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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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2 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

I could see him on strictly - think he would do well 

Can just imagine his reaction after getting 3s and 4s in his first round...

"I'm actually a very good dancer, but my style is too modern and progressive for the judges to appreciate. Once they understand my process I'm sure one of them will be brave enough to give me a 10".

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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"There's not enough harmony or care for each other quite yet. We knew that coming in... We have to build that. That harmony has been disrupted for sure.
 

There it is. It’s the fact he’s inherited players with a lack of care and harmony. Still the previous managers fault then.

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Verbal

Verbal

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1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said:

Nah - some daft bugger from here will still be holding a candle for him! 🙄

I think he's BRILLIANT

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I hate Rangers
Bushey Saint

Bushey Saint

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1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

It’ll be the previous regimes fault. Another classic Martin go-to excuse to attempt to deflect from his deficiencies. 
“There’s no magic wand, this club have been getting bad results for many years”.

Straight from the Harry Redknapp school of blaming prior management for his bad results 

 

Would kindly not mention Harry Redknapp in a thread about Russell Martin?  I'm having enough trouble with my blood pressure as it is!

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Russell Martin's post match reaction (just for LOLz);

  • Start terribly, they score first time they enter the half
  • then we have a man sent off, made it difficult, we lost heads
  • Nothing more to say other than apologise to the fans
  • Such basic errors should not happen, we must show a response on Sun
  • Start badly as there is not enough harmony in the group, we must heal
  • We knew that when we came in
  • Not enough players do not want to fight for the club
  • Some guys are really trying, some are not, window shuts soon
  • The group as a whole, the club, the harmony needs to be better
  • this really hurts, and we must respond on sun
  • I cant say anything to the fans other than apologies and win on sun
  • No fear about the job, the board are really supportive
  • All knew this could take time, focus must be for sun
  • We must accept the pain, accept the humiliation and use it
  • We will see how much sun defines my job, I can only try and perform

 

Sounds as though he knows an equally terrible Old Firm debut as manger will force the hand of his employers. Form supportive board to Sunday defining his job. 

Some of his comments are not wrong. Going down to 10 did make it difficult, They did lose their heads and make basic errors. There is a lack of harmony in the squad, they do need reinforced and there are some who fight a lot more than others. And yes, getting his system in place will take time (possibly until the sun goes nova)

But he will never understand that those lost looks, the tactical and positional errors and a system falling apart are down to the way he puts them out there. He will never get that so many other teams are fitter and sharper, because he trains his squad to play differently. 

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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I noticed he's blaming everything that went before, poor players, players want out, scar tissue, all that nonsense.

He's creating his own scar tissue as he did with us. He makes it sound like it was a mess and they finished nowhere in the SPL, but they came second on 75-80 points and qualified for the Champions league. It can't have been 'that' bad.

I saw him bring up their relegation years as well, when they dropped down to the 2nd division - why is that relevant? They've bossed the league under Gerrard since then.

All he does is deflect, deflect, deflect. It's infuriating. The bloke is a charlatan and in many ways it's good for the national media to now see it in black and white, we weren't as 'interesting', but Rangers are a bigger deal.

He won't get another job after this in management.

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Bushey Saint

Bushey Saint

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I hold no grudge with Rangers, but I was almost praying for a result like this - anything to show Martin up got the incompetent charlatan that he is.  But you just know that he will turn up again like the proverbial bad penny as a muppet on Sky's coverage.  Thank God I cancelled that subscription.

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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24 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wasn’t just him though was it. Far too many Nods were “impressed “ by him (and his buddy Wilcox, how’s it going at Utd), stuck up for him and blamed the players. Even chumps like Blackmore sucked up to him until the very end. 

We went up despite him, and we’re a fucking mess because of him. 


^ this. A million times this.

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LuckyNumber7

LuckyNumber7

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25 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wasn’t just him though was it. Far too many Nods were “impressed “ by him (and his buddy Wilcox, how’s it going at Utd), stuck up for him and blamed the players. Even chumps like Blackmore sucked up to him until the very end. 

We went up despite him, and we’re a fucking mess because of him. 

Yes, thank god there was such an improvement after he was sacked, wasn't the quality of players at all...

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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1 minute ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Yes, thank god there was such an improvement after he was sacked, wasn't the quality of players at all...

The rot had set in by then. Yes the players weren’t up to it, but they were coached appallingly. And the straw that broke the camels back for most was that when it was clear that a record breakingly bad season was a distinct possibility, he doubled down on his approach and by doing so knowingly threw the entire football club under the bus to protect his own “image”.

 

There is no world where 12 points is an acceptable return. No one will get less than 20 points this season I can almost guarantee you that. 

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trousers

trousers

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35 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wasn’t just him though was it. Far too many Nods were “impressed “ by him (and his buddy Wilcox, how’s it going at Utd), stuck up for him and blamed the players. Even chumps like Blackmore sucked up to him until the very end. 

We went up despite him, and we’re a fucking mess because of him. 

Yeah, quite a few people on here stuck up for previous poor managers... ;)

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SWLondon Saint

SWLondon Saint

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I mean watching that just makes me feel sorry for the players who've been sent out like lambs to the slaughter. Not surprised Fraser / Taylor fell out with him last season, maybe they offered some home truths about how crap his training was.

Hopefully Still can get the Russball exorcised from our players.

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

I mean watching that just makes me feel sorry for the players who've been sent out like lambs to the slaughter. Not surprised Fraser / Taylor fell out with him last season, maybe they offered some home truths about how crap his training was.

Hopefully Still can get the Russball exorcised from our players.

My take at the time, was that Taylor wasn’t having Martins bullshit philosophy whatsoever and called him out on its flaws, having spent several years playing fairly successfully under a manager in Dyche who’s the polar opposite. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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44 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Can just imagine his reaction after getting 3s and 4s in his first round...

"I'm actually a very good dancer, but my style is too modern and progressive for the judges to appreciate. Once they understand my process I'm sure one of them will be brave enough to give me a 10".

Is that a 10 inches ?

coalman

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Before the match "we're still in every competition with a good chance"

After the match "we just qualified for the Europa League under difficult circumstances"

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Verbal

Verbal

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57 minutes ago, coalman said:

Before the match "we're still in every competition with a good chance"

After the match "we just qualified for the Europa League under difficult circumstances"

Qualifying for relegation may be a stretch but it sounds like he'll give it a go.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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19 minutes ago, coalman said:

He's already managed to coach them to not defend crosses, or press players around the box, or pick up runners. Remarkable in such a short space if time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/cvgnypj99xxo

It is noticeable to anyone who has seen him coach their team, how many of the same glaring things appear with his coaching. He, of course, will embrace this as his system being there, only for those pesky human players to not be able to implement it.

I listened to a BBC Scotland post match podcast. One of them flat out told him that the Rangers fans now wanted him to go. How could he possibly reconnect with them?

By winning the Old Firm was the answer. It was incredibly blunt.

While the performance spoke for itself, the Shortbread pundits, with the exception of Billy Dodds, were also embarrassing. Forcing their own views onto the narrative, only to constantly reinvent them in the face of evidence and other opinions. Tom English though Rothwell was a top English player. Because someone told him, not because of anything he'd actually seen or any ability to interpret more than a sound it's.

Dodds pretty much had the Will Still line. No matter what, you have to win. Nothing else matters. How you got the win can be looked at and changes made. But that comes first for Rangers and Celtic.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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What we are seeing is a just a continuation of what he does

Can’t set up a team to defend to save his life.

Difference this time, he does not have a compliant fans base and is under pressure to deliver from day 1

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What we are seeing is a just a continuation of what he does

Can’t set up a team to defend to save his life.

Difference this time, he does not have a complaint fans base and is under pressure to deliver from day 1

Freudian typo?

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malcolm waldron

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14 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It is noticeable to anyone who has seen him coach their team, how many of the same glaring things appear with his coaching. He, of course, will embrace this as his system being there, only for those pesky human players to not be able to implement it.

I listened to a BBC Scotland post match podcast. One of them flat out told him that the Rangers fans now wanted him to go. How could he possibly reconnect with them?

By winning the Old Firm was the answer. It was incredibly blunt.

While the performance spoke for itself, the Shortbread pundits, with the exception of Billy Dodds, were also embarrassing. Forcing their own views onto the narrative, only to constantly reinvent them in the face of evidence and other opinions. Tom English though Rothwell was a top English player. Because someone told him, not because of anything he'd actually seen or any ability to interpret more than a sound it's.

Dodds pretty much had the Will Still line. No matter what, you have to win. Nothing else matters. How you got the win can be looked at and changes made. But that comes first for Rangers and Celtic.

I enjoy your posts H&W - and your era-defining user name!  Genuine question - you post a lot, and with a fair bit of detail,  about the Gers.  Any reason?  Second team?

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BotleySaint

BotleySaint

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I reckon he'll deploy 5-5-0 against Celtic with their best strikers in the "attacking bench" formation in the dugout. That'll scare 'em. 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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I reckon he may go with the wide striker option, from the touch line, a CB at full back to add solidity.

he will demand bravery, and want the team to embrace the pain 

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rallyboy

rallyboy

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People shouldn't be so swift to judge, he's clearly building something at Rangers and making a name for himself, it's quite a feat to take the squad he has and produce these results.

He's inherited a very difficult situation, player unrest, great expectation, so it's easy to criticise but it's very early days and there are a lot of positives.

The 66% possession against Motherwell was impressive, 88% pass accuracy, 17 shots, of which only 12 ended up in the car park, he's managed to turn a sinking ship around 360 degrees - and he clearly still loves himself, his hair is voluminous and to his credit he's still brave enough to take on any post-match interview, whatever the result, and to throw anyone else under the bus.

So the naysayers, those picky Rangers fans demanding instant results against part time opposition, they need to hold their nerve. Like we did when we were regularly 5-0 down against poor sides and looking utterly clueless and shambolic, but that all turned out alright, and thanks to the foundations, the tactics and team spirit Martin put in place, we smashed Derby's record.

 

 

 

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beatlesaint

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I think as far as the fans are concerned he's already past the point of no return, even if they do beat Celtic Sunday it wont cut much ice if the foillowing week they go to Livingston and lose.

OldNick

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12 minutes ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

Are you in the sun? Wasnt backed, he got the players he asked for and we paid well over the top for the ones he wanted. It is no surprise his team is shipping goals, hes been a busted flush for a season. His style of football doesnt work, and if you forgive him for what he was responsible for last season you reall yneed to have a chat with yourself

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tdmickey3

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30 minutes ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

Morning Russell, been out and about in Glasgow this morning........... no. thought not

sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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34 minutes ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

Oh, so you're Russ?! Here's me thinking you were an Evertonian. 

coalman

coalman

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34 minutes ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

Because scouts the world over have been fighting over getting Joe Slothwell to build their midfields around and Max Arrons marauding from right back. Martin has done incredibly well in spite of having those forced on him.

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coalman

coalman

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1 minute ago, sfc4prem said:

Oh, so you're Russ?! Here's me thinking you were an Evertonian. 

Come for whining about the Dibling transfer. Stay for the post transfer trolling.

kitch

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48 minutes ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

4/10

Coastal

Coastal

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39 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Are you in the sun? Wasnt backed, he got the players he asked for and we paid well over the top for the ones he wanted. It is no surprise his team is shipping goals, hes been a busted flush for a season. His style of football doesnt work, and if you forgive him for what he was responsible for last season you reall yneed to have a chat with yourself

The board knew Martin's philosophy yet they bought him a load of duds instead of pushing the envelope and bringing in the kind of calibre of player that embraces the system.

 

Too many happy clappers, some are delighted we sold Fernandes and Dibling so close to the end of the window where we can't spend a bean. The board will pocket the bulk of those funds you watch.

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Colinjb

Colinjb

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1 hour ago, Coastal said:

A good manager who wasnt backed here and neither has he at Rangers.

Give the man good players to work with and watch him cook.

Bless, you're not even trying.

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