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dubai_phil

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That's about the best review I have seen on Rickies performance. I honestly don't think if you took SRL out and inserted ANY other forward we have that there would be any more positive outcome - and actually more than likely a negative outcome because Rickie DID actually defend from corners (winning a header away at one) - Defoe could not do that or Rooney, and he did cushion and head and pass to our players nearly 100% in first half - sure so could most of the others but 100% success rate cant be bettered, he could only work with what he was given. In second half not one england player got beyond rickie in attack ever - we lacked players and ambition - so he had to play constantly back to goal passes into a crowded midfield or in crowded positions and ran doggies between their defenders. I'm sure welbeck and sturridge could run doggies better than rickie but Carroll cannot and SRL did enough to keep the ukraine defence honest. As far as attacking intent - despite receiving terrible service from so called ball players in that second half he still managed to show- just like the other strikers would have done to be fair - but at the end his presence was enough to unsettle defenders enough for lampard to get a sniff....downside was he obviously tired the last 20- the younger more athletic sturridge and welbeck would not have tired so much - but they were injured so its a mute point!

IF Sturridge plays for Liverpool Sat/Sunday though id be mightily peeved if i was Roy....

 

A lot of people are also forgetting context in their ramblings today.

 

Rickie was the ONLY option, so no matter what he MIGHT be best at it was never going to happen because, what many forget is that last night we NEEDED to DRAW.

 

The team was set up to be defensive. Rickie's MAIN job was to hassle their defenders/keeper into kicking long so our CB's could eat their forwards alive. It worked. There are few better than him at that because the OTHER thing he did was...

 

Get in the way but he did NOT dive in, he did NOT give away silly fouls (one shirt tug in the box & one mis-trap and foot out apart) Rooney would have been scything in all over the place and Wellbeck does not have the upper body strength to do that.

 

Also, notably in that first spate of corners, Rickie had TWO defenders on him whereas that left Cahill each time in one on ones. We COULD have scored from one of those.

 

He was isolated because Walcott & Milner were primarily playing as Wing Backs - The England Defensive line was very deep last night, they were afraid of the pace of the two Ukrainian Wide men. They were at least 10 yards deeper than against Moldova.

 

Rickie's job was to play as a front-line defender and MAYBE if the half chance did come he could put it away.

 

He did what his manager wanted, the moaners should actually be happy as now there is a good chance they'll get at least another 3 or 4 WC games to moan about England at.

 

Job was done.

 

Rooney wide left as he plays for Man Ure, Rickie in the centre & Wellbeck or Sturridge on the right in a home game will rip any side to shreds because England will keep a much better SHAPE.

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ottery st mary

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A lot of people are also forgetting context in their ramblings today.

 

Rickie was the ONLY option, so no matter what he MIGHT be best at it was never going to happen because, what many forget is that last night we NEEDED to DRAW.

 

The team was set up to be defensive. Rickie's MAIN job was to hassle their defenders/keeper into kicking long so our CB's could eat their forwards alive. It worked. There are few better than him at that because the OTHER thing he did was...

 

Get in the way but he did NOT dive in, he did NOT give away silly fouls (one shirt tug in the box & one mis-trap and foot out apart) Rooney would have been scything in all over the place and Wellbeck does not have the upper body strength to do that.

 

Also, notably in that first spate of corners, Rickie had TWO defenders on him whereas that left Cahill each time in one on ones. We COULD have scored from one of those.

 

He was isolated because Walcott & Milner were primarily playing as Wing Backs - The England Defensive line was very deep last night, they were afraid of the pace of the two Ukrainian Wide men. They were at least 10 yards deeper than against Moldova.

 

Rickie's job was to play as a front-line defender and MAYBE if the half chance did come he could put it away.

 

He did what his manager wanted, the moaners should actually be happy as now there is a good chance they'll get at least another 3 or 4 WC games to moan about England at.

 

Job was done.

 

Rooney wide left as he plays for Man Ure, Rickie in the centre & Wellbeck or Sturridge on the right in a home game will rip any side to shreds because England will keep a much better SHAPE.

 

phil,

 

 

With all this knowledge , expertise and coaching brilliance...there is potential to Manage /coach at a reasonable level

 

For example SWF team ..after you have gained experience at a lower level.....

 

Old Nick might be able to give you the benefit of his invaluable experience at SWF level management..

 

Defentitely potential there.....phil of the desert..

 

I like it:D

 

 

 

By the way...........Well summed ..re our SRL/England.:)

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Saint Charlie

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Just on SSN, bloke with team has spoken to Rickie. Said " RL is under no illusion of the task, knows Rooney, Sturridge and wellbeck are coming back in, Lambert also mentioned Andy Carroll when fit ". The guy really seems to have his feet on the ground and is no it going to let any disapointment get to him.

 

The last few weeks have been more than he could have hoped for really, and he will know that. At the end of the day he has scored for England twice at Wembley, versus Scotland and in a qualifier. If he doesn't play another minute for his country then Im sure he will still be ecstatic about what he has done. Rightly so.

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dubai_phil

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phil,

 

 

With all this knowledge , expertise and coaching brilliance...there is potential to Manage /coach at a reasonable level

 

For example SWF team ..after you have gained experience at a lower level.....

 

Old Nick might be able to give you the benefit of his invaluable experience at SWF level management..

 

Defentitely potential there.....phil of the desert..

 

I like it:D

 

 

 

By the way...........Well summed ..re our SRL/England.:)

 

Basil Fawlty was my inspiration. Just one of his cracking put down lines to Sybil.

Ever thought of going on Mastermind Dear? Specialist Subject - The Bleedin Obvious

 

It's great I made a whole career out of it.

 

Co-incidentally, the SWF Managerial Legends will be debating this and many other critical Tactical Points over a few pints of 6X tomorrow night in deepest darkest Salisbury.

 

We like to stay current, you never know when Opportunity may strike, we just can't decide whether to polish our cv's for Sunderland or for Man Ure at the moment.

 

And before anyone else comments, sorry, Mythbusters blew that one away, you CAN polish a turd.

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phil,

 

 

With all this knowledge , expertise and coaching brilliance...there is potential to Manage /coach at a reasonable level

 

For example SWF team ..after you have gained experience at a lower level.....

 

Old Nick might be able to give you the benefit of his invaluable experience at SWF level management..

 

Defentitely potential there.....phil of the desert..

 

I like it:D

 

 

 

By the way...........Well summed ..re our SRL/England.:)

His boys took one hell of a beating, my team of SW lions gave his team a beating, it was not their fault as they were led by a donkey
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The last few weeks have been more than he could have hoped for really, and he will know that. At the end of the day he has scored for England twice at Wembley, versus Scotland and in a qualifier. If he doesn't play another minute for his country then Im sure he will still be ecstatic about what he has done. Rightly so.

 

Scoring the winner against the old enemy and a goal and two assists in a World Cup qualifier.

 

As you say if he never plays again I'm sure he would have taken that a year ago.

 

If he can do the business for the Saints in the next few weeks I think he will make the next squad.

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And Lambert

 

I think we need a bit if perspective that most of us lack TBH

 

Everyone you mentioned was equally poor, but from what I saw Lambert had a bad game aswell. The result wasnt his fault, but as I said he was equally as poor as the rest

 

If you only watched or judged the second half performance that is true.

If you watched or judged the first half performance there is absolutely no way you could come to that conclusion.

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The team was set up to be defensive. Rickie's MAIN job was to hassle their defenders/keeper into kicking long so our CB's could eat their forwards alive. It worked. There are few better than him at that because the OTHER thing he did was...

 

Get in the way but he did NOT dive in, he did NOT give away silly fouls (one shirt tug in the box & one mis-trap and foot out apart) Rooney would have been scything in all over the place and Wellbeck does not have the upper body strength to do that.

 

Did you also notice that he concentrated his attention on the better passer of the two centre backs so that their balls forward weren't as good?

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Did you also notice that he concentrated his attention on the better passer of the two centre backs so that their balls forward weren't as good?

 

 

Ah no. But now you mention yes.

Player who does what manager asks will go far - look at Milner

 

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Hodgson's immediate explanation for England's failure to muster more than a single shot on goal centred on the absence of three strikers but Rickie Lambert, who had a better game than Wayne Rooney in the same stadium 14 months ago, is not the problem here. It is in that midfield, the most important part of any aspirant top level football team, that the real fault-lines were exposed. It is here that the tempo and texture of a match is decided and it was here that England looked like a team with no real idea how they planned to move the ball among themselves, lacking not just coherent attacking patterns but any rhythm or purpose in possession.

 

Above is an excerpt from an article from The Guardian. Not strictly about Rickie but highlights where the real problem with England's performance lay.

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62a26d955da6594467ca9be4474cdbc3_normal.pngThe FA ‏@FA

#England captain Steven Gerrard looking forward to welcoming back strikers next month for more 'cutting edge' http://po.st/mxMTrr

http://www.thefa.com/england/News/2013/steven-gerrard-rooney-sturridge-120913.aspx

 

England captain Steven Gerrard is looking forward to welcoming back some extra attackers for next month’s crucial World Cup qualifiers.

 

The Three Lions will host Montenegro and Poland at Wembley in October knowing that two wins will be enough to secure their place in Brazil next summer.

 

Both Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney and Gerrard’s in-form Liverpool team-mate Daniel Sturridge were missing for the games with Moldova and Ukraine this week and Danny Welbeck was suspended for the match in Kiev.

 

But with four weeks until the next games, Gerrard is confident the injured duo will be back along with Welbeck for the Group H showdown.

 

He said: "If we can get Rooney and Sturridge fit, they will be two big players for us.

 

“The stage is set for Daniel if he can get himself fit - he is in terrific form.

 

“They are the type of players you will need to break down the two teams we are coming up against.

 

"I think we lacked a little bit of a cutting edge in the final third against Ukraine, but that isn't a worry because there are some big players missing for England at the moment.”

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Sturridge is his Liverpool teammate. This whole saga is why i dont want Saints players in the England squad.

I did notice that Cole never tried to pass to RL.

It was also interesting that the tv pundits mentioned that there was a better team spirit. Perhaps the big heads not being there, made them more of a team. (although Cole may fit in the big heads)

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Sturridge is his Liverpool teammate. This whole saga is why i dont want Saints players in the England squad.

I did notice that Cole never tried to pass to RL.

It was also interesting that the tv pundits mentioned that there was a better team spirit. Perhaps the big heads not being there, made them more of a team. (although Cole may fit in the big heads)

 

That is the most rediculous thing Ive ever heard

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in that I quoted what the pundits had said or that Cole did not pass to RL

And this is coming from someone who made a statement about the game only after watching the 2nd half lol

 

Im talking about the conspiracy that Gerrard wants better options upfront with the return of Sturridge, Welbeck and Rooney who are in all honesty better options that you have described as the fact that SG wants his 'mates' back despite the fact its been reported and looks as though RL gets on very well with the England team.

 

And then some crap about the fact that Cole didnt pass to him as being some form of old boys club bullying ?

 

Yes I only saw the second, all I can say is that he must have been excellent in the first as his 2nd half performance was poor

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Im talking about the conspiracy that Gerrard wants better options upfront with the return of Sturridge, Welbeck and Rooney who are in all honesty better options that you have described as the fact that SG wants his 'mates' back despite the fact its been reported and looks as though RL gets on very well with the England team.

 

And then some crap about the fact that Cole didnt pass to him as being some form of old boys club bullying ?

 

Yes I only saw the second, all I can say is that he must have been excellent in the first as his 2nd half performance was poor

 

I watched the whole match intently, especially every touch Rickie had or even if the ball went near him. My kids and I were on "Rickie" watch like that zidane movie basically.

 

Rickie did not do anything "wrong" in whole first half and showed good technique awareness and athleticsm. Ball retention was excellent - 100% pass completion, he made the ONLY threatening pass of the entire match which put Theo through on goal with a skilful over the shoulder chip and basically harried off the ball effectively too. He had NO goal chances. No service to score in dangerous places apart from corners ( which he made at least two happen himself). In the first half he was our most effective player in his position for me. I would give him a 7 for that first half - with most our team on 5 or 6, and give him a 5 for second half - but nobody else in the team got higher than a 5 in second half in my opinion either, so he did not stick out as the duff player in a team of otherwise fantastic talents at all. In fact when gets back to playing Sunday it will be with a team with far superior ball possession and retention characteristics- a more technically able team basically. He was made to look bad because of the tactics and being isolated up front by himself - Welbeck or Sturridge would have not done any better and quite likely worse given the type of game Lambert was forced to play.

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Goalkeepers

Fraser Forster, Joe Hart, John Ruddy

 

Defenders

Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Phil Jagielka, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Kyle Walker

 

Midfielders

Ross Barkley, Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, James Milner, Andros Townsend, Jack Wilshere

 

Forwards

Jermain Defoe, Rickie Lambert, Wayne Rooney, Daniel Sturridge, Daniel Welbeck

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8 central midfielders???

 

Townsend, Milner, Barkley can all play on the wing, plus Cleverly. Ridiculous though really, Dyer could maybe have got a call up.

Also, chances are he'll use Welbeck, Rooney or Sturridge as wide forwards.

 

Kyle Walker at right back still is a concern, although there's only Clyne challenging and he hasn't exactly been outstanding, just solid.

Hopefully Forster will get a chance in goal after his top performances recently and Joe Hart making more cock ups.

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All well and good saying Hart should be dropped, but who do you pick instead of him? Fraser Forster is the keeper in fashion at the moment, but aside from 6 "nothing to lose against clearly superior opposition" games a season he isn't being tested on a regular basis while he's north of the border. He's not even been given a go in friendlies yet, so I don't see how anyone could justify throwing him into the two biggest games of this qualifying campaign.

 

The last manager to do something similar was Steve McClaren, and that ended well...

 

Oh, and Cleverley was dropped for the last game.

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Joe Hart needs to be dropped. Especially based on his last few games. Him and Cleverly have to be among the most over-rated players right now.

 

Exactly who over-rates Cleverly? All i keep hearing about is how crap he is and how he should be no where near the England and Man United teams. It seems he is in fact massively underrated and that the clueless dinlows that have managed the biggest club in Britain and the national team for the last 2 or 3 seasons see something in him that the football genuises that inhabit mongboards and radio phone ins dont.

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All well and good saying Hart should be dropped, but who do you pick instead of him? Fraser Forster is the keeper in fashion at the moment, but aside from 6 "nothing to lose against clearly superior opposition" games a season he isn't being tested on a regular basis while he's north of the border. He's not even been given a go in friendlies yet, so I don't see how anyone could justify throwing him into the two biggest games of this qualifying campaign.

 

The last manager to do something similar was Steve McClaren, and that ended well...

 

Oh, and Cleverley was dropped for the last game.

 

Exactly. Fraser Forster was great against Barca this year & last but doesnt face a top level of opposition week in week out. It would be good to see him in the squad for the 2 games but first 11 - not yet.

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Nothing against Lampard , but he really shouldn't be starting as a holding midfielder, bit of a passenger when played there. Right back looks weak, Walker isn't that good and the thought of having one of Smalling or Jones playing there in a crucial international is scary. Shaw and Clyne can't be too far off that squad, Shaw should be a shoe in after the World cup.

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Front three of Welbec left, Lambert Centre and Sturridge right? Rooney will cry off and we need width from somewhere as the midfield sure as hell won't be supplying it.

 

Hart has to stay in goal as the other options are not proven if we had a top notch reserve with high level experience chomping at the bit then I'd say go for it but we clearly don't have that luxury!

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I think Lampard and Lambert should be first names on the plane to Brazil (if we get there).

 

They shouldn't necessary start but to have them on the bench to take penalties and to benefit from the experience of Lampard and the ability to hold the ball up of SRL they would be the sensible subs this summer.

 

Although saying that getting past the group stage could be tricky this summer relying on the likes of Welbeck, Cleverly and an ageing Gerrard.

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----------Hart------------

Walker Cahill Jagielka Baines

-----Carrick-Gerrard------

Welbeck-Wilshere-Sturridge-

---------Rooney---------

 

Thats my team anyway. Possibly put Sturridge up top, Townsend out left and Rooney in the hole and one of the CM's drops out, probably Carrick.

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