Mateus Fernandes

[malcolm waldron]

2 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

 

RichV WHUFC

Re: The West Ham Summer 2025 transfer thread

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Post Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:23 pm

I'd prefer Fernandes but if Southampton want to muck around… I think El Khannouss is not far behind and looks to be a much better price. This is one where I do think it is well worth proceeding with El Khannouss to see if it jolts Southampton or not… If it doesn't let's get him in and maybe someone else too! Also we should have a word with Moysey, both us and Everton can give Saints the silent treatment and maybe they'll start negotiating

 

Poster on KUMB thinks they should go for El Khannous to force us to accept a bid for Fernandes. Sure, buying one of our rivals best players, and thus significantly weakening them, will force us to sell ours. 

Unless a relegated club is in financial trouble, which we aren't, having already made £35 million on players sales/loans with a significant cut in the wage bill, then we have every right to ask for a price we want for our best players. The only way that changes is if the player or his agent start getting antsy.

The closer we get to the end of the window, the more buying clubs will panic spend. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler and Matty go, maybe even Taylor too, but we'll be selling on our terms.

 

 

But don't forget - we only got 12 points last season which means we're in no position to negotiate apparently.....

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Turkish]

Just now, malcolm waldron said:

But don't forget - we only got 12 points last season which means we're in no position to negotiate apparently.....

You would think some pundits might actually praise us for sticking to our guns and not bending over, particularly as in the past we've had a reputation as selling to the first bidder. But i guess that doesn't suit the premier league brand.

[kitch]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Only issue being that the only reason kwp didn't go was because no one showed much interest. 

That's only supposing though, isn't it? We don't know that he didn't have an approach, though granted not as public as Dibling and Matty F appear to have.

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

 

RichV WHUFC

Re: The West Ham Summer 2025 transfer thread

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Post Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:23 pm

I'd prefer Fernandes but if Southampton want to muck around… I think El Khannouss is not far behind and looks to be a much better price. This is one where I do think it is well worth proceeding with El Khannouss to see if it jolts Southampton or not… If it doesn't let's get him in and maybe someone else too! Also we should have a word with Moysey, both us and Everton can give Saints the silent treatment and maybe they'll start negotiating

 

Poster on KUMB thinks they should go for El Khannous to force us to accept a bid for Fernandes. Sure, buying one of our rivals best players, and thus significantly weakening them, will force us to sell ours. 

Unless a relegated club is in financial trouble, which we aren't, having already made £35 million on players sales/loans with a significant cut in the wage bill, then we have every right to ask for a price we want for our best players. The only way that changes is if the player or his agent start getting antsy.

The closer we get to the end of the window, the more buying clubs will panic spend. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler and Matty go, maybe even Taylor too, but we'll be selling on our terms.

 

 

For once it does seem like Leicester will be in the same situation of losing players as most relegated clubs.  Sounds like there's interest in El Khannouss, Fatawu and Winks, and obviously just lost their keeper too.  Think I read somewhere that El Khannouss has a 30M release clause if a prem club comes in for him but it expires soon, so if anyone is going to get him, it'll probably be in the next couple of days.

[OldNick]

6 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

'For the time being' is the point, means they will be back

[Miltonaggro]

8 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

@ExWHUEmployee = Harry Redknapp

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

@ExWHUEmployee = Harry Redknapp

Nah, he cant text , let alone use social media.

Might be Rosie though

[HarvSFC]

Sullivan's mouthpiece wouldn't say that a player has little, or no interest in a move to West Ham, that would paint a negative. They're pushing a narrative that favours West Ham. Until they meet our valuation Fernandes is here.

[LuckyNumber7]

25 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

 

RichV WHUFC

Re: The West Ham Summer 2025 transfer thread

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Post Thu Aug 14, 2025 12:23 pm

I'd prefer Fernandes but if Southampton want to muck around… I think El Khannouss is not far behind and looks to be a much better price. This is one where I do think it is well worth proceeding with El Khannouss to see if it jolts Southampton or not… If it doesn't let's get him in and maybe someone else too! Also we should have a word with Moysey, both us and Everton can give Saints the silent treatment and maybe they'll start negotiating

 

Poster on KUMB thinks they should go for El Khannous to force us to accept a bid for Fernandes. Sure, buying one of our rivals best players, and thus significantly weakening them, will force us to sell ours. 

Unless a relegated club is in financial trouble, which we aren't, having already made £35 million on players sales/loans with a significant cut in the wage bill, then we have every right to ask for a price we want for our best players. The only way that changes is if the player or his agent start getting antsy.

The closer we get to the end of the window, the more buying clubs will panic spend. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler and Matty go, maybe even Taylor too, but we'll be selling on our terms.

 

 

I've never understood views like this, like they think they're doing us a favour by lowballing us on our star players.

Let's offer £25m for Bowen, and if they reject it give them the silent treatment until they start negotiating.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

west ham have been doing this every summer for the last like 10yrs.

put in a offer they know that wont be accepted, get in the media, then get someone cheaper from elsewhere.

[SuperSAINT]

6 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

west ham have been doing this every summer for the last like 10yrs.

put in a offer they know that wont be accepted, get in the media, then get someone cheaper from elsewhere.

Even the media were briefed that they were confident they would get it done for £30m which seemed to indicate zero due diligence.

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

You would think some pundits might actually praise us for sticking to our guns and not bending over, particularly as in the past we've had a reputation as selling to the first bidder. But i guess that doesn't suit the premier league brand.

Doesn't fit their narrative. We've got them by the cajones and they're beginning to squeal.

Stand firm SR, Cheapskates needn't bother knocking at our door.

[Lighthouse]

50 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

west ham have been doing this every summer for the last like 10yrs.

put in a offer they know that wont be accepted, get in the media, then get someone cheaper from elsewhere.

TBF, they do need to start cutting costs. The recent VPN laws have seriously affected their owners' income.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Think he will go myself ..if the board really wanted to keep him we could just say 100 m or piss off.. instead we just seem like we will negotiate at a fair price 

[Miltonaggro]

2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Think he will go myself ..if the board really wanted to keep him we could just say 100 m or piss off.. instead we just seem like we will negotiate at a fair price 

He will but will take decent club and Lavia money. 

[SuperSAINT]

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[CB Fry]

36 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

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What's the relevance? 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What's the relevance? 

Maybe if they sell him Juve will finally activate that €50m release clause we’ve got for Alcaraz.

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What's the relevance? 

I guess because Forest are still being linked with Fernandes, and Douglas Luiz is a central midfielder. Albeit not particularly similar to Fernandes. 

Edited August 14 by Matthew Le God

[SNSUN]

4 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Think he will go myself ..if the board really wanted to keep him we could just say 100 m or piss off.. instead we just seem like we will negotiate at a fair price 

He probably will go but: A good price for a good player. Which isn't 30 million. SR take these punts on unknown players to maximise profit. It's not always a fan's favourite attitude, hell it's not my favourite attitude, but when it works, it really works. The club will sell him for a fee which more or less matches their valuation which is 50 million+. 40 something + incentives will possibly get it done but WH are low balling. Amorim is a fan... Mateus could yet get better offers than the Bubble lovers.

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I guess because Forest are still being linked with Fernandes, and Douglas Luiz is a central midfielder. Albeit not particularly similar to Fernandes. 

Their move for Mcatee is probably more relevant in their pursuit of Fernandes.

That probably sticks a pin in that one.

[SuperSAINT]

10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Their move for Mcatee is probably more relevant in their pursuit of Fernandes.

That probably sticks a pin in that one.

McAtee has been virtually wrapped up for some time & John Percy still mentioned wanting Matty-F in his latest report.

[Coastal]

The one player we cannot afford to lose this summer in my opinion.

[pimpin4rizeal]

15 hours ago, SNSUN said:

He probably will go but: A good price for a good player. Which isn't 30 million. SR take these punts on unknown players to maximise profit. It's not always a fan's favourite attitude, hell it's not my favourite attitude, but when it works, it really works. The club will sell him for a fee which more or less matches their valuation which is 50 million+. 40 something + incentives will possibly get it done but WH are low balling. Amorim is a fan... Mateus could yet get better offers than the Bubble lovers.

It’s not my idea of really working. Losing the few decent signings/or academy prospects nearly every year just weakens the first team. Sales of the good signings  are paying for the ones that don’t work out it’s very 2 steps forward 3 steps back .

we never really try to build a good team out of any decent players we aquire  we buy potential but we don’t get the benefit of the potential on the field ..

Football is getting totally broken atm look at the Isak situation at Newcastle it’s getting to the stage that soon the buying club will dictate how much they pay for the player say for example they only offered 70 m for isak then he strikes and only wants Liverpool .. what they gonna do ?? 

Edited August 15 by pimpin4rizeal

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s not my idea of really working. Losing the few decent signings/or academy prospects nearly every year just weakens the first team. Sales of the good signings  are paying for the ones that don’t work out it’s very 2 steps forward 3 steps back .

we never really try to build a good team out of any decent players we aquire  we buy potential but we don’t get the benefit of the potential on the field ..

Football is getting totally broken atm look at the Isak situation at Newcastle it’s getting to the stage that soon the buying club will dictate how much they pay for the player say for example they only offered 70 m for isak then he strikes and only wants Liverpool .. what they gonna do ?? 

Even if clubs want to keep a player to build the agents manipulate things so that a move is made. So difficult even the big clubs have players unsettled by others. It seems the CL is such a draw and so players want to gravitate to there

[wild-saint]

21 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Think he will go myself ..if the board really wanted to keep him we could just say 100 m or piss off.. instead we just seem like we will negotiate at a fair price 

Not if they have agreed with the player that if they get a certain figure they would reluctantly let him go if that’s what he wanted. Keeps the player happy and less chance of forcing a move a lower value.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s not my idea of really working. Losing the few decent signings/or academy prospects nearly every year just weakens the first team. Sales of the good signings  are paying for the ones that don’t work out it’s very 2 steps forward 3 steps back .

we never really try to build a good team out of any decent players we aquire  we buy potential but we don’t get the benefit of the potential on the field ..

Football is getting totally broken atm look at the Isak situation at Newcastle it’s getting to the stage that soon the buying club will dictate how much they pay for the player say for example they only offered 70 m for isak then he strikes and only wants Liverpool .. what they gonna do ?? 

Players very, very rarely stick around at clubs which are beneath their level. It's neither recent nor exclusive to Saints. You can complain about selling MF if you like but we only bought him in the first place because we sold Lavia and Livramento.

[OldNick]

48 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Players very, very rarely stick around at clubs which are beneath their level. It's neither recent nor exclusive to Saints. You can complain about selling MF if you like but we only bought him in the first place because we sold Lavia and Livramento.

Of course we also bought him with the view of selling him for a large profit, not to just play him for the rest of his career

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Of course we also bought him with the view of selling him for a large profit, not to just play him for the rest of his career

Lol, no one is expecting him to stay for he whole career...

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Players very, very rarely stick around at clubs which are beneath their level. It's neither recent nor exclusive to Saints. You can complain about selling MF if you like but we only bought him in the first place because we sold Lavia and Livramento.

Not sure why lavia and livramento are related to us buying mf they where sold when we went down and he was purchased back in the premiership ..

that aside I don’t see what’s to celebrate with getting the odd fernandes or lavia you make 30-40 million on we lose most of that by signing your bbds and Charlie Taylor’s anyway and it’s obviously making us weaker which is why we keep getting relegated 

I know it’s hard to compete but this profit focus of ours is getting us nowhere 

Edited August 15 by pimpin4rizeal

[Jimmy_D]

4 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not sure why lavia and livramento are related to us buying mf they where sold when we went down and he was purchased back in the premiership ..

that aside I don’t see what’s to celebrate with getting the odd fernandes or lavia you make 30-40 million on we lose most of that by signing your bbds and Charlie Taylor’s anyway and it’s obviously making us weaker which is why we keep getting relegated 

I know it’s hard to compete but this profit focus of ours is getting us nowhere 

The club has never had more money being put into it.

It’s been recruitment and replacing players that have left (and the luck needed for that) where it hasn’t worked so well the last few years.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not sure why lavia and livramento are related to us buying mf they where sold when we went down and he was purchased back in the premiership ..

You can't just forget money from a year ago because you want to spend more. It doesn't work like that.

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

that aside I don’t see what’s to celebrate with getting the odd fernandes or lavia you make 30-40 million on we lose most of that by signing your bbds and Charlie Taylor’s anyway and it’s obviously making us weaker which is why we keep getting relegated 

Nobody is celebrating selling players. If we did stop making a profit on the likes of Lavia, that wouldn't stop us from signing substandard players. We've been relegated twice because we've recruited poorly and the odds are now heavily stacked against us with regards to finances and PSR. The majority of the ground work was done by the Gao takeover and his complete lack of investment.

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

You can't just forget money from a year ago because you want to spend more. It doesn't work like that.

Nobody is celebrating selling players. If we did stop making a profit on the likes of Lavia, that wouldn't stop us from signing substandard players. We've been relegated twice because we've recruited poorly and the odds are now heavily stacked against us with regards to finances and PSR. The majority of the ground work was done by the Gao takeover and his complete lack of investment.

If we are selling our very best players with a view to using that money to actually strengthen the first team .I would be fine with that . The way we do it though is just dipping streight back into the bargain bucket it’s not increasing the quality of player we buy 

That guy in the fan forum asked the question of if we sell fernandes can we at least buy someone good for 30 million .. this got dismissed but in general he’s got a point if  it increases the quality we can buy ok then ..

we operate like someone who just won 100 pound on a ten pound scratch card .. right let’s and go and buy another ten scratch cards 

[Lighthouse]

36 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

If we are selling our very best players with a view to using that money to actually strengthen the first team .I would be fine with that . The way we do it though is just dipping streight back into the bargain bucket it’s not increasing the quality of player we buy 

That guy in the fan forum asked the question of if we sell fernandes can we at least buy someone good for 30 million .. this got dismissed but in general he’s got a point if  it increases the quality we can buy ok then ..

we operate like someone who just won 100 pound on a ten pound scratch card .. right let’s and go and buy another ten scratch cards 

Which tree do you think Downes, THB, Quarshie, Stewart and the rest of one of the best squads in the Championship grew on? We clearly didn’t get recruitment right in the PL but there’s no doubt we’re spending money trying to improve the first team.

Parkinson my have been hypocritical in pointing out that we brought £30m of talent off the bench but he’s not wrong.

[SuperSAINT]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Which tree do you think Downes, THB, Quarshie, Stewart and the rest of one of the best squads in the Championship grew on? We clearly didn’t get recruitment right in the PL but there’s no doubt we’re spending money trying to improve the first team.

Parkinson my have been hypocritical in pointing out that we brought £30m of talent off the bench but he’s not wrong.

If anything, we’re probably annoyed he didn’t price Fernandes higher.

[derry]

Sunderland hammered WHU 3-0 today. Maybe Fernandes should leave that well alone.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

12 hours ago, derry said:

Sunderland hammered WHU 3-0 today. Maybe Fernandes should leave that well alone.

There's almost three divisions in the premier league - the top six, the middle teams that are premier league perennials and the bottom strugglers. WHU are nowadays one of the strugglers. Problem is, can't see Liverpool, Man City/Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle buying MF, the likes of Brentford & Brighton play our game of buying and selling players for a profit (only they play the game better) so won't want him, so where does he go?

But an agent is looking for a healthy payday so will recommend any premier league team to MF, so if WHU doesn't work out, he'll be pitched to some other team so can't see him staying.

[saint michael]

8 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

There's almost three divisions in the premier league - the top six, the middle teams that are premier league perennials and the bottom strugglers. WHU are nowadays one of the strugglers. Problem is, can't see Liverpool, Man City/Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle buying MF, the likes of Brentford & Brighton play our game of buying and selling players for a profit (only they play the game better) so won't want him, so where does he go?

But an agent is looking for a healthy payday so will recommend any premier league team to MF, so if WHU doesn't work out, he'll be pitched to some other team so can't see him staying.

Like you say there are casms that are growing between prem and others on the pitch but also now off the pitch in player purchases. Brentford about to pay around £43m for Bournemouth guy. Makes the ability for us to keep anyone with potential impossible. Matter of time before someone desperate meets a fair price that saints agree. We then go on the next cycle. Heaven help us if we go up.  Seeing how Sunderland do will be a real barometer. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, saint michael said:

Like you say there are casms that are growing between prem and others on the pitch but also now off the pitch in player purchases. Brentford about to pay around £43m for Bournemouth guy. Makes the ability for us to keep anyone with potential impossible. Matter of time before someone desperate meets a fair price that saints agree. We then go on the next cycle. Heaven help us if we go up.  Seeing how Sunderland do will be a real barometer. 

Our inability to keep hold of Fernandes, isn't due to the chasms between the Prem and others. He will be  going as that's our business model - buy them, develop them, make a profit. 

The minute we try to keep hold of players who are the subject of an offer that they are happy with, and make us a profit, is the minute that those players don't want to come here. The same applies to Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. 

It's an imperfect model which largely gives the power to players and their agents (even when the player is under contract) but there's no other way in reality.

I'm not sure MF will go this window, meaning that we won't recruit a decent CM/AM to replace him. If he does go late, we'll be left scratching around. 

 

[saint michael]

5 hours ago, egg said:

Our inability to keep hold of Fernandes, isn't due to the chasms between the Prem and others. He will be  going as that's our business model - buy them, develop them, make a profit. 

The minute we try to keep hold of players who are the subject of an offer that they are happy with, and make us a profit, is the minute that those players don't want to come here. The same applies to Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. 

It's an imperfect model which largely gives the power to players and their agents (even when the player is under contract) but there's no other way in reality.

I'm not sure MF will go this window, meaning that we won't recruit a decent CM/AM to replace him. If he does go late, we'll be left scratching around. 

 

I recognise that it’s the business model. I believe that when it first started many years ago having a decent team that could be competitive was also part of the business model.

I don’t believe it can be anymore even if they wanted it to. Increased cost of recruiting/ replacing, and as you say the self employed nature of footballers with no affinity to any club and driven by their own agenda is here to stay and getting worse. 
 

if you look at Bournemouth Brentford and Brighton they are already on that slippery slope. A few mistakes and they hit the same slope we are on, with no getting back. Wolves have already started on it 
 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:48 by saint michael

[die Mannyschaft]

5 hours ago, egg said:

Our inability to keep hold of Fernandes, isn't due to the chasms between the Prem and others. He will be  going as that's our business model - buy them, develop them, make a profit. 

The minute we try to keep hold of players who are the subject of an offer that they are happy with, and make us a profit, is the minute that those players don't want to come here. The same applies to Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford. 

It's an imperfect model which largely gives the power to players and their agents (even when the player is under contract) but there's no other way in reality.

I'm not sure MF will go this window, meaning that we won't recruit a decent CM/AM to replace him. If he does go late, we'll be left scratching around. 

 

If players the club want to sell to buy then agree it will be too late to get any experienced players to help a promotion push. The high price tags are an odd approach. How fo other teams get 6,7,8,9,12 players in??