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12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I know it's incredibly unlikely but just imagine if we lined up with 

New GK 

New RB THB Edwards Wellington 

Charles Downes 

Dibling Fernandes Edozie 

Stewart/New Striker 

 

We can dream.

 

Honestly, it's only Fernandes I think that will go from that. Dibling is not going to get the money we want because of his issues - there are big red flags and the main team that ignores those red flags and will have the money to spend is Chelsea, and they've been burnt by him already.

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Could do with Ramsdale going soonest, and Bedbarek (assuming he is off also)

That would be £25-30m more in transfers, plus significant wages off the books 

That's one of the main things this Summer, getting rid of those big wages. Means we'll be in a pucker position with PSR as well.

Posted
17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

lets cook!!

That's a better team than last season for my money if we get the RB and striker signings correct. If we also managed to shift Ramsdale, ABK, Bednarek, maybe Armstrong then that's potentially over 60 million including Sulemana and Onuachu. I'm not saying that's what we will do at all but if we did it would be the best chance we had of returning to the prem and then having a better chance of survival. 

Posted
Just now, hypochondriac said:

That's a better team than last season for my money if we get the RB and striker signings correct. If we also managed to shift Ramsdale, ABK, Bednarek, maybe Armstrong then that's potentially over 60 million including Sulemana and Onuachu. I'm not saying that's what we will do at all but if we did it would be the best chance we had of returning to the prem and then having a better chance of survival. 

Archer will be decent in the championship and Bree is solid. I think Suga is shit but he might be alright in the championship, difficult to tell but hopefully he'll leave. I agree though a decent team, expect Dibling and Fernandes to go mind but for big money, the money for Sully and TP is a nice bonus. GK has to be a priority though, Bazunu is pony and McCarthy not the answer. 

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Posted
28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I know it's incredibly unlikely but just imagine if we lined up with 

New GK 

New RB THB Edwards Wellington 

Charles Downes 

Dibling Fernandes Edozie 

Stewart/New Striker 

 

We can dream.

 

No Quarshie? YHBTI

Posted

I do wonder if the bonus of getting nearly £25 million for Tall Paul and Kamaldeen means there is a feint hope we can keep someone who looked nailed on to leave. Fernandes would be the ideal pick but Dibling or THB even the more likely? 

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If we are looking at signing a right back it must mean either Sugawara or Bree is leaving. My guess would be Sugawara for a club in Italy.  

Bednarek is also off by all accounts and you would also hope that we can get rid of ABK to some lower end Bundesliga team. 

I think Aribo will also be off with just a year left on his contract - probably to one of the big Turkish clubs - for a last big payday.

Ramsdale has to go with his wages - but I'd rather we just sold him than sent him on loan somewhere.  Once Newcastle buy Trafford or someone else and Villa sell Martinez I think we will see the goalkeeper dominoes fall quite quickly and Ramsdale will be gone.

Part of our transfer strategy should be buying the best players from the other Championship clubs (we already have 2 in Charles and Edwards).  Signing players like Kesler-Hayden, Johansson, Rudoni, Lewis O'Brien and Ben Sheaf (only has a year left on his contract at Coventry), Maja (same at WBA) is a double hit really.

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4 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I do wonder if the bonus of getting nearly £25 million for Tall Paul and Kamaldeen means there is a feint hope we can keep someone who looked nailed on to leave. Fernandes would be the ideal pick but Dibling or THB even the more likely? 

Been a few hints from Solak and club media that they are attempting something with Rambo and Fernandes, but will be a slim chance and would have to be very 'creative'.  Dibling most likely to stay of those with an obviously higher ceiling, but money talks.  I think it's going to be like last time with Ward-Prowse, with the 'right' offers coming in late in the window when the Prem clubs start panicking.  The two departures so far suggests Spors and Solak will at least play hard ball on fees.

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Rebel said:

If we are looking at signing a right back it must mean either Sugawara or Bree is leaving. My guess would be Sugawara for a club in Italy.  

Bednarek is also off by all accounts and you would also hope that we can get rid of ABK to some lower end Bundesliga team. 

I think Aribo will also be off with just a year left on his contract - probably to one of the big Turkish clubs - for a last big payday.

Ramsdale has to go with his wages - but I'd rather we just sold him than sent him on loan somewhere.  Once Newcastle buy Trafford or someone else and Villa sell Martinez I think we will see the goalkeeper dominoes fall quite quickly and Ramsdale will be gone.

Part of our transfer strategy should be buying the best players from the other Championship clubs (we already have 2 in Charles and Edwards).  Signing players like Kesler-Hayden, Johansson, Rudoni, Lewis O'Brien and Ben Sheaf (only has a year left on his contract at Coventry), Maja (same at WBA) is a double hit really.

I’m not sure we are looking at RBs though are we - have there been any links? We showed no interest at all in Aarons who’s just gone to Rangers on loan, would have been affordable and who we (Martin) wanted last summer. I think the club probably think we’re fine in that area for Champ level and I’d put money on either Sugawara or Bree starting the season there. 

With Ramsdale, he’ll obviously go which is a shame, but in the season just gone he was often the difference between just getting beaten every week, and some proper, goal-avalanche humiliations. For that reason I wish him all the best and if he goes, I hope it’s to a decent side this time and he doesn’t have to get battered every week in yet another relegation scrap, as he’s now been relegated three times and he’s better than that. 

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Posted
Just now, Midfield_General said:

I’m not sure we are looking at RBs though are we - have there been any links? We showed no interest at all in Aaron’s who’s just gone to Rangers on loan, would have been affordable and who we (Martin) wanted last summer. I think the club probably think we’re fine in that area for Champ level and I’d put money on either Sugawara or Bree starting the season there. 

With Ramsdale, he’ll obviously go which is a shame, but in the season just gone he was often the difference between just getting beaten every week, and some proper, goal-avalanche humiliations. For that reason I wish him all the best and if he goes, I hope it’s to a decent side this time and he doesn’t have to get battered every week in yet another relegation scrap, as he’s now been relegated three times and he’s better than that. 

We’ve been linked with 3-4 right-backs I think 

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Posted
On 1/19/2023 at 12:39 PM, ally_uk said:

Are we In for Onuachu?

I mentioned him numerous times previously would be a good signing 👍  fair play if we are 👏 

 

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

Didn't rate Onuachu or Sulemana 

Good but of business to shift both.

Bella Kotchap next please! 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. 😉

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I’m not sure we are looking at RBs though are we - have there been any links? We showed no interest at all in Aaron’s who’s just gone to Rangers on loan, would have been affordable and who we (Martin) wanted last summer. I think the club probably think we’re fine in that area for Champ level and I’d put money on either Sugawara or Bree starting the season there. 

With Ramsdale, he’ll obviously go which is a shame, but in the season just gone he was often the difference between just getting beaten every week, and some proper, goal-avalanche humiliations. For that reason I wish him all the best and if he goes, I hope it’s to a decent side this time and he doesn’t have to get battered every week in yet another relegation scrap, as he’s now been relegated three times and he’s better than that. 

Havent we been linked to the Scottish youngster with one cap from abroad? 

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Bye Paul. You were overrated, over priced and underwhelming from day one. I would’ve taken a fiver for him.

You’d hope that Spora has spent long enough at the club to know that 75% of them aren’t good enough, therefore we need a turnover of players.

It would also be nice to see us go for players that are already established rather than untried teenagers.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Appy said:

We’ve been linked with 3-4 right-backs I think 

 

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Havent we been linked to the Scottish youngster with one cap from abroad? 

Oh right - apols, I stand corrected, I’ve missed that. Any names?

Edit: Found it. Max Johnston. 

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31 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

 

Oh right - apols, I’ve missed that. Any names?

Edit: Found it. Max Johnston. 

Kayne Kesler-Hayden too.  On loan from Villa to Preston last season, did well, won the player of the year trophy and Villa want to sell him.  Us and 'Boro rumoured to be interested.  I'd imagine a new RB will depend on shifting Sugawara or Bree though.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Kayne Kesler-Hayden too.  On loan from Villa to Preston last season, did well, won the player of the year trophy and Villa want to sell him.  Us and 'Boro rumoured to be interested.  I'd imagine a new RB will depend on shifting Sugawara or Bree though.

Nice one cheers

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Am I the only one who isn’t bothered about Dibling. Obviously the Kid is very good but, having watched him half-arsing and skulking his way around the pitch for half a season, the thought of him sulking his way through a championship campaign becomes highly likely. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

The two departures so far suggests Spors and Solak will at least play hard ball on fees.

Well to be fair the club did that last time we were relegated so I'm pretty confident of it happening again. I think the days of Southampton rolling over to be tickled on the tummy by a big club are over, at least for now.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Kayne Kesler-Hayden too.  On loan from Villa to Preston last season, did well, won the player of the year trophy and Villa want to sell him.  Us and 'Boro rumoured to be interested.  I'd imagine a new RB will depend on shifting Sugawara or Bree though.

and some American player called Freeman 

but wasn't it one of the three positions that came out of the Solak interview as one we had budgeted to spend on before selling players

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Posted
Just now, Rebel said:

and some American player called Freeman 

but wasn't it one of the three positions that came out of the Solak interview as one we had budgeted to spend on before selling players

Yeah, I left out Freeman cos that seemed a bit tenuous but you're right, we have been linked.

Solak said we were going to sign a striker, creative midfielder and CB.  Centre back was Quarshie so that leaves the striker and creative midfielder left to do.

Posted
1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

The two departures so far suggests Spors and Solak will at least play hard ball on fees.

Dragan Solak said in his interview with the Echo/BBC that Rasmus Ankerson is dealing with outgoing players. Spors is overseeing incomings.

Posted
Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Dragan Solak said in his interview with the Echo/BBC that Rasmus Ankerson is dealing with outgoing players. Spors is overseeing incomings.

A case of 'you built this mess, now clean it up'.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

A case of 'you built this mess, now clean it up'.

To be fair to Ankersen, he has got some good outgoing prices. £58m for Lavia for example.

He messed up the incomings!

Posted
25 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Well to be fair the club did that last time we were relegated so I'm pretty confident of it happening again. I think the days of Southampton rolling over to be tickled on the tummy by a big club are over, at least for now.

When have we ever done that? I can only ever remember us getting decent fees, selling our better players to the top sides.

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Posted
2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I know it's incredibly unlikely but just imagine if we lined up with 

New GK 

New RB THB Edwards Wellington 

Charles Downes 

Dibling Fernandes Edozie 

Stewart/New Striker 

 

We can dream.

 

Why does everyone suddenly believe Stewart is going to be heavily involved this season? The guy is crocked.

Adam Armstrong seems to be surplus to requirements with a lot of fans too, despite 24 goals and 13 assists in his last Championship season with Saints.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Why does everyone suddenly believe Stewart is going to be heavily involved this season? The guy is crocked.

Adam Armstrong seems to be surplus to requirements with a lot of fans too, despite 24 goals and 13 assists in his last Championship season with Saints.

Sounds like we will bring in another striker but Stewart has played 8 games in a row without injury and we have a full pre season to come, it’s hoped he can play a part but I think he will be 2nd choice for that main striker role.

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36 minutes ago, Costa del Solent said:

Am I the only one who isn’t bothered about Dibling. Obviously the Kid is very good but, having watched him half-arsing and skulking his way around the pitch for half a season, the thought of him sulking his way through a championship campaign becomes highly likely. 

He never tackles, and he hardly runs apart from when he's got the ball - I'd be happy to sell him if it means we can keep Ramsdale and Fernandes.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Why does everyone suddenly believe Stewart is going to be heavily involved this season? The guy is crocked.

He is not 'crocked'. He played in 8 games after his return in April/May. 

Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Why does everyone suddenly believe Stewart is going to be heavily involved this season? The guy is crocked.

Adam Armstrong seems to be surplus to requirements with a lot of fans too, despite 24 goals and 13 assists in his last Championship season with Saints.

On Stewart, it's a combination of not thinking any club in their right mind would take him and, if fit (I know), him being the best all rounder in that position we currently have. So, if he's fit (I know) he's in line for minutes, as it stands (until it can't stand and limps off).

On Armstrong, everyone will be disappointed with his PL seasons. That, and him going out on a not successful loan spell at raise questions. For me, if he still shows the desire from the last Championship season, he'll work his way into getting minutes. Probably not as a sole forward though, which doesn't work as much as he might want to play there.

 

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6 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Why does everyone suddenly believe Stewart is going to be heavily involved this season? The guy is crocked.

Adam Armstrong seems to be surplus to requirements with a lot of fans too, despite 24 goals and 13 assists in his last Championship season with Saints.

The comparison of the two players, based purely on "time spent at medical" should be at least one reason to prefer to hold onto Armstrong. The guy is almost always available and always gives his all.

I appreciate the numerous arguments others have made for him to go, but I can't see him going anywhere other than to another Champ team because that's his level. And likely the only people to afford him will be in direct competition with us. So it just doesn't seem worth it to me.

He's about as reliable at this level as you can get, so if we're keen to offload I just can't agree that it should be this summer. I don't care for the "motivation" argument myself, I think he'd give it all regardless.

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14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is not 'crocked'. He played in 8 games after his return in April/May. 

And averaged less than 32 minutes per game in said games.

He has played in 15 games in two years. He's not the answer

Posted
2 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

And averaged less than 32 minutes per game in said games.

He has played in 15 games in two years. He's not the answer

I think the club agree, as they are trying to sign a new striker. Stewart will be on the bench and if he can stay fit (big if), then he will be a useful squad player. Nobody is going to sign him this summer so we might as well see how it goes.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

He has played in 15 games in two years. He's not the answer

That's more than Danny Ings managed in his entire Liverpool career prior to joining us. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Costa del Solent said:

Am I the only one who isn’t bothered about Dibling. Obviously the Kid is very good but, having watched him half-arsing and skulking his way around the pitch for half a season, the thought of him sulking his way through a championship campaign becomes highly likely. 

Dibling is a rare talent and has to be managed correctly. He is a shy individual who doesn't gravitate towards the bright lights. He was absolutely miserable during his time at Chelsea. If we look after this lad properly Saints will benefit massively and anyone that doesn't see this needs a reality check. I really hope we do not sell him and to be honest he will only go if the price is right and more importantly he wants to leave, and i don't believe he wants to go anywhere.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

Been a few hints from Solak and club media that they are attempting something with Rambo and Fernandes, but will be a slim chance and would have to be very 'creative'.  Dibling most likely to stay of those with an obviously higher ceiling, but money talks.  I think it's going to be like last time with Ward-Prowse, with the 'right' offers coming in late in the window when the Prem clubs start panicking.  The two departures so far suggests Spors and Solak will at least play hard ball on fees.

Solak doesn’t have to be creative at all to keep any of his players that are under contract.  Just don’t sell them.

I think Ramsdale will leave, really hoping Fernandes stays.

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12 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Dibling is a rare talent and has to be managed correctly. He is a shy individual who doesn't gravitate towards the bright lights. He was absolutely miserable during his time at Chelsea. If we look after this lad properly Saints will benefit massively and anyone that doesn't see this needs a reality check. I really hope we do not sell him and to be honest he will only go if the price is right and more importantly he wants to leave, and i don't believe he wants to go anywhere.

Wouldn't he sign a new Saints contract if that was true?

Posted
47 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Sounds like we will bring in another striker but Stewart has played 8 games in a row without injury and we have a full pre season to come, it’s hoped he can play a part but I think he will be 2nd choice for that main striker role.

Exactly. It's also clear that if he can stay fit that the club intend to use him a lot this year. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Wouldn't he sign a new Saints contract if that was true?

Did he like some spurs stuff on instagram too when linked to them? We’ve been trying all season to get him to sign and he hasn’t. My concern is does next season at championship level do anything to increase his transfer value, not sure it will. Plus he will have 1 year left next summer. If he won’t commit we probably need to sell this summer to maximise the benefit. Sad really.

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3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Did he like some spurs stuff on instagram too when linked to them? We’ve been trying all season to get him to sign and he hasn’t. My concern is does next season at championship level do anything to increase his transfer value, not sure it will. Plus he will have 1 year left next summer. If he won’t commit we probably need to sell this summer to maximise the benefit. Sad really.

He doesn't have a choice with the built in extension clause, it's baked into his current deal that we reserve the right to execute a 1 year extension whenever we want. There's nothing stopping us doing that, he can't reject that.

My guess is that the club are trying to negotiate an entirely new deal, but we do still have that 1 year extension up our sleeve if he doesn't which we can execute at any point and still retain value on him.

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

When have we ever done that? I can only ever remember us getting decent fees, selling our better players to the top sides.

Well, we HAD to do it admittedly when we were in the mire financially but if you go back to Guy Askham's time we were regularly done over and I'm not convinced we got the best deals we could when Chairman Gao kept his money in his pocket. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Rebel said:

and some American player called Freeman 

but wasn't it one of the three positions that came out of the Solak interview as one we had budgeted to spend on before selling players

In his interview he said a defender, a striker and a creative midfielder were the three positions that had been signed off to recruit without needing to sell first. But then in the same breath he said that the defender is Quarshie. So if we are looking at an RB too I think we'll need to shift Suga or Bree first - most likely Suga I would have thought. 

 

But Solak revealed he authorised Spors to spend in three key areas, before needing to wait for player sales to fund more potential incomings.
 
"We will have to try to find new homes for a number of our players. We have to size down to maybe 25 or 26 players," explained Solak.
 
"We are already discussing the potential of selling players, but Johannes has three positions in which he told us we need to buy immediately.
 
"We gave him this approval and the budget to buy these before we need to sell anything, and the first addition is a defender, Joshua Quarshie.
 
"He's now working on a striker that he wants no matter what, that should come before we sell anybody, and we are working on a creative midfielder. 
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51 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

I think the club agree, as they are trying to sign a new striker. Stewart will be on the bench and if he can stay fit (big if), then he will be a useful squad player. Nobody is going to sign him this summer so we might as well see how it goes.

Yeah I get that and agree with you.

However, that wasn't my original point. It was how can some of our fanbase believe he should be in the first 11 over Armstrong, who has already proved his ability with us in the Championship.

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Solak doesn’t have to be creative at all to keep any of his players that are under contract.  Just don’t sell them.

I think Ramsdale will leave, really hoping Fernandes stays.

Yeah I know, but that's not modern football, most of the power is vested with the players and their agents, likes of Lallana and Van Dijk sagas taught us that years ago.  But, both Ramsdale and Fernandes seem to have some personal character and have some affinity with the club beyond lip service.  My guess is that they'll see what offers come in right up to the close of the window.  Not impossible that either might prefer a rejuvenating season with Saints tearing up the Champs, than a relegation battle in the Prem, per se, but would be unusual and require dice to fall in favour.  

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

When have we ever done that? I can only ever remember us getting decent fees, selling our better players to the top sides.

The Bale / Forecast deal fiasco is the only one that really springs to mind, where we wrote off part of the overall value of the Bale deal in order to get more up front quicker because we were skint, and were somehow bullshitted into accepting the world's biggest knobhead and most inept goalkeeper as some sort of makeweight as part of that. But we were so utterly screwed financially at that point that we basically had no leverage whatsoever and were just trying to stay afloat, and Levy saw us coming and fucked us, gleefully getting rid of an awful, awful player while dressing it up as added value. 

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