bazza Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 So you'd be perfectly content going into next season with him as a nailed on starter? Did you see that pass in the second half - any other player would've been crucified for that, but only one person on the forum even noticed it was him... I'm sure the majority of fans are probably still under the impression that it was JWP, or that Clasie jogged onto the pitch accidentally for a second - anyone but saintly 'Davo'. Having observed the phenomenon for a while now, responses to Davis fall into the following categories: - He plays, but puts in an average, anonymous performance = default response 'Davis had a great game' - He plays, and makes one good pass or run, but is otherwise average = default response 'Davis is one of the most underrated players in the league, and deserves a place on the banner' - He plays, and makes a series of mistakes, loses possession, or is otherwise disappointing = default response 'Tadic/Boufal/any foreign player was worse' Judging by your avatar I can see why you're an unreliable judge, but it's genuinely mystifying how regularly he's forgiven by everyone else for performances that would result in witch hunts of any other player. Funnily enough unlike you I'm able to take a subjective view on his performances good and bad. He's doing a decent job playing out of position in a holding role alongside Romeu where they clearly have to be disciplined. There's serious issues in that team this season: Forster; the centre half positions;and a serious lack of goals, for which I'd be pointing the finger at those further up the pitch (Tadic/Boufal/Redmond/Long/Rodriquez/Ward-Prowse) before Davis. Poch rated him. Koeman rated him. Puel clearly rates him. Your assessment is ******** quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 (edited) Can't complain about an away draw at one of the big sides, and having struggled against the top sides in recent times I cant blame Puel and the team for being very compact and not throwing bodies forward...but it was painful to see how limited we have become in comparison to three seasons ago. The balance between attack and defence is something we have not really got right all season. We are either too expansive or too cautious, too top heavy or too many men behind the ball. Solving that problem is not easy. Its not simply a case of a change of formation or playing an extra attacking midfielder, IMO it's a problem caused by not having the players Puel needs. Central midfield is an issue as is the wide players. We don't dominate in the middle and we give the ball away too cheaply out wide. The signing of Classie, Hoj and Boufal have left us exposed and we either need replacements or a serious step up in performance next season. Overall the side looks short of quality. We can hold our own, but where we used to have players with the quality to dominate teams, we now hold on for grim life. You can still win games, and we do, but we cant match the top sides, playing their game. There is no shame in that, but no one can deny we are not the side we once were. The solution? Recruit better player and find and recruit better youngsters. Obvious, but not simple. Edited 7 May, 2017 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 You're right . Puel is amazing and we can get good results against Liverpool ?... What about the other 18 teams in the premiership ? Shame we a generally rubbish against all of them . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk You do realise that there are 10 teams below us in the league ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 So you'd be perfectly content going into next season with him as a nailed on starter? Did you see that pass in the second half - any other player would've been crucified for that, but only one person on the forum even noticed it was him... I'm sure the majority of fans are probably still under the impression that it was JWP, or that Clasie jogged onto the pitch accidentally for a second - anyone but saintly 'Davo'. Having observed the phenomenon for a while now, responses to Davis fall into the following categories: - He plays, but puts in an average, anonymous performance = default response 'Davis had a great game' - He plays, and makes one good pass or run, but is otherwise average = default response 'Davis is one of the most underrated players in the league, and deserves a place on the banner' - He plays, and makes a series of mistakes, loses possession, or is otherwise disappointing = default response 'Tadic/Boufal/any foreign player was worse' Judging by your avatar I can see why you're an unreliable judge, but it's genuinely mystifying how regularly he's forgiven by everyone else for performances that would result in witch hunts of any other player. When you are the only person with a point of view, you need to at least entertain the idea that you might be in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Poll please mods. Do you wish this poster would stop saying "Pony" yes or no. At least it was on our kit once Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Can't complain about an away draw at one of the big sides, and having struggled against the top sides in recent times I cant blame Puel and the team for being very compact and not throwing bodies forward...but it was painful to see how limited we have become in comparison to three seasons ago. The balance between attack and defence is something we have not really got right all season. We are either too expansive or too cautious, too top heavy or too many men behind the ball. Solving that problem is not easy. Its not simply a case of a change of formation or playing an extra attacking midfielder, IMO it's a problem caused by not having the players Puel needs. Central midfield is an issue as is the wide players. We don't dominate in the middle and we give the ball away too cheaply out wide. The signing of Classie, Hoj and Boufal have left us exposed and we either need replacements or a serious step up in performance next season. Overall the side looks short of quality. We can hold our own, but where we used to have players with the quality to dominate teams, we now hold on for grim life. You can still win games, and we do, but we cant match the top sides, playing their game. There is no shame in that, but no one can deny we are not the side we once were. The solution? Recruit better player and find and recruit better youngsters. Obvious, but not simple. Very good post. Can't help thinking a more adventurous manager might help too though. [?) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Can't complain about an away draw at one of the big sides, and having struggled against the top sides in recent times I cant blame Puel and the team for being very compact and not throwing bodies forward...but it was painful to see how limited we have become in comparison to three seasons ago. The balance between attack and defence is something we have not really got right all season. We are either too expansive or too cautious, too top heavy or too many men behind the ball. Solving that problem is not easy. Its not simply a case of a change of formation or playing an extra attacking midfielder, IMO it's a problem caused by not having the players Puel needs. Central midfield is an issue as is the wide players. We don't dominate in the middle and we give the ball away too cheaply out wide. The signing of Classie, Hoj and Boufal have left us exposed and we either need replacements or a serious step up in performance next season. Overall the side looks short of quality. We can hold our own, but where we used to have players with the quality to dominate teams, we now hold on for grim life. You can still win games, and we do, but we cant match the top sides, playing their game. There is no shame in that, but no one can deny we are not the side we once were. The solution? Recruit better player and find and recruit better youngsters. Obvious, but not simple. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Squad has just arrived back at Southampton Airport - its jet, in-keeping with Puel's laborious tactics, was very slow getting off the runway evidently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Claude is under pressure & knew he couldn't afford for us to be beaten, hence we played for a point from the very first kick, which is fair enough but god its boring to watch! never looked like scoring! I think that's why many (not all) are fed up with the style in which we now play we hardly ever look like we can attack another team, where is the excitement in this team??? Word for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 One thing that proper annoyed me throughout the game was Jurgen Klopps antics on the touchline. How does he get away with it? The gurning ****. Because he was the only entertainment on offer all afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Can't complain about an away draw at one of the big sides, and having struggled against the top sides in recent times I cant blame Puel and the team for being very compact and not throwing bodies forward...but it was painful to see how limited we have become in comparison to three seasons ago. The balance between attack and defence is something we have not really got right all season. We are either too expansive or too cautious, too top heavy or too many men behind the ball. Solving that problem is not easy. Its not simply a case of a change of formation or playing an extra attacking midfielder, IMO it's a problem caused by not having the players Puel needs. Central midfield is an issue as is the wide players. We don't dominate in the middle and we give the ball away too cheaply out wide. The signing of Classie, Hoj and Boufal have left us exposed and we either need replacements or a serious step up in performance next season. Overall the side looks short of quality. We can hold our own, but where we used to have players with the quality to dominate teams, we now hold on for grim life. You can still win games, and we do, but we cant match the top sides, playing their game. There is no shame in that, but no one can deny we are not the side we once were. The solution? Recruit better player and find and recruit better youngsters. Obvious, but not simple. This pretty well sums things up. We are a lower mid table team. However, we will need to strengthen just to stay at this stage. Failure to do so will see us fighting relegation next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Toothless b*ll*cks again, Liverpool were there for the taking. Puel out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Nice bit of business potential. Gonna do a big order for T-shirts with "I WAS THERE WHEN FRASER FORSTER ACTUALLY SAVED APENALTY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Nice bit of business potential. Gonna do a big order for T-shirts with "I WAS THERE WHEN FRASER FORSTER ACTUALLY SAVED APENALTY Get them to leave a space between the A in "A" and P in "Penalty" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 You do realise that there are 10 teams below us in the league ?? Do you realise this could be our lowest points tally since we returned to the Premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 So you'd be perfectly content going into next season with him as a nailed on starter? Did you see that pass in the second half - any other player would've been crucified for that, but only one person on the forum even noticed it was him... I'm sure the majority of fans are probably still under the impression that it was JWP, or that Clasie jogged onto the pitch accidentally for a second - anyone but saintly 'Davo'. Having observed the phenomenon for a while now, responses to Davis fall into the following categories: - He plays, but puts in an average, anonymous performance = default response 'Davis had a great game' - He plays, and makes one good pass or run, but is otherwise average = default response 'Davis is one of the most underrated players in the league, and deserves a place on the banner' - He plays, and makes a series of mistakes, loses possession, or is otherwise disappointing = default response 'Tadic/Boufal/any foreign player was worse' Judging by your avatar I can see why you're an unreliable judge, but it's genuinely mystifying how regularly he's forgiven by everyone else for performances that would result in witch hunts of any other player. Automatic choice for Poch, ditto Koeman, ditto Puell - three quite different managers. Pardon me if I accept their opinion ahead of yours. The constant repetition of the same rubbish about Davis does not become more true from constant repetition and is just tiresome. We know your opinion - now give it a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 A point at Anfield could be seen as a decent result. However, once again we lacked any creative edge and given the players we have in the team it's clear that the manager doesn't know how to get the best from them. He's got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Back 5 and Romeu in front were immense. More composure in the final third and we'd have nicked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Haven't read through the thread but for me there were a few positives - a clean sheet, a point, a rare penalty save from Fraser and we're now back above Bournemuff. That said I was completely bemused by Puel's team selection and tactics today. It was clear we were set up to defend from the start so why select Tadic and Boufal spearheaded by Gabbi up front on his own? This made absolutely no sense despite the fact we did get a point. Neither Tadic or Boufal help out their fullbacks to any degree and Gabbi as a lone front man is a total waste of his talents. Surely if we decided from the outset we have little or no intention of getting forward other than hopeful punts up field none of those three player should have started. We should have stuck Long up front on his own, Redmond left, JWP right and brought in Classie or Hojbjerg. It was a battling point from a performance devoid of courage due to the manager's team selection and tactics which meant we rarely troubled Mignolet. Boring!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Do you realise this could be our lowest points tally since we returned to the Premiership? Sorry Sidney just wrong we already have more points than 12/13, go try being a pain somewhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Do you realise this could be our lowest points tally since we returned to the Premiership? If you check the context of my post, you will find that I was responding to a statement that said we were generally rubbish against 18 teams in the league ! Being 10th renders that impossible, that was my point, nothing more ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 I was completely bemused by Puel's team selection and tactics today. It was clear we were set up to defend from the start so why select Tadic and Boufal spearheaded by Gabbi up front on his own? This made absolutely no sense despite the fact we did get a point. ! I agree, he set out to get a point, we were successful at getting a point but because I don't like him I'll find something to moan about. I'd have taken a point at the start of the game, but now we've actually got one I'm not happy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Some weirdos support this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Nothing to do with whether I like or dislike Puel. My beef was against his team selection and tactics and the poor standard of our football today. Just my opinion and sorry if it differs from yours. Merely giving an honest appraisal on what I saw. Ok we got a point which was clearly the result CP wanted but I wasn't impressed with the way we went about it. Had Milner scored the penalty I'm sure much more flak would have headed in Claude's direction for setting up so negatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Nothing to do with whether I like or dislike Puel. My beef was against his team selection and tactics and the poor standard of our football today. Just my opinion and sorry if it differs from yours. Merely giving an honest appraisal on what I saw. Ok we got a point which was clearly the result CP wanted but I wasn't impressed with the way we went about it. Had Milner scored the penalty I'm sure much more flak would have headed in Claude's direction for setting up so negatively. And why do you think setting up to attack would have got a better result? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 When Mourinho does this at Anfield, parking the bus and getting a nil-nil, he is described as a tactical genius. Puel will never get credit in the eyes of some no matter what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Nothing to do with whether I like or dislike Puel. My beef was against his team selection and tactics and the poor standard of our football today. Just my opinion and sorry if it differs from yours. Merely giving an honest appraisal on what I saw. Ok we got a point which was clearly the result CP wanted but I wasn't impressed with the way we went about it. Had Milner scored the penalty I'm sure much more flak would have headed in Claude's direction for setting up so negatively. I agree, setting up so negatively is a risky plan, and takes a bit (a lot) of luck, which generally we've had the 4 times we've played them this season. If Milner puts the penalty away, or Forster doesn't make a few fantastic saves, we lose and Puel gets criticised for an offensively shambolic display (4 shots, 0 on target is poor, no matter who you're playing). But credit where credit is due, Puel set up to draw and that's what we got. Hopefully we offer a bit more offensively on Wednesday as I cannot see us getting the same luck we've had in our games against Liverpool and also I can't see Arsenal being as bad as Liverpool were today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... Exactly. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 When Mourinho does this at Anfield, parking the bus and getting a nil-nil, he is described as a tactical genius. Puel will never get credit in the eyes of some no matter what he does. The difference being that Puel does it home to Hull as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 May, 2017 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... Don't think there is much complaints about the point. More the setup, approach and another game where we've had zero shots on target (1 off) 2 league games vs Liverpool with Puel and we've not managed a single shot on target in either game. + our 10th failed attempt in league to beat a top 6 side this season. Today had some pluses (parked bus well, FF pen save and performance and a point is credible) and some minuses (above) Was also bit surprised we were time wasting at the end, was a performance and ending like when Plymouth went there and drew 0-0, all felt a bit odd. Especially the players celebrating at end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... This is a football forum, people are discussing football. I don't think anyone is complaining (not that I've seen) about getting a point, more the way we went about it. A point in itself is a great result, however I think the performance pretty much summed up why Puel has so many doubters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Just back. Lovely weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Our record at Anfield since back in the PL is actually very good. Won 1 lost 1 drawn 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Squad has just arrived back at Southampton Airport - its jet, in-keeping with Puel's laborious tactics, was very slow getting off the runway evidently Carrying too many passengers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 People are really complaining about getting a point away at Liverpool... Must be missing something - haven't seen a single post complaining about getting a point against Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Must be missing something - haven't seen a single post complaining about getting a point against Liverpool. Alpine, Saint Robbie, Sidney F III positively dancing in the streets they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 When Mourinho does this at Anfield, parking the bus and getting a nil-nil, he is described as a tactical genius. Puel will never get credit in the eyes of some no matter what he does. When Mourinho does it, having spent hundreds of millions on his team, I don't think anyone describes him as a tactical genius do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Don't think there is much complaints about the point. More the setup, approach and another game where we've had zero shots on target (1 off) 2 league games vs Liverpool with Puel and we've not managed a single shot on target in either game. + our 10th failed attempt in league to beat a top 6 side this season. Today had some pluses (parked bus well, FF pen save and performance and a point is credible) and some minuses (above) Was also bit surprised we were time wasting at the end, was a performance and ending like when Plymouth went there and drew 0-0, all felt a bit odd. Especially the players celebrating at end. Before CB Fry gives one of his pertinent comments. 1/10. Very poor effort. It has been a long hard season. I am sure that you are getting tired. Are you on the beach already? Must try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Before CB Fry gives one of his pertinent comments. 1/10. Very poor effort. It has been a long hard season. I am sure that you are getting tired. Are you on the beach already? Must try harder. Thanks for covering. I was in the shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboysaint Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Word for word. Agreed. We are pretty predictable and will be cannon fodder next year unless the manager becomes more adventurous. We were more exciting in our first season 2012-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 I don't mind performances and results like that at Anfield, I just wish we weren't repeating them for home games against Hull, Bournemouth and Be'er Sheva. Don't think I've ever been less interested going into a game against a big team TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 Strange really because we haven't been this utterly dull all season. Perhaps when VVD got injured Puel thought **** this and resorted to boring the opposition to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 4 consecutive league games where we haven't scored - the second weekend in a row where we play our part in a match that's widely considered the worst of the weekend. we've barely scored half the number of goals at home versus last season. Puel is really creating a season to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 4 consecutive league games where we haven't scored - the second weekend in a row where we play our part in a match that's widely considered the worst of the weekend. we've barely scored half the number of goals at home versus last season. Puel is really creating a season to remember. How'd you work that out? We scored twice at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 4 consecutive league games where we haven't scored - the second weekend in a row where we play our part in a match that's widely considered the worst of the weekend. we've barely scored half the number of goals at home versus last season. Puel is really creating a season to remember. 4 consecutive league games? How long ago was Chelsea away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 4 consecutive league games? How long ago was Chelsea away? 2 games ago. But 2 consecutive league games where we haven't scored doesn't sound as terrible so fu ck it let's just say it's four. Puel out. I mean, we haven't won a single match since January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 We have scored 3 goals in 6 games. That's not good enough in any league at any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 May, 2017 Share Posted 7 May, 2017 We have scored 3 goals in 6 games. That's not good enough in any league at any level. Which six games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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