buctootim Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 It seems that we beat the scousers to Bertrand. They wanted him too. And Spurs. If it makes Pochettino's job harder its worthwhile. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mauricio-pochettino-haunt-southampton-again-3633022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2014 We sell a newly established England international for £30m and bring in a champions league winner with more than 50 premier league games under his belt and two England caps to his name, yet people are moaning because he's not some foreign export that cost £10m. This is a very very very good piece of business, if he's bad then we don't have to buy, SHOULD he do well then we can sign him for a cut-price fee. Now, I know it's hard for many to take in, but our ambition is not the same, perhaps signing him on a season long loan means more money is free'd up elsewhere to sign that 'marquee' player or two. dont make out he is champions league class he is going to get loads of support at saints. you dont need to over egg it for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 just wonder why it took so long to seal a loan deal in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Write the poor bastard off before he's kicked a ball. FFS, there are some utter c***s on this forum. Welcome Ryan. Hope you don't read this forum and if you do, ignore the w a n k e r s. I think most are underwhelmed, its not Ryans fault, I think he'll be solid enough. However, its pretty underwhelming after the losses and 90m in the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Don't know what everyone was expecting, there's not too many quality left backs around. Welcome Ryan. It's a good opportunity for him to get regular football. Whoever we got in was going to be a downgrade. We need a bit of perspective, I think it could be a decent signing, and it means we still have some funds in the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 It's a loan with a view to a permanent move. Nothing wrong with biding our time whilst he wears the shirt. If it is then fair enough, but didn't see that on the official site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 just wonder why it took so long to seal a loan deal in ? Would imagine it's because we wouldn't pay what Sporting wanted for Rojo, so opted for a quick loan fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 (edited) ... Edited 30 July, 2014 by buctootim double post, dunno how it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 This is a good signing in my book, and as has been referenced the loan route gives Targett time to develop and challenge Bertrand for the left back position. Bizarre that so many people are negative. One point that has been missed......this came right out of the blue and shows that the club may well have other deals brewing that are not in the rumour mill..... Quote from Koeman in the the club statement “I’ve been very impressed with how Matt Targett is doing in pre-season, but he is still young and developing, which I am sure he will continue to do over the coming seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 What an unsavoury response to what is a solid signing - one good season and you lot start sounding like a bunch of spoilt brats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Loan is decent news for us, he's now the one player the board can't sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Simon Peach says there is an option to buy for 10m if his loan is successful. That seems like an awful lot. England premium I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 And Spurs. If it makes Pochettino's job harder its worthwhile. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mauricio-pochettino-haunt-southampton-again-3633022 They got Ben Davies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Makes sense to get a loan if Targett turns out to be decent. Couldn't say what he's like as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Would imagine it's because we wouldn't pay what Sporting wanted for Rojo, so opted for a quick loan fix. Rojo is primarily a CB, who can play LB. I doubt it matters either way as it is unlikely we'll pay what Sporting want for him (16m, was it?) IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Christ. You guys are fickle. I remember we got Jack Cork on loan once from Chelsea. That turned out OK didn't it ? And it was Jack who said we should sign Bertrand a year or so ago. They are mates and Jack follows Ryan on twitter as does Franny Benali who is an admirer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Plus would rather have him as a loan and save the big money for worldie players Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 He's alright, nothing special though. Villa fans didn't want him anywhere near their team again, which rings a few alarm bells Where did you hear/read that? I know a fair few villa fans and watched them a de times last year and he was one of the better players!! They're all disappointed he didn't come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Rojo is primarily a CB, who can play LB. I doubt it matters either way as it is unlikely we'll pay what Sporting want for him (16m, was it?) IMO despite playing most of his career at LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 You said he is not getting a great reception because he was the first player in. He isn't so what is the reason? You don't have to use expletives to explain I'm sure. If you look after my post several other posters made exactly the same comment. I think most of the underwhelming comments are partly due to him being a loan and maybe reflective of the clubs way forwards as opposed to being directed at the new player himself. I for one wish him the best and hope we have a few more to follow. Ralph said three by the end of the week so we should know shortly. What I was attempting to say was that after the ****e start to the summer things looked up with the appointment of Koeman and the two signings you mention, but with the bad taste of Lovren throwing his toys out of the pram, the sale of Chambers and then yesterday's events, coupled with the fact that even if we hadn't sold anyone this season we'd have needed a few reinforcements, it's unsurprising that this has had a mixed reaction. If he'd have been signed at the same time as Tadic and Pelle he'd probably be getting a better reception. We'll need a few more in the door before I and many others on here are happy, not to mention reassured that what the board are saying is anything but waffle to appease the fans. Oh and one other thing, does anyone else think that if Bertrand had been our first choice replacement for Shaw we'd have just bought him outright? It's not like we're taking a punt on someone with no Premier League experience where's there's a reasonable element of risk involved is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 I wonder why no comment from Les. Has he been scaled back like Ralph was originally? Guan did suggest some subtle boardroom manoeuvring may happen this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 That seems like an awful lot. England premium I suppose. It's an option, if he has a successful season he will be worth £10m. On the flip side, if someone bought Clyne for £10m tomorrow how would you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 He's alright, nothing special though. Villa fans didn't want him anywhere near their team again. Fact or apocryphal tale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Not just us then....Fourth Official @FourthOfficial_ 51s Everton loan people and everyone moans, Everton sign them and everyone continues to moan about them spending too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 What an unsavoury response to what is a solid signing - one good season and you lot start sounding like a bunch of spoilt brats There does seem to be an element of that. Some of our fan base do seem to have ideas well above the clubs station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 That seems like an awful lot. England premium I suppose. Perhaps the reason we arranged a loan, see if he is worth it before paying up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Good signing with a big "upside" - still only 24 and the chance to get back to the level he was at not so very long ago. Defends pretty well and pacy pushing forward (and getting back). This takes a little pressure off the Board and buys them some time to pursue the quality we're supposedly seeking in some other positions. But, of course, there's no pleasing some of the folks who overreacted like spoilt kids yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Excellent business. A good solid full back to keep the seat warm whilst we blood targett. Option to buy if he's not ready by then or send him back with targett established as number one. Great foresight, can only be the work of one man. Les 'bates' Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 The importance is to get in players ready to begin on 16th August. That gives us more time for the bidding for other players and getting them at the right price before the window closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Good signing, the lad has potential. Get him to focus on knuckling down and ousting Fatboy Shaw from the England setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Fact or apocryphal tale? Bertrand off to Southampton on loan. From his loan, o.k player, nothing more than that. from a villa fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 It's an option, if he has a successful season he will be worth £10m. On the flip side, if someone bought Clyne for £10m tomorrow how would you feel? Clyne is better than Bertrand from what I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Where did you hear/read that? I know a fair few villa fans and watched them a de times last year and he was one of the better players!! They're all disappointed he didn't come back There's a big thread on him on their forums, some thought he was ok but the majority thought he was average and didn't really want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 from a villa fan One fan then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 And it was Jack who said we should sign Bertrand a year or so ago. They are mates and Jack follows Ryan on twitter as does Franny Benali who is an admirer. Now I will be watching closely for Benali-style scythings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 hmm i thought he was crap and why are we doing loans? going backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Not just us then....Fourth Official @FourthOfficial_ 51s Everton loan people and everyone moans, Everton sign them and everyone continues to moan about them spending too much I don't think anyone would moan about us spending too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Solid enough. Presumably can't play against Chelsea though, so that's Targett pencilled in for two of the hardest games of the season Good point. Those game will be fun I'm still happy to wait a few weeks to see what the board and Koeman can provide in terms of incoming players, but this is pretty underwhelming, both from a playing and PR point of view - sell your left back for £27m and replace him with a freebie on loan for a year that has hardly played any PL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Write the poor bastard off before he's kicked a ball. FFS, there are some utter c***s on this forum. Welcome Ryan. Hope you don't read this forum and if you do, ignore the w a n k e r s. Probably the same ones that said last season the Lovren was ****e before he kicked a ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Saint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Geez, how many LB's do Spurs have already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Check out Bertrands best mate iamescobar on Instagram and you will understand why he has his career is upside down. It's all about the champagne, hos and partying for Mr B judging by the faux gangsta company he is keeping. Should be an excellent role model for the academy boys and excellent due diligence by Les Greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2014 One fan then? one that I could be bothered to quote most thought he was OK and one of their better players in a god awful team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 There's a big thread on him on their forums, some thought he was ok but the majority thought he was average and didn't really want him back. Stick a link up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 There does seem to be an element of that. Some of our fan base do seem to have ideas well above the clubs station. Probably fostered from signing quality like lovren and wanyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 There's a big thread on him on their forums, some thought he was ok but the majority thought he was average and didn't really want him back. In other words, a mixed opinion - a common theme on here it seems. Personally I haven't followed him very closely but I am willing to wait and see for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Rojo is primarily a CB, who can play LB. I doubt it matters either way as it is unlikely we'll pay what Sporting want for him (16m, was it?) IMO If this board still has ambitions they will have to spend money and with all that is going on i think they need to cough up that type of money...he's a bloody good player so its worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 He's certainly no worse than Ben Davies. I think it's a good signing - he's still relatively young, he's English, has played 50 games in the Premier League and won the champions league - plus he sounds like he wants to be here - which makes him a Saint in my books. And if he shows half the commitment of Benali he will be great for us. He can play at left fullback and left wingback so we still might bring in Rojo to play left fullback and or left centreback. I am sure Koeman wants the option of being able to play 3 at the back with wing backs. And maybe we've realised our youth players aren't all ready to be thrown in at the deep end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 I don't think anyone would moan about us spending too much! Oh they did on JayRod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Crikey, he's going to have to go some to be worth £10m though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 30 July, 2014 Share Posted 30 July, 2014 Clyne is better than Bertrand from what I have seen. Which is why we're taking Bertrand on loan and have the option to buy. What if he has a good season and turns out to be as good as Clyne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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