DT Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Or ironic. The choice is yours Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Or ironic. The choice is yours Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My post was sarcastic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A lesson in sarcasm, tell me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 It is interesting that the club remains 'water-tight' about its transfer targets yet is happy to let all and sundry know that Jose wants out (has his head in the clouds; feels agreements have not been honoured; has had captaincy stripped from him) / is staying (new deal signed; is taking coaches badges/groomed as future manager). The policy of wanting to circulate bad news to the fan-base above any good news is a terrible way of running the club...surely?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 A lesson in sarcasm, tell me more. You're very intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I personally think Saints lack ambition each season we continue to sell our best players.... Mane, Pelle Where are the goals going to come from? Get some talent in pronto if we can't beat Watford at home what chance have we got ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I personally think Saints lack ambition each season we continue to sell our best players.... Mane, Pelle Where are the goals going to come from? Get some talent in pronto if we can't beat Watford at home what chance have we got ? You're entitled to the general opinion that our player sale/recruitment strategy could be better. That's fair enough. But the question in bold... come on, engage your brain. Either more or less chance than we had when we couldn't beat Villa - one or the worst Premier League teams ever - at home last season and went something like 1 win in 10 games. Either more or less chance than when we put in an absolutely pathetic display to plucky little Bournemouth away last year and never looked like doing anything all match. More or less chance than when we got knocked out of the League Cup by a League One side. etc... Clearly we could do with another attacking signing but citing the opening match of the season as some sort of precursor of doom is, one would have thought, obviously a stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 All im trying to say is breaking up the team every season is going to bite us! We surely have money in the bank? why are we continuning to rely on Yoshida? Ward Prowse? Playing a ineffective formation that is wasting the likes of Austin.... I agree with the attacking signing we seriously need to lay down some dosh and get a Mane replacement in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 All im trying to say is breaking up the team every season is going to bite us! We surely have money in the bank? why are we continuning to rely on Yoshida? Ward Prowse? Playing a ineffective formation that is wasting the likes of Austin.... I agree with the attacking signing we seriously need to lay down some dosh and get a Mane replacement in. Have to agree, whilst I know the transfer window hasn't shut yet and we'll most likely make a couple of signings, it was still demoralising to turn up on Saturday and see the starting 11 full of players who couldn't get a start last year. It just felt as if we were in the midst of an injury crisis with no first teamers available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Have to agree, whilst I know the transfer window hasn't shut yet and we'll most likely make a couple of signings, it was still demoralising to turn up on Saturday and see the starting 11 full of players who couldn't get a start last year. It just felt as if we were in the midst of an injury crisis with no first teamers available. Isn't that a bit OTT? Forster, Cedric, VVD, Davis, JWP, Tadic, Long.....all pretty much regular starts last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I have to say every summer we all say the same thing and moan but to put things in perspective we could be an Arsenal fan, they've been going nuts for about 10yrs now. I actually thought in the 2nd half we looked very good in the new formation, I would like a more cutting no.10 on the tip of the diamond, stick Pied and Betrand on the wings (cedric can have a spell on the bench). Key for me has to be Hojberg though, he has gotta start and add a no.10 to our shopping list who plays in this formation already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Have to agree, whilst I know the transfer window hasn't shut yet and we'll most likely make a couple of signings, it was still demoralising to turn up on Saturday and see the starting 11 full of players who couldn't get a start last year. It just felt as if we were in the midst of an injury crisis with no first teamers available. What a load of s***e. Who are all these players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Have to agree, whilst I know the transfer window hasn't shut yet and we'll most likely make a couple of signings, it was still demoralising to turn up on Saturday and see the starting 11 full of players who couldn't get a start last year. It just felt as if we were in the midst of an injury crisis with no first teamers available. Comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Isn't that a bit OTT? Forster, Cedric, VVD, Davis, JWP, Tadic, Long.....all pretty much regular starts last year. Yoshida, Ward Prowse, Targett, Romeu. I'd say that's over a third of the first 11 who couldn't get a start last year. I know our transfer dealings haven't finished yet and we have to wait to see if our targets get better offers before coming to us but even so that's not what I expected to see at the start of the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Yoshida, Ward Prowse, Targett, Romeu. I'd say that's over a third of the first 11 who couldn't get a start last year. I know our transfer dealings haven't finished yet and we have to wait to see if our targets get better offers before coming to us but even so that's not what I expected to see at the start of the new season. Wouldn't exactly call JWP a regular starter from last season either. He rarely made the team (with good reason). Worth remembering that Long only came into the team at the turn of the year and that Cedric had lost his place to Cuco. Point is, the team is much changed from last year and quite a way down quality wise (most obviously in an attacking sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 At the risk of being accused of being a bed-wetter it looks like this thread is drying up which would indicate that either there are no more credible leads and press leaks, or the alleged ITKs are on holiday (or really know sweet FA). Either way its not looking so sharp at the moment. Disappointing really, I was very upbeat about this break at the start with Redmond and Hoibjerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Yoshida, Ward Prowse, Targett, Romeu. I'd say that's over a third of the first 11 who couldn't get a start last year. I know our transfer dealings haven't finished yet and we have to wait to see if our targets get better offers before coming to us but even so that's not what I expected to see at the start of the new season. Yoshida and Targett started first league game last season... just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Yoshida, Ward Prowse, Targett, Romeu. I'd say that's over a third of the first 11 who couldn't get a start last year. I know our transfer dealings haven't finished yet and we have to wait to see if our targets get better offers before coming to us but even so that's not what I expected to see at the start of the new season.Line up to first game of last season, not massively different. Southampton: Stekelenburg, Targett, Yoshida, Fonte, Cedric, Wanyama, Davis, Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Rodriguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Line up to first game of last season, not massively different. Southampton: Stekelenburg, Targett, Yoshida, Fonte, Cedric, Wanyama, Davis, Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Rodriguez. 6 of the 11 players in that team didn't start on Saturday....that's over half... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Line up to first game of last season, not massively different. Southampton: Stekelenburg, Targett, Yoshida, Fonte, Cedric, Wanyama, Davis, Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Rodriguez. Apart from stek, fonte, wanyama, mane, pelle, Rodriguez you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Line up to first game of last season, not massively different. Southampton: Stekelenburg, Targett, Yoshida, Fonte, Cedric, Wanyama, Davis, Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Rodriguez. Also they're playing in a system which they are all used to playing in, and the only new players from the previous year was Steklenburg and Cedric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Yoshida, Ward Prowse, Targett, Romeu. I'd say that's over a third of the first 11 who couldn't get a start last year. I know our transfer dealings haven't finished yet and we have to wait to see if our targets get better offers before coming to us but even so that's not what I expected to see at the start of the new season. Yoshida and Target started pretty much every game when Fonte and Bertrand weren't fit, which is obviously the case here. Not sure why you are comparing a couple of short term injuries to players being sold. JWP started plenty of games last season, as did Romeu. We may not have Wanyama but if Spurs offered me a straight swap for Hoj, no strings attached, right here and now I'd probably say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Apart from stek, fonte, wanyama, mane, pelle, Rodriguez you mean IN strength I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Yoshida and Target started pretty much every game when Fonte and Bertrand weren't fit, which is obviously the case here. Not sure why you are comparing a couple of short term injuries to players being sold. JWP started plenty of games last season, as did Romeu. We may not have Wanyama but if Spurs offered me a straight swap for Hoj, no strings attached, right here and now I'd probably say no. But more realistic would be - if Spurs offered a straight swap no strings - Romeu for Wanyama? That is how we started on Saturday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 This summer is becoming somewhat depressing. No transfer in rumours and lots of transfer out rumours. I trust the club and we still have 16 days of the window left but as fans we need something to get excited about. Desperately short of attacking flair and if Fonte leaves we need a CB signing who can get going right away. What was the last incoming transfer rumour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 But more realistic would be - if Spurs offered a straight swap no strings - Romeu for Wanyama? That is how we started on Saturday..... Romeo isn't close to vic standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 This summer is when the board of SFC have finally become complacent; if Fonte goes this will have been the worst exodus by far, and we've done far too little in the transfer market ourselves. Cashing-in at SMS, finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Thank **** Alpine has posted, now we can look forward to the new season with optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 But more realistic would be - if Spurs offered a straight swap no strings - Romeu for Wanyama? That is how we started on Saturday..... Then you're just comparing a player from last season with another, if we're talking about the strength of our squad it's Hoj in for VW. Victor may have played that role last season but he was along side Clasie or JWP, both of whom are weaker than Hoj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dick Last Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I was told this morning that Stuart Taylor ( ex Arsenal ) is going to sign as our 3rd choice keeper. Source : The best man at his wedding. Hopefully it is a load of old bowlocks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 This summer is when the board of SFC have finally become complacent; if Fonte goes this will have been the worst exodus by far, and we've done far too little in the transfer market ourselves. Cashing-in at SMS, finally Alternatively.... last years squad and performance are worth 0 points to us. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance (viz Chelsea and Leicester). Saints do things VERY quietly, it is VERY quiet right now - time to feel those first gossamer hints of the excitement of new signings to come..... It's a new season, a new team, a new manager, a new beginning that may eventually just amaze us all.... Keep yer widdle-pants on guys, the fun's only just starting! ...and c'mon Alps, even you have truly no idea what's going to happen (other from your usual depressive interpretations) - exciting old game, isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 More clearing the decks. BBC Solent Sport @solentsport · 4m4 minutes ago #saintsfc defender @JordanTurnbull_ has left the club permanently after joining @Coventry_City on a three year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I was told this morning that Stuart Taylor ( ex Arsenal ) is going to sign as our 3rd choice keeper. Source : The best man at his wedding. Hopefully it is a load of old bowlocks !! Despite being 11 years older, Taylor has only made 34 more club appearances in his career than Gazzaniga! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Thank **** Alpine has posted, now we can look forward to the new season with optimism. This. Always a sign of a good season ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 What we really need is our modus operandi to bare some fruit. So far, as a fan we've seen the success of our trading and to some extent our academy. We've had a little sniff of the fruit with Europa qualification but in reality it won't result in something comparable to a Wembley final. I think that is the root of most fans frustrations and is seen on here in many guises (I don't mean St Charlie or Glasgow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 (edited) What we really need is our modus operandi to bare some fruit. So far, as a fan we've seen the success of our trading and to some extent our academy. We've had a little sniff of the fruit with Europa qualification but in reality it won't result in something comparable to a Wembley final. I think that is the root of most fans frustrations and is seen on here in many guises (I don't mean St Charlie or Glasgow). Finishing seventh, then sixth isn't bearing fruit? Christ almighty. And I wouldn't accept that not winning a cup is the root of fans frustrations. The League and FA Cups have been merrily written off by the types you mention on here as a Mickey Mouse waste of time. Edited 15 August, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 So at what point do we stop selling ? even with all the extensions signed we still have moved out 3 very significant figures from last years team, its ok arguing that it because they have proved themselves that 'bigger' clubs want them but at what point do they all decide actually i'm better off at Saints? how do we make that transition? Wet Sham have not been raided , Leicester lost one major player , We appear to be changing from the style that has won us admiration , and our players moves , so maybe that's the plan , less desirable football , means players not in the shop window, rather we continue with the old systems where we can interchange personnel and still be successful , or have we been punching above our weight? have we got lucky ? is this the WGS to Woggy change that Rupert masterminded or will we be announcing two big signings that will really want to be part of the next chapter of Europa league and flirting with CL qualification? Much as I dislike them Spurs have moved on from selling to Europa and now into the CL , my fear is we've settled for a profit and securing the big names to secure future profits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Finishing seventh, then sixth isn't bearing fruit? Christ almighty. And I wouldn't accept that not winning a cup is the root of fans frustrations. The League and FA Cups have been merrily written off by the types you mention on here as a Mickey Mouse waste of time. We're hardly kicking on, are we? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Finishing seventh, then sixth isn't bearing fruit? Christ almighty. And I wouldn't accept that not winning a cup is the root of fans frustrations. The League and FA Cups have been merrily written off by the types you mention on here as a Mickey Mouse waste of time. It wasn't that long ago sine celebrating mid-table finishes was a point of ridicule for you and your buddies I seem to remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 It wasn't that long ago sine celebrating mid-table finishes was a point of ridicule for you and your buddies I seem to remember? Still is. My position is entirely consistent and the post I replied to was an example of the precise point my pi sstaking was making all that time ago: league places don't deliver the satisfaction a cup win can. It's almost like I'm never wrong, ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Romeo isn't close to vic standard. For clarity, is this the playing like a brick wall Vic, the doesn't give a flying f*ck Vic, or the not playing because of bookings Vic? I'm pretty sure Romeu is better than the latter two, which was Vic about 75% of last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 This summer is when the board of SFC have finally become complacent; if Fonte goes this will have been the worst exodus by far, and we've done far too little in the transfer market ourselves. Cashing-in at SMS, finally How long does it take you to eat through a six pack of standard size Mint Aero bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Romeu was rubbish Saturday, but very good plenty of times last season. He's not vic level, but not THAT far behind. Be interesting to see how he does in 15-20 starts. Definitely need him playing with Hojbjerg though. I'd like to see Rom and Hoj in a midfield 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Romeu was rubbish Saturday, but very good plenty of times last season. He's not vic level, but not THAT far behind. Be interesting to see how he does in 15-20 starts. Definitely need him playing with Hojbjerg though. No he wasn't he made a few mistakes but considering who had to cover first half am not surprised. If you think he was rubbish what were Davis and JWP then? How many chances did Watford create through our midfield? If you had watched him cover the back four multiple times. Goal was a combination of letting winger cross not closing down, Deeney good header an Oriol ball watching. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 So at what point do we stop selling ? even with all the extensions signed we still have moved out 3 very significant figures from last years team, its ok arguing that it because they have proved themselves that 'bigger' clubs want them but at what point do they all decide actually i'm better off at Saints? how do we make that transition? Wet Sham have not been raided , Leicester lost one major player , We appear to be changing from the style that has won us admiration , and our players moves , so maybe that's the plan , less desirable football , means players not in the shop window, rather we continue with the old systems where we can interchange personnel and still be successful , or have we been punching above our weight? have we got lucky ? is this the WGS to Woggy change that Rupert masterminded or will we be announcing two big signings that will really want to be part of the next chapter of Europa league and flirting with CL qualification? Much as I dislike them Spurs have moved on from selling to Europa and now into the CL , my fear is we've settled for a profit and securing the big names to secure future profits These three players were only bought a couple of years ago. It's normal in football these days to wheel and deal and in our case we generally turn a profit, with a couple of notable exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Romeu was rubbish Saturday, but very good plenty of times last season. He's not vic level, but not THAT far behind. Be interesting to see how he does in 15-20 starts. Definitely need him playing with Hojbjerg though. I tend to agree, except the whole "not same level" as Wanyama is a bit flawed and tedious as although they play same position have different qualities. The other thing is, we've always seen Wanyama as part of a two man defensive screen which made things a lot easier for Wanyama to play the battering ram. I reckon if he was the midfield base of a 442 diamond he would be blowing a gasket by half time. I didn't see last weeks game but could Hojbjerg (sic) do a job for us at the base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 This summer is when the board of SFC have finally become complacent; if Fonte goes this will have been the worst exodus by far, and we've done far too little in the transfer market ourselves. Cashing-in at SMS, finally Not really. We knew we were losing Mane and Wanyama and by Christmas most were saying we were better without them. In reality we will miss both but with Hojbjerg and Redmond we have some class additions. Pelle was shot according to the vast majority on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Any transfer rumours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Any transfer rumours? Everton approached Lyon for Ghezzal....oh you mean us. :-) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Any transfer rumours? Fonte and Austin could be leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Any transfer rumours? Either nobody knows anything, or there's nothing to know. I reckon the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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