The Cat Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 "The pundits say if a player feels contact they have the right to go down, look at Kane today and many other games where it happens." Nobody 'has the right to go down'. It's cheating and wrong. I agree. Anyone diving is a disgrace. Mane is horrific at it and it winds me right up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Also I hate Rogers the most biased un gracious manager out there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Also I hate Rogers the most biased un gracious manager out there ! Tactically outclassed Koeman today though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Tactically outclassed Koeman today though. Wasn't difficult though was it, at least Rogers doesn't have a Dutch fixation, more a Southampton fixation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Can't say I never warned you all. 16-02-2015, 07:52 PM #101 ART Liverpool lover Kevin Friend is referee for the game. Not good news. 16-02-2015, 08:00 PM #102 hasper57saint Quote Originally Posted by ART View Post Liverpool lover Kevin Friend is referee for the game. Not good news. He's never been a 'friend' of ours. 16-02-2015, 08:27 PM #103 Matthew Le God Quote Originally Posted by ART View Post Liverpool lover Kevin Friend is referee for the game. Not good news. On what is that based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Like everyone else I was shouting at the ref, but I thought the most obvious pen was theirs. I can see why he didn't give the first,,the second was one of those that had the ball not rolled to Elias he might have thought ant giving it. I also Elias should have made more of the chance when Minuelet handballed. He should have brought that ball down better and scored. Fonte and Yoshida had excellent games. They were left very exposed, but cut out so many attacks. Targett doesn't look,quite ready to me and Clyne has been off par since the England outing. Morgan was heavily at fault for the second and he needs to get back up to speed as he has struggled in the games since his injury. Pelle continues to look unlikely to score. I don't agree he needs to be taken out of the side as we thump it long a lot and need him in both boxes, but he does,need to get back to his super finishing earlier games. Hate losing to Brenda. He's such a ****, but Liverpool are on fire right now and sadly at the wrong time we are fading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 I despise football when you get refs that are so blatantly corrupt as Friend! If he gets the decision right after 20 secs, we don't lose that match!! This if we lost to a better team or better tactics so be it, but I feel robbed today I like sky trying to even the decision out, by saying fontes was a pen when he clearly got the ball first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Wasn't difficult though was it, at least Rogers doesn't have a Dutch fixation, more a Southampton fixation. Would you rather Koeman bought in players from South America that he has no previous experience of? I'm not sure that it's Koeman with the 'fixation'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Like everyone else I was shouting at the ref, but I thought the most obvious pen was theirs. I can see why he didn't give the first,,the second was one of those that had the ball not rolled to Elias he might have thought ant giving it. I also Elias should have made more of the chance when Minuelet handballed. He should have brought that ball down better and scored. Fonte and Yoshida had excellent games. They were left very exposed, but cut out so many attacks. Targett doesn't look,quite ready to me and Clyne has been off par since the England outing. Morgan was heavily at fault for the second and he needs to get back up to speed as he has struggled in the games since his injury. Pelle continues to look unlikely to score. I don't agree he needs to be taken out of the side as we thump it long a lot and need him in both boxes, but he does,need to get back to his super finishing earlier games. Hate losing to Brenda. He's such a ****, but Liverpool are on fire right now and sadly at the wrong time we are fading. I saw their penalty shout back, and it was a good tackle. Depends on which angle you're at, but he clearly wins the ball first and it's the follow through which brought him down - and on a wet skiddy surface, he couldn't have helped that. Deserved not to be a pen based on the well timed tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 I agree. Anyone diving is a disgrace. Mane is horrific at it and it winds me right up. Likewise. It won't be long before he has a very bad reputation,and ours is tarnished too. Embarrassing what these players do these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Will somebody please HAVE A SHOT! Pretty please, with laces on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 I saw their penalty shout back, and it was a good tackle. Depends on which angle you're at, but he clearly wins the ball first and it's the follow through which brought him down - and on a wet skiddy surface, he couldn't have helped that. Deserved not to be a pen based on the well timed tackle. He certainly did get the ball first, just, but that doesn't matter. It's a reckless tackle and the laws of the game say that's a free kick or pen. I think we've had some, luck go our way with pens not being given, so you have to suck it up rather than take the Mourinho way of crying like a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 He certainly did get the ball first, just, but that doesn't matter. It's a reckless tackle and the laws of the game say that's a free kick or pen. I think we've had some, luck go our way with pens not being given, so you have to suck it up rather than take the Mourinho way of crying like a baby. It was never a pen, even the pundits on Sky said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 We're in a real fight just to get a Europa spot now. Ref was awful, but we never looked like putting the ball in the net. Our lack of striking options is now starting to show. Looks like 7th is the best we can hope for, a real disappointment after our great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 The referee was a disgrace. but we have GOT to get over losing those players last summer. Any player that leaves is just history, nothing more. I don't care how they left - it's done. the booing created an atmosphere today and it clearly affects our team more than the idiots it is aimed at. and now I have to go into work tomorrow where the plastic scouse is going to be absolutely f*cking insufferable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 We are being refed out of the top 4. Keep an eye on this over the coming weeks. And we don't shoot. Guys, I just wanted to know, but why does the Premier League not want us to upset the cartel? Why do the Prem just want to keep an established 'Top 6'? It frustrates me but no one ever seems to give an answer to this. Is there a financial benefit for the FA/Prem if we don't upset the order? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 "The pundits say if a player feels contact they have the right to go down, look at Kane today and many other games where it happens." Nobody 'has the right to go down'. It's cheating and wrong. I would love to go ask to when a batsman walks, sadly the world has moved on. The fact is the defender was impeding our forward and so he tried to get the penalty. If everyone played by the rules then fine. Our player didn't go down without contact, when they do then I deplore it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 We need to start with our best eleven. I love Ronald to bits but he got it badly wrong today. To many out of form players getting games ie Pelle, JWP, Davies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Guys, I just wanted to know, but why does the Premier League not want us to upset the cartel? Why do the Prem just want to keep an established 'Top 6'? It frustrates me but no one ever seems to give an answer to this. Is there a financial benefit for the FA/Prem if we don't upset the order? Thanks. The short answer is... Yes. The big name clubs get more coverage overseas and the a TV companies can charge more for the coverage that they sell to pubs and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 never looked like scoring pelle was virtually a spectator for most of the game and is simply not up to being the lone striker! we are calling out for a decent striker to play alongside him, strange line up and decisions by koeman today but even the best have off days, that's our last three home games lost, not looking like scoring and not keeping clean sheets either.......... worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Why was Allen allowed to make important fouls on the edge of the box and not get booked. Another example of the ref being useless and Rodgers talking ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Guys, I just wanted to know, but why does the Premier League not want us to upset the cartel? Why do the Prem just want to keep an established 'Top 6'? It frustrates me but no one ever seems to give an answer to this. Is there a financial benefit for the FA/Prem if we don't upset the order? Thanks. You're asking the wrong questions. The Premier League does not "not want us to upset the top 6". Paranoid nonsense. However BT Sport wouldn't want us to get in the Champions League because it fu cks up their business plan for next season. They'd want a big team with a big following to get in. But that's not the same as what you are insinuating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 The short answer is... Yes. The big name clubs get more coverage overseas and the a TV companies can charge more for the coverage that they sell to pubs and such. You do realise Man United will still be in the Premier League next season, regardless of whether they finish 4th, 5th or 11th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Koeman post match interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45B91Gvlp_M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 You do realise Man United will still be in the Premier League next season, regardless of whether they finish 4th, 5th or 11th? But then they wouldn't be in Europe (don't start ) either. We just have to face the fact that we are not the big draw that the big clubs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 You're asking the wrong questions. The Premier League does not "not want us to upset the top 6". Paranoid nonsense. However BT Sport wouldn't want us to get in the Champions League because it fu cks up their business plan for next season. They'd want a big team with a big following to get in. But that's not the same as what you are insinuating. ah well thank you for your response- maybe all these crap riffing performances are something we say to feel better about ourselves. still pis*ed off about today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Disappointing as that result was, it's still all there to play for. Liverpool have some tough matches in their next 5 PL fixtures - City (H), Burley (H), Swansea (A), Man U (H), Arsenal (A). Spurs have a much easier set - Man U (A) being the hardest, with Swansea and Leicester at home, QPR and Burley away. Our next five are not so bad, only Chelsea away out of the top 12. It's all if's but's and maybe's, but it certainly not all gone. What a position to be in, given where we were 6 weeks before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Disappointing as that result was, it's still all there to play for. Liverpool have some tough matches in their next 5 PL fixtures - City (H), Burley (H), Swansea (A), Man U (H), Arsenal (A). Spurs have a much easier set - Man U (A) being the hardest, with Swansea and Leicester at home, QPR and Burley away. Our next five are not so bad, only Chelsea away out of the top 12. It's all if's but's and maybe's, but it certainly not all gone. What a position to be in, given where we were 6 weeks before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 It was never a pen, even the pundits on Sky said so. Are these the same pundits that say it's ok to fall if you feel the faintest touch even if it isn't enough to knock over a empty paper cup? Pundits, blimey, most of them haven't read the FA laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 (edited) Come on Koeman sort it out! We have a lot of good players and a couple who really are well short at the moment. Very worrying about the coaches not seeing the issues and acting on them. Pelle has issues which I have picked on before today and in recent weeks. He is destroying our attacks and giving us no options. He has to be dropped..... We change the way he plays or DROP HIM. He can't/wont run into space, there is no room for him in this team! As for Forster - well what on earth was that 10m about... A goalie in the Cubs would save as many shots as he does ..... It's got to the point where you are surprised if he saves anything on target.... We have great defenders totally let down down by this guy.... No wonder the defence work so hard to keep it tight with him between the sticks.... Edited 22 February, 2015 by captainchris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Come on Koeman sort it out! We have a lot of good players and a couple who really are well short at the moment. Very worrying about the coaches not seeing the issues and acting on them. Pelle has issues which I have picked on before today and in recent weeks. He is destroying our attacks and giving us no options. He has to be dropped..... We change the way he plays or DROP HIM. He can't/wont run into space, there is no room for him in this team! As for Forster - well what on earth was that 10m about... A goalie in the Cubs would save as many shots as he does ..... It's got to the point where you are surprised if he saves anything on target.... We have great defenders totally let down down by this guy.... No wonder the defence work so hard to keep it tight with him between the sticks.... Forster? What the hell are you on about? Do you think he should score more goals??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 At least with Pelle on the wing and Forster up front, we'll have a bit of height in the final third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Forster? What the hell are you on about? Do you think he should score more goals??? Forster had 2 saves to make today, and he conceded from both of them. Can't argue against the first one as that was unstoppable, but he was very weak-wristed for the second. Did well to even get a hand to it but having made solid contact with the ball, you can't let that go past you. As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Fraser is a good keeper and let us not forget that this is his first season in the Prem, but there are aspects of his game he really needs to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Forster had 2 saves to make today, and he conceded from both of them. Can't argue against the first one as that was unstoppable, but he was very weak-wristed for the second. Did well to even get a hand to it but having made solid contact with the ball, you can't let that go past you. As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Fraser is a good keeper and let us not forget that this is his first season in the Prem, but there are aspects of his game he really needs to work on. This could be said of all of our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Forster had 2 saves to make today, and he conceded from both of them. Can't argue against the first one as that was unstoppable, but he was very weak-wristed for the second. Did well to even get a hand to it but having made solid contact with the ball, you can't let that go past you. As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Fraser is a good keeper and let us not forget that this is his first season in the Prem, but there are aspects of his game he really needs to work on. That's fair; I don't like him dealing with anything going to the corner of the goal, especially low strikes. The guy has great reactions, bu doesn't get down quick enough at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Forster had 2 saves to make today, and he conceded from both of them. Can't argue against the first one as that was unstoppable, but he was very weak-wristed for the second. Did well to even get a hand to it but having made solid contact with the ball, you can't let that go past you. As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Fraser is a good keeper and let us not forget that this is his first season in the Prem, but there are aspects of his game he really needs to work on. He had quite a few more shots than that and his handling was exemplary. I'd like to see a replay but at the time the second seemed a bit of a scramble and may even have taken a deflection. There were plenty of others in front of him to blame first. Morgan made the obvious mistake. Boruc managed to fist a shot into the net yesterday. I recommend that you take a look at that first before comparing the two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Forster had 2 saves to make today, and he conceded from both of them. Can't argue against the first one as that was unstoppable, but he was very weak-wristed for the second. Did well to even get a hand to it but having made solid contact with the ball, you can't let that go past you. As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Fraser is a good keeper and let us not forget that this is his first season in the Prem, but there are aspects of his game he really needs to work on. LOL... I suggest you come back when you've seen the Bournemouth game from yesterday. & is this the same Forster that produced the worldie save at QPR? Short memories some people!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 What a load of bedwetters on here. We are in the top 5 with 12 games to go, NOT the bottom 5. Get a grip some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 . As much as I hate this argument, Boruc was good at getting a strong hand to the ball and saved us a lot of points because of it. Did you see Brentfords second goal on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 Did you see Brentfords second goal on Saturday? Shocker but he also kept the scoreline down in the second half with a string of decent saves. Either way, it's done. Boruc isn't keeping out that first goal and the second goal is debatable, Forster probably saves it if it doesn't take the deflection off our player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 I think the key word in my Boruc argument is WAS - he's definitely not the player he used to be but you can't deny that was one of his main attributes in his time with us. I still think Forster is a good keeper, don't get me wrong. He's put in some great performances for us this season, but he needs to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 What a load of bedwetters on here. We are in the top 5 with 12 games to go, NOT the bottom 5. Get a grip some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 What a load of bedwetters on here. We are in the top 5 with 12 games to go, NOT the bottom 5. Get a grip some of you. Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 My knee jerk reaction after a couple of beers. Pelle to be dropped asap. Mane to start over Elia. Djuricic is going to need a lot of time. Schniederlin was ****ing useless and is obviously in some kind of strop after not movin in Jan. Only Fonte and Yoshi can out if that game with any kind of plaudits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 (edited) 3 home games, 1 point (throw in a cup exit too) terrible in front of goal for the last 4 games. took a 90th min attempt to actually score past QPR we have an excellent defensive set up but the front players are not clicking. Pelle was terrible today. He is miles better than that. Miles better and he has been like that for a little while. Someone mentioned on 606 as I was driving that he feels the lack of goals is down to pelle being rubbish lately and the chopping and changing in the 3 behind him..some of it forced, some not. Coutinho scored a worldy and the ref was an utter ****. the 2nd penalty shout was so obvious. It was a disgusting decision. Thing is, we were talking about how bad he was before the game. the officiating this season in general for the whole lead is disgraceful. We will have a 5th official reviewing incidents on a screen in no time if this is the standard most weeks. An horrifically weak ref with Moss and Pawson. back to saints....for all our possession, we simply failed YET AGAIN to test the keeper. teams are coming to St Marys to defend deep and not allow mane and/or elia to get in behind, along with our full backs....we then just lump it to pelle who really does not hold the ball up whilst challenged. I thought we played really well for most of the game until we get to about 40 yards out. then terrible. It is that lack of firepower that will put a serious dent in our european hopes Edited 22 February, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 What a load of bedwetters on here. We are in the top 5 with 12 games to go, NOT the bottom 5. Get a grip some of you. I've just realised Dalek that you have been on a 12 year troll just to deliver that line. top work ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 There's no way I want Europa League. It's Champions League or respectable Top 10 place. Let others screw themselves next season in the Europa League and us free to make an increased effort for the Top 4 finish without being dragged down to Hull and Everton's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 February, 2015 Share Posted 22 February, 2015 We are such an easy team to defend against at the moment, everything is in front of the oppo. We play like we're a goal up when we're behind chasing a game, keeping possession and proding instead of playing playing with width and pace with too many players taking one or more touches too many when we do get into good positions. Very frustrating. We are however a very good side and we still have a massive chance of a top 6 if Koeman can inject some life into our stagnating attack. Agree with others who have said that 3 5 2 is our best option when we have a full squad to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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