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fair points but we have had 3different keepers and strange team selections and substitutions. The 2 all draw the other night was not down to brilliant tactics but we got out of jail.

 

It was down to players who are as they are with or without NA and his coaches. Natural player talent is the only constant in football unless you've got Sir Alex as manager but crap coaching has ruined many a promising player..

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fair points but we have had 3different keepers and strange team selections and substitutions. The 2 all draw the other night was not down to brilliant tactics but we got out of jail.

Agreed and how many games were we in a winning position and lost or drew.

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The following have voted yes to the sacking:

 

ByTheGolacs, choccyboxkid, Dalek2003, Guided Missile, JustinR, manina-pub, manji, ozzmeister, Painswick Saint, Pete Pots, Rorymac, StBaz, Window Cleaner

 

I rest my case, m'lud!

 

So ? Are we not entitled to our opinion? I've been telling you it's been coming for weeks, if you don't listen that's no skin off my nose.

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Working late shifts at the moment, and only just found out. :scared:

 

Not had much sleep, so wasn't really with it when I got up. Just logged on to see if Forren had signed, and instead see the headline topic "Adkins SACKED!!!".

 

My first thought was that this was some kind of sick joke or 'wummery'. Second thought, I must still be asleep! This is just some f*cking bizarre dream, and any moment now, I'm going to wake up, and everything will be ok. :)

 

I checked the newsnow site, and the torrent of confirmation hit me full in the face.

 

No more Nigel Adkins. :(

 

Can't believe this. Finished reading through this thread, and still not recovered from my shock. Feels like I've just lost a close friend. :(

 

Nigel Adkins. A man of relentless enthusism. A rare breath of fresh air, in a modern football world choked by the thick suffocating smog of high finance and dream chasing. A true and genuine gentleman of the modern game, who brought back that elusive 'feeel good factor' to the Club that I love. A really decent, honourable man, whose sheer enthusiasm and positivity for our Club, brought us the closest thing to a 'united fanbase' we've known for a very long time.

 

It has been my absolute pleasure to have such a man as Nigel Adkins managing my Club, and the manner and timing of his ruthless departure leaves a bitter, sour after-taste, accompanied by a feeling of thorough dejection and disenchantment.

 

Today is the day that will be looked back upon, as the one where all the momentum and feelgood factor was sucked out of the Club that we love.

 

Thanks for everything Nigel. Please know that you were truly appreciated and loved by us.

 

 

Absolutely gutted. :(

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The following have voted yes to the sacking:

 

ByTheGolacs, choccyboxkid, Dalek2003, Guided Missile, JustinR, manina-pub, manji, ozzmeister, Painswick Saint, Pete Pots, Rorymac, StBaz, Window Cleaner

 

I rest my case, m'lud!

Sorry I didnt join the pitchfork weilding rabble.

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You would have thought that the way Abramovich chooses to run Chelsea was not seen as the ideal model of how to arrange the affairs of any football club - it would seem however that Roman has a true admirer here ...

 

Although I could see him going back in November, or when this season is concluded perhaps, sacking Nigel Adkins now, after the recent creditable turnaround in our results, ranks among the worst football decisions I've seen inflicted on this grand old club in a life time spent supporting it. Comparable (if not worse) to Rupert Lowe's grave error in disposing of Nigel Pearson.

There's not a fig leaf of justification to explain this madness - just look at the indifferent record of the latest poor dupe we've now hired. All professional footballers must learn to adapt over the course of their careers to seeing managers come and go, but Adkins seemed popular with the squad and I fear tonight how many of them are going to react to this utter folly.

 

It seems to this fan that our club is in the hands of a particularly arrogant banker with less understanding of the English game (or football in general) than most of the ordinary Saints fans reading this. Just because you spend £30m on players this does not automatically guarantee instant success and a top ten finish in our first season back in the Premier League! We all know that, our Chairman obviously doesn't.

Earlier this morning, before the news broke, I said that we had a rather better than 50/50 chance of avoiding relegation this season in my opinion. There's always a price to pay for mistakes of this magnitude. I reckon the Don has now ensured those odds have reduced to 75/25 against.

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The BBC are reporting that Adkins didn't even know he'd been sacked, but found out through journalists contacting him. Classy Saints, really classy.

 

And to add to that, his replacement has been ''researching us'' for the last few weeks. There are ways to go about things, and this isn't the way.

 

I'm stunned at people who are accepting this and just going ''Oh well''. Jesus, he's been treated like a **** for achieving 2 promotions.

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I feel sad. Maybe I felt that the "together as one" would mean something. Maybe I thought we could be different from other clubs.

Maybe I felt that having made the (not easy) decision NOT to sack NA when he could have we were about to see payback and something special could happen - Hell by accident through the fair play league we could have gone into Europe next season with him.

Sadness that we felt that we had gained some Moral High Ground on our fish fiddling neighbours

 

But now we're just a part of the pack.

 

I'm sad because I honestly believe that success comes from learning from mistakes of the past. We don't need Dalek to tell us what went wrong in our relegation year.

 

I'm not angry. I should have died on the motorway on the way home this evening - a blow out on a crowded outside lane at 130kph should have wiped me out. Somehow it didn't. Anger is not in me right now.

 

I'm NOT angry, not yet. I'll give that a day or so. I am also NOT shocked - Christ it was mentioned in a thread yesterday and alluded to in another so something was clearly going on.

 

So I am sad. This new guy has one hell of a weekend ahead of him because one thing is for sure, Nige isn't coming back and NC isn't leaving this weekend

 

I'll leave being angry for when the leaks start.

Then I think if things go wrong on Monday I'll join everyone else in becoming alpine

 

Brilliant summary of what I think Phil

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My initial reaction was much the same as most on here...But on reflection and all things considered (GK **** up, huge transfer funds, good players not getting a game, weak defense, strange subs/tactics etc) I recon overall it's for the best.....Sometimes the 'right' decisions can be the hardest to make.

 

Loyalty is an honorable motive....But if you see something as a roadblock to your end goal, you have to remove it, or you'll never reach your destination.....Anyone doubting NC will reach his stated destination with Southampton, doesn't understand true drive and ambition.

 

I'm sure Nigel will have been very well compensated and won't be out of a job for long..........Another Chapter has closed and a new one has just opened.....The old bus has been parked up and we're about to continue our journey in a shiny new limo.

Good luck Nigel and Geaux Saints!

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I wonder how much this has to do with Ramires. After Cortese's glee at snapping up a bright young thing for considerable expense and the lack of performances since - I have a feeling he doesn't like being made to look like he made a poor purchase and wants someone to make him perform(who better than a Spanish speaking south American).

and you can probably throw the same argument at Mayuka. If these were both Cortese's signings so far it has hardly made him look like an astute businessman - could Adkins be the fall guy ?

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My initial reaction was much the same as most on here...But on reflection and all things considered (GK **** up, huge transfer funds, good players not getting a game, weak defense, strange subs/tactics etc) I recon overall it's for the best.....Sometimes the 'right' decisions can be the hardest to make.

 

Loyalty is an honorable motive....But if you see something as a roadblock to your end goal, you have to remove it, or you'll never reach your destination.....Anyone doubting NC will reach his stated destination with Southampton, doesn't understand true drive and ambition.

 

I'm sure Nigel will have been very well compensated and won't be out of a job for long..........Another Chapter has closed and a new one has just opened.....The old bus has been parked up and we're about to continue our journey in a shiny new limo.

Good luck Nigel and Geaux Saints!

 

Huge transfer fund? How many of those players did NA buy? None is a guess on reading what he said at the time. NC is an insecure megalomaniac who cannot stand people who do not do 100% of what he orders.

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And to add to that, his replacement has been ''researching us'' for the last few weeks. There are ways to go about things, and this isn't the way.

 

I'm stunned at people who are accepting this and just going ''Oh well''. Jesus, he's been treated like a **** for achieving 2 promotions.

 

 

 

I'm sorry but getting promoted from League 1 and the NPC with a massive budget mean nothing to me. I could have got us out of League 1 with that squad and any competent manager could have got us out of the NPC with the players he had at his disposal. Believe it or not some of them are bloody good, they're holding their own in the EPL and keeping us out of trouble. NA is an adequate manager who has been handsomely rewarded for the success that he has brought to the club. I think he had a contract until 2015 or something so willno doubt be receiving a handsome settlement. But when you don't know how to use Gaston Ramirez and JRod correctly you'll eventually get the boot. When a first class keeper is put at your disposal and you carry on with your favourite hack you eventually get the boot and a big pay off..

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I'm not at all happy about the decision, the timing, or the potential impact on our fight to avoid relegation. And I'm not happy that a thoroughly decent man (who brought a very pleasing style to our play) has been shafted.

 

However, this forum has proven time and again that it has little idea of what really goes on inside the club. For all we know, there might just be some disenchantment with Nigel among some of the key players (such as Rickie, after being left out at Chelsea) - or even a reluctance among key targets to join us. Cortese strikes me as the kind of guy who would keep his finger on the player pulse, even if the manager might view that as under-cutting his authority.

 

Say what you like about Cortese but he's not stupid. He knows that this kind of change at this stage of the season is extremely risky, and that it would create a furore among the fan base and in the media. He wouldn't have done it unless, after very careful consideration, he was convinced that it was the right thing to do.

 

That doesn't stop me from being p*ssed off about this, but it does stop me from going ballistic.

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I'm not at all happy about the decision, the timing, or the potential impact on our fight to avoid relegation. And I'm not happy that a thoroughly decent man (who brought a very pleasing style to our play) has been shafted.

 

However, this forum has proven time and again that it has little idea of what really goes on inside the club. For all we know, there might just be some disenchantment with Nigel among some of the key players (such as Rickie, after being left out at Chelsea) - or even a reluctance among key targets to join us. Cortese strikes me as the kind of guy who would keep his finger on the player pulse, even if the manager might view that as under-cutting his authority.

 

Say what you like about Cortese but he's not stupid. He knows that this kind of change at this stage of the season is extremely risky, and that it would create a furore among the fan base and in the media. He wouldn't have done it unless, after very careful consideration, he was convinced that it was the right thing to do.

 

That doesn't stop me from being p*ssed off about this, but it does stop me from going ballistic.

 

Fonte's misses has alot to answer for:p

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Lot of sense from WC CS & DPS.

 

Still sad.

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Timing is appalling.

 

Record at Espanyol this season is appalling.

 

We all rebelled at the treatment and sacking of Pardew.

 

Dubai Saints will convene in the pub earlier than usual Monday night, we'll have an open forum and discuss our official reaction.

 

Yeah, that's better.

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f ucking mental, really p 1 ssed off about this.

 

I wonder how much this has to do with Ramires. After Cortese's glee at snapping up a bright young thing for considerable expense and the lack of performances since - I have a feeling he doesn't like being made to look like he made a poor purchase and wants someone to make him perform(who better than a Spanish speaking south American).

and you can probably throw the same argument at Mayuka. If these were both Cortese's signings so far it has hardly made him look like an astute businessman - could Adkins be the fall guy ?

 

you .might be onto something there either way it sucks I wasn't adkins biggest fan at first but it was clear we we're going in the right direction gutted for him. I just prefer to see a British manager at a club that raises British talent surely It makes sense

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The following have voted yes to the sacking:

 

ByTheGolacs, choccyboxkid, Dalek2003, Guided Missile, JustinR, manina-pub, manji, ozzmeister, Painswick Saint, Pete Pots, Rorymac, StBaz, Window Cleaner

 

I rest my case, m'lud!

 

You can add me to the yes list...i voted no in a knee jerk reaction when i heard the news this morning but have since changed my mind....I now think it's the right move and for the best of the Club.....It's not nice that's for sure....But doing the 'right thing' in the big picture sometimes isn't.

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I'm not at all happy about the decision, the timing, or the potential impact on our fight to avoid relegation. And I'm not happy that a thoroughly decent man (who brought a very pleasing style to our play) has been shafted.

 

However, this forum has proven time and again that it has little idea of what really goes on inside the club. For all we know, there might just be some disenchantment with Nigel among some of the key players (such as Rickie, after being left out at Chelsea) - or even a reluctance among key targets to join us. Cortese strikes me as the kind of guy who would keep his finger on the player pulse, even if the manager might view that as under-cutting his authority.

 

Say what you like about Cortese but he's not stupid. He knows that this kind of change at this stage of the season is extremely risky, and that it would create a furore among the fan base and in the media. He wouldn't have done it unless, after very careful consideration, he was convinced that it was the right thing to do.

 

That doesn't stop me from being p*ssed off about this, but it does stop me from going ballistic.

 

I've waited a couple of hours after hearing about this before I posted. had to let all the frustration, shock, anger, disappointment etc die down first. I am still massively upset......However, if the future proves this to be a good business decision (It will never be a good moral one IMO) Then I will never bother to ever get upset at a Cortese decision again. If this somehow turns out to be a great move, then Cortese will be a god. Not a kind and benevolent one, more like the Old Testement Yahweh. A proper bastard, but still a god none the less.

 

I hope Cortese proves to be right, but whatever happens I hope this all works out for NA and he gets a better job out of this. I would love to see him come back to St. Mary's with another team and get the ovation he deserves from the fans, so at least the fans get to be heard in this.

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Does anyone seriously believe that Nigel Adkins is (or was) the best football manager in The Premier League? Every manager has his weaknesses and Nigel had his. Cortese and his advisers would have been better placed than most of us to know what they were, but even fans on here have questioned how the manager has used some of the players brought in, his team selections, formations and tactics. All of that is arguable, but if he's judged on results the fact is we are close to the relegation zone with some tough games coming up. It certainly wouldn't have made sense to wait until relegation was so close that a change of manager could not have helped.

 

Pochettino may not be the best manager in Europe either for all we know, but he does seem to have a good reputation and I can imagine the players having more respect for his playing experience, which may have been one of Nigel's weaknesses.

 

What does matter is that as fans we give our support to Southampton Football Club, not to individual players or managers who inevitably will always come and go. Sensible fans must want Pochettino to be a success because if he is, the Saints will do well. The reaction of some fans, who seem to put the interests of one manager above the interests of the team and the club looks rather immature. The last time we had a reaction against losing a manaager, prior to Pardew, was when Nigel Pearson left and although he's done OK since then and is doing very well at Leicester, NP has yet to prove himself at Prem level.

 

COYS

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1) When Adkins was appointed there was an outcry from some about the sacking of Pardew who had turned the club around, had a thumping away win last time out, and was being replaced by a nobody.

2) Plenty of people whose opinion is worth listening to think we have got an excellent replacement.

3) If we are sat 8th in the Premier League this time next year, playing great football there will not be a single voice singing Nigel Adkins songs at St Mary's.

4) If you were one of the many many posters on countless threads pre christmas saying "That's it enough's enough, get this clown out and a Premier League quality manager in" and are now saying "this is a disgrace, how could they do this to our Nige" you are a ****.

5) I wish this hadn't happened. I wish Nigel was still in charge, and I am left feeling entirely empty, whilst fearing we may well be about to enter a tailspin of epic proportions.

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I have been so proud of the club over the last 3 years, there has been a togetherness. We have been playing football the right way, and NA has the respect and support of the supporters. We have gain stability and we have been reaping the rewards on the pitch over the last few months. Really got a team who can compete in this league.

 

I am horrified by this decision made today, it really does not make any scenes at all. I do never get shocked by football anymore, but this really did. The feel good feeling I have had for years, has turned very sour. If we go down we deserve it!

 

Honestly cannot believe it, and neither can other supports, it is complete madness and embarrasses the club, our club dragged through the dirt again.

 

It is not just the sacking, but the immediate replacement.

 

Sod the bloody club.....

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f ucking mental, really p 1 ssed off about this.

 

By that logic can we all assume Pocchetino will be given his marching orders unless he returns markedly better results in the next 16 games?

 

no Cortese has made his bed and will lie in it now whatever the results are even if we get sucked back into the relegation zone which I predict we will

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1) When Adkins was appointed there was an outcry from some about the sacking of Pardew who had turned the club around, had a thumping away win last time out, and was being replaced by a nobody.

2) Plenty of people whose opinion is worth listening to think we have got an excellent replacement.

3) If we are sat 8th in the Premier League this time next year, playing great football there will not be a single voice singing Nigel Adkins songs at St Mary's.4) If you were one of the many many posters on countless threads pre christmas saying "That's it enough's enough, get this clown out and a Premier League quality manager in" and are now saying "this is a disgrace, how could they do this to our Nige" you are a ****.

5) I wish this hadn't happened. I wish Nigel was still in charge, and I am left feeling entirely empty, whilst fearing we may well be about to enter a tailspin of epic proportions.

 

On the other hand what if we are 8th in the championship next season?

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1) When Adkins was appointed there was an outcry from some about the sacking of Pardew who had turned the club around, had a thumping away win last time out, and was being replaced by a nobody.

2) Plenty of people whose opinion is worth listening to think we have got an excellent replacement.

3) If we are sat 8th in the Premier League this time next year, playing great football there will not be a single voice singing Nigel Adkins songs at St Mary's.

4) If you were one of the many many posters on countless threads pre christmas saying "That's it enough's enough, get this clown out and a Premier League quality manager in" and are now saying "this is a disgrace, how could they do this to our Nige" you are a ****.

5) I wish this hadn't happened. I wish Nigel was still in charge, and I am left feeling entirely empty, whilst fearing we may well be about to enter a tailspin of epic proportions.

 

I agree with point 2 - but we were progressing well enough imo!

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The Pardew comparison is wrong in my opinion.

 

Pardew failed the season before to get the team promoted. He started the following season badly. While the last game was a win the games previous to that were not great.

He did a great job here but he didn't meet expectations. Adkins did. There is a huge difference.

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With all this talk of ambition I take it should the new guy be a success and leave us for a bigger club, we will have not one post from the these people about loyalty in the game? Any player can go, contracts can be torn up as ambition is the way forward.

If Adkins had to go then so be it but just for once I'd like this club to show a bit of class. Adkins was a magnificent manager for us and to sack him just when we're turning a corner is at best badly timed, at worst petulant and egotistical.

The problem a lot of us have is that the new guy is an unknown quantity, if he takes us a step further then could be a shrewd move but Adkins deserved better. I'll still go to the games, get behind the new man but can't help but feel a good man has been let down. Some might want ambition, I just want to feel good about my club.

Congratulations, we've just become a low rent Chelsea...

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The Pardew comparison is wrong in my opinion.

 

Pardew failed the season before to get the team promoted. He started the following season badly. While the last game was a win the games previous to that were not great.

He did a great job here but he didn't meet expectations. Adkins did. There is a huge difference.

 

I don't think either of them meet NC expectations hence getting the heave ho

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My initial reaction was much the same as most on here...But on reflection and all things considered (GK **** up, huge transfer funds, good players not getting a game, weak defense, strange subs/tactics etc) I recon overall it's for the best.....Sometimes the 'right' decisions can be the hardest to make.

 

Loyalty is an honorable motive....But if you see something as a roadblock to your end goal, you have to remove it, or you'll never reach your destination.....Anyone doubting NC will reach his stated destination with Southampton, doesn't understand true drive and ambition.

 

 

Not a case of this then?

 

A man from outside football takes up a new role as a football chairman. He's been very successful in business. Probably in an area where a bit of arse kicking works wonders. Say financial services. He has a bit of money to spend given the level that the club is at when he starts. He has a bit of luck and picks the right people. Things go well for a few years. This football game is easy. He can do no wrong. He becomes complacent and overconfident. No need to listen to wider perceived wisdom. Better to appoint someone from left field that completely buys into his vision. Great opportunity to ditch the first bloke with his annoying old-fashioned ideas. After all up until now he can do no wrong. The new managers first few results don't go well. The fans all start to turn but what do they know. They are all smucks. Ungrateful rabble. Unfortunately the new manager doesn't have the knowledge or experience to turn it around quickly enough. The players are upset by the bad atmosphere at games, and widespread criticism in the media. Sadly the team get relegated. The better players want out, and they don't really care much what the club get out of it. Suddenly it seems to take much more money to turn the club around, than it took to maintain the upward trajectory.

 

Umm. Keep your fingers crossed on Monday night. Mine will be in the Chapel, when I've sung one song for Nigel.

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Huge transfer fund? How many of those players did NA buy? None is a guess on reading what he said at the time. NC is an insecure megalomaniac who cannot stand people who do not do 100% of what he orders.

 

Fact is NA has has 32m worth of players injected into his already decent squad...expectations were higher than the subsequent achievements ...Oh, and in my business, If anyone doesn't do 100% of what i "order", they better have a damned good reason, or they can go work elsewhere...That's life kid

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I don't think either of them meet NC expectations hence getting the heave ho

 

Which raises the question what was his expectations and if they were realistic? Surely surviving was the expectation?

If Cortese honestly thought with the squad we had just before the season started we were a top 8 finish certainty then he is more crazy then we think....

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NA has been a great servant to the club, led us to two promotions and got us on the way to premiership survival. Did he deserve to go.... probably not at this present time but he was certainly on thin ice. Nigel will get another job and I have no doubt he will be very successful. I will be writing him a letter to show him that I truly appreciate what he has done for the club. BUT... Dean Hammond was deemed not up to the Prem, Billy Sharp was deemed not up to the Prem, Dan Harding not up to the Prem. NA cut these players so he knows what a ruthless game football can be. Was he looking at other midfield targets before Hammond moved on, was he looking for other strikers before Billy Sharp left? I would say yes but all you conspiracy theorists would say NC makes all the signings. I am excited about the future of the club. We have a young manager, money to spend and a good squad.

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But if Cortese leaves...what then? The Liebherr family pull their funding and we go bankrupt? I know he's a bit of a **** but i'd rather still have him as chairman than be back in admin!

 

I'd suggest that we are more saleable now than at any point in our history.

 

Whether we still are in May remains to be seen, but even if we were relegated we'd still be an attractive proposition to anyone interested in owning a leading English club. The ground, academy and parachute payments would see to that.

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