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5 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

If he’s given to the end of the year, he’ll have time to implement his plans. 
It does seem like he’s fighting a battle with (some) of the players. Not the best way to do things unless he is able to change the personnel in this transfer window. 
 

10 in, the majority already having first team appearances. 5 out from last year, including end of contracts. It's looking to be a bit of a bloated squad, as they go about the overhaul.

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I’d call beating Panathanaikos  and Victoria pixen recently good results for such a meh set of players he has. 

It’s kind of lazy - and frankly a sign of how intellectually challenged some posters are -  to constantly paint everything he is or does as bad. 

Shakespeare wrote ( in Hamlet if you are interested- which you are not as you probably think Hamlet  is a fancy ham omelette ) but anyways he wrote “there is nothing either good or bad that thinking makes it so” 

You carry on thinking it’s all bad. I will carry on thinking for myself on that.

 

Apologies in advance to all I’ve offended . I was having too much fun and that was a minor tap on the wrist compared to the pages of shit written on RM here. 🤣

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1 hour ago, gio1saints said:



It’s kind of lazy - and frankly a sign of how intellectually challenged some posters are -  to constantly paint everything he is or does as bad. 

Shakespeare wrote ( in Hamlet if you are interested- which you are not as you probably think Hamlet  is a fancy ham omelette ) but anyways he wrote “there is nothing either good or bad that thinking makes it so” 

You carry on thinking it’s all bad. I will carry on thinking for myself on that.

What a load of old pretentious pony.

As Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux wrote “The proof of th' pudding's seen i' the eating.”

Horrendous premier league record and at the moment 5th in a 2 team league, having failed to win a game against 2 sides with a tiny fraction of his squads value. Add to that the awful, boring, sleep inducing “process” of Legoball, it’s pretty hard not to be negative about the fraud….
 

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1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Shakespeare wrote ( in Hamlet if you are interested- which you are not as you probably think Hamlet  is a fancy ham omelette )

Omlettes are never fancy unless you have chips and eggs most days.

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1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

It’s kind of lazy - and frankly a sign of how intellectually challenged some posters are -  to constantly paint everything he is or does as bad. 

Okay, he's not absolutely woeful in all aspects - what he is good at is off-field management. Installing a feeling of camaraderie, uplifting players who have lost their confidence, protecting players from criticism (whether that be deserved or not). He is limited tactically, and he probably knows that, so doubles down on his brand and charisma to protect himself. The trouble is that even his strong points became negatives last season as he refused to adapt. We finished on 12 points, and a great deal of that was due to the softened atmosphere and low standards around Staplewood, which he installed, meaning even though he left in December he was haunting us right up until the end. Keep in mind that the 2020s have on paper gotten linearly worse for us each season as well. I don't think it's reasonable to blame people for still having a hangover about debatably our worst season in history (given the context).

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He'll lose against Celtic and drop points against a couple more of the dross teams, then the crowd will turn toxic and he won't last the season. 

EDIT: OK so they've actually viciously turned on him already and many up there are saying he won't last until Hallowe'en. They aren't buying his 'it will take time' nonsense. https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/martin-every-club-ive-been-a-bit-of-pain-and-when-you-get-through-it-its-worth-it.304843/

 

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Just now, Midfield_General said:

He'll lose against Celtic and drop points against a couple more of the dross teams, then the crowd will turn toxic and he won't last the season. 

Probably odds on that will happen. 

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4 hours ago, gio1saints said:

It’s kind of lazy - and frankly a sign of how intellectually challenged some posters are -  to constantly paint everything he is or does as bad. 

Shakespeare wrote ( in Hamlet if you are interested- which you are not as you probably think Hamlet  is a fancy ham omelette ) but anyways he wrote “there is nothing either good or bad that thinking makes it so” 

I've been telling everyone who'll listen that Rangers drawing to Dundee and Motherwell in the league is a tremendous achievement and proves he is one of the best managers in world football working today.

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2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I've been telling everyone who'll listen that Rangers drawing to Dundee and Motherwell in the league is a tremendous achievement and proves he is one of the best managers in world football working today.

100% unbeaten record. If that doesn't scream dominant football I don't know what does.

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33 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

He'll lose against Celtic and drop points against a couple more of the dross teams, then the crowd will turn toxic and he won't last the season. 

They are none to keen on him now.

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26 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I've been telling everyone who'll listen that Rangers drawing to Dundee and Motherwell in the league is a tremendous achievement and proves he is one of the best managers in world football working today.

And don't forget how brave he is. 

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"Gassama looks terrific running onto the ball, but collecting it into feet he constantly stops, turns inside and plays it back or sideways."

"We are far too slow and predictable in the build up.
Three yard passes, and even when we pick the ball up in acres of space, instead of using it, we manage to turn back. We give Dundee three business days to organise themselves."

"Rothwell is blowing our his arse after 30 mins"

Pages and pages of it. 

Work your magic, Rusty. Work it. 

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3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pretentious pony.

As Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux wrote “The proof of th' pudding's seen i' the eating.”

Horrendous premier league record and at the moment 5th in a 2 team league, having failed to win a game against 2 sides with a tiny fraction of his squads value. Add to that the awful, boring, sleep inducing “process” of Legoball, it’s pretty hard not to be negative about the fraud….
 

Don't have a post saints comment or bias on russ but he's fucking it up for himself as you say in a 2 horse race, they expect to win every week, the brave and other euphemisms he espouses will get him a Glasgow kiss sooner or later.

I think we've seen it for over a year now, the pep and his clones football is not effective.

Look at Enzo at cheslea, way more direct than pep, he learnt from him and then created something else, not just a copy and paste approach Russ seems to have.

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He’s going for another unbeaten record containing about 20 draws isn’t he. Fraud. 

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He is obviously good at selling his managerial talents and unfortunately for Rangers, they fell for it hook line and sinker.

Similar to Sheffield Utd and the utter shite that is Selles.

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3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

He is that obviously good at selling his managerial talents and unfortunately for Rangers, they fell for it hook line and sinker.

Similar to Sheffield Utd and the utter shite that is Selles.

He's still finding plenty of customers to buy the snake oil. However, if he fails at Rangers doing the same stubborn things you do have to wonder if that's his lot in football. Rangers have some decent players but they need to play at a high tempo not Russell's pass for passes sake which just negates their pacey wingers.

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28 minutes ago, saintant said:

He's still finding plenty of customers to buy the snake oil. However, if he fails at Rangers doing the same stubborn things you do have to wonder if that's his lot in football. Rangers have some decent players but they need to play at a high tempo not Russell's pass for passes sake which just negates their pacey wingers.

Should they get through to the CL, he will have more than delivered on a key objective.

They were unlikely to finish above Celtic this year, and the aim there is to see an improvement on last season, or the green shoots of a turnaround.  Not getting beaten in Old Firm games will get him lots of pluses too.

Should Europe go well, even if that's qualifying for CL, before league form does for him, Brand Martin can show off his European acumen to a whole host of new clubs. Which was one of the big draws for him, in joining the club.

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2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Should they get through to the CL, he will have more than delivered on a key objective.

They were unlikely to finish above Celtic this year, and the aim there is to see an improvement on last season, or the green shoots of a turnaround.  Not getting beaten in Old Firm games will get him lots of pluses too.

Should Europe go well, even if that's qualifying for CL, before league form does for him, Brand Martin can show off his European acumen to a whole host of new clubs. Which was one of the big draws for him, in joining the club.

Their fans in the main seem to disagree with you. On the whole they are saying all the things we were during his tenure here after two draws against poor opposition in the SPL. 

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10 minutes ago, saintant said:

Their fans in the main seem to disagree with you. On the whole they are saying all the things we were during his tenure here after two draws against poor opposition in the SPL. 

When I said deliver on a key objective, I was meaning to the board. The rest of the post was Brand Martin. He could get sacked in October, but still come out with some pluses.

The Rangers fans, on the other hand, aren't daft. They understand what he's like as well as we did. The reactions are going to be broadly the same plus all the additional expectations they have for being Rangers.

 

 

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Usually when a team gets a new manager, there’s a bit of guess work as to how they’ll set up, what style the manager will choose to play with the players they have at their disposal etc. This helps the ‘new manager bounce’, a bit like when a player like Dibling breaks through and defenders don’t know his game so find it difficult to defend against. 

Martin is so dogmatic and inflexible in his tactics and system that the Motherwell and Dundee managers will have known exactly how to play against them. Just watch more or less any Saints/ Swansea/ MK Dons footage and you’ll know what you’re getting. 

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Go onto their forums now and they have almost unanimously turned on him already. 2 points from Motherwell and Dundee with Celtic next up means lose to their biggest rivals and the league could literally be out of reach by the end of August. The awful results plus a complete rejection of what they’ve seen of his style of play in the league so far have got a lot of them calling for him to go already, which is insane but he was never going to get the leeway up there if he didn’t come flying out of the blocks. Him doing his ‘it takes time, trust the process’ thing is just throwing fuel on the fire. Time is the one thing they absolutely will not give him. They didn’t want him and now they’ve seen how ineffective his style is against teams who sit deep - which in the SPL vs Rangers is basically 90% of them - it’s gone toxic already. He needs to beat Celtic to have a chance of getting them back onside at this point, regardless of whether they get through in Europe or not. 

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Maybe I'm bitter, but I have never wanted someone to fail as much as I do this wanker. 

Its fantastic (and blindingly obvious) to see that his style and stubborness isn't translating well up there. 

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3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Go onto their forums now and they have almost unanimously turned on him already. 2 points from Motherwell and Dundee with Celtic next up means lose to their biggest rivals and the league could literally be out of reach by the end of August. The awful results plus a complete rejection of what they’ve seen of his style of play in the league so far have got a lot of them calling for him to go already, which is insane but he was never going to get the leeway up there if he didn’t come flying out of the blocks. Him doing his ‘it takes time, trust the process’ thing is just throwing fuel on the fire. Time is the one thing they absolutely will not give him. They didn’t want him and now they’ve seen how ineffective his style is against teams who sit deep - which in the SPL vs Rangers is basically 90% of them - it’s gone toxic already. He needs to beat Celtic to have a chance of getting them back onside at this point, regardless of whether they get through in Europe or not. 

His rant after the first game has not gone down well with the experienced players apparently. I never really took to him and let my guard drop after the wonderful day at Wembley and post match but that lasted not too long into the season as I had hoped he would turn things, but his inability to be pragmatic just turned me

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On 10/08/2025 at 11:38, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pretentious pony.

As Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux wrote “The proof of th' pudding's seen i' the eating.”

Horrendous premier league record and at the moment 5th in a 2 team league, having failed to win a game against 2 sides with a tiny fraction of his squads value. Add to that the awful, boring, sleep inducing “process” of Legoball, it’s pretty hard not to be negative about the fraud….
 

You just don’t understand Martin-ball. It hasn’t been tried correctly. It was tried in a backwards team, not the advanced squad as written. If Martin actually believed in Martin-ball, it would’ve worked. 

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5 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Go onto their forums now and they have almost unanimously turned on him already. 2 points from Motherwell and Dundee with Celtic next up means lose to their biggest rivals and the league could literally be out of reach by the end of August. The awful results plus a complete rejection of what they’ve seen of his style of play in the league so far have got a lot of them calling for him to go already, which is insane but he was never going to get the leeway up there if he didn’t come flying out of the blocks. Him doing his ‘it takes time, trust the process’ thing is just throwing fuel on the fire. Time is the one thing they absolutely will not give him. They didn’t want him and now they’ve seen how ineffective his style is against teams who sit deep - which in the SPL vs Rangers is basically 90% of them - it’s gone toxic already. He needs to beat Celtic to have a chance of getting them back onside at this point, regardless of whether they get through in Europe or not. 

At Ibrox, must win for him to get some breathing space. That’s the day to be pragmatic - the win is the only thing that matters in a city where depending on which hospital fighting and drunken supporters are admitted to, they have been known to attack nursing staff in blue/green aprons (contingent on whichever side the drunken fan with a split head is from).

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42 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

At Ibrox, must win for him to get some breathing space. That’s the day to be pragmatic - the win is the only thing that matters in a city where depending on which hospital fighting and drunken supporters are admitted to, they have been known to attack nursing staff in blue/green aprons (contingent on whichever side the drunken fan with a split head is from).

The irony is that if his style is going to work against anyone up there, it might actually work against Celtic because unlike pretty much any other team in the SPL they will actually come out and attack Rangers. Martin’s whole philosophy is about drawing teams in and then trying to expose spaces they leave when they press, and Celtic will actually come forward and have a go at them so it might work. 

But the massive problem he has and the reason he is crashing and burning in the league at the moment is because every other SPL team other than Celtic just parks the bus with two banks of five when they play Rangers. They have no interest in attacking and just come to sit deep and get a point. As we know, Martin’s style is completely ineffective to break down a low block because it’s so slow and ponderous and his teams just end up just endlessly passing it from side to side in areas of the pitch that aren’t dangerous while the opposition happily sit back and let them do it. 

That’s what’s happened so far against Motherwell and Dundee who are dross and it’s why the fans are so angry. They were told they were getting someone who knew how to break down a packed defence, and of course Martin talks a great game and got them believing it. But now they are seeing what his teams actually do on the pitch they are tearing their hair out because it’s so ineffective and anyone who knows how defensively teams play against Rangers could have told you that his approach wouldn’t work against that. 

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2 hours ago, OldNick said:

His rant after the first game has not gone down well with the experienced players apparently. I never really took to him and let my guard drop after the wonderful day at Wembley and post match but that lasted not too long into the season as I had hoped he would turn things, but his inability to be pragmatic just turned me

Yeah, it’s a difficult dressing room that has already seen off a bunch of managers and as he can’t shift them out he now has to rely on a bunch of players he publicly slagged off and threw under the bus after his very first league game, to play for him and get him out of trouble. Someone’s also leaking his team selections a day before they play. So he’s definitely got a mole and it’s possible he may have lost the dressing room already. It was a big, big gamble to go in so hard and so early on players he’s going to need to keep picking. If they’ve already decided they’re not having him and down tools, he’s screwed. 

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On 09/08/2025 at 20:09, Harry_SFC said:

Looks like they snatched a point with a last minute penalty but their fans are already turning against him. I really don't think Martin will last long there if I'm honest.

Rangers looks better on the CV (assuming he doesn't fuck it) but Leicester is the one he should have gone for, longevity-wise.

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On 09/08/2025 at 23:39, SambaMaverick said:

50% of their fume is about him not wearing a shirt and tie, they are an odd bunch but have worked him out exceptionally quickly

To be fair, they've watched a pretty good prequel with us last season.

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17 minutes ago, kitch said:

Rangers looks better on the CV (assuming he doesn't fuck it) but Leicester is the one he should have gone for, longevity-wise.

I really wanted him to get the Fox job, that would have been incredibly entertaining. They are a rival, anything that hinders them would be good in my eyes. But watching him put them through the 'work in progress' stage would have been highly amusing. 

I don't have a particular grudge against RM, but his inflexibility has caused us all some big football trauma. If I were to pick a rival in the Championship for the soul destroying tactics he persists with, it would be Leicester. 

They really dodged a bullet. 

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Any chance we can just have some shots on goal Russell?

It’s much harder to create shots on goal when your build up is so slow that the opposition just drop back into their defensive shape so easily.

That’s what fannying about at the back enables.

The system adds more risk to us than our opponents.
 
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22 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I really wanted him to get the Fox job, that would have been incredibly entertaining. They are a rival, anything that hinders them would be good in my eyes. But watching him put them through the 'work in progress' stage would have been highly amusing. 

I don't have a particular grudge against RM, but his inflexibility has caused us all some big football trauma. If I were to pick a rival in the Championship for the soul destroying tactics he persists with, it would be Leicester. 

They really dodged a bullet. 

How did they dodge a bullet ?,they also got relegated.

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1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

The irony is that if his style is going to work against anyone up there, it might actually work against Celtic because unlike pretty much any other team in the SPL they will actually come out and attack Rangers. Martin’s whole philosophy is about drawing teams in and then trying to expose spaces they leave when they press, and Celtic will actually come forward and have a go at them so it might work. 

But the massive problem he has and the reason he is crashing and burning in the league at the moment is because every other SPL team other than Celtic just parks the bus with two banks of five when they play Rangers. They have no interest in attacking and just come to sit deep and get a point. As we know, Martin’s style is completely ineffective to break down a low block because it’s so slow and ponderous and his teams just end up just endlessly passing it from side to side in areas of the pitch that aren’t dangerous while the opposition happily sit back and let them do it. 

That’s what’s happened so far against Motherwell and Dundee who are dross and it’s why the fans are so angry. They were told they were getting someone who knew how to break down a packed defence, and of course Martin talks a great game and got them believing it. But now they are seeing what his teams actually do on the pitch they are tearing their hair out because it’s so ineffective and anyone who knows how defensively teams play against Rangers could have told you that his approach wouldn’t work against that. 

Can we show Rangers fans the 90 minutes of Rotherham at home last time round for them to really appreciate the intricacies of what they can expect when the pride, bravery and process really kicks in in October.

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1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

The irony is that if his style is going to work against anyone up there, it might actually work against Celtic because unlike pretty much any other team in the SPL they will actually come out and attack Rangers. Martin’s whole philosophy is about drawing teams in and then trying to expose spaces they leave when they press, and Celtic will actually come forward and have a go at them so it might work. 

But the massive problem he has and the reason he is crashing and burning in the league at the moment is because every other SPL team other than Celtic just parks the bus with two banks of five when they play Rangers. They have no interest in attacking and just come to sit deep and get a point. As we know, Martin’s style is completely ineffective to break down a low block because it’s so slow and ponderous and his teams just end up just endlessly passing it from side to side in areas of the pitch that aren’t dangerous while the opposition happily sit back and let them do it. 

That’s what’s happened so far against Motherwell and Dundee who are dross and it’s why the fans are so angry. They were told they were getting someone who knew how to break down a packed defence, and of course Martin talks a great game and got them believing it. But now they are seeing what his teams actually do on the pitch they are tearing their hair out because it’s so ineffective and anyone who knows how defensively teams play against Rangers could have told you that his approach wouldn’t work against that. 

It'll probably work just as well as it did when we played Leicester, Hull, Sunderland and Ipswich under his tenure. 

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8 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

It'll probably work just as well as it did when we played Leicester, Hull, Sunderland and Ipswich under his tenure. 

God, that Sunderland game. 79% possession at one point and lost 5-0. Schooled by Tony Mowbray and a team who ended up coming 16th. Everything that was wrong with the ‘philosophy’ there on show for all to see. Putrid. 

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23 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Some guy on Sky Sports a few minutes ago, didn’t catch his name, was doing his best to defend him. 
 

Needs time, patience from fans blah blah blah

As we’ve seen, given time and patience it gets worse. 

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2 hours ago, Roo1976 said:
Any chance we can just have some shots on goal Russell?

It’s much harder to create shots on goal when your build up is so slow that the opposition just drop back into their defensive shape so easily.

That’s what fannying about at the back enables.

The system adds more risk to us than our opponents.
 
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Oh dear. He’s actually just sat in a press conference and tried to paint dropping points to Motherwell and at home to Dundee as “part of a 5-match unbeaten run”. This after saying after the Dundee game “I was pleased we didn’t lose”. 

They are losing their shit at him, saying he doesn’t understand the culture, has a loser’s mentality etc. As far as they are concerned, a Rangers manager should expect to win every game. They aren’t buying his spin at all. He was always going to be under a lot more scrutiny up there but it’s incredible how quickly they have turned. 

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1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Oh dear. He’s actually just sat in a press conference and tried to paint dropping points to Motherwell and at home to Dundee as “part of a 5-match unbeaten run”. This after saying after the Dundee game “I was pleased we didn’t lose”. 

They are losing their shit at him, saying he doesn’t understand the culture, has a loser’s mentality etc. As far as they are concerned, a Rangers manager should expect to win every game. They aren’t buying his spin at all. He was always going to be under a lot more scrutiny up there but it’s incredible how quickly they have turned. 

Just like Saintsweb I think you'll find it's just a vocal minority who don't understand the way he's trying to play. If they understood football then they would see that he deserved more points that he had already and it's going to all come together any day now. The majority of the Rangers fanbase stand together in silent awe at the dawning of a new era of Scottish dominance.

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7 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Oh dear. He’s actually just sat in a press conference and tried to paint dropping points to Motherwell and at home to Dundee as “part of a 5-match unbeaten run”. This after saying after the Dundee game “I was pleased we didn’t lose”. 

They are losing their shit at him, saying he doesn’t understand the culture, has a loser’s mentality etc. As far as they are concerned, a Rangers manager should expect to win every game. They aren’t buying his spin at all. He was always going to be under a lot more scrutiny up there but it’s incredible how quickly they have turned. 

How come these ungrateful Rangers fans don't realise that unbeaten runs are something to be celebrated and cherished, with trumpets, dancing girls, bunting and ticker tape parades? They could certainly learn a thing or two from us Saints fans in that regard, that's for sure.... ;)

#letitgo #moveon

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I know I should let it go, but I just can’t…

The unshakeable belief in something that doesn’t work, and the way so many people seem to fall for it. The total, unwavering commitment to such a deeply and obviously flawed principle. The falling upwards. 

I must admit, he fascinates me. 

(Not in a gay way)

(Well maybe a bit, at the beginning. But not now) 

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53 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Oh dear. He’s actually just sat in a press conference and tried to paint dropping points to Motherwell and at home to Dundee as “part of a 5-match unbeaten run”. This after saying after the Dundee game “I was pleased we didn’t lose”. 

They are losing their shit at him, saying he doesn’t understand the culture, has a loser’s mentality etc. As far as they are concerned, a Rangers manager should expect to win every game. They aren’t buying his spin at all. He was always going to be under a lot more scrutiny up there but it’s incredible how quickly they have turned. 

I agree with everything you said apart from it being incredible how quickly they have turned. 

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