get our 16th/17th place spot in the league they are not going to sanction spending money unnecessarily (in their view).

    Pretty short sighted and complacent in my opinion. Ralph is performing minor miracles with what he has at the moment, but as great as our current form is, surely noone is under any illusions that improvements must be made to our squad if we are to progress longer term? I think we have been fortunate this season so far with injuries but that will not last forever and looking at how threadbare we are in terms of quality in defence and midfield, just a few injuries in vulnerable positions are likely to affect us badly.

    I accept that January is not the easiest time to get players in, but I think Ralph would have expectations that he would be backed with some help by the club and if that doesn't happen, it's only a matter of time before he will be off to a club who will give him backing to bring in the players he needs (no matter what he may say in public).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    It sounds like the preferred candidate will not be available until the summer. As for new players, due to recent improvement in results and form, do you think that perhaps we don’t need to panic now? We all know that it is harder and more expensive to recruit in January. If Ralph has decided that he thinks this squad is ok until summer, better to wait until then instead of possibly getting stuck with more average players.
    Ralph said only a couple of weeks ago the squad was unbalanced. A teenage left back playing okay in what was little more than a training game doesn’t change that. Cedric is leaving, Bertrand wants too and we only an injury or red card away from having to play vestergaard again so I’m not really sure what’s changed other than a few good results, our run won’t go in forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    ^I'm inclined to go with this.^

    I'm no body language expert but he appeared genuine when he said there's a danger of blocking the development paths of Vokins and Valery if we get someone in and that he's now more inclined to think that they can provide decent back up sooner than he thought they'd be able to. He certainly didn't seem hacked off in any way.
    Good if a proper full back comes in and blocks their development. They are both cr*p and miles from PL level. Certainly for Valery anyway. He was dropped. Simple as that. He may have coincidentally been ill but he was dropped because of his array of p*ss poor performances, giving the ball away, never tracking his man and never being able to mark a single person without gifting them a goal or 2. Besides, these comments totally contradict what Ralph has said previously.

    Ralph may have seemed sincere but have you ever heard of media training and putting on a facade and a false front in front of a crowd?!

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    What a surprise. Lower, lower, lower...

    Where is Matt Crocker?

    Are they all waiting for the transfer window to finish? I suspect so.

    This club is an absolute joke. A farce under this joke, disingenuous chairman and joke ownership. Call it an overreaction (as the window is not yet over) but, on recent history, consider how many times the club use this pretext and insidious reporting tactic strategically and get away with it? Every transfer window it seems.

    Nothing makes any coherent sense from this club and the shape shifting, prevaricating, pathetic PR has misled us through every single transfer window under Gao. I accept there are sensitive matters that you have to keep private and not give away to competitors but there is a difference between doing that and taking the absolute p*ss out of the fans and manager.

    This ‘regime’ bombard us with contradicting stories and constantly lower expectations at every stage like some lying, intelligence insulting, low-budget social engineering experiment and what upsets me most is, some of you accept that as okay. Never has an ownership of Southampton seemingly (or allegedly) lied as much as the xxclub seem to right now and, worst of all, not invested a single fookin’ penny. Get this clown out of our club, now. Gao makes Lowe or Askham look like Montgomery Brewster.

    Valery and a virus is insulting to our intelligence. He was an absolute crock of sh*t & dropped. Now he is suddenly good enough again. If that is our standards & level we deem acceptable, we deserve to be in the championship or League 1. He was dropped because he was awful against Leicester and couldn’t mark a chalkboard. Then, may have got ill but who hasn’t this winter? Now the club appear to be bare faced lying, purporting Valery has been ill for two months. I don’t think so. Utter p* ss take. Take that reaction as strangely mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    It’s as if though Gao’s dynasty make outlandish claims to appease the fans and then decrease the pledge in each article, bringing any assurance of squad strengthening (or backroom staff) down and down until it reaches zero.

    Then they think we should be cool with their transparent shape shifting media games and misinformation. I can’t abide liars. Especially wealthy ones deceiving honest, hard-working people. We have enough of that on our political landscape, I don’t expect nor want that in our sporting arenas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Ralph said only a couple of weeks ago the squad was unbalanced. A teenage left back playing okay in what was little more than a training game doesn’t change that. Cedric is leaving, Bertrand wants too and we only an injury or red card away from having to play vestergaard again so I’m not really sure what’s changed other than a few good results, our run won’t go in forever.
    Absolutely. It has been made reasonably clear that Ralph is looking at full back and centre half positions being strengthened - last time I looked we have two FBs so I think most would think it not unreasonable to believe we’re looking for 2-3 players rather than the possible one. Even if it were two and we ignored the risk of Ings getting nobbled, you can’t help but feel we’re going for the cheap option once again, meaning no lessons learned.

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    This YouTube link of Adam Curtis explains how modern media works and is very much similar to much of the misleading and dishonest dialogue we now suffer in matters relating to Southampton FC

    It’s strange this style of consistently inaccurate reporting didn’t really happen to this scale three years ago so it’s definitely a recent thing. Draw your own conclusions from that.

    https://youtu.be/Gak9xiU4cpA

    This Adam Curtis link may not be football related but it should make sense to the more pensive board members. Any familiarity in this clip (the Vladislav Surkov ref) to the club’s current media campaign and similar patterns of misinformation, prevaricating and lying as witnessed in recent political events like brexit and the referendum along with every Saints transfer window under Gao?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Absolutely. It has been made reasonably clear that Ralph is looking at full back and centre half positions being strengthened - last time I looked we have two FBs so I think most would think it not unreasonable to believe we’re looking for 2-3 players rather than the possible one. Even if it were two and we ignored the risk of Ings getting nobbled, you can’t help but feel we’re going for the cheap option once again, meaning no lessons learned.
    They never, never learn. Even before Gao’s unwelcome arrival, the board pushed their luck with two successive transfer windows of selling all the top talent which was pretty disgraceful and unprecedented in quantity and fees for the PL. That was the beginning of our demise (post Markus and Cortese). It was a sad time for the Liebherr family and also for the club. When Markus died, I had no idea what was in store for us. As big a fall from grace you can get in the PL (aside from winning the league & immediately being relegated the next season). That was also the time when competency, ambition, honesty and integrity in our club died. We never heed warnings. We never seem to learn (we make do, often by the skin of our teeth) and the common denominator is, Kat Liebherr, whom was here and at times in control throughout this significant demise.

    I think much of my previous criticism of the board is proving to be fair & tangible. This new board seem to set the expectations high and bring them down, stage by stage, until we are now talking about not even signing anyone (yet again), contrary to what Ralph said prior to and during this window, even a few days previously. How much do they think the fans will take? I’m sure they know and they are closely monitoring this along with the Daily Echo.

    Glazing over everything else and forgetting every criticism I mentioned, does anyone not feel concerned that not getting to the end of the season and surviving is the issue? Not signing anyone in key positions is the issue? (a massively stupid risk if one key injury at CF, RB, LB occurs. It could totally uproot our short-term recovery). Constantly letting the fans down is an issue BUT bigger still is the consistent letting down of our manager (some may argue the point but I think it’s clear he’s had certain promises made hence why he made comments to the press and back tracked & this is yet another of those many moments). Even the most patient of people, Ralph Hasenhütl, has limits and the poor guy is under the immense pressure of the PL.

    Well, patience isn’t finite. Any other club must be surely easier than this poisoned chalice. Ralph has his hands tied behind his back, half of his squad have been sold or loaned out and I believe he was brought to the club under a false pretence. Rohl got our while he could. If I were Ralph, I would take the first semi decent offer elsewhere before a key injury or 2 sends us crashing back down into the relegation zone and he loses face as a result of a seemingly incompetent and disingenuous board full of lying & manipulative t*ssers who seemingly do not back their manager.

    Any PL or upper tier championship club coming forward with a small transfer budget and the promise of backing is surely better than this charade? A faceless and disinterested, prevaricating ex copper who sold his business partner out to be executed to save his own skin. An asset stripping owner who has not invested a penny in the club and, coincidentally of course, the media seem to now run a series of broken promises or false platitudes, possibly emanating from the clouds above Hangzhou, while staff mumble an incomprehensible script of conflicting & contradictory assurances that never come to fruition. We may as well be run by Lou Pearlman.

    If they’re not careful, Ralph will walk and then will be in a whole world of sh*t. Southampton FC must surely be the most negligent and complacent board in the Premier League? They never learn by their mistakes (as a third relegation battle suggests) and they push their luck to the absolute limit. If it wasn’t for being injury free and VAR, I dread to think.

    We shouldn’t accept this deceit and we shouldn’t allow our standards to slip this low. A good run of results over Christmas has come to bite us on the arse in this transfer window. I knew this would happen once we started winning but I had hoped, to buck the trend, our owners and board would not be such utter ****s this time. My optimism was seemingly misplaced. #GaoOut

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    Could be a case of we have to shift some to bring some in just like last summer.

    We have 28 Players in the first team according to the official website and thats not including senior players out on loan. Its a bloated squad.

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    We probably woud have had 10 million by now had Elyounoussi not injured his foot on international Duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint86 View Post
    So, bertrand on his way?
    Is this the Leicester lining up a bid for Bertrand to replace Chilwell to Chelsea tweet from click bait site?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    I knew this would happen once we started winning but I had hoped, to buck the trend, our owners and board would not be such utter ****s this time. My optimism was seemingly misplaced. #GaoOut
    I don't dispute that the media spins the crap out of the smallest detail, made worse by the blogs written by people with no journalistic ethics looking for clicks.

    However, I do think people oversimplify transfers. There are so many more factors than wanting a player.

    The board is but one factor (willingness to pay), selling club (willing to sell), other club (selling a replacement to selling club), player / players wife wanting to move, player thinking he'll be first choice (hard in a settled team), unsettling the dynamic of the team... Etc. Etc.

    Personally I don't think the board is much better or worse than any other club, they're all out (bar sheiks and Russian mafia) to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    After the Leicester loss the club via the telegraph issued a statement saying the club would allow the manager to rebuild the squad, starting in January where the most pressing issues of full back and Centre back would be addressed. They also said a new DOF and senior recruitment person would be in place before then. Failed on every count so far.
    This. Let’s hope that Ralph genuinely supports the lowering (changing) expectations message coming out of the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    Ralph did not say that Vokins was the answer he said that if a backup LB was brought in.........
    What is this ridiculous idea of buying backup? Bit like having a backup girlfriend, not as attractive as what you wanted, crap in bed and awful in the kitchen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Absolutely. It has been made reasonably clear that Ralph is looking at full back and centre half positions being strengthened - last time I looked we have two FBs so I think most would think it not unreasonable to believe we’re looking for 2-3 players rather than the possible one. Even if it were two and we ignored the risk of Ings getting nobbled, you can’t help but feel we’re going for the cheap option once again, meaning no lessons learned.
    has been the case since the summer. Especially LB. Ralph has said as such.....yet here we are, fans starting to back the club again and say what is the rush...
    no wonder SFC get away with it when the polite applause starts

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    Quote Originally Posted by skintsaint View Post
    Could be a case of we have to shift some to bring some in just like last summer.

    We have 28 Players in the first team according to the official website and thats not including senior players out on loan. Its a bloated squad.
    Aside from CBs, it is not a bloated squad. We are thin in depth and quality. Unless they have promoted up more of the youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Absolutely. It has been made reasonably clear that Ralph is looking at full back and centre half positions being strengthened - last time I looked we have two FBs so I think most would think it not unreasonable to believe we’re looking for 2-3 players rather than the possible one. Even if it were two and we ignored the risk of Ings getting nobbled, you can’t help but feel we’re going for the cheap option once again, meaning no lessons learned.
    And it was exactly the same last year, the exact same newspaper after a few bad results reported in their usual matter of fact way big talk of a restructure, new players coming in, Paul Mitchell muted for a return as director of football. Yet absolutely nothing happened. It's all wearing a bit thin now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain Perrin View Post
    I don't dispute that the media spins the crap out of the smallest detail, made worse by the blogs written by people with no journalistic ethics looking for clicks.

    However, I do think people oversimplify transfers. There are so many more factors than wanting a player.

    The board is but one factor (willingness to pay), selling club (willing to sell), other club (selling a replacement to selling club), player / players wife wanting to move, player thinking he'll be first choice (hard in a settled team), unsettling the dynamic of the team... Etc. Etc.

    Personally I don't think the board is much better or worse than any other club, they're all out (bar sheiks and Russian mafia) to make money.
    I think you're giving them too much credit. They start every window with one press impetus, then totally change and lower it stage by stage. I don't think it's connected to the complexity and obvious variables involved with the actual transfers themselves. We managed fairly well under our last ownership where Markus and Cortese just identified their target, no media games, then acquired who they needed. Can you remember back a few years? It was never the charade it is now and nothing like this.

    Are you saying you believe the massive change in tact (from signing "high energy defenders, full backs and a CB, DOF, Player Trading Expert...." to "funds are available" to "possibly may sign A player" is due to the club finding it hard to land their targets? Perhaps it is but if they offered up the money, I doubt they'd struggle. If money is available and Ralph desperately wants full backs, we would have some by now. Gao has likely not signed off anything (has he ever?!) and Ralph has had to save face and choose a different excuse so as not to look like a nugget. It's less than convincing than a 20 year old car salesman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain Perrin View Post
    I don't dispute that the media spins the crap out of the smallest detail, made worse by the blogs written by people with no journalistic ethics looking for clicks.

    However, I do think people oversimplify transfers. There are so many more factors than wanting a player.

    The board is but one factor (willingness to pay), selling club (willing to sell), other club (selling a replacement to selling club), player / players wife wanting to move, player thinking he'll be first choice (hard in a settled team), unsettling the dynamic of the team... Etc. Etc.

    Personally I don't think the board is much better or worse than any other club, they're all out (bar sheiks and Russian mafia) to make money.
    Absolutely. There is a perception that because we don't sign a player that we fans have been let down/been lied to/the club is shifting position etc. Buying players ain't like buying a mop on amazon. It's highly possible that we've been unable to get deals over the line for whatever reasons and are stating publicly that we're happy with what we have...any other message makes us a hostage to fortune if we go into the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    And it was exactly the same last year, the exact same newspaper after a few bad results reported in their usual matter of fact way big talk of a restructure, new players coming in, Paul Mitchell muted for a return as director of football. Yet absolutely nothing happened. It's all wearing a bit thin now.
    Well said and a sentiment shared. I just get particularly 'tested' by b*llsh*tters and game playing spin and our club are the epitome of that and so clearly taking the pee with this prevaricating, carrot dangling yet people continue to make excuses for them which is way more than the owners deserve. They have bought a football club, been largely mute or indirectly lied from the outset and haven't invested a penny...other than in marketing and PR. Making do and the absolutely bare minimum will lead us to relegation and no full backs and defensive back up could easily facilitate relegation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    has been the case since the summer. Especially LB. Ralph has said as such.....yet here we are, fans starting to back the club again and say what is the rush...
    no wonder SFC get away with it when the polite applause starts
    I mean why would the club plant stories in the media and then end up not signing anyone? We were told by posters on here that that was a pointless thing to do, that it doesn't work, that posters don't jump to the defence of the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Absolutely. There is a perception that because we don't sign a player that we fans have been let down/been lied to/the club is shifting position etc. Buying players ain't like buying a mop on amazon. It's highly possible that we've been unable to get deals over the line for whatever reasons and are stating publicly that we're happy with what we have...any other message makes us a hostage to fortune if we go into the market.
    That isn't the perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    That isn't the perception.
    It may not be yours, but having read this forum for years, that's the way it comes across that many think. The point is that we may be in the market, and may have been quoted daft wages, fees etc so understandably have not pursued players, and will then seek to give the impression that we're OK with what we have. That's a media manipulation that I do buy into, and agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    It may not be yours, but having read this forum for years, that's the way it comes across that many think. The point is that we may be in the market, and may have been quoted daft wages, fees etc so understandably have not pursued players, and will then seek to give the impression that we're OK with what we have. That's a media manipulation that I do buy into, and agree with.
    probably the case last summer. Ralph wanted (expected) a Left Back to sign.........We may never again sign more than the odd decent player

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    It may be worth mentioning that the November article also mentioned getting a "Player Trading Expert" in as well as Crocker.

    So far Crocker still hasn't started his role, we dont know when he's starting his role, and we know absolutely zero about what is happening in the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolan View Post
    It may be worth mentioning that the November article also mentioned getting a "Player Trading Expert" in as well as Crocker.

    So far Crocker still hasn't started his role, we dont know when he's starting his role, and we know absolutely zero about what is happening in the background.
    yeah but, the club are trying their best so why don't you (we) all be quiet.

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