CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4682697.History_repeating_for_ex_Saints_boss_Poortvliet/ Is there a pattern emerging here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 "His reputation to achieve success on limited budgets was not harmed by his time at Saints" :neutral: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 limited? thought he had no budget here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Poortvliet OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Poortvliet OUT! He sure is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Thrashed 8-0 at home the other week.....nice. I think some of our fans really would have committed suicide if that had happened to us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Thrashed 8-0 at home the other week.....nice. I think some of our fans really would have committed suicide if that had happened to us! I think many of our fans thought about it after the Watford game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Maybe just me,but i sincerely hope he turns it around,and does well. I somehow doubt it however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Maybe just me,but i sincerely hope he turns it around,and does well. I somehow doubt it however. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 got no ill-feelings for the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 got no ill-feelings for the guy Absolutely......not his fault an ego maniac gave him the chance of a lifetime but then tied both his hands behind his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Being one of the vocals who helped knife him in the back (yes WSS I got off my ass and mailed the Echo, they published and the next day "he was resigned") I hope he does pull it around. He was a good guy, who made the wrong decision at the wrong time to work for the wrong boss. Many on here will have done that in their lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 He was a good guy, who made the wrong decision at the wrong time to work for the wrong boss. And paid a nice tidy sum for the privilege!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Maybe he will get his "mate" Wotte in to help... They deserve each other..both clueless...harsh to say it but its true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 And paid a nice tidy sum for the privilege!! He actually left this country having lost money, following the compo sum he had to pay his old club. His salary was probably smaller than some people's who post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 the poor bloke is cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 And paid a nice tidy sum for the privilege!! Its Wotte who did well out of it - paid a years contract for a weeks work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 He actually left this country having lost money, following the compo sum he had to pay his old club. His salary was probably smaller than some people's who post on here. That's what I meant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 got no ill-feelings for the guy I liked the guy he gave it his best for us with a young squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 I feel sorry for him. A naive coach totally exploited by Lowe (also, I believe, deceived by Wotte too who I've met a few times & he's still around) & stitched up by Lowe's snidey hidden clauses. Divisive snake! Still, well out of his depth in the CCC as everyone but Lowe & Wilde knew. Still, facts speak loudest although the blinded arrogant probably still live in denial (& exile) & think he was unlucky & would have done well in a parallel world! Wish him well & hope he recoils some of the money. Just be more realistic in future appointments & read the small print on the contracts handed to you by smugly smiling wanna be aristocrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 I feel sorry for him. A naive coach totally exploited by Lowe (also, I believe, deceived by Wotte too who I've met a few times & he's still around) & stitched up by Lowe's snidey hidden clauses. Divisive snake! Still, well out of his depth in the CCC as everyone but Lowe & Wilde knew. Still, facts speak loudest although the blinded arrogant probably still live in denial (& exile) & think he was unlucky & would have done well in a parallel world! Wish him well & hope he recoils some of the money. Just be more realistic in future appointments & read the small print on the contracts handed to you by smugly smiling wanna be aristocrats! I think that pretty much sums it up. Seemed like a nice bloke though so I wish him and his family (cant have been easy for them having to move to Soton on £0 income!) all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 His reputation precedes him and wherever he goes he leaves a legacy of failure like a lingering bad smell. Don't buy the nice guy thing - he's not a good manager simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 His reputation precedes him and wherever he goes he leaves a legacy of failure like a lingering bad smell. Don't buy the nice guy thing - he's not a good manager simple. Same as Wotte. Wonder why he has not taken any of these huge job offers he mentioned in nearly 5 months since he left? The way he was talking you would think he would be snapped up in a instant! But of course the guy truely was a muppet and as people predicted he has not got a job, probably not been offered one and is hanging around Southampton living off the pay cheque they gave him. At least JP did not do that. The sad thing is some people actually wanted to keep him on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 And paid a nice tidy sum for the privilege!! I don't think so. He was hired because he was cheap and he had to buy himself out of his existing contract himself. Lowe did him no favours at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 lol! Rupert Lowe... total genius. lol! NOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 lol! Rupert Lowe... total genius. lol! NOT! Quite - one of his final acts of blind stupidity and incompetence whilst managing the club. Never mind, it's thankfully all in the past now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 (edited) I feel sorry for him. A naive coach totally exploited by Lowe (also, I believe, deceived by Wotte too who I've met a few times & he's still around) & stitched up by Lowe's snidey hidden clauses. Divisive snake! Still, well out of his depth in the CCC as everyone but Lowe & Wilde knew. Still, facts speak loudest although the blinded arrogant probably still live in denial (& exile) & think he was unlucky & would have done well in a parallel world! Wish him well & hope he recoils some of the money. Just be more realistic in future appointments & read the small print on the contracts handed to you by smugly smiling wanna be aristocrats! Sorry, but I think Naive flatters Jan. I think he was simply an idiot, and that's mainly because in his interview a few weeks back he claimed to not realise how high the standard of football the second tier in England was before he took the job. Frankly that was inexcusible - he was taking a job at a decent sized club in the fifth biggest league in Europe. If someone offered me a job in the, say, Egyptian first division, I know nothing about it now, but I'd bloody find out before I got on the plane*. Lowe was pigheaded and foolish and Jan's appointment was a disgrace, but Jan was no innocent victim. He is a grown man with two decades football experience behind him. His abject failure with us cannot just be attributed to others. Edited 15 October, 2009 by CB Fry *don't panic. At this stage I don't think any clubs in Egypt will be calling me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Sorry, but I think Naive flatters Jan. I think he was simply an idiot, and that's mainly because in his interview a few weeks back he claimed to not realise how high the standard of football the second tier in England was before he took the job. Frankly that was inexcusible - he was taking a job at a decent sized club in the fifth biggest league in Europe. If someone offered me a job in the, say, Egyptian first division, I know nothing about it now, but I'd bloody find out before I got on the plane*. Lowe was pigheaded and foolish and Jan's appointment was a disgrace, but Jan was no innocent victim. He is a grown man with two decades football experience behind him. His abject failure with us cannot just be attributed to others. Only at Saints eh?! Luckily, for all that ill fortune (mainly perpetuated by self serving, highly questionable businessmen plaguing the club - Askham, Lowe, Wilde, Hone, Dulieu, Richards, Wiseman & even Crouch to a certain extent), lady luck smiled on us when it mattered & Markus Liebherr saved us from certain death (when you look at the alternatives). We were well ovedue some luck & it finally came through with, IMHO, arguably the best owner & chairman in the British Fooball League. Professional, astute, successful, intelligent & ambitious. If any of our past Chairman had one of these virtues, it would have been a bonus! As for the past managers, the fans were right (predicting abject failure), The self appointed, repeatedly failing Chairman...wildly WRONG! (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbenny Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 As much as I know how much better off we are now I still cant help but think about last year when Jan's young side played Derby off the pitch at Pride Park with some of the most attractive football seen by a saints team in years. I remember the bloke behind me was practically in tears!! Lots of fans that day were saying we would make the play offs!!! I think as a coach and not manager/ Head coach Jan would be a really asset to many teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 As for the past managers, the fans were right (predicting abject failure), The self appointed, repeatedly failing Chairman...wildly WRONG! (again) Shouldn't that be Wildely wrong? The appointment of Poortvliet and Wotte probably represents the lowest point in our long history. It demonstrated a level of incompetence hard to equal, not only in the Chairman, but also in the manager he appointed. Together, they were the football equivalent of British Leyland and the Austin Allegro. But often in life, that rock bottom point is followed by an upturn and we have emerged from the wreckage of the Lowe regime with an owner that 95% of clubs will envy us having. He in turn has put in place a totally professional management structure that will turn around our fortunes in the league hierarchy and restore us back to the elite level again within 5 years. Because of Lowe and Poortvliet, we had become a laughing stock. Now we have been given respectability and are taken seriously once more. All the clowns are gone, but it is no laughing matter for Poortvliet's current club. No doubt there are those amongst their fanbase urging that he be given more time, that they don't indulge in knee-jerk reactions. He's probably meeting some of them in a bar and they are saying on their forum what a nice guy he is. Like most fans, I couldn't care a toss whether the manager was nice or not. I'll always prefer a successful bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 He actually left this country having lost money, following the compo sum he had to pay his old club. His salary was probably smaller than some people's who post on here. Yup, but some people on here actually do their jobs well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 As much as I know how much better off we are now I still cant help but think about last year when Jan's young side played Derby off the pitch at Pride Park with some of the most attractive football seen by a saints team in years. I remember the bloke behind me was practically in tears!! Lots of fans that day were saying we would make the play offs!!! I think as a coach and not manager/ Head coach Jan would be a really asset to many teams. For me it was the Birmingham game that was the best. Brum hardly touched the ball once all game - I recall shouting "you can't handle us" at their manager from a couple of rows back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Maybe just me,but i sincerely hope he turns it around,and does well. I somehow doubt it however. Hey Saint Lard it is 6.15am here in Florida as I write, I have been trying to get that damn bug off my screen for a half hour; however, I am now fully awake and have stopped beating the sxxt out of my p.c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Maybe just me,but i sincerely hope he turns it around,and does well. I somehow doubt it however. Me too, on both counts. For the first few games of last season I was amazed at how well he had the youngsters playing. Yes he was limited and knew very little about English football .... he definitely had to go .... but most of the problems we had last season were out of his control to be fair, and he seemed a decent bloke. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 So agree with many posters loved some of the football played under JP and wish him well by far the worst of the Windmill 2 was Wotte. All behind us now thank goodness, onwards and upwards...COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Got no hard feelings towards Poortvliet at all, and I hope he turns things around there. His hands were very much tied during his spell in charge here, he was unable to field some of the senior players due to orders from the powers that be, and the strong emphasis on youth meant that in reality, we never really had a chance of avoiding relegation. I do sometimes wonder how he would have faired had he had total control over team affairs. Still, all this is in the past, and I'm delighted with the current regime and the direction which the club are heading. Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 TBH I couldn't care less. Part of our history and a part I'd personally rather forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 TBH I couldn't care less. Part of our history and a part I'd personally rather forget. Look into the eyes, not around the eyes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 "His reputation to achieve success on limited budgets was not harmed by his time at Saints" :neutral: I was about to say the same thing. Fair play though at least the echo aren't being too hard on him, I felt a bit sorry for poortvliet. I think he was naive and obviously not a good manager here but he never really had a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Absolutely......not his fault an ego maniac gave him the chance of a lifetime but then tied both his hands behind his back. Agree totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Jan had us playing some nice (if ineffective at this level) football. Hope he odes well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Was meant to be a great youth coach, but was there one youngster whose got better from Jan and Wotte's caoching. Look at Lallana the past month, playing better than he ever did under the "revolutionary coaching" of last season. I couldn't care less whether he's a nice guy or not, he's in the Branfoot bracket as far as I'm concerned. Only difference is I could see why we appointed Branfoot at the time. There isn't another Chairman in the FL who'd have appointed Jan. And for all the Wotte supporters out there, with a dozen Managers losing their jobs already 5this season and even Doddsy getting a job, why has nobody snapped Wotte up yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Jan had us playing some nice (if ineffective at this level) football. Hope he odes well He had us playing ****e football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFear Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 the guy was a ridiculous and embarrassing appointment all that bull**** PR that he had done this and that on limited budgets, look at his CV FFS!! he has done **** all Lowe was must have been off his head to think this guy could cut it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 As much as I know how much better off we are now I still cant help but think about last year when Jan's young side played Derby off the pitch at Pride Park with some of the most attractive football seen by a saints team in years. I remember the bloke behind me was practically in tears!! Lots of fans that day were saying we would make the play offs!!! I think as a coach and not manager/ Head coach Jan would be a really asset to many teams. Lest we forget Reading away, I don't think I have ever seen a Saints team play better away from home. Reading were in great form at the time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Was meant to be a great youth coach, but was there one youngster whose got better from Jan and Wotte's caoching. Look at Lallana the past month, playing better than he ever did under the "revolutionary coaching" of last season. I couldn't care less whether he's a nice guy or not, he's in the Branfoot bracket as far as I'm concerned. Only difference is I could see why we appointed Branfoot at the time. There isn't another Chairman in the FL who'd have appointed Jan. And for all the Wotte supporters out there, with a dozen Managers losing their jobs already 5this season and even Doddsy getting a job, why has nobody snapped Wotte up yet? In what way was he like Branfoot? Not playing our best player??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 the guy was a ridiculous and embarrassing appointment all that bull**** PR that he had done this and that on limited budgets, look at his CV FFS!! he has done **** all Lowe was must have been off his head to think this guy could cut it World cup final? He's done more than you I bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 (edited) Jan had us playing some nice (if ineffective at this level) football. Hope he odes well Isn't he employed as a football manager rather than a poet? I can't help feeling that his verses would probably match those of Nauseus in Up Pompeii - "I was stuck for a rhyme there". Then again, his odes to Rupert Lowe (much amended), Mark Wotte (ditto) and Anthony Pulis could well be masterpieces. Edited 15 October, 2009 by Fowllyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 World cup final? He's done more than you I bet Playing and managerial CVs are very different things. How great a player (to use an obvious example) was Sir Bobby Charlton? How great a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Lowe was must have been off his head Which is why NC is such a fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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