Russell Martin

[Weston Super Saint]

7 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

“If I was looking to sign a goalkeeper, I would want to go and sign Gavin Bazunu for the way that we play. Gavin is going to be a great goalkeeper."

Let's see if he stands by that comment. 

Does Gav need a lift to Leicester?

[tdmickey3]

The players are already planning what to do with their extra days off

Edited May 21 by tdmickey3

[Dusic]

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

“If I was looking to sign a goalkeeper, I would want to go and sign Gavin Bazunu for the way that we play. Gavin is going to be a great goalkeeper."

Let's see if he stands by that comment. 

When did he say that? What a frightening manager he is ... no learnings at all. 

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I think it’s clever from LCFC. Won’t be a more motivated manager in that league than him. 

RM will attempt to leverage the points deduction up into a massive club wide grudge. His team indeed the whole club, will start with this “unfair” handicap in their heads and he will use this and his player relationship skills in particular to turn that grudge into a fighting against the odds tight squad and team.
 

He will then attempt to turn that tight team into a replica of his last championship team playing possession based football but with tweaks. I expect interesting times! 
 

 

Good to know Leicester have got three big tits heading their way.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

When did he say that? What a frightening manager he is ... no learnings at all. 

Fans forum with Wilcox and Parsons August 2023. It was in response to a fan’s question about Bazanu being statistically the worst by a mile in the PL the season before and therefore it was a priority to upgrade?

Logical and reasonable query asked reasonably, widely applauded in the audience.

That was the gist of his response although it omits the snippy tone. TBF, Martin could hardly have responded with ‘yeah, he’s dreadful isn’t he? Like sticking Sekou Mara in goal. Won’t make a Championship goalkeeper whilst he has a hole in his arse’ even though the truth, but he didn’t need to embellish it to say that he wasn’t already at the club he would be a priority signing for his footballing ability (ignoring basics like stopping shots, catching etc).

Lets hope Spors and Still are a lot more honest with Dragan about SR’s vanity projects and the fact Gavin will need the bulk of his wages subsidised for the next two years at Exeter, Stockport, Barnsley or wherever he is loaned out. Not Cheltenham Town though, I’ve seen far too much of Gavin already.

Edited May 21 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

He will need to get a record points total if he does as it looks as if they can’t escape a substantial deduction this time. And he won’t do that passing 50 triangles between the keeper and centre backs. He’s welcome to Bazanu, Smallbone, Stephens etc though.

[HarvSFC]

Just have to hope Leicester can still afford to sign Bazunu, Stephens, Manning, Smallbone, Fraser and potentially Wood with all the sanctions they're reportedly in line to get.

[Harry_SFC]

4 hours ago, Dusic said:

Think its a decent move by Leicester in that they were very successful under Maresca in a not dissimilar style and may well have the strongest squad once again and he will get them playing his way very quickly.

Fully expect him to get them promoted and then its a question of whether he has learned from last year.

Certainly don't see this as being a benefit to us.

 

lets be honest, he doesn't want to learn anything. He made that quite clear. He will only play one way. Whilst they will win a fair few games, I'd back us to beat them twice. 

[gurru991]

4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

lets be honest, he doesn't want to learn anything. He made that quite clear. He will only play one way. Whilst they will win a fair few games, I'd back us to beat them twice. 

He has been more than clear that his team will only play one way & that’s what makes him a Championship manager only. Manager’s & teams have to adapt to survive in the Premier when even the lower teams are very good.    The 16th & 17th placed teams are competing for a cup & Champions league today & that says a lot about the Premier.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

He recently gave a long interview with Gary Lineker.  There’s a bit, around 52 - 53 minutes where he’s talking about his time with Saints in the PL and he says “I’ve learned a lot, but would I do things differently? No.”

Also said one of his main mistakes was changing formations too much.

Appreciate you've got to be arrogant and thick-skinned to be a manager...but I think he's just thick. There's so much he could have done differently to have given us a fighting chance. Genuinely think he's the worst of our last four managers.

[S-Clarke]

A message to all Leicester fans who are on here, wondering if he's any good.

He's not great, which may seem odd as he got us promoted, but I really don't rate the bloke.

It's all about him.

It's him before the team. He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

He'll build up a good rapport as he speaks a good game, players love him as he plays the 'mates' game, but just watch how spikey he gets when things go wrong. 

He concedes way too many goals to be a real success, especially if you're battling a points deduction. That's not just me being bias from his time here, it's a consistent factor from his time at Swansea and MK Dons too. His style encourages mistakes, and you will see mistakes. Lots of them.

You may well score a lot of goals if you have the right mix up the top, but you'll be forever frustrated by the fact that you 1) can't hold onto games and 2) you're always having to score 3 or 4 to win.

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us. We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess. What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

He's one of these really irritating modern day coaches who sounds amazing when he talks, and everyone wants to lick his arse, but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

Our new coach Will Still may well be a similar type, so we'll wait and see on this one. But on Martin, enjoy the good times and prepare for the almost inevitable frustration as you see the same stupid things over, and over again.

[Fabrice29]

Think if any Leicester fans did bother to read this forum they would be a little perplexed as to why Martin is such a bad appointment in one thread but the manager they hounded out themselves this year is being favoured to take over here by some in another  

[SaintsBarry74]

Judging from their forum, they seem to be absolutely fuming about this. 😂

[The Kraken]

I actually actually think he’ll do well for Leicester in the Championship, and if they don’t get clobbered with an enormous points penalty they’ll be up there.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

A message to all Leicester fans who are on here, wondering if he's any good.

He's not great, which may seem odd as he got us promoted, but I really don't rate the bloke.

It's all about him.

It's him before the team. He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

He'll build up a good rapport as he speaks a good game, players love him as he plays the 'mates' game, but just watch how spikey he gets when things go wrong. 

He concedes way too many goals to be a real success, especially if you're battling a points deduction. That's not just me being bias from his time here, it's a consistent factor from his time at Swansea and MK Dons too. His style encourages mistakes, and you will see mistakes. Lots of them.

You may well score a lot of goals if you have the right mix up the top, but you'll be forever frustrated by the fact that you 1) can't hold onto games and 2) you're always having to score 3 or 4 to win.

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us. We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess. What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

He's one of these really irritating modern day coaches who sounds amazing when he talks, and everyone wants to lick his arse, but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

Our new coach Will Still may well be a similar type, so we'll wait and see on this one. But on Martin, enjoy the good times and prepare for the almost inevitable frustration as you see the same stupid things over, and over again.

 

[Dusic]

Seeing the Spurs celebrations reminded me of Wembley and how great that day was. Those one off games/moments of success are what it is all about as a football fan.

For that reason - I personally find the level of dislike for Russell Martin to be quite bizarre.

He had one full season here, inherited a shitshow and gave pretty much every Saints fan one of their best days supporting the club winning a playoff final at Wembley. Those moments will be remembered by those who were there forever.

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

He underwhelmed me last season massively, I didn't think he improved us or did anything special with us

He got us promoted at the first attempt and achieved our longest unbeaten league run in over a century. Will that not do?

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

We were very fortunate to go up in the end, as our end of season form was an absolute mess

We went up by going unbeaten against all the other playoff teams in every game all season. 6 wins and 3 draws, including the playoff games themselves. We were also right in the hunt for the autos with four games left.

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

What happened when we did go up shows you where we actually were as a team, we were never anywhere near good enough. And that's on him.

I would advise Leicester not to sign Lallana, Sugawara and Wood, should they get promoted, next summer.

 

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

but when he's managing your side you sit in an almost constant state of head in hands.

That’s not how I watched the 28 league games we won under Martin last season but each to their own.

 

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

He does not and will not adapt. It doesn't matter who he has avaliable to him, or who he is playing against, it's his way or no way and it's so, so, so frustrating to witness and watch.

Apart from all the times he adapted the team to get a result, such as playing Stephens in the ‘Zinchenko role’ to win away to WBA and changing from a back four to a back five when Bazunu got injured, in order to win the playoffs.

[Saint Fan CaM]

6 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Just have to hope Leicester can still afford to sign Bazunu, Stephens, Manning, Smallbone, Fraser and potentially Wood with all the sanctions they're reportedly in line to get.

Oh come on, they’ll be able to cobble together the bus fare needed to get those losers off our books! 🤞

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Seeing the Spurs celebrations reminded me of Wembley and how great that day was. Those one off games/moments of success are what it is all about as a football fan.

For that reason - I personally find the level of dislike for Russell Martin to be quite bizarre.

He had one full season here, inherited a shitshow and gave pretty much every Saints fan one of their best days supporting the club winning a playoff final at Wembley. Those moments will be remembered by those who were there forever.

The promotion was wonderful, and of course Martin deserves credit, even if you could argue it was a harder won thing than might have been achieved by another Manager, given the quality of the squad.  I’d say Martin created a shitshow following the promotion, rather than inherited one.  S. Clarke’s forensic summary above details many reasons why he won’t be fondly remembered by many Saints supporters.

Should he be given the Leicester job, I hope he comes in for Manning, Wood, Smallbone, Fraser, Bree and Bazunu.   The least  he could do for us in the circumstances!

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

I actually actually think he’ll do well for Leicester in the Championship, and if they don’t get clobbered with an enormous points penalty they’ll be up there.

But that’s the problem isn’t it???

He most likely would get Leicester promoted but he is not capable of winning in the Premier League. Leicester would likely do what you guys did & stick with him to long & complete the chain & get relegated again.   Leicester and Southampton both need to hire a manager that can get them promoted and also keep them in the premier.

[woodsaint1]

Cant wait until Leicester do the double over us next season. It'll be fun on here 😂

[Maggie May]

4 hours ago, gurru991 said:

But that’s the problem isn’t it???

He most likely would get Leicester promoted but he is not capable of winning in the Premier League. Leicester would likely do what you guys did & stick with him to long & complete the chain & get relegated again.   Leicester and Southampton both need to hire a manager that can get them promoted and also keep them in the premier.

I wish Martin well. We would’ve done a lot better under him in the Premier League if we recruited quality. Granted, Fernandes and Ramsdale have been top drawer but we really needed a full-scale revamp. Too much faith was put on those who helped get us promoted but clearly are not Premier League standard.

[LVSaint]

4 hours ago, gurru991 said:

But that’s the problem isn’t it???

He most likely would get Leicester promoted but he is not capable of winning in the Premier League. Leicester would likely do what you guys did & stick with him to long & complete the chain & get relegated again.   Leicester and Southampton both need to hire a manager that can get them promoted and also keep them in the premier.

Leicester will still have one of the best squads next season won't they? Martin succeeded with us because our squad was solid...we sort of passed the fuck out of the opposition until the opponents got tired and bored, and we grabbed a goal. Yes it got stale after a while but we got promoted. If Martin replicates what he did for us, you've got to ask yourself, on a fuckwit level of 1-10, how do your owners/director rate? Ours is a solid 10, which is why they extended Martin's contract last summer, which lead to his extended tenure, by which time it was too late.

[Whitey Grandad]

17 hours ago, The Kraken said:

He recently gave a long interview with Gary Lineker.  There’s a bit, around 52 - 53 minutes where he’s talking about his time with Saints in the PL and he says “I’ve learned a lot, but would I do things differently? No.”

Also said one of his main mistakes was changing formations too much.

If he wouldn't do things differently then he hasn't learnt much. 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He got us promoted at the first attempt and achieved our longest unbeaten league run in over a century. Will that not do?

We went up by going unbeaten against all the other playoff teams in every game all season. 6 wins and 3 draws, including the playoff games themselves. We were also right in the hunt for the autos with four games left.

I would advise Leicester not to sign Lallana, Sugawara and Wood, should they get promoted, next summer.

 

That’s not how I watched the 28 league games we won under Martin last season but each to their own.

 

Apart from all the times he adapted the team to get a result, such as playing Stephens in the ‘Zinchenko role’ to win away to WBA and changing from a back four to a back five when Bazunu got injured, in order to win the playoffs.

'Longest unbeaten run' was a statistical quirk. We didn't get many points out of it.

[coalman]

I'm on the fence whether Martin would do well at Leicester. His style of football was so ruthlessly exposed last year that everyone will know how to set up against him. The only question is whether sufficient Championship teams have the quality to do it against the quality of Leicester's squad or whatever remains of it.

[coalman]

6 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If he wouldn't do things differently then he hasn't learnt much. 

This is the thing for me. Top level sports people typically have one thing in common - the ability to learn from their mistakes. Martin just made excuses and became more dogmatic. Then appears to have  instilled that culture in the club.

[coalman]

6 hours ago, gurru991 said:

But that’s the problem isn’t it???

He most likely would get Leicester promoted but he is not capable of winning in the Premier League. Leicester would likely do what you guys did & stick with him to long & complete the chain & get relegated again.   Leicester and Southampton both need to hire a manager that can get them promoted and also keep them in the premier.

I think Martin was genuinely unprepared for the step up in both quality and intensity. The question you'd have to ask is how he'd have approached it differently and, as he said to Lineker, he wouldn't.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

8 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Judging from their forum, they seem to be absolutely fuming about this. 😂

True. Just had a scoot over there, not happy, some are clinging to a post from a (as suggested) reasonable ITK that it's all bullshit while others are trying to arrange a protest against RM away at Bournemouth this weekend.

I can't believe he hasn't learned anything from his PL experience (although, fucking unbelievably, he did confess he'd underestimated the strength and intensity once promoted) enough respected pros have criticised his tactics and inability/will to adapt. If it is him he'd better get off to a good start.

 

[bpsaint]

Where’s that post from that Swansea fan that warned us what to expect with Russ and turned out to be 100% bang on. Worth showing it to the Leicester fans.

Edited May 22 by bpsaint

[Give it to Ron]

5 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Cant wait until Leicester do the double over us next season. It'll be fun on here 😂

They did the double on us under Martin 9-1 aggregate 

[Fabrice29]

22 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Where’s that post from that Swansea fan that warned us what to expect with Russ and turned out to be 100% bang on. Worth showing it to the Leicester fans.

Might be worth showing the Swansea fan that we went up and they got worse too. 

[Give it to Ron]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He got us promoted at the first attempt and achieved our longest unbeaten league run in over a century. Will that not do?

We went up by going unbeaten against all the other playoff teams in every game all season. 6 wins and 3 draws, including the playoff games themselves. We were also right in the hunt for the autos with four games left.

I would advise Leicester not to sign Lallana, Sugawara and Wood, should they get promoted, next summer.

 

That’s not how I watched the 28 league games we won under Martin last season but each to their own.

 

Apart from all the times he adapted the team to get a result, such as playing Stephens in the ‘Zinchenko role’ to win away to WBA and changing from a back four to a back five when Bazunu got injured, in order to win the playoffs.

So you don’t do many away games then? The 1-0 at QPR, Millwall?

4-3 at Brum where we couldn’t defend for toffee. The Swansea game where he bought on calamity Stephens who kept passing to Swansea forwards in our box?

I still maintain that had Bazanu not got injured we wouldn’t have gone up no matter what you Martin fan boys think.

[Fabrice29]

8 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

So you don’t do many away games then? The 1-0 at QPR, Millwall?

4-3 at Brum where we couldn’t defend for toffee. The Swansea game where he bought on calamity Stephens who kept passing to Swansea forwards in our box?

I still maintain that had Bazanu not got injured we wouldn’t have gone up no matter what you Martin fan boys think.

I’d probably avoid getting into a battle of naming specific games if I were you. He’s got 28 wins to choose from.

Edited May 22 by Fabrice29

[beatlesaint]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He got us promoted at the first attempt and achieved our longest unbeaten league run in over a century. Will that not do?

We went up by going unbeaten against all the other playoff teams in every game all season. 6 wins and 3 draws, including the playoff games themselves. We were also right in the hunt for the autos with four games left.

Yet despite that long unbeaten run we only finished 4th? 
Go figure.

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’d probably avoid getting into a battle of naming specific games if I were you. He’s got 26 wins to choose from.

Like magic along comes the other Martin fanboy 🙂 It’s ok I have some more away defeats like 5-0 at Leicester I went to abysmal 

Edited May 22 by Give it to Ron

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Like magic along comes the other Martin fanboy 🙂

I’d rather be a fanboy than pretending I didn’t enjoy the season we got promoted.

[Farmer Saint]

7 hours ago, austsaint said:

The promotion was wonderful, and of course Martin deserves credit, even if you could argue it was a harder won thing than might have been achieved by another Manager, given the quality of the squad.  I’d say Martin created a shitshow following the promotion, rather than inherited one.  S. Clarke’s forensic summary above details many reasons why he won’t be fondly remembered by many Saints supporters.

Should he be given the Leicester job, I hope he comes in for Manning, Wood, Smallbone, Fraser, Bree and Bazunu.   The least  he could do for us in the circumstances!

Quality of the squad was poor - that's been shown by how shit the same squad has been in the PL this season under various managers, systems and tactics. We were miles behind Leicester and Leeds in relation to quality of squad for instance, and we didn't have the momentum and manager that Ipswich had, so not sure any more than 4th was likely.

Edited May 22 by Farmer Saint

[skintsaint]

9 hours ago, SaintsBarry74 said:

Judging from their forum, they seem to be absolutely fuming about this. 😂

Don't think I saw one positive comment 😅

[Give it to Ron]

19 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’d rather be a fanboy than pretending I didn’t enjoy the season we got promoted.

Where have I said I didn’t enjoy it don’t make things up.

I wouldn’t expect a gushing lickspittle like you to understand that not all of Martins tactics and games were enjoyable.
WBA and Wembley were great but the point you miss as always was we shouldn’t have needed that if Martin was that great tactically and defensively.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Where have I said I didn’t enjoy it don’t make things up.

I wouldn’t expect a gushing lickspittle like you to understand that not all of Martins tactics and games were enjoyable.
WBA and Wembley were great but the point you miss as always was we shouldn’t have needed that if Martin was that great tactically and defensively.

Nobody said everything was enjoyable either. You’ll do well to find a flawless 46 game season. I don’t agree with the entitled attitude that we should have walked the league or whatever you’re suggesting. We were bottom the year before so on paper the play offs were always a possibility, as they will be next season. Just so happened that Ipswich pipped us and we had to and did get the better of Leeds.

I find the rewriting of history bizarre in regards to Martin and last season. This year, I get the frustration although I don’t agree with it, but last season wasn’t the disaster/failure some like to pretend it was. 

[Roo1976]

56 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Might be worth showing the Swansea fan that we went up and they got worse too. 

Hold that thought.......................................... not as bad as we are now eh?.........................................

[AlexLaw76]

58 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Might be worth showing the Swansea fan that we went up and they got worse too. 

Pretty stupid comparison when about 2-3 of our players annual salary equates to the entire Swansea first team

[austsaint]

35 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Quality of the squad was poor - that's been shown by how shit the same squad has been in the PL this season under various managers, systems and tactics. We were miles behind Leicester and Leeds in relation to quality of squad for instance, and we didn't have the momentum and manager that Ipswich had, so not sure any more than 4th was likely.

The quality of the squad in the Championship was not poor.  It measured up favourably to Leeds and Leicester.   The squad was shit in the PL, largely because Martin didn’t have the judgement to re-shape a competitive squad last summer.   Following the Wilcox departure he had considerable say in recruiting and retention.   The result?…… players of the calibre of Manning, Smallbone, Wood, BBD, Arma, Stephen’s were Martin’s picks to give the Prem a red hot go.

 

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Nobody said everything was enjoyable either. You’ll do well to find a flawless 46 game season. I don’t agree with the entitled attitude that we should have walked the league or whatever you’re suggesting. We were bottom the year before so on paper the play offs were always a possibility, as they will be next season. Just so happened that Ipswich pipped us and we had to and did get the better of Leeds.

I find the rewriting of history bizarre in regards to Martin and last season. This year, I get the frustration although I don’t agree with it, but last season wasn’t the disaster/failure some like to pretend it was. 
 

Where have I stated we should walk the league or it was a disaster? Stop making things up to suit your love of Russball. I guess he will never change and nor will you. Again Wembley was brilliant!

I think one thing all Saints fans agree on our recruitment has been a major factor in this season and unless that’s sorted this summer we will finish lower than Martins 4th position under Still.

[gio1saints]

This sour thinking on RM getting us out of the Championship - based on him failing in the EPL - really does not give him the credit for the promotion season he deserves. 
 

Many Championship clubs would be excited to have him next season. 
 

Whichever new Manager we pick, if they fail to get us promoted first time or even start to look like they won’t get us promoted - I’m worried our fans pent up frustration on our shit show EPL season will be funnelled onto the new guy very early doors.
 

How Russell managed to turn around a poor start after that crap relegation, go on that run and ultimately get us up…well instead of revisionist sneering maybe Saints fans should just allow ourselves a smile. It was bloody great to win and dominate matches for once in our lives as Saints fans! 

Our Championship season was a success.

Our EPL season a shit show. Let’s not confuse the two. 

Edited May 22 by gio1saints

[UpweySaint]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Pretty stupid comparison when about 2-3 of our players annual salary equates to the entire Swansea first team

I don’t think that was the point. Martin got us promoted at first time of asking - opinions vary on how much credit he should take for that.

Swansea, irrespective of what we did, got worse after he left which suggests he was doing a reasonable job with them. There are lots of factors that could impact things beyond the manager but it’s fair to conclude a manager leaving and a club getting worse suggests they were having a positive impact.

I don’t think the OP was making a direct comparison between us and Swansea - as you allude to it’s a bit apples and oranges.

I do find some of the strength of feelings towards Martin bizarre. I fall in the pro Martin camp but felt that letting him go was the right decision in the circumstances. Fwiw I think the club structure around him and the recruitment didn’t help - a little more quality and a proper DOF to offer more challenge might have helped - we had some okay performance early season but kept being undone by repeating silly mistakes which was the major frustration.

He had a couple of grumbles at the fans in press conferences but didn’t do anything horrendous. He was stubborn and naive but it feels that his personality has rubbed some up the wrong way more than anything else.

It will be interesting to see how he does at Leicester - assuming he gets the job.

 

 

 

 

[Fabrice29]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Pretty stupid comparison when about 2-3 of our players annual salary equates to the entire Swansea first team

I think you’ve missed the point here which is pretty stupid in itself. 

12 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Where have I stated we should walk the league or it was a disaster? Stop making things up to suit your love of Russball. I guess he will never change and nor will you. Again Wembley was brilliant!

I think one thing all Saints fans agree on our recruitment has been a major factor in this season and unless that’s sorted this summer we will finish lower than Martins 4th position under Still.

You said we shouldn’t have needed the playoffs. And yes recruitment is the number one factor.

[Fabrice29]

Anyway, my overall point from last night still remains: People who are advocating Steve Cooper as our next manager in one thread shouldn’t be pointing out all the flaws of Martin for the benefit of Leicester fans in another.