James Ward-Prowse's list of indisputable, unimprovable weaknesses

[ScepticalStan]

This whole thread is as daft as the Everton fans who gave Barkley stick last season

 

JWP isn't fit to lace Barkley's boots and every club in the Premiership would laugh at the embarrassing comparison.

 

He might do if he stopped aiming a yard wide of the post. I assume that's where he's aiming, as all of his free-kicks end up there.

 

Well given that he's such a talented player and a free-kick specialist (with 0 goals from free-kicks), that's the only explanation isn't it? He must basically be choosing to put his free-kicks wide!

 

...Jesus wept.

[austsaint]

Prowsey will never be as good or as influential as Barkley, Dia, Dier etc - he just hasn't got the attributes that many other young English players do - I think that's the point of this whole thread.

 

I meant Dele Alli, not "Dia".

[david in sweden]

it's clear that JWP isn't meeting the expectations of many, but (looking at the stats.)..he has started 12 games (of 22) of which we won / drew 9 of those 12. Not always playing in the same role, but on the pitch does contribute to the run of play in terms of possession / assists, yet most attention is directed to goal scorers ...and whoever is MoM.

 

JWP has come off the bench 6 times (twice for S.Davis and Tadic and once each for Romeu and Cedric). Clearly he didn't always replace them directly and their "positional changes" , but we can't always expect subs. to come on and become game-changers , (although it has resulted in goals for Long and Romeu).

 

Clearly, JWP's lack of success in converting long distance free-kicks is a real disappointment, but at least he doesn't hit Row Z with the misses (more than I can say for some of his predecessors) and I think it is that riles some fans.

We are surely used to " non-scoring midfielders " by now - although I see that Steven Davis' critics have retreated since his recent goal flurries for Saints and N.I.)

Many of JWP's free-kicks/centres into the box are very good, but we seem to lack anyone capable of getting on the end of them to convert the chances.

 

( I recall the displeasure voiced by some fans (on here) when Rory Delap's long-throws seldom seemed to produce goals, yet when Tony Pulis later signed him for Stoke ...those same long throws became Stoke's " terror weapon", against opposing defences and resulted in some good goals - from Stoke strikers)

Quite simply, they had the players to finish the job, whereas we didn't. At present Saints have very few players able to make good use of JWP's free-kicks / centres.

 

Every player has phases of poor / indifferent form, yet Adkins, Pochettino and Koeman weren't not shy of using him on a regular basis. It should be remembered that he is still quite young (20?/21) and is often still the youngest player in the squad. I feel that, in time, he will be a success when he finds his "correct role " in the side.

Edited 9 December, 2015 by david in sweden

[dronskisaint]

JWP isn't fit to lace Barkley's boots and every club in the Premiership would laugh at the embarrassing comparison.

 

 

 

Well given that he's such a talented player and a free-kick specialist (with 0 goals from free-kicks), that's the only explanation isn't it? He must basically be choosing to put his free-kicks wide!

 

...Jesus wept.

 

Now I really do smell fish...flat fish, bottom feeding fish....

[verlaine1979]

although I see that Steven Davis' critics have retreated since his recent goal flurries for Saints and N.I.

 

Nah, he's still not good enough. His two goal flurry still makes his average over the last season and a half something like a goal every 25 games, which is rubbish for an attacking midfielder. He also doesn't create much, and we need someone better than either Davis or JWP if we're to get out of our attacking rut.

[Tom & Gerry]

What signs are they , please enlighten me. To say he runs around a lot is not a reason to play

him. Did you see his booking on saturday and that was the closest he got to making a tackle. If he hadn't come through our academy you would all be wanting him out.

It depends how intelligently he runs around. Some players run around like headless chickens others cover, make space for team mates, get in a position to make simple one twos. It doesn't look like they are doing much but the rest of the team very much appreciate hem and the team plays better as a result.

[ScepticalStan]

Now I really do smell fish...flat fish, bottom feeding fish....

 

I love Southampton and have been a season ticket holder for the past 8 years.

 

Here's my impression of a Portsmouth fan.

 

Eh-hem...

 

"James Ward-Prowse is a fantastic footballer! He dominates the midfield, wins tackles, covers the back four and has a mean free-kick on him! He might have literally never scored barring one penalty but the goals and improvement are still to come! Southampton should start him every game!"

 

That's what a Portsmouth fan would sound like.

[dronskisaint]

I love Southampton and have been a season ticket holder for the past 8 years.

 

Here's my impression of a Portsmouth fan.

 

Eh-hem...

 

"James Ward-Prowse is a fantastic footballer! He dominates the midfield, wins tackles, covers the back four and has a mean free-kick on him! He might have literally never scored barring one penalty but the goals and improvement are still to come! Southampton should start him every game!"

 

That's what a Portsmouth fan would sound like.

 

Weird...

[scotty]

Weird...

 

Indeed.

[VectisSaint]

He'd fit in far better in the 442 days of playing a wide midfielder rather than winger, like when Telfer played there.

Comparing him with Paul Telfer? Might be worth discussing. Appearance and goal wise (for Saints) in the PL quite similar. Not sure about assists with Telf.

[CityRanger]

Decent squad player at the moment and as he's home grown I'd much rather him in the squad than a mercenary foreign player. One thing I learned from our wilderness years is that players can improve and shouldn't be written off at 19/20/21 years of age. I always focussed on Lallanas weak shot and lack of pace but over the years he worked on that and became a decent player by his mid twenties. Look elsewhere for scapegoats chaps, at least for 3/4 more years.

[The9]

Comparing him with Paul Telfer? Might be worth discussing. Appearance and goal wise (for Saints) in the PL quite similar. Not sure about assists with Telf.

 

Talk to me when Ward-Prowse lobs the keeper from 30 yards on the last day of the season.

[St Marco]

Managers rate him so much he has been dropped the past few games. And rightly so. Should only get a starting place based on performance and current ability. Not on something someone might do in a few years time.

[Saint Charlie]

Managers rate him so much he has been dropped the past few games. And rightly so. Should only get a starting place based on performance and current ability. Not on something someone might do in a few years time.

He started the prior game against Villa. Its the usual pattern. Today he will come on after 65mins, be average then start the next game.

[whelk]

15% of U21 vote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35230428

[Verbal Kint]

There has just been so much hype surrounding him that it's now fairly bizarre how highly he's rated. Seeing him linked with Man City as he has been is just laughable frankly. However, I do think there might be enough ability there for him to effectively be Clasie's understudy next season. I.e a defensive midfielder capable of starting attacks. I have seen more intention from him this season to pass the ball forwards, and there really is no other position for him to play. He's far too slow to play wide, he doesn't have any attacking instincts in him to play as an attacking midfielder. If he is going to have a future as a good PL player then it will be as a defensive midfielder, but even then I'm not sure

[bazza]

JWP's a tidy player who delivers a great dead ball but unfortunately he's never really kicked on from that early promise. He's still young though, there's still plenty of time for improvement.

[Roger]

Just a joke he got 15% 1. Shows how far English football and sunk and 2. Shows how other fans have just latched on to hype not seeing performances to back it up. I hope he proves me wrong but have seen very little evidence he will be a premier league player for years more.

[kwsaint]

Can we just park this thread and reopen it in 5 years time? JWP is 21. If he is playing to the same standard at 26 then some posters might have a point. But he might have improved in this time.

[VectisSaint]

Can we just park this thread and reopen it in 5 years time? JWP is 21. If he is playing to the same standard at 26 then some posters might have a point. But he might have improved in this time.

But posters will still be saying, "look he's only 26, he will improve, too early to judge him yet".

[Deano6]

Why the f**k hasn't he 'found a positon' already? He's not new to the game.

 

Is it because there isn't a position that allows you to run around in midfield making short non-incisive passes, not tackling, not intercepting, not heading and not shooting?

[St Marco]

He is ****. People will be doing the whole he is young give him time thing when he is 33.

Kind of reminds me of when some people were bigging up Lloyd James as the next big thing. Wonder what happened to that guy.

[ghq]

I've been reading on here game after game about this kid, that contrary to commentaters, managers and ex players (of some standing) saying what a promising player he is/will be and to date I can't see much to disagree with them about JWP.

 

It seems to me that the view of many who deride his talents appear to me to be disappointed that the young man's talent hasn't instantly blossomed in the way

it should have, to become the world class superstar demanded by our demanding fan base. Would I prefer him to have advanced a little more than he has? Yes, of course, but let's not forget his one hundred or so games is a far greater input than Ramires and Osvaldo contributed. I also think he will improve further and contribute even more at far less lost revenue to the club.

[angelman]

Squad: 20, Starting eleven: 10 (full 90 mins: 7), Substituted in: 8, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0,

[redkeith]

I'm starting to feel that he just matured early, a bit like Martin Cranie.

 

He is still relatively young, but has not made the impact that Steve Williams, Graham Baker, Matt Oakley or even Neil Maddison had at the same age.

 

Maybe he suffers from the commentators using the same FA inspired stuff about his great dead ball deliveries etc, that make him seem even more disappointing when nothing comes off.

[Dangermouth]

I do hope that one of the reasons for signing Clasie was that the other midfielders will learn from him and look to always pass forward and do so intelligently and well. Because physically JWP may be able to last 90 mins (but does he ever get near a tackle?) but he's comparable to Clasie in that they're slight of stature.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

JWP isn't fit to lace Barkley's boots and every club in the Premiership would laugh at the embarrassing comparison.

 

 

 

Well given that he's such a talented player and a free-kick specialist (with 0 goals from free-kicks), that's the only explanation isn't it? He must basically be choosing to put his free-kicks wide!

 

...Jesus wept.

 

He is a kid who will develop into a high end midfielder if he is given the match opportunities over some mercenary whose name I cannot pronounce signed as a short term solution. Not only will he be high end he will be one that we produced.

 

You know what he will probably add as much in the dressing room as on the pitch because he strikes me as being a well rounded kid who in the years to come could become a Saints stalwart, like Dodd, Matt Le Tissier, Oakley or Benali who will remind players that putting on a Saints shirt is something to be proud of. What value do you put on that?

[disconnect]

I wouldnt take much from that BBC 'vote' - got to be discounted if they've given Rooney England player of the year?! 3 goals (against France, Slovenia and the mighty Lithuania) and 2 penalties (against Switzerland and San Marino) but generally playing like an absolute donkey (and getting paid £200k a week for it).

[Depressed of Shirley]

Having read this thread I am now really confused as to who to boo at in our own team in the next few games. The way its going perhaps I should just boo everyone and hope we keep losing.

[Greenridge]

He is a kid who will develop into a high end midfielder if he is given the match opportunities over some mercenary whose name I cannot pronounce signed as a short term solution.

 

According to wiki he's made 92 appearances for us so he is most definitely getting 'match opportunities'. The question is whether or not he's shown / showing progression?

[Mowgli]

There has just been so much hype surrounding him that it's now fairly bizarre how highly he's rated.

 

I don't recall any hype about JWP, just criticism from most fans. Often the same fans that described Morgan as lightweight when we were in Div 1. He's been a bit lightweight himself, but has certainly toughened up this year and added a physicality to his game. He and Reed are very effective of getting in the faces of opposition midfielders and will hopefully improve. His free kicks are woefully short of the required standard though. MLT really needs to have a word.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

According to wiki he's made 92 appearances for us so he is most definitely getting 'match opportunities'. The question is whether or not he's shown / showing progression?

 

How long do you give a young player and what about his contribution to the dressing room?

[sadoldgit]

I've been reading on here game after game about this kid, that contrary to commentaters, managers and ex players (of some standing) saying what a promising player he is/will be and to date I can't see much to disagree with them about JWP.

 

It seems to me that the view of many who deride his talents appear to me to be disappointed that the young man's talent hasn't instantly blossomed in the way

it should have, to become the world class superstar demanded by our demanding fan base. Would I prefer him to have advanced a little more than he has? Yes, of course, but let's not forget his one hundred or so games is a far greater input than Ramires and Osvaldo contributed. I also think he will improve further and contribute even more at far less lost revenue to the club.

 

My thoughts exactly. We are very good at writing off players on this forum. If Liverpool were to come in for him the attitude might change some. And as unlikely as you might think that is Citeh were sniffing around in April if the media are to be believed.

[Batman]

My thoughts exactly. We are very good at writing off players on this forum. If Liverpool were to come in for him the attitude might change some. And as unlikely as you might think that is Citeh were sniffing around in April if the media are to be believed.

 

which is a NO then

[sadoldgit]

which is a NO then

 

In your case Jamie as you pick and chose which media reports to believe.

[SonicBoom]

I'ts the progression that is the concern. Hes a bright likeable lad but Im not sure he has any more influence on a game now than he did when he got into the team for the first time.

Of course he could develop spectacularly but so far there has been little evidence of overall improvement.

This dead ball thing is a phallacy too.

Nearly one hundred appearances and one goal from the spot and he's not even the penalty taker so they gave that to him to get him off the mark. And i notice in the last few games Bertrand has been coming over from left back to take corners on the right so he's not doing that now either.

Big year for him this year I think.

[ScepticalStan]

15% of U21 vote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35230428

 

Not remotely impressive. England are a mid-tier-ish international side who's senior team and under-21s have bowed out at the group stage of their last two respective tournaments. We're the equivalent of a Sweden, USA or a Uruguay or so.

[ScepticalStan]

There has just been so much hype surrounding him that it's now fairly bizarre how highly he's rated. Seeing him linked with Man City as he has been is just laughable frankly. However, I do think there might be enough ability there for him to effectively be Clasie's understudy next season. I.e a defensive midfielder capable of starting attacks. I have seen more intention from him this season to pass the ball forwards, and there really is no other position for him to play. He's far too slow to play wide, he doesn't have any attacking instincts in him to play as an attacking midfielder. If he is going to have a future as a good PL player then it will be as a defensive midfielder, but even then I'm not sure

 

When I'm in a more reasonable mood this is more-or-less the argument that I've tried to make.

 

JWP just doesn't have the pace, power, trickery or athleticism to handle the one-on-one winger vs full-back battles of playing out wide in the modern game. He obviously doesn't have the physique to play at centre-back or as a box-to-box midfielder and he isn't a striker, so what's left?

 

Well, as you say, the one role he could potentially occupy is the 'quarterback' role in defensive-midfield. The kind exemplified by Pirlo and Xavi. The trouble is that to be effective in such a 'privileged' role (one where the team can actually afford to accommodate a non-defending player at the base of the spine of the team), such a player has to be technically outstanding, and capable of the kind of range of passing that the likes of Pirlo were capable of, to make their inclusion worthwhile.

[Deano6]

I've been reading on here game after game about this kid, that contrary to commentaters, managers and ex players (of some standing) saying what a promising player he is/will be and to date I can't see much to disagree with them about JWP.

 

It seems to me that the view of many who deride his talents appear to me to be disappointed that the young man's talent hasn't instantly blossomed in the way

it should have, to become the world class superstar demanded by our demanding fan base. Would I prefer him to have advanced a little more than he has? Yes, of course, but let's not forget his one hundred or so games is a far greater input than Ramires and Osvaldo contributed. I also think he will improve further and contribute even more at far less lost revenue to the club.

 

Just because he has played more games doesn't mean he's made more input that Ramires and Osvaldo. They may be reviled but at least they produced goals for us, and good ones at that (thinking Gaston v Everton and Osvaldo v Man City).

[Method]

Ward-Prowse hasn't good a good defensive contribution and never scores. All he gets assists from is set pieces and let's face it..if Bertrand, Davis or Tadic took all JWP's set pieces they'd get a few assists from them over the course of a season.

 

The only time he's every played well for us is playing like a proper right wing, trying to whip crosses in at every opportunity. That's his position for me and the only position he could potentially be a good player in. Right now he is mediocre at best at the roles he's best used for.

[Method]

I don't see an edit button. But a couple of typos there. It should be easy enough to make sense of.

[VectisSaint]

Ward-Prowse hasn't good a good defensive contribution and never scores. All he gets assists from is set pieces and let's face it..if Bertrand, Davis or Tadic took all JWP's set pieces they'd get a few assists from them over the course of a season.

 

The only time he's every played well for us is playing like a proper right wing, trying to whip crosses in at every opportunity. That's his position for me and the only position he could potentially be a good player in. Right now he is mediocre at best at the roles he's best used for.

Actually the best game he played for us was earlier this season when he played DM, can't for the life of me remember who it was against. He really isn't a winger and never will be.

[Dig Dig]

Ward-Prowse hasn't good a good defensive contribution and never scores. All he gets assists from is set pieces and let's face it..if Bertrand, Davis or Tadic took all JWP's set pieces they'd get a few assists from them over the course of a season.

 

The only time he's every played well for us is playing like a proper right wing, trying to whip crosses in at every opportunity. That's his position for me and the only position he could potentially be a good player in. Right now he is mediocre at best at the roles he's best used for.

 

He needs a Clyne like RB to be effective as a wide player.

[derry]

Actually the best game he played for us was earlier this season when he played DM, can't for the life of me remember who it was against. He really isn't a winger and never will be.

 

The ten men of Norwich.

[VectisSaint]

The ten men of Norwich.

Thank you. Although to be fair Norwich had 11 men for the first 30 minutes. I don't often praise the lad but he was more than decent that day alongside Romeu.

[Mosin]

When I'm in a more reasonable mood this is more-or-less the argument that I've tried to make.

 

JWP just doesn't have the pace, power, trickery or athleticism to handle the one-on-one winger vs full-back battles of playing out wide in the modern game. He obviously doesn't have the physique to play at centre-back or as a box-to-box midfielder and he isn't a striker, so what's left?

 

Well, as you say, the one role he could potentially occupy is the 'quarterback' role in defensive-midfield. The kind exemplified by Pirlo and Xavi. The trouble is that to be effective in such a 'privileged' role (one where the team can actually afford to accommodate a non-defending player at the base of the spine of the team), such a player has to be technically outstanding, and capable of the kind of range of passing that the likes of Pirlo were capable of, to make their inclusion worthwhile.

 

Xavi, Alonso and iniesta didnt reach high form till mid 20's, none of them where considered great players before their 21st birthdays!!. the type of Midfielder JWP will grow into is an Alonso / Xavi type of player ( deep laying playmaker ), but he needs to grow into this role its a very very difficult role to fill, he wont just turn up one random day and be the greatest midfielder in the world, expecting that is very unrealistic.

 

The support of are young players is a disgrace compared to how it was a few years ago while we was in L1. what happened to the support we gave Morgan, Lallana and co? Morgan was horrid for a long time before he grew into the player he is now and played at a far easier level than JWP is currently playing in. would JWP be good in L1? of course he would!!, he is already considered one of the best young mids of English football but of course all the expert football pundits ex players coachs and stuff have nothing over the Saintsweb forum experts!!!!

 

Leave the dam lad alone and let him develope ffs. to much expectation on his shoulders already. he is are future captain and i for one can not wait for him to become captain, he loves this club about the only player in the team currently that does have Saints truely in his heart and all he gets is crap of fans. rather a team full of JWP's than Wanyama's and manes any day of the week.

 

The prem is not Laliga or League 1. its the hardest league in the world, some of you should remember this.

 

Lad has my 100 % backing and support.

[Saint Benali]

Xavi, Alonso and iniesta didnt reach high form till mid 20's, none of them where considered great players before their 21st birthdays!!. the type of Midfielder JWP will grow into is an Alonso / Xavi type of player ( deep laying playmaker ), but he needs to grow into this role its a very very difficult role to fill, he wont just turn up one random day and be the greatest midfielder in the world, expecting that is very unrealistic.

 

The support of are young players is a disgrace compared to how it was a few years ago while we was in L1. what happened to the support we gave Morgan, Lallana and co? Morgan was horrid for a long time before he grew into the player he is now and played at a far easier level than JWP is currently playing in. would JWP be good in L1? of course he would!!, he is already considered one of the best young mids of English football but of course all the expert football pundits ex players coachs and stuff have nothing over the Saintsweb forum experts!!!!

 

Leave the dam lad alone and let him develope ffs. to much expectation on his shoulders already. he is are future captain and i for one can not wait for him to become captain, he loves this club about the only player in the team currently that does have Saints truely in his heart and all he gets is crap of fans. rather a team full of JWP's than Wanyama's and manes any day of the week.

 

The prem is not Laliga or League 1. its the hardest league in the world, some of you should remember this.

 

Lad has my 100 % backing and support.

 

What a load of horse ****. I appreciate some people on here will do anything to try and big up a player they like but to downplay others careers or indicate JWP will be at the level of Iniesta, Xavi etc is just laughable.

 

When Iniesta was 19 years old he played 46 games in his second full season at Barca. Including 9 CL games. He was the only player to make that amount of games that year. When he was 20 he won the CL.

When he was JWP age he had just become a full international but had already played 124 la liga games and 34 CL games. And not to mention 14 goals....

 

Xavi in his first season when he was 17 played 17 games for Barca in La Liga and 6 in the CL. He also won the young player of the year award in his first season. When he was 21 he was a already a key player for the national team. In the following world cup he played 2 of the 3 group games and 1 of the 2 knockout games. By JWP age he had already played 125 la liga games and 45 cl games.

 

I could go on but I won't as it is silly. Iniesta and Xavi were quality players from the moment they got into the team. Playing huge parts in winning the league and CL.

 

The PL is not la liga but it doesn't matter where you play. A good player will be a good player regardless. Ronaldo did just as good in England as he is in Spain. The same goes for players like Bale. Technical players. Ozil is now doing it in England as is Sanchez etc

People like to think England is this huge physical league where technical players can't play, which just isn't true.

 

I think you will find the vast majority of people support the lad and want to see him do well. What annoys me are posts like yours designed to generate some kind of hype towards the player. That is all well and good but I live in the here and now and right now JWP has been garbage. I do not see anything in him to suggest he will be anywhere near the level of the people you mention. Because if he was do you really think no clubs in the world will have come in for him? Shaw, Chambers, Bale, Wallcott, OX etc all left a lot younger than him. If he is so rated why did the big clubs not go for him early so he could be part of their HG players?

 

As others have said he has had his chance and every game I see him just strolling around doing nothing at all it becomes more and more noticeable how out of his depth he is. We need someone who actually influences the game in that position.

[Mosin]

What a load of horse ****. I appreciate some people on here will do anything to try and big up a player they like but to downplay others careers or indicate JWP will be at the level of Iniesta, Xavi etc is just laughable.

 

When Iniesta was 19 years old he played 46 games in his second full season at Barca. Including 9 CL games. He was the only player to make that amount of games that year. When he was 20 he won the CL.

When he was JWP age he had just become a full international but had already played 124 la liga games and 34 CL games. And not to mention 14 goals....

 

Xavi in his first season when he was 17 played 17 games for Barca in La Liga and 6 in the CL. He also won the young player of the year award in his first season. When he was 21 he was a already a key player for the national team. In the following world cup he played 2 of the 3 group games and 1 of the 2 knockout games. By JWP age he had already played 125 la liga games and 45 cl games.

 

I could go on but I won't as it is silly. Iniesta and Xavi were quality players from the moment they got into the team. Playing huge parts in winning the league and CL.

 

The PL is not la liga but it doesn't matter where you play. A good player will be a good player regardless. Ronaldo did just as good in England as he is in Spain. The same goes for players like Bale. Technical players. Ozil is now doing it in England as is Sanchez etc

People like to think England is this huge physical league where technical players can't play, which just isn't true.

 

I think you will find the vast majority of people support the lad and want to see him do well. What annoys me are posts like yours designed to generate some kind of hype towards the player. That is all well and good but I live in the here and now and right now JWP has been garbage. I do not see anything in him to suggest he will be anywhere near the level of the people you mention. Because if he was do you really think no clubs in the world will have come in for him? Shaw, Chambers, Bale, Wallcott, OX etc all left a lot younger than him. If he is so rated why did the big clubs not go for him early so he could be part of their HG players?

 

As others have said he has had his chance and every game I see him just strolling around doing nothing at all it becomes more and more noticeable how out of his depth he is. We need someone who actually influences the game in that position.

 

You cant compare playing for Saints to playing for barca for a start, Also i never said he would be as good, i said he will play the same roll ( Deep laying playmaker ), heres a link so you can look up the words " type of roll " eg same posistion - http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ - , never in my statement did i say he would be as good. your seeing things i never said dude, go to specsavers you need to go seriously. Also, Last year JWP was in the top 10 under 21 mids in europe according to every stat comparision site known and to pundits. your opinion on JWP means nothing, Long would win golden boot playing for barca in 1999.............. they had some of the best players the world had ever seen playing in the easiest league in EUROPE with the only challange coming from Real Madrid.

 

JWP plays at Southampton with the worst front 3 in the league, with striker's who need 100000000000000000 attempts to score one goal. thats a big big big difference to playing with Ronaldiho, Rivaldo, Klivert and figo and so on and so on.... them players alone would win games, you dont need a play maker when u have them players.

 

I never said he would be a world beater, i just stated he is stil young playing a posistion that is one of the hardest posistions to play in on the pitch, playing for one of the most inconsistant teams in the league.

 

Ronaldo in England was not half the player he is in Spain, he goals record shows that here ill show u so u can eat some humble pie.. stats dont lie man.......... 2003–2009 Manchester United 196 (84 Goals)

2009– Real Madrid 219 (239 Goals)

 

Obviuosly its far easier to score in Laliga than the EPL.............. every one knows its easier to score in Laliga than EPL.

 

JWP has to play on cold windy raining nights in Enalgnd against the most physical league in teh world, Xavi plays in the sunny none windy conditions against players who cant tackle........... Huge difference m8 huge!!!

 

If your so unhappy with the team and hate the players so much go and support Sh!tsmouth down the road, am sure they will have you, St Marys wont miss u at all.

[shurlock]

You cant compare playing for Saints to playing for barca for a start, Also i never said he would be as good, i said he will play the same roll ( Deep laying playmaker ), heres a link so you can look up the words " type of roll " eg same posistion - http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ - , never in my statement did i say he would be as good. your seeing things i never said dude, go to specsavers you need to go seriously. Also, Last year JWP was in the top 10 under 21 mids in europe according to every stat comparision site known and to pundits. your opinion on JWP means nothing, Long would win golden boot playing for barca in 1999.............. they had some of the best players the world had ever seen playing in the easiest league in EUROPE with the only challange coming from Real Madrid.

 

JWP plays at Southampton with the worst front 3 in the league, with striker's who need 100000000000000000 attempts to score one goal. thats a big big big difference to playing with Ronaldiho, Rivaldo, Klivert and figo and so on and so on.... them players alone would win games, you dont need a play maker when u have them players.

 

I never said he would be a world beater, i just stated he is stil young playing a posistion that is one of the hardest posistions to play in on the pitch, playing for one of the most inconsistant teams in the league.

 

Ronaldo in England was not half the player he is in Spain, he goals record shows that here ill show u so u can eat some humble pie.. stats dont lie man.......... 2003–2009 Manchester United 196 (84 Goals)

2009– Real Madrid 219 (239 Goals)

 

Obviuosly its far easier to score in Laliga than the EPL.............. every one knows its easier to score in Laliga than EPL.

 

JWP has to play on cold windy raining nights in Enalgnd against the most physical league in teh world, Xavi plays in the sunny none windy conditions against players who cant tackle........... Huge difference m8 huge!!!

 

If your so unhappy with the team and hate the players so much go and support Sh!tsmouth down the road, am sure they will have you, St Marys wont miss u at all.

 

I got sausage, swiss, bread and sushi.

 

I had less luck with posistion.

[CB Fry]

I got sausage, swiss, bread and sushi.

 

I had less luck with posistion.

Forward, Barrel, Till, and for 150 blanks, ....call.